THE BOTTOM LINE...NOW is the TIME!!

[navibl]

(Disclaimer:  What is being said here is not open for debate from non faith believers.  If you are offended by faith in God, this is not the thread for you…Thank you and have a Peaceful day!)

In light of TS’s last post, it would seem that there are only two points left to ponder and then ask your self some serious questions.   TS has given months of compelling evidence of all the clues Michael has left for this world.   It seems to have turned into a worldwide debate.  

So I would like to ask the question?  Who believes without a shadow of a doubt that Michael Joe Jackson is alive in a physical body on planet earth?  And what is the one thing that you can honestly say is the deciding factor in your unwavering faith?  If by now you are sure or don’t believe Michael is alive, I fear there IS NOTHING that will ever propel you to the other side of the fence and you will always be indecisive.
So next I have to ask, with this being said, what is the point of so much time spent on debate?  And bashing each others ideas.  I ask myself this very question after praying over my attitude with Mo yesterday.  What was the point I mean REALLY?  Other than the fact that I LOVE and respect TS, and you have to take a stand for the people around you that show LOVE and Compassion.

So what progress are we making when we continue to debate everything that is said, that is either for Michael being here or against it? We will never know details of the why, when, and how unless Michael chooses to share details when he returns.  My fear is that instead of us embarking on this mission with him to every corner of the world to bring a message of HOPE and LOVE to the world, it will turn into a massive worldwide debate and Q&A session.

However this will not within its self deter what will take place at that time, because I almost tend to believe that the people that have no clue that Michael is alive will be more receptive of him at his return than those who continually live in fear and doubt and straddle the fence.

So I say this from a Loving place…THE TIME HAS COME.  Fence sitting needs to end in order to be productive in our lives.  If you don’t believe Michael is alive, I would hope you can find peace within yourself to move on and let this go and heal from any pain you might feel, and if you believe in God, just pray for his family.

For those of us who BeLIEve this precious man is here on this earth with us,  don’t you think it is time to get down to some serious BeLIEving and move this Army forward to where is needs to be when Michael is back with us, and not still beating the same old dead horse? Let’s let Michael Joseph Jackson the King of Pop, be laid to rest and let Michael Joe Jackson, the man of God with a mission of LOVE and PEACE and HARMONY feel he has a safe haven to return to with our LOVE surrounding him in Unity.
We are an Army of LOVE, not a college debate team, we must graduate and go out into the entire world and gather in the lost and hurting and the hopeless.  It is not just what Michael has ask us to do , it is what GOD EXPECTS of us.  We don't have much time left!

I LOVE you all from the bottom of my Heart with all sincerity and my prayers are continually with you for strength to maneuver what is ahead of us!  And Michael, you KNOW where my heart is!………Victoria

[paula-c]

I believe that Michael this live before TS start has been publishing, i see nothing wrong with discuss views and ideas different, i believe that TS in one of its post said to be created threads to discuss their views.

[MJonmind]

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Let’s let Michael Joseph Jackson the King of Pop, be laid to rest and let Michael Joe Jackson, the man of God with a mission of LOVE and PEACE and HARMONY feel he has a safe haven to return to with our LOVE surrounding him in Unity.

You got it right way back in Dec., and now its confirmed by TS! He is definately a man of God with a mission of love.(Back's posts)

TS
With MJ: his enemies really did kill the reputation, the image, the performer, the King of Pop—Michael Joseph Jackson. Therefore, the statements and emotions of the family are real—even though it is metaphorical murder, and not literal. Even the Bible uses death and murder in a metaphorical sense: “Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer ...” (1 John 3:15; see Luke 9:60; etc).

Then someone said, now it's time for "the man you never knew"--his heart and special calling. Love it!

[Sarahli]

The thing is that Michael has not yet disclosed his new "status" officially so that there is absolutely no doubts as to what it really is. One thing TS said intrigued me a lot. It was about his identity and the fact that some people would believe him if he revealed it right now but that others would not.... I wonder who and why?

[lilwendy]

Victoria!!! Well said!  TS... Can we get a redirect here? LOL
I believe MJ is alive in the flesh on earth and I have 110% made up my mind.  No wavering.
Army of LOVE needs to get to action! :-) just realized Army of LOVE acronym is AOL. Haha that's another topic! ;-)

[jacilovesmichael]

I believe Michael is alive. Because if he's not alive, he had to have been murdered. And if he was murdered, there's no way anyone but Michael Jackson himself could plan this elaborate hoax. Let's face it, the hoax exists. There is no question about that. The only question is WHO is behind the hoax.

