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Re: Howard Mann - Let's Investigate This!
November 12, 2010, 04:32:52 PM
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I have been looking in youtube for a video where MJ is interviewed (2005?) and he is questioned about H.Mann about if he knew in what kind of business this man was involved.

Do you remember? The video is shoot in a hotel. MJ is sitting on a couch.

And yes, he bought Vaccaro´s MJs memorabilia.
Actually Gema it appears that Vaccaro still owns the memorabilia and is a partner of Howard Mann.

[attachment=0:1rci20gc]KJ HW Contract.jpg[/attachment:1rci20gc]

More About The 273 Jackson Master Tapes
7/03/2010
It's been reported in the media that Howard Mann, Katherine Jackson's new business partner bought a warehouse of Jackson memorablia including 273 tapes of unreleased Jackson songs.

According to my information these are the same memorablias as owned by Henry Vaccaro, who is in several litigations over the items. Vaccaro claims in a June 30th, 2010 court paper that his company (Vintage Associates LLC) still owns the property. He most likely owns the above mentioned master tapes as well, as a result of a 2009 settlement with it's previous holder.

This means that Mann couldn't buy the songs, but most likely teamed up with Vaccaro and others to exploit the warehouse's content. For that purpose three new entities has been setup in California (VINTAGE POP MEDIA GROUP, LLC - VINTAGE POP MEDIA MUSIC, LLC - VINTAGE POP MEDIA ONLINE, LLC). No information on the exact ownership of these companies.
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Vaccaro still has material. He is posting a lot in his youtube channel.

When the snippets of the new songs came out, the 1st thing i did as to check on Vaccaro´s site and he had uploaded 6 snippets already  :shock:
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("Minkin güerveeeee")
Michael pls come back


"Why a four-year-old child could understand this hoax. Run out and find me a four-year-old child. I can't make head nor tail out of it"

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Re: Howard Mann - Let's Investigate This!
November 12, 2010, 04:33:22 PM
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Go Daddy Sued for $100 Mil for Aiding MJ Casino

8/3/2010 12:40 AM PDT by TMZ Staff

A $100 million war has erupted over the unauthorized Michael Jackson online casino — and now GoDaddy.com could be on the hook for allowing the casino owner to register the site with them.

GoDaddy Lawsuit - Michael Jackson Casino

The man behind the lawsuit is Howard Mannwho claims he owns the copyright to the photos featured on MichaelJacksonCasino.com … an online gambling site created by a person who’s managed to conceal his or her identity.

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Michael Jackson Casino — Playing with Fire

8/2/2010 12:20 AM PDT by TMZ Staff

Some wannabe gambling tycoons have just opened an unauthorized Michael Jackson Casino online … and TMZ has learned the real MJ Estate is ready to declare casino war in order to shut ‘em down.

Michael Jackson Casino

The gambling site — which features everything from poker to baccarat — features MJ’s image and a message on the home page that reads, “The King of Pop is proud to bring you the most exciting Vegas style online casino betting experience on the Net!”

Problem is — the estate claims never gave the online casino the green light to use any of their trademarks … and now Howard Weitzman — the attorney for Michael Jackson’s estate — tells us he will, “take whatever legal actions are necessary to shut this operation down.”

Vintage Pop Projects - Updates
8/15/2010
Few weeks ago I wrote about who is behind one of the recent Jackson Family projects. Now I have more information on this business venture.

As I talked about it many times in the past, the biggest Jackson Family memorabilia collection is owned by a New Jersey businessman, named Henry Vaccaro. He took over the items after years of litigations with the Jacksons over a failed business venture. It is a very complicated and sad story. MJ's lawyers went through all the items at least two times over the years to remove all the personal items of MJ, as a family member who wasn't involved in the lawsuits. Though the collection still consists some of old stuff.

Despite recent media reports, Vaccaro still claims ownership over all the items. He somehow teamed up with a Canadian businessman, named Howard Mann and set up at least 3 entities in California to present the public with the items through different ways, and of course earn good money on them.

Mann got in touch with Katherine and Joe, and got their approval on using the items. It was an important move for Vaccaro and Mann, because having the Jackson parents on their side protected them from the Estate's public and legal battle. Mann set up a company along with Katherine and Joe in Delaware called "Never Can Say Goodby LLC" for the purpose of releasing a book full of old pictures, a calendar and other merchandises. Recently they attached a DVD interview with Katherine to the book.

