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[bec]

If you watch that whole video of TR on memorial day, it was filmed much earlier in the day, TR was not "on his way inside" by any means.

I don't think that video is confirmation of what TR wore to the actual memorial at all.

Tarja, go dig up some archives about hatman. It's all there. Quite convincing evidence we accumulated.

I think we just connected a dot. Hold My Hand is making sense suddenly. I need to go update that thread...

[Sinderella]

I think we just connected a dot. Hold My Hand is making sense suddenly. I need to go update that thread...

Which is what I was trying to do initially.
This talk of the blonde came up due to my other thread about the VMA's and it being linked to the staples through behaviour and other factors which run throughout the hoax.
Some of the things happening now,connect back to those early weeks/months it just took till now to happen.

I am finding the pic of the staples memorial,ariel view of the entire audience.brb

[Tarja]

It's exactly because I know the hatman and blonde analysis I don't know how can people be sure it is Michael disguised as the blonde. The fact that I said it it wasn't because I don't know the situation, on the contrary. No one can be sure of it

[bec]

Well Tarja, no one can be sure of anything in this world except death and taxes.

On a side note, I find this whole thing pretty amusing. Sinder, waiting for that aerial pic. I searched and searched last night and couldn't easily find anything save the one pic I put up. My PC crashed last spring and I lost almost all of my old info. It's all up in the old head, but as far as being able to copy and paste, the pickings are slim.

[Sinderella]

This picture is MASSIVE so you might have to just open it in another window to see the full extent.

To me I see the blonde,a black guy in a fedora,and then hatman,2nd row,center and also to me looks like 'she' is sat directly behind Omer.I don't see another female there,maybe on the other side of the blonde but it isn't clear.
Instead of where's Wally...lets play...where's Teddy

http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=7665

Hatman was present at both memorials.TR was also present at both.
As far as I know..the blonde was only at one-Staples.There was no one at FL who even remotley looked like they were in a disguise apart from hatman who I have never believed to be Michael.

[bec]

Found some of my old pics on the photo sharing site. Here's the seating chart I put together from comparing ALL the memorial photos. This was a huge project and is accurate:

Some other pics I dug up:

[voiceforthesilent]

This picture is MASSIVE so you might have to just open it in another window to see the full extent.

To me I see the blonde,a black guy in a fedora,and then hatman,2nd row,center and also to me looks like 'she' is sat directly behind Omer.I don't see another female there,maybe on the other side of the blonde but it isn't clear.
Instead of where's Wally...lets play...where's Teddy

http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=7665

Hatman was present at both memorials.TR was also present at both.
As far as I know..the blonde was only at one-Staples.There was no one at FL who even remotley looked like they were in a disguise apart from hatman who I have never believed to be Michael.

Isn't that TR one row back on bottom red circle and over about 4 people?

[Sinderella]

@Bec
I don't doubt the accuracy of your work/project =]

I have no doubts that the blonde..is a man and is Michael,I don't think Mac would need to be there in disguise only to turn up as himself with his gf/wife at FL and also,hatman was at both memorials and Mac was at FL behind him so i'd rule that one out.
From those few pics everyone looks seated differently so I suppose it is the angle at which they are taken.That is why I got the ariel shot which clearly shows where people are placed,there is no angle apart from straight down.

@Voice,I thought a couple of people looked like him there,there are a few black men,in suits,wearing shades,facial hair,sat next to women.Have to ask him what row he was in

I will try and find out where I read about it being his bodyguard but it might have been a note in a hoax video.
It would make sense him sitting next to his real life security detail for obvious reasons.
The only attention grabbing thing the blonde did the entire time,was thumbs up and that is the main clue regarding 'her' apart from her features.Thumbs up is such a Michael thing to do.

As for hatman,i've read/heard/spoke about it being everyone from MJ to a mafia boss called Fabrizio Stefano to Rick Baker to Elvis.

[bec]

I don't think Hatman is Mack either. It was just a theory at the time.

Hatman at the burial is not the same Hatman from the memorial. Different man, same hat.

To make the chart I did use reference pics from both sides as all pics are at some type of angle (I just didn't upload them all to the pic sharing site apparently), even the overhead shots, and the angle distorts perception to some extent. But in any case, that chart is the seating arrangements in relation to each other and in general relation to the coffin placement (ie center) of the stage.

[~Souza~]

I don't think Hatman is Mack either. It was just a theory at the time.

Hatman at the burial is not the same Hatman from the memorial. Different man, same hat.

To make the chart I did use reference pics from both sides as all pics are at some type of angle (I just didn't upload them all to the pic sharing site apparently), even the overhead shots, and the angle distorts perception to some extent. But in any case, that chart is the seating arrangements in relation to each other and in general relation to the coffin placement (ie center) of the stage.

Hatman at the burial is Mike, blonde lady at the memorial is Mike. That's my bet and no one has convinced me otherwise til this day.  :lol:

[Andrea]

I don't think Hatman is Mack either. It was just a theory at the time.

Hatman at the burial is not the same Hatman from the memorial. Different man, same hat.

To make the chart I did use reference pics from both sides as all pics are at some type of angle (I just didn't upload them all to the pic sharing site apparently), even the overhead shots, and the angle distorts perception to some extent. But in any case, that chart is the seating arrangements in relation to each other and in general relation to the coffin placement (ie center) of the stage.

Hatman at the burial is Mike, blonde lady at the memorial is Mike. That's my bet and no one has convinced me otherwise til this day.  :lol:

That makes a lot of sense Souza, I don't know why I never thought of it that way before.  No wonder Rick Baker (Thriller, Ghosts make up artist) took 2009 off from films...especially when you factor in Dave Dave.

[CC]

I don't think Hatman is Mack either. It was just a theory at the time.

Hatman at the burial is not the same Hatman from the memorial. Different man, same hat.

To make the chart I did use reference pics from both sides as all pics are at some type of angle (I just didn't upload them all to the pic sharing site apparently), even the overhead shots, and the angle distorts perception to some extent. But in any case, that chart is the seating arrangements in relation to each other and in general relation to the coffin placement (ie center) of the stage.

Hatman at the burial is Mike, blonde lady at the memorial is Mike. That's my bet and no one has convinced me otherwise til this day.  :lol:

same here!

[raphaelleanique]

After digging in quite some old stuff I finally came across the name of taunyia zilkie, randys ex wife, here is her twitterpage

http://twitter.com/taunyadee

That is what was found out in Autumn 2009, did I miss any debunk on that?!

[katy (MJFAN7)]

I don't think Hatman is Mack either. It was just a theory at the time.

Hatman at the burial is not the same Hatman from the memorial. Different man, same hat.

To make the chart I did use reference pics from both sides as all pics are at some type of angle (I just didn't upload them all to the pic sharing site apparently), even the overhead shots, and the angle distorts perception to some extent. But in any case, that chart is the seating arrangements in relation to each other and in general relation to the coffin placement (ie center) of the stage.

Hatman at the burial is Mike, blonde lady at the memorial is Mike. That's my bet and no one has convinced me otherwise til this day.  :lol:

High five! :lol:

[raphaelleanique]

http://www.123people.com/ext/frm?ti=per ... wrt_id=262

check this out, sorry, she is not the ex wife, but Randys girlfriend..
I do not know what to make out of this. It almost looks like MJ was disguised as Zilkie,with her knowledge,or whatever?!Iam going to look a little further into this,just a moment,please..