I believe it is Michael Jackson himself. I can give specific reasons: DaveDave WAS Michael. Not proven, but I'd bet my right arm on it. The numerology. It is not that complicated, I am not that great at math but even I can handle the simple equations. And he WORE these numbers and WROTE these numbers. Then there's Teddy Riley. His words have confirmed my belief that Michael is alive. He was a friend of MJ. If Mike was really dead, would a friend say otherwise? And if the hoax was done by others (not mj) would a friend really make a comment like that just for a paycheck? Yes I understand it's possible, but I'm using my common sense here. Would I sell out like that for my friend, my HERO - Michael Jackson? No way in hell.

There are many more specifics... but what it comes down to mostly for me is my intuition. There is a certain energy that Michael has within himself. It is the essence that is found in all his works...songs, dances, recordings, speeches. Just his presence or a mere THOUGHT of him and you can feel that energy. That energy is found throughout this hoax. It is something that cannot be imitated. That is why I believe he is alive. Is that legal or scientific evidence? No, it isn't. But here's a quote that I like, from "The Notebook"...

"Science only goes so far... And then, comes God."

I have openly believed Michael is alive since July 2009. All my friends and family know that's what I believe. Now people ask me about it when I see them. You'd be surprised at how much people are interested in this type of stuff if you just know how to present the information. What I do, is I tell them the stories almost like I'm telling them about a movie I saw. I don't take myself too seriously and try to make it entertaining. After all, it IS very entertaining  :lol: So then even if I end up being wrong, it's okay because at least I Had them entertained for awhile. I'm sure Michael would appreciate that. But my point is, we should all be as open with our beliefs as possible so that when Michael returns people already know the ones they can run to with all their questions...  

[itsall4luv]

So I say this from a Loving place…THE TIME HAS COME.  Fence sitting needs to end in order to be productive in our lives.  If you don’t believe Michael is alive, I would hope you can find peace within yourself to move on and let this go and heal from any pain you might feel, and if you believe in God, just pray for his family.

For those of us who BeLIEve this precious man is here on this earth with us,  don’t you think it is time to get down to some serious BeLIEving and move this Army forward to where is needs to be when Michael is back with us, and not still beating the same old dead horse? Let’s let Michael Joseph Jackson the King of Pop, be laid to rest and let Michael Joe Jackson, the man of God with a mission of LOVE and PEACE and HARMONY feel he has a safe haven to return to with our LOVE surrounding him in Unity.
We are an Army of LOVE, not a college debate team, we must graduate and go out into the entire world and gather in the lost and hurting and the hopeless.  It is not just what Michael has ask us to do , it is what GOD EXPECTS of us.  We don't have much time left!

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Victoria, thank you for a most poignant and beautiful message. Yes, time is running out. Let's not keep wasting time on the debate and put our collective energy TOGETHER as ONE. We do have the power, together, to make that change . . .

[Sarahli]

I believe Michael is alive. Because if he's not alive, he had to have been murdered. And if he was murdered, there's no way anyone but Michael Jackson himself could plan this elaborate hoax. Let's face it, the hoax exists. There is no question about that. The only question is WHO is behind the hoax.

I believe it is Michael Jackson himself. I can give specific reasons: DaveDave WAS Michael. Not proven, but I'd bet my right arm on it. The numerology. It is not that complicated, I am not that great at math but even I can handle the simple equations. And he WORE these numbers and WROTE these numbers. Then there's Teddy Riley. His words have confirmed my belief that Michael is alive. He was a friend of MJ. If Mike was really dead, would a friend say otherwise? And if the hoax was done by others (not mj) would a friend really make a comment like that just for a paycheck? Yes I understand it's possible, but I'm using my common sense here. Would I sell out like that for my friend, my HERO - Michael Jackson? No way in hell.

There are many more specifics... but what it comes down to mostly for me is my intuition. There is a certain energy that Michael has within himself. It is the essence that is found in all his works...songs, dances, recordings, speeches. Just his presence or a mere THOUGHT of him and you can feel that energy. That energy is found throughout this hoax. It is something that cannot be imitated. That is why I believe he is alive. Is that legal or scientific evidence? No, it isn't. But here's a quote that I like, from "The Notebook"...

"Science only goes so far... And then, comes God."

I have openly believed Michael is alive since July 2009. All my friends and family know that's what I believe. Now people ask me about it when I see them. You'd be surprised at how much people are interested in this type of stuff if you just know how to present the information. What I do, is I tell them the stories almost like I'm telling them about a movie I saw. I don't take myself too seriously and try to make it entertaining. After all, it IS very entertaining  :lol: So then even if I end up being wrong, it's okay because at least I Had them entertained for awhile. I'm sure Michael would appreciate that. But my point is, we should all be as open with our beliefs as possible so that when Michael returns people already know the ones they can run to with all their questions...  

