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[Aintnosunshine]

Okay ....

... just back to the original topic. Numerology, that is.

Without judging anyone I`d just like to recommend to educate yourselves on statistics.

Like  Walter Krämer`s books "Statistik verstehen", "So überzeugt man mit Statistik" and "So lügt man mit Statistik" (sorry these are only in german but I am certain there are similar publications in other languages out there as well).

You will learn that you can "prove" almost everything by "calculation" of numbers.

Remember, there are only eight numbers in total (1-9).

And how many ways to calculate?

- to add
- to subtract
- to multiply
- to divide
- to make a checksum

these are five already (remember!)

AND to look for BIBLE QUOTATIONS (there`s no way NOT to fin d something matching).

AND to combine each of them to each other ....

Therefore you have got seven possibilities to deal with every date and number (out of hundreds you`ll find in every person`s life).

So how sigfnificant are T.S.`s "findings"?

And, sorry, the BURDEN OF PROOF is incumbent on the one who STATES/CLAIMES  something, not on the one who doubts.

P:S: T.S. should turn an honest penny at me .... for fair meta-level-debunking ...

[~Souza~]

Remember, there are only eight numbers in total (1-9).

That is if we were only getting single-digit numbers. But we also have 2-, 3- and 4-digit numbers (77, 99, 111, 777, 999, 1998 etc.) so that makes the odds that a number is just a coincidence a lot smaller.

[Aintnosunshine]

Aren`t all numbers composed of to these 8 digits?

And aren`t - most often scaled down  :) - two-digit-figures are just more likely to match anything?

You bet ....

[~Souza~]

Aren`t all numbers composed of to these 8 digits?

And aren`t - most often scaled down  :) - two-digit-figures are just more likely to match anything?

You bet ....

You don't get what I mean, I think. The numbers clearly used in this hoax are not just single-digit numbers. Made out of the 10 exsisting ones, but the chance that a 2-digit number is 77 is just 1% (1 out of 100: 00-99). The chance that a 3-digit number is 777 is only 0.1% (1 out of 1,000; 000-999) etc. When more of these numbers come up and you have to calculate the chance that it is all just coincidence, you have to multiply them, which makes the chance even smaller, like I pointed out with my calculations.

As for the Bible quotes: I agree that you can find a fitting one for every date, but I don't think it was TS that showed the link between dates and Bible scriptures, but SeeingClues.

[trublu]

I must be really stupid or something  :oops:

Surely there are 9 digits not 8?

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9

[~Souza~]

I must be really stupid or something  :oops:

Surely there are 9 digits not 8?

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9

There are 10: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 & 9

[Aintnosunshine]

I appreciate your efforts, Souza, indeed! And your quick - prima facie academic elaborated? - response. But still, I am not convinced.

What is 777 for example (without calculation) and what`s important about it?

If I`d take any 7 or 70 or 77 or 770 or 777 as a presumption of anything like

- distance of days between one day and another  or
- date`s sum, checksum, factor or any other effect
- amounts or proportion or percentage of money   or
- whatsoever

it wouldn`t be too hard to find matching points in ---- no matter what.

[Aintnosunshine]

I must be really stupid or something  :oops:

Surely there are 9 digits not 8?

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9

Of course you are right --- 9 digits (my typo, sorry   :) ).

[~Souza~]

I appreciate your efforts, Souza, indeed! And your quick - prima facie academic elaborated? - response. But still, I am not convinced.

What is 777 for example (without calculation) and what`s important about it?

If I`d take any 7 or 70 or 77 or 770 or 777 as a presumption of anything like

- distance of days between one day and another  or
- date`s sum, checksum, factor or any other effect
- amounts or proportion or percentage of money   or
- whatsoever

it wouldn`t be too hard to find matching points in ---- no matter what.

Point is that Mike himself promoted the numbers himself and now the numbers as in time between dates, length of the TII movie etc. are used in the hoax. If he never would have promoted the numbers himself, it would indeed have meant nothing, but he did.

[Le Papillon Bleu]

I appreciate your efforts, Souza, indeed! And your quick - prima facie academic elaborated? - response. But still, I am not convinced.

