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Quote from: "navibl"Quote from: "Gema"Quote from: "navibl" Those who believe in nothing by default are drawn into evil because in the absence of no thought, Satan has a place to play, because he does roam the earth seeking whom he may devour regardless of belief in him or not.I strongly disagree with your quote above. I do not believe and I am not drawn into evil. I believe in human actions and care.I do not believe in any of them. God/Satan goes hand in hand. "Good" vs "evil".If I don´t believe in God how can I possible believe in Satan? Makes no sense.There is no such thing as Satan, is people with mental problems who creates hell on earth. Rewiring is essential, but from the core.QuoteIT REALLY IS ALL FOR LOVE!!!! And I love each and every one of you regardless of what you believe!! We are all God’s children regardless of belief in him or not!!By reading your post, it looks to me that LOVE would mean to convert? nah!People should love each other for the sake of it, not to win "heaven", not to be "safe" from evil or the end of the world. That´s pure conditioning and black mailing.I love you because I chose to do so, not because a book or faith or a concept tells me to do so. That´s slavery.hmmmm...OK so if there is not good or evil then there is no need for love either..what is love? I could hate you and do just as well right? or just simply ingnor the fact that you even exist, because don't believe in you!! Is there a judicidal system were you come from? I hope not, because if you break the law/evil you will go to prison regardless of believeing in it or not.No, it's not in your survival interest to hate anyone. It's a evolutionary success trait to be popular and have many friends. Well liked individuals that are accepted into a group will be able to share the resources obtained by the group instead of fending for themselves. The well liked and popular people are more likely to live longer, stay healthy, and have more babies thus giving birth to more people who are likely to be popular too. Beyond that there is a moral code that has existed since mankind began to live in urban city groups of behavior that is and is not tolerated in civilized society. Anarchy never works. Though shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, are not original inventions of Moses's 10 commandments, they are ancient common laws.Beyond that there's a certain ethics in which you are taught starting with your parents, your teachers, your peers, later your employers, and the world around you, we never stop learning this lesson. Ways to behave, say please and thank you, don't be selfish, consider other people's feelings, play fair, don't hit, always ask permission, don't be late, return phone calls, pay your bills, etc... religion is not alone in teaching people the right way to live in peace with each other.
Quote from: "Gema"Quote from: "navibl" Those who believe in nothing by default are drawn into evil because in the absence of no thought, Satan has a place to play, because he does roam the earth seeking whom he may devour regardless of belief in him or not.I strongly disagree with your quote above. I do not believe and I am not drawn into evil. I believe in human actions and care.I do not believe in any of them. God/Satan goes hand in hand. "Good" vs "evil".If I don´t believe in God how can I possible believe in Satan? Makes no sense.There is no such thing as Satan, is people with mental problems who creates hell on earth. Rewiring is essential, but from the core.QuoteIT REALLY IS ALL FOR LOVE!!!! And I love each and every one of you regardless of what you believe!! We are all God’s children regardless of belief in him or not!!By reading your post, it looks to me that LOVE would mean to convert? nah!People should love each other for the sake of it, not to win "heaven", not to be "safe" from evil or the end of the world. That´s pure conditioning and black mailing.I love you because I chose to do so, not because a book or faith or a concept tells me to do so. That´s slavery.hmmmm...OK so if there is not good or evil then there is no need for love either..what is love? I could hate you and do just as well right? or just simply ingnor the fact that you even exist, because don't believe in you!! Is there a judicidal system were you come from? I hope not, because if you break the law/evil you will go to prison regardless of believeing in it or not.
