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If these little fellas can regroup, then so can we with MJ (big duck  ;) ) leading the way!

[youtube:zsmhprgz]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEBLt6Kd9EY[/youtube:zsmhprgz]

With L.O.V.E. always.
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The beauty of Michael Jackson is found in his heart and soul...his enormous talent is a bonus and what a bonus it is.

~PLAY the moments...PAUSE the memories...STOP the pain...REWIND the happiness~

Great video, @BeTheChange.  That's totally US!!!  I'm really hoping that we can pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and get moving forward as a unit.  We are on a mission.  And my guess is that there are plenty more wind storms ahead!
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Quote from: "mjintrigue2012"
Great video, @BeTheChange.  That's totally US!!!  I'm really hoping that we can pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off, and get moving forward as a unit.  We are on a mission.  And my guess is that there are plenty more wind storms ahead!
Ditto!  :)
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With all the chaos surrounding us, I'm reminded of the Latin phrase "ordo ab chao" (order out of chaos).  I googled it and the website I've quoted came up.  When I saw the term "puppetmasters" I thought immediately of an ARG.  I've always thought we've been part of one, and now I'm even more convinced.  But that's just my slant on it ... I'm groping in the dark like everyone else here.  However, I'm optimistic enough to know that we're not destined to spend forever down the Rabbit Hole ... that someone will throw us a torch and all the dark corners will finally be illuminated.  The trick is to stay on track and not get distracted by all the "red herrings" thrown in our path.  Remember TS told us to keep the faith "no matter what happens".  These are testing times and I'm heartened to know that there IS still an Army of Love here, even if we are a bit frazzled around the edges at the moment.  Let's stay strong and let LOVE heal the divisions amongst us.  It really is the only way we're going to advance.


"All the world's a stage..."~ Shakespeare

STAGED EVENTS
also known as
ORDER OUT OF CHAOS
from the Latin
ORDO AB CHAO

The puppetmasters create "disorder" so the people will demand "order". The price of "order" always entails a handing over of control and loss of freedom on the part of the citizenry. Out of "chaos" comes "order" - THEIR order.

The trick of creating chaos and then seizing power under the pretense of putting things back in order is a tried and true method of deception and manipulation. It's the meaning behind the Latin motto: ORDO AB CHAO meaning ORDER OUT OF CHAOS.

It's also referred to as the Hegelian Dialect  after the philosopher Georg Hegel who wrote about its effectiveness. He described it as: THESIS -- ANTI-THESIS -- SYN-THESIS.

Others have described it as: PROBLEM -- REACTION -- SOLUTION in that firstly you create  the problem; then secondly you fan the flames  to get a reaction; then thirdly (like Johnny-on-the-spot) you provide  a solution. The solution is what you were wanting to achieve in the first place, but wouldn't have been able to achieve under normal circumstances.

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........and now we come back to 'mind control' used for good purposes and outcomes. I think I've been here before!! Great, it's revision time......repetition to make it all sink in!!
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curls

Well, after all the chaos here recently, and especially after reading emeraldcity's post above about 'order out of chaos', I'm growing more sure of myself each day.

I've already said, and I grow more certain each day, that ALL I can be certain of, and believe in as truth, is what I PERSONALLY experience in my own life, with people I know face to face, and most importantly, what's in my own heart. It's all back to 'the man in the mirror' idea.

Everything I read, see or hear via the media and the internet I need to thoroughly filter, no matter how awful or appealing the 'facts' or 'evidence' might be. Most I should simply file away in my mind somewhere, they may come in useful one day.

But what's important is my own heart, my own relationships, my own life - these are the things I KNOW, and I'll be honest and say they've been neglected as this hoax and all things MJ have taken over my life. I'm feeling more and more like my time is coming to a close here (at least the amount of time!) I've never felt the 'family feel' that some speak of - I've always been aware that there's a tier 'in the know' and then there's the rest of us scratching around in the crumbs! I'm not complaining necessarily, just observing. And that's not to say there aren't a good few characters I've grown fond of!

If MJ is orchestrating all this, from death hoax, to TMZ and Sony, to phoney website wars, then so be it - but until I hear it from his own mouth I can be sure of nothing. If someone else is the 'puppetmaster', then I reserve judgement, until I learn their identity and I decide for myself if they're trustworthy or not. So, if it's all down to MJ, do I trust him and his motives?  Yes, I do, because of what I've seen of him throughout his lifetime, 40 odd years of a thoroughly decent human being.

Finally, I've often wondered if TS's 'test' is just this - to see how long we all last hanging on to a website where we know no-one, talking about everything our imaginations can muster up, about a man we never knew who may or may not be alive, before we truly wake up, look ourselves in the mirror and get back to life, back to reality, back to the here and now ........ (sorry, not one of MJ's!)
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Curls - excellent post. I totally agree with you. I became disenchanged with the Elvis thing and several weeks ago thought this was it for me.

