Michael Jackson Manslaughter Prelim - 30 Witnesses

[everlastinglove_MJ]

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TMZ has learned more than 2 dozen witnesses will testify at  Dr. Conrad Murray's preliminary hearing in the Michael Jackson manslaughter case.

Sources say the prelim will last roughly 2 weeks and approximately 30 witnesses will be called.

We're told there won't be a "Perry Mason" moment -- instead, prosecutors will lay out their case, piece by piece, to show Dr. Murray acted recklessly by medicating Michael with Propofol and other drugs at his home the day he died.

Sources say the witnesses include various medical experts, as well as 3 LAPD detectives who investigated the case.

And, we're told, prosecutors will present more evidence than in a typical manslaughter case, because the legal theory here is novel -- that a doctor committed a homicide in the treatment of a patient.

Hmm interesting. How are we supposed to read this news? More than 24 witnesses will already testify. Does it mean that 30 witnesses will be added? That's a total of at least 54 witnesses. But what about 70 witnesses what the link says? Will the prosecution team and the defence team each have an equal division of witnesses? I just wonder..

[scorpionchik]

does anybody know the date and time of this prelim? I am gonna go to court this time.

Wow lucky you take a video cam if you can, let us know what you find out.

Be careful though.

 :?

There is NO camera nor cell phones with camera allowed in the court. Every single person, including attorneys, have to pass check up. I haveto see what I can do. If security see me taking photos, they will ask me out of court room. Besides, I am not sure if hearing will be open or closed for the public.
I am also not sure what freakin address the hearing at. There are several courts in Downtown. The Criminal court on Temple st,  there are also courts on Hill street, Main street, also East and West LA courts at different address.  :roll:

[scorpionchik]

Never mind I found it.
January 4th. I'll be there.

LOS ANGELES -- A judge set a preliminary hearing date of January 4th for Dr. Conrad Murray who is charged in the death of Michael Jackson.

Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor scheduled the hearing for Dr. Murray Monday during a brief session in downtown Los Angeles.

Prosecutors will lay out their evidence at the preliminary hearing which will determine whether the 57 year old cardiologist will go to trial.

This is great.  Can't wait to hear back from you.  Will you go the entire two weeks or so?

I don't know,not sure at this moment if I can go all 2 weeks.  

[bec]

Sources say the prelim will last roughly 2 weeks and approximately 30 witnesses will be called.

For reference, Liberian Girl had a cast of 33. 34 if you count Bubbles.

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[MJonmind]

The story only talks about what the prosecution will do, but doesn't mention what the defense will do.
Maybe it will be a "Perry Mason" moment with the defense.
Also I was trying to look up Michael Pastor pic, but I couldn't find it anywhere. When I click it only shows pics
of MJ and CM. If Michael Pastor is the Judge will there be a yellow toy taxi again? One forum elsewhere said
they couldn't find info or pics but said he was Michael E. Pastor. Hmm... :?

[Andrea]

The story only talks about what the prosecution will do, but doesn't mention what the defense will do.
Maybe it will be a "Perry Mason" moment with the defense.
Also I was trying to look up Michael Pastor pic, but I couldn't find it anywhere. When I click it only shows pics
of MJ and CM. If Michael Pastor is the Judge will there be a yellow toy taxi again? One forum elsewhere said
they couldn't find info or pics but said he was Michael E. Pastor. Hmm... :?

Speaking of the judge Mike Pastor...today on TMZ Live Harvey once again mentioned how he's really good friends with the judge and that he has known him for years.  So Harvey has known this guy for years, probably trusts him - Harvey is in the hoax, one could reason that the judge is as well.  Unless the world really is that small.  Anyone who has an important role in the hoax has proven themselves trustworthy I think.  Connect the dots, connect the coincidences...and we have a hoax.

[sophiecestmoi]

And piece by piece.....Michael will be called to testify! Bam!

;-)))))))) OOOOOOOOOOOOooo yes !

No I guess Michael has prepared something very special, we can't imagine yet !

[VeryLittleSusie]

Buckle up!!!

[Sarahli]

The story only talks about what the prosecution will do, but doesn't mention what the defense will do.
Maybe it will be a "Perry Mason" moment with the defense.
Also I was trying to look up Michael Pastor pic, but I couldn't find it anywhere. When I click it only shows pics
of MJ and CM. If Michael Pastor is the Judge will there be a yellow toy taxi again? One forum elsewhere said
they couldn't find info or pics but said he was Michael E. Pastor. Hmm... :?