It is very clear that Vaccaro and Mann are violating MJ's rights owned only by his Estate. They might own items related to MJ, but they can not sell his image for money. And they know it. The whole structure of the companies owned by them, the fact that they involved the Jackson parents, and that Vaccaro could not do any money out of the collection over the years prooves that. But most importantly a recent legal action against a website, called MichaelJacksonCasino.com. Their lawyer unnecessary refers to a previous legal battle between Vaccaro and MJ in the documents. On other parts they refer to the Estate as a similar entity to theirs. The only reason why they do it is to make clear for the Estate, "you can not do anything with us", and to plaint in the public that they are also owners of any MJ related rights. Come on, who cares about a stupid whitelabel casino website that's been there for years? Once they successfully defend MJ's rights on court, they will be able to pretend like an other legal entity to explore MJ's likeness.
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Lawsuit Details
   
RFC Case Number:    C-V10-1190M
Court Case Number:    8:10-cv-01190-AG -MLG
File Date:    Friday, August 06, 2010
Plaintiff:    Vintage Pop Media Group LLC
Plaintiff Counsel:    Larry Rothman of Rothman & Associates, Lee H. Durst of The Durst Firm
Defendant:    Michaeljacksoncasino.com,  Godaddy.com
Does 1-10
Cause:    17:101 Copyright Infringement
Court:    California Central District Court
Judge:    Judge Andrew J. Guilford
Referred To: Magistrate Judge Marc L. Goldman

8/6/2010    3    NOTICE TO COUNSEL RE: Copyright, Patent and Trademark Reporting Requirements. Counsel shall file the appropriate AO-120 and/or AO-121 form with the Clerk within 10 days. (lwag) (Entered: 08/10/2010)

8/6/2010    2    CERTIFICATE of Interested Parties filed by Plaintiff Vintage Pop Media Group LLC. (lwag) (Entered: 08/10/2010)

8/6/2010    1    COMPLAINT against Defendants MICHAELJACKSONCASINO.COM, GODADDY.COM and DOES. Case assigned to Judge Andrew J. Guilford for all further proceedings. Discovery referred to Magistrate Judge Marc L. Goldman.(Filing fee $ 350 Paid). Jury Demanded. Filed by Plaintiff Vintage Pop Media Group LLC.(lwag) (Entered: 08/10/2010)

8/6/2010    21 DAY Summons Issued re Complaint - (Discovery), Complaint - (Discovery) 1 as to Defendants GODADDY.COM and MICHAELJACKSONCASINO.COM. (lwag) (Entered: 08/10/2010)
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Vintage Pop Media vs. MichaelJacksonCasino.com Case Dismissed
9/04/2010
On August 31, 2010 the Judge presiding in the case said the followings: "Plaintiff’s complaint appears to relate to what has been called the mortgage crisis in our country. Many similar complaints have been filed in this Court. Based on what has
occurred in those cases, the Court is concerned that (1) all parties to the case receive a proper review of their claims in court, (2) no party is forced to spend unnecessary time
and expense on this case, and (3) there is compliance with the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, including Rule 11(b). The Court orders the following to achieve these goals and to avoid an early, unfair dismissal with prejudice."

Three day later Vintage Pop Media asked for a dismissal in the case. Now say if this case was good for anything but getting your 15 minutes of fame.
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Re: Howard Mann - Let's Investigate This!
November 12, 2010, 05:01:57 PM
Howard Mann & Sonia Lowe did an interview that is posted on Oprah's website:

Never Can Say Goodbye: A Tribute to Michael Jackson
The Oprah Winfrey Show  |  November 08, 2010

As a collaborator on Katherine Jackson's book about her son Michael, Never Can Say Goodbye, Howard Mann has gotten to know the Jackson family intimately. Here, he and colleague Sonia Lowe of Vintage Pop Media open up about their work on the book and what readers can expect to find inside those very personal pages.

What was it like working with Katherine Jackson on such a personal project?

Working with Mrs. Jackson was surreal at first, but as we got to know her, it's quite easy to lose sight of who she is because she is so incredibly grounded, humble and welcoming of us into her home and her family. We arrived, and she served us milk and cookies and shared funny, touching and tragic moments with us. Working with her on such a personal project was nothing short of amazing!

