Live from Bucharest...Does it Mean Anything?

[kalispera]

and on topic?

[bec]

That is on topic.

[MJonmind]

Bec, could you do a screen shot of that particular first sighting of MJ there? Maybe I wasn't seeing the same person in the videos I was watching. Also I've only been following MJ since his death so that may be a factor. Thanks!

[kalispera]

That is on topic.

Liberian Girl asked if it meant something.

[Cully Surroga]

I just can't forget that first impression. It's like seeing someone you know.... and then they don't look familiar. Your brain spots the difference even if cognitively you can't determine any.

Well this is exactly what i felt back then, so i guess we're talking about the same image. I think the broadcast was a few days after the Daily Mirror published the "Michael Jackson's real face" thing.

[Its her]

Every time I hear Behind the Mask and hear the crowd cheering from Michael's Bucharest concert, I wonder...WTH.  Why did they put the Live from Bucharest sound bite from the concert at the beginning and later again in the song?  Has anyone come up with a reasonable answer for why this was done? :?:  

So, I thought about it awhile and I have come to the conclusion that it is possibly a clue.  Could it be that Michael is in Bucharest and putting the Live from Bucharest cheers in is telling us that?  IDK...just a thought.  Anyone have any better ideas or reasons for the Live from Bucharest sounds mixed into this song?  

BTW, I am not one to find clues in every aspect of this roller coaster ride.  OK, back to my padded cell for now. :lol:

Oh, Yeah, it does! This album is positively riddled with all kinds of soundbites from fan memories! I was looking for a place to post this when I saw your question. I thought at first, to cement it firmly in OUR minds, at least, that MJ IS alive, because only HE would have known WHICH and what to sprinkle in, here and there.

Do you think ANYone besides MJ would have even known OF, or thought to throw in some "audience play Hee-Hees" from any concert of his??? NO. Would they have known WHICH one?? NO. Would THEY have had any reason to?

NO.
 :lol:
Now, how many of us knew instantly what it was???

I can't tell you for sure, what MJ might have meant by doing this, but there is more to the puzzle, so come, let us reason, together...Jump in with ideas!

The Bucharest concert DVD was actually the fifth (and bonus) disc included in the white Ultimate Collection Album. I always wondered why THAT concert and not any one of the others. Very very rarely on it, do we ever see his face, unhidden by his tendrils! I had to freeze it to be certain it was him!  This one was of the one broadcast on HBO. This one was the one, which in October 1992, showed everyone with an eye, how massively   :shock: powerful he was, in compelling SEAS of people to show up in person, to sing along with him, breath his air and adore him.

When I SAW all those people, I thought, "omg,  :cry:  :cry: he's the walking dead". It was very disturbing. We know TPTB don't ever share their power with anyone, even a song and dance sweetie-pie.  They may have even let him go with a wink and a stern word, to stay in Europe except, in two months, he would, in America, cause more people EVER in the history of THE SuperBowl, to remain in their seats during the halftime program, and THEN get the cooperation of almost 40 thousand people to flip multi-racial cards up on cue, as part of his Heal the World show display of the World's children. He looked much younger and whiter than he was. When TPTB realized this guy was pushing forty, independantly wealthy and BLACK, (yeah THAT "Michael Jackson"!), it was seen as some subterfuge...and up went evey red flag they had.

After years of recluse, MJ suddenly decided it would be a good thing to give fans some of his personal self and submitted to a major no holds barred Oprah set-up, which only served to bait his enemies' trap for him. His achilles heel: kids. Almost as if scripted and choreographed, the legal allegations began and months later, the Bashir treachery pretty much sandbagged him for good...

You can take or leave my theories--but I believe he was threatened after the '92 concert. Either to tone it down, or cut it off, or they would hurt  :cry: fans at these gatherings, and crush his heart. People would be afraid to love and follow him. Never mind the loss of revenue, MJ would NEVER risk a fan's wellbeing or life. All TPTB  did was piss him off, Royally. I believe he contrived ALL of the juicy, gossipy breaking news and allegations to give himself a HIGHER profile, so the world would be watching if anyone tried anything... We don't really know why he canceled some concerts---even though he's the type to believe the show must go on EVEN IF   you're dead :lol:

Seriously, we've all seen him work when he didn't feel well, or was exhausted, or injured... He gives and gives. And gives. Those lame excuses that he was in rehab...I believe were all for Love, nothing less...

Anyway, IDK; just streaming...Perhaps MJ put the LIVE in Bucharest clue in "Michael", to get us all to look "BACK" and think...

Or, maybe this is where he will do the BAM: LIVE in...We know they have capacity 8-)

This is not the only soundbite from the past on "Michael", but I need to post properly about these on the thread about the music: Enjoying Michael. Let me just say here that the song I Like the Way You Love Me is also on the Ultimate Collection white album, previously unreleased, NOT coincidentally. That is 2 ties, so far to the Ultimate Collection or 2004. What could this mean? :?

[bec]

It's Her, I believe you are very perceptive and I agree that your theory is sound.

Monster :01 very first sound on the track is Thriller :01 very first sound on the track. Do you hear it? Who else knows that? For many of us that sound is ingrained very very deeply in our subconscious. The fans know that. And Michael knows that.