Speaking of the judge Mike Pastor...today on TMZ Live Harvey once again mentioned how he's really good friends with the judge and that he has known him for years.  So Harvey has known this guy for years, probably trusts him - Harvey is in the hoax, one could reason that the judge is as well.  Unless the world really is that small.  Anyone who has an important role in the hoax has proven themselves trustworthy I think.  Connect the dots, connect the coincidences...and we have a hoax.

Indeed I believe so because the judge is one of these key people. If the judge is not in on it, it would ruin everything imo.

[Serenitys_Dream]

...And what became of the massive investigation of Jackson? After millions of dollars were spent by prosecutors and police departments in two jurisdictions, and after two grand juries questioned close to 200 witnesses, including 30 children who knew Jackson, not a single corroborating witness could be found. (In June 1994, still determined to find even one corroborating witness, three prosecutors and two police detectives flew to Australia to again question Wade Robson, the boy who had acknowledged that he'd slept in the same bed with Jackson. Once again, the boy said that nothing bad had happened.) The sole allegations leveled against Jackson, then, remain those made by one youth, and only after the boy had been give a potent hypnotic drug, leaving him susceptible to the power of suggestion.

For those of you who cant believe people, including the use of children, go to EXTREME lengths to make false allegations heard and believed, you must watch this. A documented real example of a man using a boy to great effect falsely accusing Michael Jackson. I think this is from 1995.

[youtube:2214fe0c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iccs48dFKug[/youtube:2214fe0c]

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[VeryLittleSusie]

Thanks Serenity's! It's a good reminder to all those non-believers who say that Michael's kids wouldn't be able to lie on stage during the memorial (and even about fake vocals on "Breaking News" - hopefully)

[bonita]

Thanks Serenity's! It's a good reminder to all those non-believers who say that Michael's kids wouldn't be able to lie on stage during the memorial (and even about fake vocals on "Breaking News" - hopefully)

VeryLittleSusie, I just want to say that I love your portraits. I think you are very talented.
Kudos!
<3

[~Souza~]

January 4 plus 2 weeks is MLK day, January 18th...

Although this update is shorter than the last one, it’s still too long to post in the replies section of the TIAI Update #1 thread (as I had previously mentioned).  In case anyone has not read TIAI Update #1 yet, here is the link for that: {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.

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2-1. Outline for TIAI Update #2

2-1. Outline for TIAI Update #2
2-2. ALLJACK5ONS Tweet “Revealed” on January 18
2-3. Official Media Story of MJ Death: Impossible!
2-4. Real Murder & Fake Hoax, or Fake Murder & Real Hoax?
2-5. Is TMZ a Counterfeit Hoax Informer?

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2-2. ALLJACK5ONS Tweet “Revealed” on MLK Day

Here is their tweet: “if u don't think our emotion is real, all I can do is pray for you. see truths when they r revealed to you. ur eyes don't lie - media does” {8:38 PM Jan 18th from web; You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.

First of all, we need to understand both the time and the subject context of this tweet.  The date was January 18, 2010—which was of course MLK Day; and indeed they knew what day it was, as can be clearly seen in two earlier tweets that day {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login; You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.  This was also one day after the final Jackson Reality Show, which ended with a visit to Forest Lawn {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.

The tweets both before and after the “revealed” tweet were all on the subject of the Reality Show, and especially the ending about MJ.  Some of the tweets even mention MJ specifically {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login; click “more” at the bottom of the page, until you get to January 18 tweets}.  

So the context of this “revealed” tweet is clearly about MJ.  The next step is to understand that this tweet is in response to hoax believers (“if u don't think our emotion is real”).  Hoaxers have been saying all along, that a huge evidence of the hoax is the lack of tears from the family at the memorial and burial, etc.  Surely, they are not ignorant of this.

And what could they possibly be responding to, other than the hoax—could it be that they were responding to accusations that their emotions were not real, because they don’t care that MJ is dead?  Who would say such a thing?  And even if someone was cold enough to say that, why would they even bother to respond?  Worse yet, why would they respond by saying that the media lies??  Has the media been trying to convince people (falsely), that the Jackson family’s emotions are not real???

Sorry, but the statement about emotions and media lying doesn’t make sense, unless they were referring to the hoax theory.  So this tweet was in response to hoax believers; and believers themselves have recognized this fact, in threads such as this one: “Jacksons address hoax!!” {posted by dirtydiana2009; You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.  Since this is the most direct statement yet, from the family, about hoax believers: this tweet deserves thorough investigation.

