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Serious doubts about the 3 Cascio tracks...

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I have some serious doubts as to "Monster", "Breaking News" and "Keep Your Head Up" like most of us. I was listening to these songs mixed among the 100%-Michael's-no-doubt songs and I was like " him, not him, him, hot him, him, not him..." I wish to start a serious discussion about thet. I already got an album - not mp3 tracks from the internet and I feel something is wrong. I do believe you are going to come backk to this thread on Dec 14th or 15th when you'll have the album in your hands.
I'm going to ennumerate my doubts and I'll ask you, my Family, for the feedback:


1. The voice on these 3 tracks lacks Michael's depth and strength. I cannnot hear the characteristic Michael lower tones (Kompare "Keep Your Head Up" and "Keep The Faith")
2. The pronunciation of some words is different (Monsta not Monster - sounds like British pronunciation to me)
3. The voice seems like a voice of a younger person
4. The mannerism of speech and accent is different
5. The voice is weak, I had an impression that somebody is pressing Michael's (or this person's) throat when he was singing... Like he was afraid to sing louder... Michaels voice is sharp like a sword, it breaks glass
6. The shaky, shivery vibrato...  
7. Pronunciation of certain consonants: Michael has a special feature while saying the words like "You", "need you", "truth", the letter "t" at the end of a word... He softens these consonants in his own typical way. The whole family speaks similarly, I think they took it after Joe or Katherine. I didn't notice anything like that in these songs....
8. The falsetto is different...
9. The voice lacks this "nosey" feature (the "stuffed nose effect" - I'm not a Native English speaker - please forgive me)


Call me a lunatic or crazy but I've been listening to Michael's voice for 18 years and something is wrong to me.  
Of course, I know that voice is something that changes with the age - there's, for example, a huge difference between "Destiny" Michael and "Invincible" Michael...
However, I'm not sure to what extent this change may occur...

 
I would like you to pay attention to Michael's/not Michael's mannerism of singing and pronouncing certain words in these three songs. I am hoping for some comparisons to appear on youtube - I'd love to hear a word by word scrutiny of specific words Michael pronounces and registers he sings in. Unfortunately I'm not able to do it myself but maybe some of you can, or at least you jump at sucha video on YT. Please, post it here.
If the experts at Sony weren't able to prove it - maybe we, the fans, can. If this is a forgery - then there must be a way to prove it somehow. Of course, I am hoping for the other result as well.. That would be much better... If my suspicions will prove to be false (if Michael himself comes out and tells it's all him - I am ready to go on my knees to Encino (I live in Europe)

Thank you for reading this thread...
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becca26

#15
December 14, 2010, 12:33:18 PM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

I just bought the album on I tunes and I have headphones on.... I am a singer and have been since I was 5 and I am 28 now. I have stuff on video when I was a child and demos from when I was 12 till the age I am now, I have sung in studios stages ect. I think they are all him, but some may have not been completed, so they had to go in and clean in up, I am not Michael Jackson so can say if he would want this out or not, no of us can. But I know MJ had issues with sony in the past so why no give them the so so tracks and then once the contract is up then let his children release the stuff he had finished. Just thinking aloud :D

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letstalkagain

#16
December 14, 2010, 06:52:27 PM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

The Cascios were only on Oprah to promote this album because the family have a vested interest in it/
More money, more money!

suspicious mind

#17
December 14, 2010, 07:43:56 PM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

is there a background story as to how these tracks from this family happened to end up on the album? was it ever michaels intention for them to be taken as a serious effort?

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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

rayvyn

#18
December 14, 2010, 08:03:34 PM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "becca26"

I just bought the album on I tunes and I have headphones on.... I am a singer and have been since I was 5 and I am 28 now. I have stuff on video when I was a child and demos from when I was 12 till the age I am now, I have sung in studios stages ect. I think they are all him, but some may have not been completed, so they had to go in and clean in up, I am not Michael Jackson so can say if he would want this out or not, no of us can. But I know MJ had issues with sony in the past so why no give them the so so tracks and then once the contract is up then let his children release the stuff he had finished. Just thinking aloud :D

That's really a good idea about releasing the finished recordings after the contract is up, if in fact there are recordings that are complete.

King_Michael

#19
December 14, 2010, 09:46:23 PM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

Yeah I don't know if I'm buying this album it just seems to fishy seems like their are fake MJ's on here I love hold my hand but I don't know it just seems weird



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VeryLittleSusieTopic starter

#20
December 15, 2010, 06:54:00 AM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

Just giving some update on my ow topic:  :oops:

People on  Prince's forum (Prince from "Purple Rain") say that it's Eddie Cascio who is singing on these 3 Cascio songs!  To them - the two have identical pronunciation and accent!
http://prince.org/msg/8/347924?jump=945&pg=32

And I'll repost a link of Jason Malachi singing live - just for comparison:
Credit to: 2good2btrue

[youtube:1h4ztmdx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiHhB_KzXIg&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:1h4ztmdx]

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jacilovesmichael

#21
December 18, 2010, 08:25:17 AM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

Just a little advice...I was listening in my car last night and I turned the bass and treb all the way down so that the voice was mostly what I could hear, and that took away all doubt for me. It's him.