It's interesting. I always loved Michael Jackson's music. But the chaos and craziness surrounding his life and the Jacksons was always a distraction for me and I soon drifted away. I thought I would give it one more try. But here I am again...back at square 1. Whether he intentionally creates the craziness (which I now believe is partially true) or the media does, it exists. But it's full of deception. I don't think Michael Jackson wants us or anyone else to know who is truly is. I have to be truthful. If he is/was sincere about the message of love, I'm not sure why the distracting message of dysfunctional craziness was always included. It's been said that he loved controversy. That's too bad because I think it took away from his incredible talent and his message of love. I firmly believe all of us by our thoughts and actions attract specific people into our lives and the consequences thereof.

I've learned a lot about myself on this site especially from some of the truly sincere people. I'm much clearer about my purpose in life and I owe that to MJ's quest to follow his specific path. I'm going to take that knowledge and run with it. As you said Curls, my reality is what is around me everyday and the people who I know are suffering. I fear a lot of what is said on this site is fantasy and will never come to fruition. I'm going to "escape" back into reality...much wiser.
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Dear fellow hoaxers, I rarely post, because I don't like to talk that much in public (lol), but with all what happened recently, we should try to remember these virtues and what they stand for.

The 4 worldly virtues: justice, bravery, wisdom and moderation
and the 3 theological virtues: faith, love and hope

I don't want to preach to anybody, because I'm certainly not better that others, we all make mistakes and we will continue to do so in future, because we are only human. But if we just incorporated a tiny little bit of what these virtues stand for into our lives, then this world would be a better place and we will get to the end of the ride safe and sound.

4 + 3 = 7 
   
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 “Truth is beautiful, without doubt; but so are lies.”
 Ralph Waldo Emerson

P.S. Gema and MJonmind I loved your clips  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
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 “Truth is beautiful, without doubt; but so are lies.”
 Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Quote from: "curls"
Well, after all the chaos here recently, and especially after reading emeraldcity's post above about 'order out of chaos', I'm growing more sure of myself each day.

I've already said, and I grow more certain each day, that ALL I can be certain of, and believe in as truth, is what I PERSONALLY experience in my own life, with people I know face to face, and most importantly, what's in my own heart. It's all back to 'the man in the mirror' idea.

Everything I read, see or hear via the media and the internet I need to thoroughly filter, no matter how awful or appealing the 'facts' or 'evidence' might be. Most I should simply file away in my mind somewhere, they may come in useful one day.

But what's important is my own heart, my own relationships, my own life - these are the things I KNOW, and I'll be honest and say they've been neglected as this hoax and all things MJ have taken over my life. I'm feeling more and more like my time is coming to a close here (at least the amount of time!) I've never felt the 'family feel' that some speak of - I've always been aware that there's a tier 'in the know' and then there's the rest of us scratching around in the crumbs! I'm not complaining necessarily, just observing. And that's not to say there aren't a good few characters I've grown fond of!

If MJ is orchestrating all this, from death hoax, to TMZ and Sony, to phoney website wars, then so be it - but until I hear it from his own mouth I can be sure of nothing. If someone else is the 'puppetmaster', then I reserve judgement, until I learn their identity and I decide for myself if they're trustworthy or not. So, if it's all down to MJ, do I trust him and his motives?  Yes, I do, because of what I've seen of him throughout his lifetime, 40 odd years of a thoroughly decent human being.

Finally, I've often wondered if TS's 'test' is just this - to see how long we all last hanging on to a website where we know no-one, talking about everything our imaginations can muster up, about a man we never knew who may or may not be alive, before we truly wake up, look ourselves in the mirror and get back to life, back to reality, back to the here and now ........ (sorry, not one of MJ's!)

Great post
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

Quote from: "TS"
“And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm .” (Matthew 8:26). I have said the following more than once before, but people seem to quickly forget it; so I am going to end by repeating this one more time. Jermaine said: “it’s all going to come out” (and this was in the context of the “airport” slip-up); until it does all come out, keep the faith NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!!

I just found it interesting that "and there was a great calm" was underlined... emphasized... which I took to mean that there was not going to be much happening... that all would calm down.

Then I finally caved in and started following the 5Alive Dodo bird... why? I DON'T KNOW!!!! LOL Seriously, I think it's absolutely silly, but leave no stone unturned... so I'm keeping my eye on the Dodo.

Anyway, a couple of recent tweets from Dodo

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Is leading a quiet life as a dodo and wants everyone to be as calm and happy as he is.

I just found it strange that TS referenced calm and then Dodo spoke of being calm ... do you think there is a connection or do you think I am reading WAY too much into this! LOL I'm open to both views!  :D

Here's the one that got me wondering about Dodo and the connection to Doo Doo  :roll:  Yes I'm rolling my eyes at myself for even entertaining this.  :D

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So I don't want to turn this into a "should we follow Dodo" topic... I want to keep it relevant to the thread.  TS mentioned calm in this post and Dodo mentioned calm in his tweet.  Connection?
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Quote from: "emeraldcity"
With all the chaos surrounding us, I'm reminded of the Latin phrase "ordo ab chao" (order out of chaos). I googled it and the website I've quoted came up. When I saw the term "puppetmasters" I thought immediately of an ARG. I've always thought we've been part of one, and now I'm even more convinced. But that's just my slant on it ... I'm groping in the dark like everyone else here. However, I'm optimistic enough to know that we're not destined to spend forever down the Rabbit Hole ... that someone will throw us a torch and all the dark corners will finally be illuminated. The trick is to stay on track and not get distracted by all the "red herrings" thrown in our path. Remember TS told us to keep the faith "no matter what happens". These are testing times and I'm heartened to know that there IS still an Army of Love here, even if we are a bit frazzled around the edges at the moment. Let's stay strong and let LOVE heal the divisions amongst us. It really is the only way we're going to advance.

People are most suggestible when they have been traumatised and creating trauma is one of the operating foundation of Illuminati/NWO mind control so that they can increase their control whilst the "sheep" look for order to be restored.
I also beLIEve (And I have done so for a long time!) that we are part of an ARG with a purpose to educate us to Think For Ourselves (Freedom from Mind Control).  This is however unlikely to be the sole purpose of this ARG.
What we need to remember is that IF Michael did fake his death, whatever the reasons were, HE would have had to make some sacrifices and take some risks... and IF HE was prepared to "hurt" his fans, HE is probably prepared to play a "cruel to be kind" scenario with the beLIEvers to get them where HE needs them to be or get what HE wants out of this/them.

The recent events may be reminiscent of a training exercise...



And what about IF the whole think was a Hoax and Michael is no longer with us or never planned to BAM?:
- The latest MO/Souza and Keyboardwizz "interchanges" have changed NOTHING to the available evidences... neither has it shaded the light on who is behind TS and whether the identity of TS is known to either Mo and/or Souza...
- Evidences are from many different "sources" and if we are being Hoaxed, we are talking about a giant experiment on the next generation of web-based entertainment led by the entertainment industry with people closed to MJ being paid to deceive!.... In such event this site would be a drop in the ocean!   It is possible but it would be of bad taste to use "death" as the "topic" to experiment upon and could lead to significant backlash when the truth is unveiled.  
- Whether long term fans or not... do we know who Michael really is and what he really wants?

And finally a message to Mo and Souza... to say that I would be more than Happy to entertain you with a soup (It may not be as nice as Badkolo's one... I don't know!) if this can help resolving the current "disagreements"...

With L.O.V.E
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"Let us dream of tomorrow where
we can truly love from the soul, and
know love as the ultimate truth at
the heart of all creation."

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MJonmind

I don't know if anyone remembers the Arnold Schwarzenegger movie True Lies, where Jamie Lee Curtis his wife is supposedly cheating on him and he is trying to find out if she had sex with this guy. He traps her without her knowing it's him, arrests her and behind a two-way mirror interrogates her about her thought life. For some reason what she said resonates with me. She sobs that no she did not cheat on him, but she wanted adventure, a little excitement, a sense of being part of something big and important, life-changing. So Arnold ask her if she would like to do an espionage job for them, and so she has an exciting adventure. (Watch the movie) I put a clip of Arnold riding the horse scene on the Laugher thread, while looking for this scene but could not find it. Anyway I sooo identify with her longing. We're all pretty ordinary people living ordinary lives, and this Michael hoax thriller only comes along once in a lifetime. We've all experienced some forms of trauma in our lives, at least I sure have. Runninggirl I do understand the whole NWO use of mind-controlled slaves. 911 was trauma to bring in FEMA, police state. But maybe Michael is doing the same but with good intentions. The trauma is his death, chaos of conspiracy about the circumstances, but also good clean fun with the hoax and come-back. Peace is when all the dust settles. The same process, but with good intentions :mrgreen: . Also MJ would love that super-soaker painting!
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MissG

I came back to this thread to learn who is sponge Bob.

Once again, scanning the posts, I can´t see this as a part of the ARG played in the hoax.

I see this as a real "mistake" where loyalties have been betrayed due to different opinions and moral values about "how far should we go with".

Things got out of hands and shows that so called secrets can be keept as secrets that much.
Trust and loyalties on the line for sure, leading to power struggle.
Veni, vidi, vici in a nutshell.

It also shows how hard it is for some people to accept their mistakes and give an apology.

I thought I knew the real reason for this argument to happen on the first place, but I am now unsure and i believe that more "truths" are about to come out, must come out.
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("Minkin güerveeeee")
Michael pls come back


"Why a four-year-old child could understand this hoax. Run out and find me a four-year-old child. I can't make head nor tail out of it"

After posting about the "calm", I went back to read all 18 pages on this thread!!! hahahaha I knew something was going on but I had NO IDEA of all the controversy! LOL Wow!  

You know, this hoax is a total parallel for life for me.  We question who is telling the truth on this board, things going on behind the scenes that are being omitted for the common good, theories, mysteries, controversy, confusion, etc.  Sounds like the governments and the people. :-)  Sounds like Hollywood gossip mags and the people.  

Really what in LIFE is real?  What is truth? And are we questioning our world the way we are questioning our lives on this forum?

I really hope we are not just investigating MJ and his death, but that we are taking this into our "real world" and questioning who is behind our governments, following the money trails, and finding out who really runs this show we called "life".
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