The part about their “emotion is real” does not specifically say emotion from MJ dying; it could be emotion from the pain that the media lies have caused, etc (media lies are mentioned in this tweet, MJ death is not mentioned in this tweet).  And in fact, even the hoax itself is painful for MJ (he knows that it has hurt the fans, and that hurts him; also, he wants to return as much or more than his fans want him to return).

Primarily, though, we need to examine the last half of this tweet: “see truths when they r revealed to you. ur eyes don't lie - media does”.  Notice the very clear plural usage: “see truths [plural] when they [plural] are [plural] revealed to you”.  If MJ really were dead, and this is all that they were trying to say, then why the plural?  Why wouldn’t it be “see the truth [MJ is dead] when it is revealed”?

And again, why the reference to the media lying??  If the Jacksons know that MJ is really dead, and this is what they are referring to here, then why wouldn’t they be supporting media “truth” (reports that MJ is dead)??  And why the phrase “ur eyes don’t lie”?  We have never seen any dead body; so “ur eyes don’t lie” can’t possibly mean that our eyes have already seen for ourselves that MJ is really dead.

The only conclusion which makes sense, is that the Jacksons tweet mentioned “truths” about the hoax—and our eyes don’t lie regarding these things.  This also fits the statement about the media lies—the media is not telling the truth about the hoax, they are saying that MJ is dead (but our eyes can see the hoax).

Now let’s take it a step further.  Since this is clearly referring to truths about the hoax: why did they use the word “revealed”?  Why not use some other word, such as “see truths when they r shown to you”?  Or “recognize truths when they r seen by you”?  Or any of several other ways to say it?

Do you suppose that they were entirely ignorant of TIAI Revealed—which was posted nearly a month before 1-18, and Part 1 had about 11,000 views by 1-18?  Also, TIAI Revealed Update #1 was posted one week before 1-18, and had about 15,000 views by 1-18.  Few if any posts on this forum have more views.  If any of the Jacksons were paying any attention whatsoever to the hoax forums, then surely they were already aware of TIAI Revealed, on 1-18.

For the sake of TIAI doubters, let’s say that TIAI is not really MJ’s message.  Don’t you think in that case, the Jacksons would avoid any hint of support for TIAI—and maybe even give hints against it?  Yet instead of that, they use the very word “revealed” in this tweet, the statement which is the clearest statement yet from them about the hoax; and they refer to the things “revealed” as “truths” that “ur eyes” can and should “see”.

Not only did they use the word “revealed”, but they also referred to the media lies—which is one of the main themes in TIAI.  Notice that TIAI Revealed, Part 7, even has the word media in the title: “NWO Powers Control the Mass Media”; and redirect #9 has the title: “9/11 Truth vs Mainstream Media”.

Last but not least: why was this tweet given on January 18, MLK Day?  Do you think that they knew nothing about the MLK connections with the hoax (They Don’t Really Care About Us?)—and do you think they were totally unaware of TIAI Update #1 (with 15,000 views), and the things in there about January 18???

So we have here a clear Jackson statement about the hoax, using the word “revealed”, and referring to media lies—and it was even done on January 18, MLK Day!  Either these things are more TIAI “coincidences” (added to all the previous ones), or else they were giving clues about TIAI.

Well, how much clearer of a clue do you want?  Do they need to spell out the domain for you: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login??  Be assured, that will not happen before MJ comes back (it would be too big of a hint about the hoax).  In fact, don’t be too surprised if they don’t say anything directly even after MJ comes back—surely you can understand why, due to the nature of the subjects involved.

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TS' first words on this board, clue?:

“IN WHAT WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY
AS THE GREATEST DEMONSTRATION FOR FREEDOM ...”

Marlon decided to tweet today after months of silence. Today is 21 days (777) inclusive to January 18.

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The revealed tweet was on January 18. TIAI revealed on 1/18?

Here is more proof that TS is not just linked to TMZ, but to the whole hoax. Let me show you 2 parts from the latest update:

1. Outline

1. Outline
2. Truth Will Prevail
3. Most Recent Predictions
4. Unclaimed Numerology Reward
5. Outthinking the Illuminati
6. Katherine and Randy
7. Bahrain And Michael
8. God Can Protect
9. “His Own Words”
10. Eliza’s Court Case
11. Eleven Thirty

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11. Eleven Thirty

I have titled this post update #6.5 (not update #7), because this is primarily a continuation of update #6.  And yes, it’s also because I said that update #7 will probably be after BAM.  Does this mean that there will still be more updates and/or posts, before update #7 (6.6, 6.7, 6.8, 6.9, 6.95, 6.96, 6.999, etc)?  I won’t say absolutely no, but most likely not.