I still think that it may have been done on purpose for confusion, but I also think it's the production style that is causing us to wonder. What I mean is, usually Michael goes in the studio and records the main vocals in one take and then ad-libs and harmony are added. But that's not what is "normal" for all artists to do. It takes a lot of takes and editing and auto-tuning to make some artists sound how they do on their records. I think that's why it sounds so different. These songs were completed more like the pop records of today, which makes them sound even more relevant as well as different. Also, he's singing in his lower register most the time which we aren't used to.

I think this just proves that he really is the King of Pop -  he can literally create anything and it will be 100 times better than whatever music is out today. Plus the controversy sells, obviously...

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gstatpro

#22
December 18, 2010, 11:26:59 AM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

Wheres this interview and footage! This will explain it all!!!!

[youtube:3pgbjc2n]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPzkI0iMZqA[/youtube:3pgbjc2n]

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jacilovesmichael

#23
December 18, 2010, 11:28:45 AM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "gstatpro"

Wheres this interview and footage! This will explain it all!!!!

[youtube:1h2ywcav]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPzkI0iMZqA[/youtube:1h2ywcav]

Where's you find that?! And why haven't I seen it...

What you have just witnessed could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare. It isn't. It's the beginning.

gstatpro

#24
December 18, 2010, 11:35:27 AM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "gstatpro"

Wheres this interview and footage! This will explain it all!!!!

[youtube:x42pn7wx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPzkI0iMZqA[/youtube:x42pn7wx]

Heres some of it...

[youtube:x42pn7wx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFgzS6wndd0[/youtube:x42pn7wx]
Wherever you are....

Datroot

#25
December 18, 2010, 11:43:25 AM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "CC"

Quote from: "VeryLittleSusie"

Hey Nynyro, CC, Gstatpro & Jacilovesmichael. Thanks for your responses. You are all lifting up my spirits.  :)
I'd like you to ask you how do you relate to the differences in this person's accent and pronunciation? I'm not a native English speaker (but I'm said to have a rather good ear  :oops:  ) but to me the pronunciation of this "person" is a bit different than Michael's. Although you may process somebody's voice in the studio - it is hard to process their pronunciation. It is something you'd have to train...  :|

watch the video with bashit, sorry... bashir interview... when they are at MJ studio and he is trying to teach bashit (sorrry again) how to moonwalk, at the beggining he say that he likes his acent and MJ change his voice and talk line an english person... this is what mj do, he can change voice, sounds, tone, acent... is what make him so unique!!!

edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMBTVN-tJUI i think this is it! ;)

This is all true but MJ spoke in a 'bad' English accent - I wouldn't mistake him for an English person.  I enjoyed hearing him speak like that - but it was just a bit of fun.


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VeryLittleSusieTopic starter

#26
December 18, 2010, 05:42:20 PM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

Just posting it in order to have all evidence in one thread:
It is coming from  http://fakemichael.com/
:?

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"How can you release a record without Michael Jackson? It's not Michael Jackson. I heard the song that's on the Internet now ['Breaking News'] and I'm like, 'That ain't Mike.'"
— Will.I.Am, Black Eyed Peas, Michael Jackson's producer

"I remember when Teddy and I were at Encore listening to Keep Your Head Up. We both knew it wasn't my Uncle."

"Out of the 10 songs listed, only 7 of them are Michael Jackson."

"I've always admired the talent of Teddy Riley, but after hearing him lie on Oprah I am terribly disappointed."
— Taryll Jackson, Michael Jackson's nephew

"Some of the songs are him, and some aren't. I would bet my life on that."

"And as to the vocal authenticators, they work for pay. And I wasn't there when they did their analysis."

"Like I said, Sony and the executors have 250 million reasons to influence the public."
— Randy Jackson, Michael Jackson's brother

"I have read the statement from the MJ estate and I have to say that it's just more bullshit! I was in that room, and the majority of the people mentioned did NOT agree that it was MJ! Some felt it sounded like him but all agree that there was nothing there that was consistent with any MJ habits like finger snaps, headphone bleeding, foot stomping or just simple things like his voice asking for another take. Both Dr. Freeze and Teddy Riley sat with Taryll Jackson and myself and stated that they felt what we felt. As for the specialists that were brought in, I don't think anyone from the actual Jackson family got any direct confirmation that made them feel any different then what they have felt all along."
— Cory Rooney, producer

"It seems like everybody is trying to put everything out that they can with him. I don't understand it. It's all to make money. He wouldn't have wanted it to come out this way. They must just be trying to make as much money as they can. I don't know why else they are doing it."
— Quincy Jones, producer of Michael Jackson's
"Off the Wall", "Thriller", and "Bad" albums

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Cully Surroga

#27
December 18, 2010, 06:00:38 PM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

This is so obvious to me... i'm having more 'doubts' about the people listening to the songs.
Do we not have, in 2010, good enough equipment to hear and identify someone's voice?
It's nice that Teddy Riley admits the voice has been 'enhanced', my question is: to what extent? I have used 'Melodyne' many times and know all those tools quite well, they correct voice takes and retune specific notes, they don't change one's voice into a completely different one.

Cully Surroga

#28
December 18, 2010, 06:03:54 PM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

I'm sorry cause this is also a question of personal taste, but to me those songs just have "no soul" in them, it's nothing like a Michael Jackson record. All in all it sounds like a quickly produced contemporary pop album that wil be impossible to listen to in less than 10 years... (Remember Thriller?)

Datroot

#29
December 19, 2010, 11:50:26 AM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

Yes it is personal taste and I love all the songs and I know I will still be listening for years to come - whatever floats your boat.



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