I exactly feel the same  

[CC]

I have no doubt at all that he is alive... and about the debate I feel that if here we can´t control the situation imagine haw will be worldwide??!!

[Sarahli]

I have no doubt at all that he is alive... and about the debate I feel that if here we can´t control the situation imagine haw will be worldwide??!!

If there was a stampede in the forum it would be a real mess...  :lol:

[voiceforthesilent]

I need to come back and read all of these excellent posts. Thank you for sharing! I am in total agreement with you incredible people. Blessings!

[a18wheelslady]

I believe with all my Heart that Michael is Alive.
i don't think that any of the evidence has proved he passed.
i don't think that when he comes back it will be  Michael  the way he was----but
a new Michael that has moved on to bigger and brighter things.
Let the shining star shine brighter then it did before.              
Love You More Michael        and       TS  
Thank you for helping us through this journey.

[PureLove]

I don't like to define myself as a beLIEver because I KNOW that Michael Joe Jackson is ALIVE! Yes, I'm that sure he is alive and behind this hoax! And I do KNOW that TS is helping us and he is bringing Michael's message to us. And I feel sorry for the ones who started to oppose TS and the hoax idea because the truth is so open and it is just in front of their eyes. I think it's in human nature to forget what the other did for them and how the other helped them because so soon, they start to forget about it all. I don't know what else Michael and TS could do for us to show the truth. Michael did his best and he gave enough proof to us. I don't care what people say about numerology but it is the MAIN PROOF of this hoax! I'm terrible in maths too but how hard can it be to get it?!? (as long as you're open to get it for sure) The family members' attitudes, all of the slip-ups (not only the airport slip-up of Jermaine), all of the inconsistencies, TII, the memorial, funeral, commercials, films everything everything we have had could only come from only one genius and that is Michael Joe Jackson. Who else would spend this much effort and time to show us something other than Michael? Why would Sony bother to tell us about NWO? I think this is about understanding Michael and getting the message. And I believe that people who think alike Michael became believers because we knew what Michael was capable of and what his desires were.

The ones who started to oppose TS and the things he said, should go back and start to learn more about Michael because it seems like they're forgetting who Michael is and what he wanted to do. If they don't find Michael in the things TS has written, then they have no clue who Michael is. This can sound harsh and people will jump on this but unfortunatelty it is the truth. It doesn't matter if you accept it or deny it. I'm not going to get into any discussions about this issue.

To have different opinions is very normal but if you're coming with different theories you need to show us proof that you're right about it, there must be logic in your explanations. We show you why we believe TS is legit with the numerology and all other stuff and you can not find any answers to our questions but you still keep on writing the same old same. This is not having a different opinion, this is opposing to oppose!

MICHAEL JOE JACKSON IS ALIVE AND TS IS HERE TO HELP US! PERIOD!

GOD BLESS MICHAEL AND TS AND ALL OF THE ONES WHO GET THE MESSAGE RIGHT!

[MJhasSpoken]

The thing is that Michael has not yet disclosed his new "status" officially so that there is absolutely no doubts as to what it really is. One thing TS said intrigued me a lot. It was about his identity and the fact that some people would believe him if he revealed it right now but that others would not.... I wonder who and why?

Same, that really stuck out to me when TS said that some people would believe and some people wouldn't if they knew TS's identity. Anyway I feel TS took the time and effort to write all the posts and really understood us and looked at our point of view and considered how we felt by putting us before him/herself (TS). E.g considered not doing long posts and considered our opinions and points of view.

I know people have said it before but thank you TS for taking the time out and helping us understand we are very GRATEFUL for your insight, and you too MJ

[Sarahli]

The thing is that Michael has not yet disclosed his new "status" officially so that there is absolutely no doubts as to what it really is. One thing TS said intrigued me a lot. It was about his identity and the fact that some people would believe him if he revealed it right now but that others would not.... I wonder who and why?

Same, that really stuck out to me when TS said that some people would believe and some people wouldn't if they knew TS's identity. Anyway I feel TS took the time and effort to write all the posts and really understood us and looked at our point of view and considered how we felt by putting us before him/herself (TS). E.g considered not doing long posts and considered our opinions and points of view.

I know people have said it before but thank you TS for taking the time out and helping us understand we are very GRATEFUL for your insight, and you too MJ

I was really astonished that he even answered because of the way he has been asked to do it... some people would have got angry just because of that I think and wouldn't have answered at all. Another thing that is in my mind is The Source... I tried to introduced it in the other thread but well it has been answered as I thought it would be. I have an idea but I'm not sure. I realized that I have not the "mind" of an investigator and I really admire people who have it because I am more driven by my emotions and gut feelings which can be good and bad. Well I keep watching.

Respect for TS.