Quote from: "navibl" Those who believe in nothing by default are drawn into evil because in the absence of no thought, Satan has a place to play, because he does roam the earth seeking whom he may devour regardless of belief in him or not.I strongly disagree with your quote above. I do not believe and I am not drawn into evil. I believe in human actions and care.I do not believe in any of them. God/Satan goes hand in hand. "Good" vs "evil".If I don´t believe in God how can I possible believe in Satan? Makes no sense.There is no such thing as Satan, is people with mental problems who creates hell on earth. Rewiring is essential, but from the core.QuoteIT REALLY IS ALL FOR LOVE!!!! And I love each and every one of you regardless of what you believe!! We are all God’s children regardless of belief in him or not!!By reading your post, it looks to me that LOVE would mean to convert? nah!People should love each other for the sake of it, not to win "heaven", not to be "safe" from evil or the end of the world. That´s pure conditioning and black mailing.I love you because I chose to do so, not because a book or faith or a concept tells me to do so. That´s slavery.
Those who believe in nothing by default are drawn into evil because in the absence of no thought, Satan has a place to play, because he does roam the earth seeking whom he may devour regardless of belief in him or not.
IT REALLY IS ALL FOR LOVE!!!! And I love each and every one of you regardless of what you believe!! We are all God’s children regardless of belief in him or not!!
Well that's true navibl but religion won't save mankind. Only mankind can save mankind. How fortunate we are that MJ is using his death hoax to give mankind a little shove in that direction.
Quote from: "trublu"Quote from: "navibl" Those who believe in nothing by default are drawn into evil because in the absence of no thought, Satan has a place to play, because he does roam the earth seeking whom he may devour regardless of belief in him or not.When you believe in nothing what do you mean? Nothing as in God? I believe in evolution and nature. I am a kind person who tries my very best to help people. Am I drawn into Evil? I'm finding it difficult to understand maybe because of the language. If you could explain I would be very grateful. Thanks.I guess believing in nature and evolution is believing in something, there just doesn't seem to be much substance or hope! For the poor unfortunate people who nature has not been so good to, and have evolved into pain and desease and poverty and lack, war and destruction. I guess they have nothing to really look forward to in life, just a mere pittful exsistance, because when they die they go from being helpless and without to rotting in the ground. I don't really think I could get through the day with that belief. I would want to put an end to it all if I had no hope of a restored resurrected body that would live in divine glory with my loving heavenly creator for enternity. Maybe that is why thousands of people commit suicide each day!!! No hope of a better life! Or would I come back as a frog!! Just need to understand where I am evolving to!! How sad! I prefer a choice of Good and Evil, to not have that choice is true slavery!!! That is why God gave us that choice, he didn't create slaves. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Quote from: "navibl" Those who believe in nothing by default are drawn into evil because in the absence of no thought, Satan has a place to play, because he does roam the earth seeking whom he may devour regardless of belief in him or not.When you believe in nothing what do you mean? Nothing as in God? I believe in evolution and nature. I am a kind person who tries my very best to help people. Am I drawn into Evil? I'm finding it difficult to understand maybe because of the language. If you could explain I would be very grateful. Thanks.