Repeatedly, I’ve said that I would not do much if any more (posts or redirects); but I kept watching, and I saw a need and wanted to help.  But now, it has come to the point where I would rather say and do no more, than continue causing endless controversy that is not going anywhere.

I will be watching, and if anyone wants to make a serious attempt at the $999 reward: I will certainly either respond to it or else send the money; but they must be serious calculations.  Other than that, I am not obligated to do any redirects or posts; it is my own choice, and no amount of complaints or anything else is going to force me to post again.  If I have been wrong on anything, time will tell.  And if I’ve been right, time will also tell—the truth will prevail.

Instead of doing a whole new post: I may on a rare occasion make a comment or two in a thread that was posted by someone else (and probably redirect to that comment, so people will who are following TIAI will see it).  But redirects will not be daily anymore; those who still don’t accept TIAI/TS probably never will, no matter what I redirect to or whatever I write in a post, so there’ really s no point.

The hoax doesn’t rely only on TS anyway; as many have said, they believed in the hoax before TS ever posted anything.  In fact, don’t you think there is good reason why I didn’t post any new thread—or even make a comment in an existing thread—until more than two months after the “death”?  If I had posted immediately after 6-25-2009, then people could claim that TS is the reason for believing in the hoax; but it did not happen this way, for a good reason.

This update 6.5 (6 + 5 = 11) was posted at 11:30 PM (CA time), on 11-30 (November 30).  Also, a few days ago TIAI redirected to a clock with the hands at 11:30 {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.  What is the significance of this?  As usual, the redirect had more than one meaning.

The Thriller album was released on 11-30 {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}; and Eliza’s case was previously scheduled for 11-30, although it is now rescheduled for 12-14 {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.

Speaking of Thriller, 11:30 (PM) is “close to midnight ... the midnight hour is close at hand”.  So 11:30 also represents near the end (end of the day, or end of the hoax, or end of the world, etc).

And finally, we are now about half way between 2009 and 2012 (“four more years”); and 11:30 is half way between 11:00 and 12:00.  The clock is ticking, and there is no time for unimportant or unkind controversy.  Yes, some things are important and must be discussed—even if we don’t agree; but even then, disagreements should be done respectfully.  It’s all for LOVE!

“And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm .” (Matthew 8:26).  I have said the following more than once before, but people seem to quickly forget it; so I am going to end by repeating this one more time.  Jermaine said: “it’s all going to come out” (and this was in the context of the “airport” slip-up); until it does all come out, keep the faith NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!!

The word thirty is written in italic. I was wondering back then what that meant, but I didn't find anything significant. Now we have 30 witnesses for the prelim. This is not info that came from Sony, this is not info that came from TMZ. This is info from the Murray case. Is it all again a coincidence, or did TS know in advance that there would be 30 witnesses showing up for the prelim?

TMZ also uses 'more than 2 dozen' which is kinda weird, since 2 dozen is only 24. Yet if you add up all the numbers in the article now (besides the date and time) you get 11. Eleven thirty. Call me a nutcase but in my book that again is no coincidence.

Something else I noticed, which could mean just nothing, are the caps used in the article: TSWSA

TS WSA - Warfare Systems Architect?

OK, back reading TS' posts for the gazillionth time... :lol:

Mat 11:30 "For my yoke is easy and my burden is light"

[Serenitys_Dream]

January 4 plus 2 weeks is MLK day, January 18th...

Martin Luther King Day in 2011 is on Monday, the 17th of January.

In the United States, Martin Luther King Day is always observed on the third Monday of January.
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It is 13 days from the start date to the end date, but not including the end date; 14 days if you include the end date.

[~Souza~]

January 4 plus 2 weeks is MLK day, January 18th...

Martin Luther King Day in 2011 is on Monday, the 17th of January.

In the United States, Martin Luther King Day is always observed on the third Monday of January.
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It is 13 days from the start date to the end date, but not including the end date; 14 days if you include the end date.

Oh , I thought it was on the same day every year. I see now that it's not. His birth day was January 15, why not have MLK day on January 15 every year? :?

Nevertheless, it's the same story (besides Marlon's tweets, which will be 20 days then). TMZ did say 'roughly' 2 weeks. MLK connection in this case is getting weaker though due to this fact... :lol: