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Quote from: "~Souza~"Eliza can establish the chain of custody showing how she obtained the samples. But for people to accept it, they have to believe her tale about how she got the DNA.[/u][/b]She can NOT establish the chain of custody after submitting the samples. During the process of collecting, shipping and testing the DNA samples she and the ones who submitted the DNA samples lost sight of them.Again:Chain of Custody refers to the chronological documentation or paper trail, showing the seizure, custody, control, transfer, analysis, and disposition of evidence. The Chain of Custody requires that from the moment the evidence is collected, every transfer of evidence from person to person be documented and that it be provable that nobody else could have accessed that evidence.Lois Smith gave her the cigarette butts, but can't possibly know what happened to them until Eliza shipped them to have them tested. Eliza can't possible know who had access to the cigarette butts during shipping.Donna Presley sent Eliza's children a sealed envelope with strands of her hair in it. Donna can't possibly know what happened to them while they were shipped, received by Eliza's children, when Eliza locked away the unsealed envelope and what happened to them while Eliza shipped them to have them tested. Eliza can't possibly know what happened to them either during the whole process.The exact same thing goes for Jesse's DNA samples.You can say that Eliza already has the evidence herself which she filed in court accompanied with a sworn statement where the samples came from, but a sworn statement does not equal Chain of Custody. The ONLY way to prove that these samples indeed came from the persons who say they came from is to perform new Legal Tests, and check if the DNA from the first test matches the second, Legal Test. Legal DNA testing is not expensive, you can get a Legal DNA Test as from $299 to $400.
Eliza can establish the chain of custody showing how she obtained the samples. But for people to accept it, they have to believe her tale about how she got the DNA.[/u][/b]
Eliza can establish the chain of custody showing how she obtained the samples. But for people to accept it, they have to believe her tale about how she got the DNA.
Quote from: "_Anna_"Quote from: "trublu" Have I missed something? Yes I have read the thread on Eliza but I just don't get how people can so easily forget everything we have learned about MJ and his 'death' over the last year an a half..not all of this was what TS said, I didn't come here because of TS, I came because I knew something wasn't right and things didn't add up. So does this mean you were all just here because of what TS said?[/u] And now there is doubt, MJ was murdered? Please help me understand this. Thank you.True. I came into the hoax side before even knowing about TS. And after I found out TS I said from the very beginning that it's something shady what I feel about him and his purpose, that my 6th sense which almost never fails me was telling me it's something bad, someone with bad intentions behind it. Since day 1.And yes, you are right, I myself, like many others I am not here because of TS. The clues we have don't come from TS. Almost none of the important ones.What happened lately here speaks fot itself, and shows how lies don't live long enough to become old. Sooner or later something has to spill the beans.The problem, i think, it is becuse the people who believe(d) TS blindly and trusted his intentions and took his "evidence" as EVIDENCE, they now fell down from a too high altitude.They hit the ground and they feel like the whole foundation is shaken. Shaken why? Because of TS? He never showed any proof and I keep saying that. People who now think that the whole situation is an illusion, if they do think like that, should do it based on other considerations and not on TS/TIAI.Weigh things and let aside TS. The ones who believe that TS was the base in it all no wonder they feel like they have no base now. The truth is that TS/TIAI never was the base.And if TS/TIAI has been doing a blackmailing mission then look what happened- it is revealed.Again: what exactly was revealed and what are the lies TS told us?
Quote from: "trublu" Have I missed something? Yes I have read the thread on Eliza but I just don't get how people can so easily forget everything we have learned about MJ and his 'death' over the last year an a half..not all of this was what TS said, I didn't come here because of TS, I came because I knew something wasn't right and things didn't add up. So does this mean you were all just here because of what TS said?[/u] And now there is doubt, MJ was murdered? Please help me understand this. Thank you.True. I came into the hoax side before even knowing about TS. And after I found out TS I said from the very beginning that it's something shady what I feel about him and his purpose, that my 6th sense which almost never fails me was telling me it's something bad, someone with bad intentions behind it. Since day 1.And yes, you are right, I myself, like many others I am not here because of TS. The clues we have don't come from TS. Almost none of the important ones.What happened lately here speaks fot itself, and shows how lies don't live long enough to become old. Sooner or later something has to spill the beans.The problem, i think, it is becuse the people who believe(d) TS blindly and trusted his intentions and took his "evidence" as EVIDENCE, they now fell down from a too high altitude.They hit the ground and they feel like the whole foundation is shaken. Shaken why? Because of TS? He never showed any proof and I keep saying that. People who now think that the whole situation is an illusion, if they do think like that, should do it based on other considerations and not on TS/TIAI.Weigh things and let aside TS. The ones who believe that TS was the base in it all no wonder they feel like they have no base now. The truth is that TS/TIAI never was the base.And if TS/TIAI has been doing a blackmailing mission then look what happened- it is revealed.
Have I missed something? Yes I have read the thread on Eliza but I just don't get how people can so easily forget everything we have learned about MJ and his 'death' over the last year an a half..not all of this was what TS said, I didn't come here because of TS, I came because I knew something wasn't right and things didn't add up. So does this mean you were all just here because of what TS said?[/u] And now there is doubt, MJ was murdered? Please help me understand this. Thank you.
1-10. Review of Evidences that TIAI is Genuine#1. MJ investigation complete, only two days after TIAI announced this update.#2. 333 pages of FBI files, planned release on same day as TIAI Revealed.#3. $9.99 while LaToya shopping, connecting with “99” days after 9-9-09.#4. Six 911 articles on TMZ, the day after TIAI conspiracies on Google (911, etc).#5. Murray on TMZ news four times, the same day as the TIAI Murray redirect.#6. Vendetta on 11-5; Evan Chandler / Emerald City on 11-17 (70th anniversary).#7. 2012 trailer, a week before “Jackson” and many other MJ parallels came out.#8. TII Resurrection scene in a graveyard (not funeral & casket, etc).#9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc).#10. TII would show the MJ “Return” (this very word is now on the DVD).#11. 1998 autograph codes; 77 days & 7 days all pointed to 9-9-09, and was fulfilled by several TII and MJ related events.
Quote from: "*Mo*"Quote from: "~Souza~"Eliza can establish the chain of custody showing how she obtained the samples. But for people to accept it, they have to believe her tale about how she got the DNA.[/u][/b]She can NOT establish the chain of custody after submitting the samples. During the process of collecting, shipping and testing the DNA samples she and the ones who submitted the DNA samples lost sight of them.Again:Chain of Custody refers to the chronological documentation or paper trail, showing the seizure, custody, control, transfer, analysis, and disposition of evidence. The Chain of Custody requires that from the moment the evidence is collected, every transfer of evidence from person to person be documented and that it be provable that nobody else could have accessed that evidence.Lois Smith gave her the cigarette butts, but can't possibly know what happened to them until Eliza shipped them to have them tested. Eliza can't possible know who had access to the cigarette butts during shipping.Donna Presley sent Eliza's children a sealed envelope with strands of her hair in it. Donna can't possibly know what happened to them while they were shipped, received by Eliza's children, when Eliza locked away the unsealed envelope and what happened to them while Eliza shipped them to have them tested. Eliza can't possibly know what happened to them either during the whole process.The exact same thing goes for Jesse's DNA samples.You can say that Eliza already has the evidence herself which she filed in court accompanied with a sworn statement where the samples came from, but a sworn statement does not equal Chain of Custody. The ONLY way to prove that these samples indeed came from the persons who say they came from is to perform new Legal Tests, and check if the DNA from the first test matches the second, Legal Test. Legal DNA testing is not expensive, you can get a Legal DNA Test as from $299 to $400. Why aren't you just admitting that you missed this? CLEARLY it has been there all along. As the Lawyer says: QuoteEliza can establish the chain of custody showing how she obtained the samples. But for people to accept it, they have to believe her tale about how she got the DNA.You attacked me for not posting it, I just showed you it was there all along. Maybe it is just right to say: Sorry Souza, you were right, we DID know it all along.[/color]
There have been many blogs and threads on Elvis forums already about the validity of the DNA evidence, so this is really nothing new.
Quote from: "Tarja"thisisalsoit.com is getting 776 pageviews per day and making USD 2.33 daily. thisisalsoit.com has 148 backlinks according to yahoo and currently not listed in Dmoz directory. thisisalsoit.com is hosted in United States at GoDaddy.com data center. thisisalsoit.com is most populer in ITALY. Estimeted worth of thisisalsoit.com is USD 1700.9 according to websiteoutlookso they also get money. This looks more "trustful" day by day. At this moment nothing could make me think they are not related to SONY to cover a crime. That's why TS is desperatelly promoting anything by SONY. It's horrible... I can't believe what's happeningI really can't believe what is happening on this board lately. What about relax and take a breath and THINK again?TS is not making money, he needs to sell that domain first, and who is paying 1700$ for it? No one. This site is worth a lot more, and I am not rich either.The 2.33$ a day is only when you have Google Ads on your site. TS doesn't even HAVE a site, so he doesn't make money with it. He only redirects.People are confused about TS because of some theories flying around, without a solid reason. Mo only posted that Eliza's DNA evidence hasn't been collected in a legal way, that changes nothing about the case itself, unless the judge decides that he needs more evidence than that. All of a sudden people forget everything TS has ever written. Mo can say that he can predict things only because he is connected to TMZ. That might be true, but that doesn't explain why TS has that much info about all things NOT connected with TMZ.TS had a plot to murder Mike with Sony? And they planned that for 20+ years? Or they knew Mike was planning this death hoax because Mike told them all? And so they disguised a double to appear on TV as Dave Dave? Okay...Oh, and the family are all cold-hearted bastards, because the promote the hoax as well, all of them! Not one person in the family loves him enough to make this stop? Instead they all laugh about it.Or TS is in on the hoax to fool us. In that case I would like to see someone debunk it all. I tried it, because I DO think for myself and do not just believe anything TS says, and I couldn't. Good luck with that.
thisisalsoit.com is getting 776 pageviews per day and making USD 2.33 daily. thisisalsoit.com has 148 backlinks according to yahoo and currently not listed in Dmoz directory. thisisalsoit.com is hosted in United States at GoDaddy.com data center. thisisalsoit.com is most populer in ITALY. Estimeted worth of thisisalsoit.com is USD 1700.9 according to websiteoutlookso they also get money. This looks more "trustful" day by day. At this moment nothing could make me think they are not related to SONY to cover a crime. That's why TS is desperatelly promoting anything by SONY. It's horrible... I can't believe what's happening
Quote from: "~Souza~"Quote from: "_Anna_"Quote from: "trublu" Have I missed something? Yes I have read the thread on Eliza but I just don't get how people can so easily forget everything we have learned about MJ and his 'death' over the last year an a half..not all of this was what TS said, I didn't come here because of TS, I came because I knew something wasn't right and things didn't add up. So does this mean you were all just here because of what TS said?[/u] And now there is doubt, MJ was murdered? Please help me understand this. Thank you.True. I came into the hoax side before even knowing about TS. And after I found out TS I said from the very beginning that it's something shady what I feel about him and his purpose, that my 6th sense which almost never fails me was telling me it's something bad, someone with bad intentions behind it. Since day 1.And yes, you are right, I myself, like many others I am not here because of TS. The clues we have don't come from TS. Almost none of the important ones.What happened lately here speaks fot itself, and shows how lies don't live long enough to become old. Sooner or later something has to spill the beans.The problem, i think, it is becuse the people who believe(d) TS blindly and trusted his intentions and took his "evidence" as EVIDENCE, they now fell down from a too high altitude.They hit the ground and they feel like the whole foundation is shaken. Shaken why? Because of TS? He never showed any proof and I keep saying that. People who now think that the whole situation is an illusion, if they do think like that, should do it based on other considerations and not on TS/TIAI.Weigh things and let aside TS. The ones who believe that TS was the base in it all no wonder they feel like they have no base now. The truth is that TS/TIAI never was the base.And if TS/TIAI has been doing a blackmailing mission then look what happened- it is revealed.Again: what exactly was revealed and what are the lies TS told us? These questions have been already answered....But let me try again:Quote1-10. Review of Evidences that TIAI is Genuine#1. MJ investigation complete, only two days after TIAI announced this update.#2. 333 pages of FBI files, planned release on same day as TIAI Revealed.#3. $9.99 while LaToya shopping, connecting with “99” days after 9-9-09.#4. Six 911 articles on TMZ, the day after TIAI conspiracies on Google (911, etc).#5. Murray on TMZ news four times, the same day as the TIAI Murray redirect.#6. Vendetta on 11-5; Evan Chandler / Emerald City on 11-17 (70th anniversary).#7. 2012 trailer, a week before “Jackson” and many other MJ parallels came out.#8. TII Resurrection scene in a graveyard (not funeral & casket, etc).#9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc).#10. TII would show the MJ “Return” (this very word is now on the DVD).#11. 1998 autograph codes; 77 days & 7 days all pointed to 9-9-09, and was fulfilled by several TII and MJ related events.TMZ...SONY.....TMZ....SONY......What he wrote in Update #6 and 9/9/10 is not correct.....and we have already explained why....Then..?The army of love is not new.... The Jacksons' tweet about it it's not on the main page anymore...“if u don't think our emotion is real, all I can do is pray for you. see truths when they r revealed to you. ur eyes don't lie - media does” this tweet doesn't prove ANYTHING...Memorial and Burial were organized by AEG, and Kenny Ortega, who spread lovely tweets, full of clues, but he suddenly disappeared after the release of TII in the cinemas.He wrote that MJ planned something big and innovative and at the same time he wanted to outthink Sony.... that huge innovating project was TII...... a SONY movie..TS gave us proofs that was an hoax and not a murder BUT all those proofs ARE weak and TMZ connected...Etc...Etc...Etc...
Quote from: "Puff"Quote from: "~Souza~"Quote from: "_Anna_"Quote from: "trublu" Have I missed something? Yes I have read the thread on Eliza but I just don't get how people can so easily forget everything we have learned about MJ and his 'death' over the last year an a half..not all of this was what TS said, I didn't come here because of TS, I came because I knew something wasn't right and things didn't add up. So does this mean you were all just here because of what TS said?[/u] And now there is doubt, MJ was murdered? Please help me understand this. Thank you.True. I came into the hoax side before even knowing about TS. And after I found out TS I said from the very beginning that it's something shady what I feel about him and his purpose, that my 6th sense which almost never fails me was telling me it's something bad, someone with bad intentions behind it. Since day 1.And yes, you are right, I myself, like many others I am not here because of TS. The clues we have don't come from TS. Almost none of the important ones.What happened lately here speaks fot itself, and shows how lies don't live long enough to become old. Sooner or later something has to spill the beans.The problem, i think, it is becuse the people who believe(d) TS blindly and trusted his intentions and took his "evidence" as EVIDENCE, they now fell down from a too high altitude.They hit the ground and they feel like the whole foundation is shaken. Shaken why? Because of TS? He never showed any proof and I keep saying that. People who now think that the whole situation is an illusion, if they do think like that, should do it based on other considerations and not on TS/TIAI.Weigh things and let aside TS. The ones who believe that TS was the base in it all no wonder they feel like they have no base now. The truth is that TS/TIAI never was the base.And if TS/TIAI has been doing a blackmailing mission then look what happened- it is revealed.Again: what exactly was revealed and what are the lies TS told us? These questions have been already answered....But let me try again:Quote1-10. Review of Evidences that TIAI is Genuine#1. MJ investigation complete, only two days after TIAI announced this update.#2. 333 pages of FBI files, planned release on same day as TIAI Revealed.#3. $9.99 while LaToya shopping, connecting with “99” days after 9-9-09.#4. Six 911 articles on TMZ, the day after TIAI conspiracies on Google (911, etc).#5. Murray on TMZ news four times, the same day as the TIAI Murray redirect.#6. Vendetta on 11-5; Evan Chandler / Emerald City on 11-17 (70th anniversary).#7. 2012 trailer, a week before “Jackson” and many other MJ parallels came out.#8. TII Resurrection scene in a graveyard (not funeral & casket, etc).#9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc).#10. TII would show the MJ “Return” (this very word is now on the DVD).#11. 1998 autograph codes; 77 days & 7 days all pointed to 9-9-09, and was fulfilled by several TII and MJ related events.TMZ...SONY.....TMZ....SONY......What he wrote in Update #6 and 9/9/10 is not correct.....and we have already explained why....Then..?The army of love is not new.... The Jacksons' tweet about it it's not on the main page anymore...“if u don't think our emotion is real, all I can do is pray for you. see truths when they r revealed to you. ur eyes don't lie - media does” this tweet doesn't prove ANYTHING...Memorial and Burial were organized by AEG, and Kenny Ortega, who spread lovely tweets, full of clues, but he suddenly disappeared after the release of TII in the cinemas.He wrote that MJ planned something big and innovative and at the same time he wanted to outthink Sony.... that huge innovating project was TII...... a SONY movie..TS gave us proofs that was an hoax and not a murder BUT all those proofs ARE weak and TMZ connected...Etc...Etc...Etc...So TMZ, SONY and the Jackson family are all in this together to cover up a crime?All this with huge clues and numerology witch Michael was involved in planing??Well that is just not realistic thinking... It simply just doesn't make sens.Connect the dots.
Quote from: "~Souza~"Quote from: "*Mo*"Quote from: "~Souza~"Eliza can establish the chain of custody showing how she obtained the samples. But for people to accept it, they have to believe her tale about how she got the DNA.[/u][/b]She can NOT establish the chain of custody after submitting the samples. During the process of collecting, shipping and testing the DNA samples she and the ones who submitted the DNA samples lost sight of them.Again:Chain of Custody refers to the chronological documentation or paper trail, showing the seizure, custody, control, transfer, analysis, and disposition of evidence. The Chain of Custody requires that from the moment the evidence is collected, every transfer of evidence from person to person be documented and that it be provable that nobody else could have accessed that evidence.Lois Smith gave her the cigarette butts, but can't possibly know what happened to them until Eliza shipped them to have them tested. Eliza can't possible know who had access to the cigarette butts during shipping.Donna Presley sent Eliza's children a sealed envelope with strands of her hair in it. Donna can't possibly know what happened to them while they were shipped, received by Eliza's children, when Eliza locked away the unsealed envelope and what happened to them while Eliza shipped them to have them tested. Eliza can't possibly know what happened to them either during the whole process.The exact same thing goes for Jesse's DNA samples.You can say that Eliza already has the evidence herself which she filed in court accompanied with a sworn statement where the samples came from, but a sworn statement does not equal Chain of Custody. The ONLY way to prove that these samples indeed came from the persons who say they came from is to perform new Legal Tests, and check if the DNA from the first test matches the second, Legal Test. Legal DNA testing is not expensive, you can get a Legal DNA Test as from $299 to $400. Why aren't you just admitting that you missed this? CLEARLY it has been there all along. As the Lawyer says: QuoteEliza can establish the chain of custody showing how she obtained the samples. But for people to accept it, they have to believe her tale about how she got the DNA.You attacked me for not posting it, I just showed you it was there all along. Maybe it is just right to say: Sorry Souza, you were right, we DID know it all along.[/color]You didn't see that before on Mayoras' blog either Quote from: "~Souza~"There have been many blogs and threads on Elvis forums already about the validity of the DNA evidence, so this is really nothing new.
At least I remembered reading it somewhere and took the effort to search for it before posting something that only causes confusion and prejudice. But I get it Mo: no sorry, no problem. Don't admit you were wrong, I'm fine with it all.So, according to some people Mike was murdered by TS, TMZ, the Jacksons and Sony and whoever more involved. Now that is a theory I would like to have seen worked out and making sense. Good luck with it. I'll stick to my own common sense if y'all don't mind. The whole hoax is now being questioned due to a post that clearly wasn't that well researched as people thought, because it missed one very important fact: we already knew that! After seeing the lack of common sense, the bashing of nearly everyone and the big turn towards murder, I wonder who is testing who here lately...
This is incredible, it really is. How many people REALLY put all their faith in TS and TIAI being 100% genuine? Show of hands? I chose to think he likely was, not because of the Elvis stuff or the numerology or the bible redirects (anyone could have done that), but because of the predictions he made which seemed to be accurate. Or at least pretty close. However never once did I get my hopes up that he was Michael or acting on behalf of him, because we simply don't know, he could be anyone. Nor did I come here every day hanging on his every word, hoping for another redirect. I took notice of them but they are not why I was ever here. And they weren't what I put my faith in, I put my faith in my own common sense.
Quote from: "~Souza~"At least I remembered reading it somewhere and took the effort to search for it before posting something that only causes confusion and prejudice. But I get it Mo: no sorry, no problem. Don't admit you were wrong, I'm fine with it all.So, according to some people Mike was murdered by TS, TMZ, the Jacksons and Sony and whoever more involved. Now that is a theory I would like to have seen worked out and making sense. Good luck with it. I'll stick to my own common sense if y'all don't mind. The whole hoax is now being questioned due to a post that clearly wasn't that well researched as people thought, because it missed one very important fact: we already knew that! After seeing the lack of common sense, the bashing of nearly everyone and the big turn towards murder, I wonder who is testing who here lately...It's not about who is right and who is wrong.. it's about sharing information.. We DIDN'T know that and not because we didn't read the probate lawyer's blog, but simply because that is NOT what we were looking for...You didn't read the probate blog either, otherwise it wouldn't have taken you 4 days to post it.If you knew these information even before Mo's post why haven't you shared them? I think it's a pretty huge thing and not a BSBTW I began questioning TS even before Mo's post....
Quote from: "Puff"Quote from: "~Souza~"At least I remembered reading it somewhere and took the effort to search for it before posting something that only causes confusion and prejudice. But I get it Mo: no sorry, no problem. Don't admit you were wrong, I'm fine with it all.So, according to some people Mike was murdered by TS, TMZ, the Jacksons and Sony and whoever more involved. Now that is a theory I would like to have seen worked out and making sense. Good luck with it. I'll stick to my own common sense if y'all don't mind. The whole hoax is now being questioned due to a post that clearly wasn't that well researched as people thought, because it missed one very important fact: we already knew that! After seeing the lack of common sense, the bashing of nearly everyone and the big turn towards murder, I wonder who is testing who here lately...It's not about who is right and who is wrong.. it's about sharing information.. We DIDN'T know that and not because we didn't read the probate lawyer's blog, but simply because that is NOT what we were looking for...You didn't read the probate blog either, otherwise it wouldn't have taken you 4 days to post it.If you knew these information even before Mo's post why haven't you shared them? I think it's a pretty huge thing and not a BSBTW I began questioning TS even before Mo's post....You could have known it, because it was on the blog all along. remember I read it on multiple blogs and I even discussed this with Mo moths ago. I was attacked for not sharing info, while all of us have already seen this, TS even shard this blog in his posts.For your information: I am pretty busy in my personal life at the moment and don't have time to defend myself when you or Mo are attacking me for things untrue every second of the day. Sometimes things in real life are more important and the hoax discussions need to be put on hold. You can not blame me for the fact that you both missed this information in the blogs. After people kept saying I withheld information, I started to search where I read the information and started with the blogs of the lawyers.My sincere apologies you had to wait 4 whole days for it, but you could have read the blogs yourselves. Since you were discussing what the lawyer had said, I assumed you did read the blogs. Apparently I was wrong, my bad. Never assume things.
We DIDN'T know that and not because we didn't read the probate lawyer's blog, but simply because that is NOT what we were looking for.