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What an unexpected twist for this story! MJ sure knows how to hold an audience. I'm thinking there may be other cryptic messages in it. Tell me what you think of this--maybe I'm crazy:

This no-hand business made me think of these Bible verses. King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon dreamed a dream about end times (today) and Daniel the Israelite prophet in captivity interpreted the dream for him. Daniel 2:28-47. This great image or statue of a man composed of different parts of gold, silver, brass, iron and clay, representing ruling kingdoms or civilizations in our history from 586 BC up to present. He says God will raise up supernaturally (made without hands) a stone which is Christ and His return to destroy all the evil power structures on earth. At that time He will rule the earth with a rod of iron with justice and peace.

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27Daniel answered in the presence of the king, and said, The secret which the king hath demanded cannot the wise men, the astrologers, the magicians, the soothsayers, shew unto the king;

 28But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days(now). Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;

 29As for thee, O king, thy thoughts came into thy mind upon thy bed, what should come to pass hereafter: and he that revealeth secrets maketh known to thee what shall come to pass.

 30But as for me, this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I have more than any living, but for their sakes that shall make known the interpretation to the king, and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart.

 31Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible.

 32This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass,

 33His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.

 34Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

 35Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

 36This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.

 37Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.

 38And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.

 39And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

 40And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

 41And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

 42And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

 43And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.  (This is an interesting sentence because it implies something alien or non-human living amongst mankind in the latter days but not able to genetically mix--controversial, makes you think about all the alien movies we see today)
 44And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

 45Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

 46Then the king Nebuchadnezzar fell upon his face, and worshipped Daniel, and commanded that they should offer an oblation and sweet odours unto him.

 47The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.
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What an unexpected twist for this story! MJ sure knows how to hold an audience. I'm thinking there may be other cryptic messages in it. Tell me what you think of this--maybe I'm crazy:

This no-hand business made me think of these Bible verses. King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon dreamed a dream about end times (today) and Daniel the Israelite prophet in captivity interpreted the dream for him. Daniel 2:28-47. This great image or statue of a man composed of different parts of gold, silver, brass, iron and clay, representing ruling kingdoms or civilizations in our history from 586 BC up to present. He says God will raise up supernaturally (made without hands) a stone which is Christ and His return to destroy all the evil power structures on earth. At that time He will rule the earth with a rod of iron with justice and peace.

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27Daniel answered in the presence of the king, and said, The secret which the king hath demanded cannot the wise men, the astrologers, the magicians, the soothsayers, shew unto the king;

 28But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days(now). Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;

 29As for thee, O king, thy thoughts came into thy mind upon thy bed, what should come to pass hereafter: and he that revealeth secrets maketh known to thee what shall come to pass.

 30But as for me, this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I have more than any living, but for their sakes that shall make known the interpretation to the king, and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy heart.

 31Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible.

 32This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass,

 33His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.

 34Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

 35Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

 36This is the dream; and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.

 37Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory.

 38And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.

 39And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.

 40And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

 41And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

 42And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

 43And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.  (This is an interesting sentence because it implies something alien or non-human living amongst mankind in the latter days but not able to genetically mix--controversial, makes you think about all the alien movies we see today)
 44And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

 45Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

 46Then the king Nebuchadnezzar fell upon his face, and worshipped Daniel, and commanded that they should offer an oblation and sweet odours unto him.

 47The king answered unto Daniel, and said, Of a truth it is, that your God is a God of gods, and a Lord of kings, and a revealer of secrets, seeing thou couldest reveal this secret.


I think this is a brilliant connection!  We'll have to wait and see but it would explain the obvious connection to a "dream" that has been evident throughout the hoax; at least very evident to me.  Very, very good thinking!   :D
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I think this is a brilliant connection!  We'll have to wait and see but it would explain the obvious connection to a "dream" that has been evident throughout the hoax; at least very evident to me.  Very, very good thinking!   :D

Thanks! Now you've got me curious. What dream?
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I think this is a brilliant connection!  We'll have to wait and see but it would explain the obvious connection to a "dream" that has been evident throughout the hoax; at least very evident to me.  Very, very good thinking!   :D

Thanks! Now you've got me curious. What dream?

I made an extensive post about this back in January after the season finale of Jack5on Family Dynasty.  I'm helen on the LKL blog and I had posted this information on Larry King Live after the finale and a user here copied it onto this forum.  It's always been my take on this hoax.  In addition, Jodi Gomes tweeted immediately after the finale about dreaming and she has often referred to the Jacksons as the keeper of the dream.  I think there is going to be a movie or something called The Jacksons: An American Dream - Part 2.  And it also ties into TDRCAU and "I have a dream."  Anyway, here is the thread...

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p.s. @mjonmind  I just want to add that I'm friends with jodi gomes on Facebook and she is currently filming more episodes with the Jacksons.  It hasn't been announced publically yet, but they are.  At the ending of the finale, we weren't told what the dream was, when the show resumes in season two, it will be episode #7.
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I remember reading that thread long ago, very interesting reading it again. That's sounds like the main dream of this hoax, that Michael's dead, but not in reality. Like the movie Inception, we're all in this dream together. Then BAM!! we'll all wake up :o  :D .  I wouldn't think that would be related to the Nebuchadnezzar dream above, but who knows...
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