[MJonmind]

I was looking for something else and found this, and I don't know if it helps. It reminds me of
Kenny Ortega's tweets about Captain Hook below.

by mjbusterdion » Tue May 18, 2010 9:03 am

Wow just remembered something at the start of the dangerous bucharest tour unedited version the very last song that he uses before the Intro and he jumps out of the stage is a song called

"here comes the SUN" by the beatles it was always the last song chosen before the concert started just seen it on the DVD..

Here comes the sun, here comes the sun,
and I say it's all right

Little darling, it's been a long cold lonely winter
Little darling, it feels like years since it's been here
Here comes the sun, here comes the sun
and I say it's all right

Little darling, the smiles returning to the faces
Little darling, it seems like years since it's been here
Here comes the sun, here comes the sun
and I say it's all right

Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...
Sun, sun, sun, here it comes...

Little darling, I feel that ice is slowly melting
Little darling, it seems like years since it's been clear
Here comes the sun, here comes the sun,
and I say it's all right
It's all right

Many already know about Kenny Ortega’s tweet: “Smee: Captain, the ice is melting, the sun is out and the flowers are all in bloom Captain Hook: He’s back” {Sep 1st, 2009 via web; You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}. This was so obvious, that he got several questions about it; so only one day later, Kenny said: “... I was quoting text from Peter Pan. Please don’t look for hidden messages. Promise they’re not there. Just fun” {http://twitter.com/KennyOrtegaBlog/status/3706966897}.

[~Souza~]

It's Her, I believe you are very perceptive and I agree that your theory is sound.

Monster :01 very first sound on the track is Thriller :01 very first sound on the track. Do you hear it? Who else knows that? For many of us that sound is ingrained very very deeply in our subconscious. The fans know that. And Michael knows that.

I already thought I heard something familiar in there. Will listen again tomorrow.

[techdiva]

Call me crazy but Michael always looked super weird to me in his close ups from that concert. He was very heavily made up.

You ain't crazy at all. I thought and still think at times that it's not Michael on that stage.

I totally agree with you. It something about the eyes. Also, I get the feeling it's not him. I'd read Sousa and Mo blog of their conversation with Jennifer Batten and she stated that Michael didn't rehearse as much on the Dangerous or History tour as he did with the Bad tour. If you notice Bucharest and Copenhagen concerts his size is different.

[bec]

It's Her, I believe you are very perceptive and I agree that your theory is sound.

Monster :01 very first sound on the track is Thriller :01 very first sound on the track. Do you hear it? Who else knows that? For many of us that sound is ingrained very very deeply in our subconscious. The fans know that. And Michael knows that.

I already thought I heard something familiar in there. Will listen again tomorrow.

You have to listen to the digital version turned up fairly loud. Sounds like the creaking door opening to Thriller at the *very* beginning and then quickly you realize it's not a door creak it's wind blowing.

Breaking News static opening is similar but it's not the exact soundbyte like it is in Monster.

There's so much stuff in this album, I need a note pad while listening to record it all but I get wrapped up in Enjoying Michael.

[Its her]

It's Her, I believe you are very perceptive and I agree that your theory is sound.

Monster :01 very first sound on the track is Thriller :01 very first sound on the track. Do you hear it? Who else knows that? For many of us that sound is ingrained very very deeply in our subconscious. The fans know that. And Michael knows that.

I already thought I heard something familiar in there. Will listen again tomorrow.

You have to listen to the digital version turned up fairly loud. Sounds like the creaking door opening to Thriller at the *very* beginning and then quickly you realize it's not a door creak it's wind blowing.

Breaking News static opening is similar but it's not the exact soundbyte like it is in Monster.

There's so much stuff in this album, I need a note pad while listening to record it all but I get wrapped up in Enjoying Michael.

I DO hear it. It is very faint. But on some subconscious level, the first thing I thought of WAS THRILLER, when I heard Monster begin, so like you say, it IS imprinted in the deep of all our minds! 8-)  :lol:

[looking4truth]

I totally agree with you. It something about the eyes. Also, I get the feeling it's not him. I'd read Sousa and Mo blog of their conversation with Jennifer Batten and she stated that Michael didn't rehearse as much on the Dangerous or History tour as he did with the Bad tour. If you notice Bucharest and Copenhagen concerts his size is different.

Yeah, I agree. I think it's the eyes and body shape. He seems taller in those two tours than in his previous ones.

[mjkate]

I am leaning toward the informal theory that something happened between Bad and Dangerous too. Frank Dileo was also let go and everyone thought that was strange. Also, all the memorial and burial pictures were from that era which have always led many of us believe that there was something more to that than just MJ directing the hoax. And now the live from Bucharest could be trying to give a similar clue. I really wish we could solve this one?? I would be able to sleep at night!

[nefari]

I have about 13 of the History tour concerts on DVD and if you watch each one you notice that in most you have a nice healthy and deliciously filled out Michael and then there are a couple where you suddenly see him come out and his dancing is all off, he's terribly thinner and does not look like the same guy at all and it has always made me go Hmmmm but with the Dangerous era Bucharest concert I see no one but Michael except for the ending with the rocket man switch bit.