I think this is being blown way out of proportion. Anna asked a question (well, several):Quote from: "_Anna_"I will put it this way: if God can make things happen and is managing life's situations, then why did Michael have to suffer like that? Why did he have to be humiliated, ridiculed and have his heart thrown in the dirt when he is innocent? Since the very beginning, why did he have to suffer like that, what did he ever do wrong to have God put such weight on his shoulders? Admittedly, they may have been rhetorical ones but the point is that TS answered her query by redirecting to Job, an upright and righteous man who has done nothing wrong yet went through humiliation and ridicule—all according to "God's" plan. "God" allowed "Satan" to bring all sorts of calamities, suffering, and adversity into his life to test his character and faith. From what I've read, "God" deliberately allows for adversity in order to shape his believers into the people he wants/needs them to be.I'm not a religious person either, but I have read the literature (still in the process of finishing it actually). Reading a book doesn't automatically make you an adherent of any religion. Becoming part of a religion is a conscious choice. If you reassure yourself why you believe (or don't believe) what you do, I don't see how reading the bible (or TS' redirects) could unwillingly brainwash you. Mind-control is a legitimate and understandable concern. The more I read your posts, however, the more I see a classic case of prejudice. To use you as an example Anna, you're allowing an individual's interpretation of a book (and how they applied that interpretation) to define your opinion of the book, a book that you have no intention of personally acquainting yourself with first-hand, yet you still have formulated an opinion about it without getting to know it. This same prejudice, to this day, has people believing that Michael is a pedophile. They have no intention of acquainting themselves with Michael's true character nor, more importantly, what actually happened in 1993 and 2005. They flat out refuse to get to know Michael or familiarize themselves with the settlement in 1993 and the 2005 court case, and instead rely on the media's interpretation of what happened, the media's interpretation of Michael.And I say all this, not to imply that you need to read the bible, but to say that you shouldn't let your personal prejudices hinder you from seeing what's actually being said; don't let the source of the information throw you off and more importantly don't let anyone elses' interpretations (but your own) define your reality.Quote from: "_Anna_"Quote from: "Sarahli"And what if the Bible is also Michael's message?It could be, I don't know, only he knows.. But now, do you think Michael would try to express himself through the Bible? why would he try to push his beliefs on people?Well, to put myself in Michael's shoes, he seems to have a true and genuine concern for people; if he wholeheartedly believed the bible, why wouldn't he warn those he loved?
I will put it this way: if God can make things happen and is managing life's situations, then why did Michael have to suffer like that? Why did he have to be humiliated, ridiculed and have his heart thrown in the dirt when he is innocent? Since the very beginning, why did he have to suffer like that, what did he ever do wrong to have God put such weight on his shoulders?
Quote from: "Sarahli"And what if the Bible is also Michael's message?It could be, I don't know, only he knows.. But now, do you think Michael would try to express himself through the Bible? why would he try to push his beliefs on people?
And what if the Bible is also Michael's message?
Quote from: "lilwendy"There IS a message. What do we believe that message is? If we believe TS, he has told us already that MJ's plan is to turn the NWO upside down, that we are in critical times (end of the world), that MJ reads his Bible daily, etc. can you please tell me where can I see with my eyes Michael stating he reads Bible daily? I just want to see with my eyes. Because I've read this sentence about Michael reading the Bible daily and who said that was Ian Halperin.If you know what I mean.As long as I don't see Michael saying with his own mouth "I read Bible daily", I don't believe it. I know it might sound harsh but it's how I think. I don't believe anybody who makes statements about him. Only he can know what he does inside his home.And I've never seen Michael with my own eyes saying he reads the Bible daily.Isn't it like this- to not believe anything you hear or see, and just because it's printed in black ink doesn't make it the gospel. "When you hear it from my mouth, then you can believe it"- Michael
There IS a message. What do we believe that message is? If we believe TS, he has told us already that MJ's plan is to turn the NWO upside down, that we are in critical times (end of the world), that MJ reads his Bible daily, etc.
Navibl:I think it's very wrong to suggest those who do not have a religious faith are leading empty lives and are by default "drawn to the devil". That kind of talk incites hatred on both sides. I am not religious but I have always lived my life the way I think is right, to be a good, honest, compassionate person who would help anyone in need and who treasures their children and tries to instill the same moral values in them. I think navibl you said it all when you said you couldn't get through the day knowing there was nothing after this life but to rot in the ground, that's what religion is for many people it's a security blanket of sorts, it makes it easier to get through the day if you believe you were put here for a purpose. That's entirely your choice to believe that but to suggest those who don't are misguided or desolate is plain wrong. I've said before it's pointless to get into arguments about religion but when someone says something so irresponsible I won't just ignore it. As Trublu pointed out there are so many religions and how can you say yours is the right one? You can't, anyone who has a religious belief no matter what it is believes theirs is the right one. So much suffering in the world is caused by this very argument. I think the least we can do is try not to judge each other in the same way.