What is 777 for example (without calculation) and what`s important about it?

If I`d take any 7 or 70 or 77 or 770 or 777 as a presumption of anything like

- distance of days between one day and another  or
- date`s sum, checksum, factor or any other effect
- amounts or proportion or percentage of money   or
- whatsoever

it wouldn`t be too hard to find matching points in ---- no matter what.

Point is that Mike himself promoted the numbers himself and now the numbers as in time between dates, length of the TII movie etc. are used in the hoax. If he never would have promoted the numbers himself, it would indeed have meant nothing, but he did.

:D love that part,.

[paula-c]

Puff » wrote:

Gema wrote:
paula-c wrote:
Gema wrote:

Gema wrote:
Wasn´t the Eliza case going to be on November 11?

Typo error: November 30 I wanted to say. Got mixed up.

If the conference is 30 November, is supposed to be judged and meet the lawyers to see the evidence and the steps to follow to decide the date of trial.

Thanks!

Serenitys_Dream » Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:55 pm

Gema wrote:
No server found to me.

@serenity, is that what you get?

And this :?:

viewtopic.php?f=72&t=15181

[TheRunningGirl]

Puff » wrote:

Gema wrote:
paula-c wrote:
Gema wrote:

Gema wrote:
Wasn´t the Eliza case going to be on November 11?

Typo error: November 30 I wanted to say. Got mixed up.

If the conference is 30 November, is supposed to be judged and meet the lawyers to see the evidence and the steps to follow to decide the date of trial.

Thanks!

Serenitys_Dream » Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:55 pm

Gema wrote:
No server found to me.

@serenity, is that what you get?

And this :?:

http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpb ... 72&t=15181

http://chancerydata.shelbycountytn.gov/pls/chweb/ck_public_qry_doct.cp_dktrpt_frames?backto=P&case_id=CH-09-1696&begin_date=&end_date=

The Eliza court case was rescheduled on November 10th and is now taking place on December 14th as per the above court details (scroll to the end of the page). (The original date was November 30th)

With L.O.V.E

[paula-c]

Thanks TheRunningGirl

[becauseofYOU]

TS never convinced me Mike was alive, I knew that way before TS ever posted. TS only made me think on a different level and that has helped me the past year in forming my opinion on everything in this world, not just this hoax. I became a wiser person and I learned a bunch about myself.

This is what I feel too, so thank you TS, really. No matter who you are, all what you're doing is so interesting.
This adventure is enrichen me so much: I've been woken up by Michael long time ago, and now thanks to you I'm aware of NWO, and related.

I follow you, but always thinking 4 myself. Knowledge is so important, ignorance is surrender.
Even if I fear the cospiracy theory is the most plausible for me, I DO NOT surrender. I'm collecting information, I consider them, I study them... until the truth will come out.
I'm here to search for the truth, to investigate.  I'm suffering so  much, I pray Mike is alive and well...and I don't want anyone to hurt him anymore...that's what I want...

God bless you all, and once more, thank you TS.

[CC]

TS never convinced me Mike was alive, I knew that way before TS ever posted. TS only made me think on a different level and that has helped me the past year in forming my opinion on everything in this world, not just this hoax. I became a wiser person and I learned a bunch about myself.

This is what I feel too, so thank you TS, really. No matter who you are, all what you're doing is so interesting.
This adventure is enrichen me so much: I've been woken up by Michael long time ago, and now thanks to you I'm aware of NWO, and related.

I follow you, but always thinking 4 myself. Knowledge is so important, ignorance is surrender.
Even if I fear the cospiracy theory is the most plausible for me, I DO NOT surrender. I'm collecting information, I consider them, I study them... until the truth will come out.
I'm here to search for the truth, to investigate.  I'm suffering so  much, I pray Mike is alive and well...and I don't want anyone to hurt him anymore...that's what I want...

God bless you all, and once more, thank you TS.

same here... I'm a little sad this days, but i will be fine... god bless you all!
at least we are a little bit closer every day... love you all!
and now we have the wikileaks...  :roll: