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REALLY...here we are trying to decide if Michael was clothed or had a catheter or is they took death photos, or if the kids watched or if there was a phone or where the doctor stood....REALLY???
Aren't we here because we are beLIEvers that Michael is ALIVE???  We are investigating.  Correct.  Investigating what he did and why to pull this off.  NOT if he died with pants on or not...and all the rest.  That means that we do NOT believe.  I wonder things like if they say he was dead with his eyes open and the amb. pics are closed...then..PROOF again of hoax.  Proof of lies. Lies in the eyes or the pics. Lies.  Hoax. But, we get lost in the unbelievers and scrutinize everything in the "hearing" that we know is a "show".  I believe it is a room that is a SET.  Notice big new isn't covering it!!  ABC, CBS,NBC...where is it???  It's tabloid!  It's a show.  It's Michael and the most famous person ever next to Jesus, creating the biggest show ever to get his point across.  What and which point is what we speculate on.  I think it really is showing us..."REALLY, see, you all believed what you saw again, what I created to wake you up to what they've done to me for 40 years".  It's like faith.  Like believing in God.  You can't see them, but you believe.  We can believe what the world does or believe what Michael has been giving to us to prove otherwise.  I can't say I believe he'll come back one day, but I,000% believe that he is alive and this is all a show and we are his beLIEvers :)  It's not about if he was caught naked in a pic dead.  THAT too is Michael.  Truly SHOCK value :))
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naked? why didn't he put some clothes on ?
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I don't think much of Rolling Stone where Michael is concerned. They reported that he was laying at the hospital with a fake nose that was removable.  :roll:
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Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"


In 2005 pictures were taken of Micheal's body, including his genitals. Testimony was given describing his body...incorrectly by the accuser.

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the pictures were taken in 93
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Quote from: "fordtocarr"
REALLY...here we are trying to decide if Michael was clothed or had a catheter or is they took death photos, or if the kids watched or if there was a phone or where the doctor stood....REALLY???
Aren't we here because we are beLIEvers that Michael is ALIVE???  We are investigating.  Correct.  Investigating what he did and why to pull this off.  NOT if he died with pants on or not...and all the rest.  That means that we do NOT believe.

No, I believe Michael is alive and am pointing out the inconsistencies between the AR, statements made to the police, and current testimony, in an effort to show that this is all an illusion; a hoax; scripted etc etc.

This is especially for those who seem to be losing hope. It is as if this finally enter the court, which would be "a final phase" and people forget everything we have learned about all of this. I had hoped that by showing that so many things are not adding up, that those who are saddened, would realize that nothing has changed, our discoveries remain the same "No Matter What Happens" (~ TS)
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Bodyguard: Jackson doc said to put vials in bag

By ANTHONY McCARTNEY AP Entertainment Writer
Posted: 01/05/2011 12:35:42 AM PST

LOS ANGELES—A bodyguard testified Wednesday that the doctor charged in Michael Jackson's death grabbed a handful of vials and ordered him to put them in a bag before telling him to call 911 during frantic efforts to revive the King of Pop.
Alberto Alvarez was the first security guard to reach the bedroom where prosecutors say Dr. Conrad Murray administered a fatal dose of the powerful anesthetic propofol to Jackson on June 25, 2009.

He said he was frozen at the sight of Jackson on the bed with his eyes and mouth open. He said he saw Murray place vials in a plastic bag that he then gave to Alvarez to put in a canvas sack.

"He just grabbed a handful of bottles, or vials, and he instructed me to put them in a bag,"

the tearful Alvarez testified.
Murray also told him to place an intravenous bag into another sack. the bodyguard said.

"Is it true that 911 had not been called yet?" Deputy District Attorney David Walgren asked.

"That's true," Alvarez replied.

The bodyguard said he asked Murray what had happened to Jackson, and the doctor replied, "'He had a reaction, he had a bad reaction.' That's all he said."

At one point Jackson's children Paris and Prince walked into the room.

"Paris screamed, 'Daddy!' and she started to cry," the witness said. "Dr. Murray said, 'Get them out. Don't let them see him like this.'"

Alvarez's voice choked as he described Paris crying and he took a moment to compose himself.

"I said, 'Children, don't worry, we'll take care of this.' And I escorted them out and left the door ajar," Alvarez said.

After collecting everything and bagging it, Alvarez said Murray told him to call 911. The prosecutor then played a recording of the call.

When an operator said to transfer Jackson to the floor, Alvarez said, he grabbed Jackson's legs and Murray grabbed his upper body. He said at that point he noticed an IV in Jackson's leg and it had to be removed. Alvarez also noticed that Jackson had a urinary catheter.
Alvarez said Murray then asked him to give Jackson chest compression while Murray did mouth-to-mouth resuscitation.

"Did it appear he was breathing," Walgren asked.

"No sir," Alvarez said.

"His eyes and mouth were open?" the prosecutor asked.

"Yes," the witness said.

"Did he seem to be alive or dead?" Walgren asked.

"Dead, sir," Alvarez said.

The testimony could provide key corroboration to the prosecutors' argument that Murray's actions demonstrated "an extreme deviation from the standard of care" by administering propofol without the proper equipment, and also concealing it and botching efforts to resuscitate the singer.

Walgren said Tuesday in his opening statement that Murray waited as long as 21 minutes before paramedics were called. Jackson died before help was summoned, the prosecutor said.

Murray was providing Jackson propofol roughly six times a week since being hired as the singer's personal physician in May 2009, Walgren said.

Murray, a Houston cardiologist, has pleaded not guilty, and his attorneys have contended he did not give Jackson anything that should have killed the singer.

At the end of the preliminary hearing, which was expected to go into next week, a judge will rule whether there is enough evidence for Murray to stand trial on an involuntary manslaughter charge in the pop star's death. He could face up to four years in prison if convicted.

The hearing was expected to include testimony from police, coroner's officials and forensic experts who will describe the mix of sedatives found in Jackson's system.

Preliminary hearings have a lower burden of proof than trials, and defense attorneys rarely present a case. Murray's attorney, Ed Chernoff, did not make an opening statement.

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AP Special Correspondent Linda Deutsch contributed to this story.


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Oh lol, Mike's penis always seems to be an excellent way to distract people  :lol:

I think people mentioned that the size of his penis was mentioned in the AR. I checked (for investigation reasons of course 8-) ) and sorry guys, but those 550 grams were refering to his bladder. I also don't think there are pictures of a dead MJ naked on the floor, simply because there has never been a dead MJ. The reference to his genitals may have been made to link it to the 1993 accusations, but I really think that's it and I think we all should focus on the rest of the info.

On a side note and off-topic: I just downloaded the AR again from the TMZ website and I was checking the drwings of the body and it showed something on the back of the head. I don't recall seeing that before and I am sure I checked it a few times, because I was looking for the Pepsi burn. I don't think it says scar, but I really can't read what is written there. Could someone try to decipher that?
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"At one point Jackson's children Paris and Prince walked into the room.

"Paris screamed, 'Daddy!' and she started to cry," the witness said. "Dr. Murray said, 'Get them out. Don't let them see him like this.'" "


Interesting how this statement is almost verbatim to what Joe Esposito (sp?) said in regards to LMP when she walked in the bathroom where Elvis had collapsed.
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I still don't get why Alvarez  did what Murray INSTRUCTED him to do. Did he work for Murray or for M Jackson? Wasn't it his responsibility to ensure the safety of his boss?
And IF Murray goes to trial, shouldn;t the bodyguard also me looked at? He is an accomplice, if he helped him dispose of evidence before calling 911? Isn;t he?
This is such a circus..it makes my head spin.

I've been listening to the USTREAM fans talking for the last few hours... :roll:  MY GOD! There doesn't seem to much brain activity in some of them..I told them about some of the weird points in this case..without telling I'm a Believer ( the leach us over there) ...and they just pass right by them..say yes, it's strange...and then go on talking about what they would do to Murray. It;'s insane...
Any of you over there on chat?
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Even after all this time
The sun never says to the earth,
"You owe Me."

Look what happens with
A love like that,
It lights the Whole Sky.

i'm listening to the justiceforMj stream and they said that Mj was blue when the paramedic arrive....he don't look blue on the ambulance pic...
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Quote from: "katooooooo"
i'm listening to the justiceforMj stream and they said that Mj was blue when the paramedic arrive....he don't look blue on the ambulance pic...

You know that the ambulance pic is fake. Don´t you?
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Quote from: "katooooooo"
i'm listening to the justiceforMj stream and they said that Mj was blue when the paramedic arrive....he don't look blue on the ambulance pic...
Are you supposed to turn blue within HOURS after passing? Shouldn;t at least 1 day pass?
I saw my grandfather dead after 2 days and he was JUST starting to turn blue...
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Even after all this time
The sun never says to the earth,
"You owe Me."

Look what happens with
A love like that,
It lights the Whole Sky.

Quote from: "Lady J"
Quote from: "katooooooo"
i'm listening to the justiceforMj stream and they said that Mj was blue when the paramedic arrive....he don't look blue on the ambulance pic...

You know that the ambulance pic is fake. Don´t you?

lolllllllllll whhhhhhhhhat? fake ;) just kidding for sure i know.
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Quote from: "Truth_or_Dare"
Quote from: "katooooooo"
i'm listening to the justiceforMj stream and they said that Mj was blue when the paramedic arrive....he don't look blue on the ambulance pic...
Are you supposed to turn blue within HOURS after passing? Shouldn;t at least 1 day pass?
I saw my grandfather dead after 2 days and he was JUST starting to turn blue...

it's what i think too that's why i don't believe the blue story
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Quote from: "katooooooo"
i'm listening to the justiceforMj stream and they said that Mj was blue when the paramedic arrive....he don't look blue on the ambulance pic...

No.. they said the palms of his hands and the bottom of his feet were blue...   the very early onstage of rigor mortis as the oxygen starts to leave body parts.

They didnt say he was all blue all over.

They said his pupils were fixed and dialated and dry.

That he looked underweight and very pale.
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