What's your favorite memory that's shared in the book?

There are so many special memories and moments in the book, and as an avid fan, it is hard to pick the best one. But, I guess, my favorite is when Michael surprised Katherine on a trip to New York City where he took her to an airport to show her the lineup of food, supplies and charted jets he sent to Africa, as he held up on his promise to "do something" about the starving children there.

Howard Mann on Michael Jackson's legacy and what will surprise readers about Never Can Say Goodbye

How did you choose what to edit out of the book?

We tried to build stories as chronologically as possible, and we tried to foster a good mix of family photos and Michael onstage as well. So sticking to a theme was one way to edit the photo selection process. We looked for shots the fans have not seen before, but also ones that tell a story.

What will people be most surprised about by Never Can Say Goodbye?

I think people will be most surprised by the personal moments and photos that Never Can Say Goodbye provides. The book takes the reader on a journey from childhood to superstardom and most of the moments in between. Katherine has several messages she wanted to deliver to Michael Jackson fans, and the reader will surely gain a more intimate perspective of Michael Jackson.

What do you hope people will learn about Michael and the Jackson family by reading this book?

The same thing that we've experienced in the past year getting to know the Jacksons: that they are not at all the people the tabloid media make them out to be. Mrs. Jackson in particular is one of the sweetest, kindest and most respectful people we've ever met. She is incredibly strong yet humble for what she has dealt with in her lifetime.
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Re: Howard Mann - Let's Investigate This!
November 12, 2010, 05:18:46 PM
More marketing coming our way....

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Howard Mann's biz contract with Ms. Katherine
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"Copyright@2009 Vintage Pop Media, LLC"

I thought that the biz name was weird, especially using the 2009 date in 2010. MJ went missing in 2009.
So, I wiki the @
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@ is also sometimes used (e.g. in articles about missing persons, obituaries, brief reports) to denote an alias after a person's proper name; for instance: "John Smith @ Jean Smyth" (a possible abbreviation of aka).

Who are the LLC owners??? MJ? ;)  

Did Randy Janckson bring in Mann????

idk, Henry Mann bought MJ memorabillia in Vaccaro bankruptcy??? MJ and bankruptcy are oxymorons.
why did Henry Vaccaro go bankrupt with a warehouse full of MJ memorabilla?
I'm not posting the wiki sleaze on vacarro dude, yuk.

Vaccaro is all over Youtube, he is close to music biz....  

[youtube:2m4gmxcs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw6qyenrmHM[/youtube:2m4gmxcs]
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Re: Howard Mann - Let's Investigate This!
November 12, 2010, 05:58:17 PM
I want to point out a few things that have stood out for me so far.

From Howard Mann's Press release in regards to the controversy about the song "Opus None"

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when in reality the song turned out to be solely a remake or remix of an old Jackson track titled “Destiny".

I compared the vocals between the two recordings and though "Opus None" uses some of the same lyrics as "Destiny" they were not recorded at the same time. IMO it is a remake of the song and not a remix.

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We grabbed the track from a series of masters we own and researched the title and found no listed release titled “Opis None” in the MJ releases and I felt it sounded like such a weird track for an MJ song, the fans would get a kick out of it.

As it seems, Vaccaro actually still owns the 273 tracks so that is who "we" is. This statement also seems to be indicating the recording was strange and that maybe they didn't do to much to it before releasing it because it already sounded unusual. Therefore, Michael recorded this version of "Destiny", renaming it "Opus None" and it was done for a reason. Now Katherine did not give her actual approval for the release of this song but she doesn't have to, they own the tracks. They "used" her in the release of this because she is partnered with them and for marketing reasons of course. I haven't read the contract throughly, so I am not sure if they can just attached her name to things they decide to do.  

This also raises the question for me, "If Michael made recordings that are relevant to the hoax, songs that contain clues but these guys have possession of them, how does he get them out into the public?" This may be part of the reason for the "partnership" with Katherine.

121 Ventures - The company Mann owns has the ability to create media productions, including green screen and audio & video productions. They are also able to deliver these via satellite technology. This I find very interesting indeed.
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* 2,500 sound / shooting stage
* Green screen wall
* Complete lighting, cameras, operators
* High-definition audio & video recording capabilities
* High-definition AVID & Studio-Pro editing capabilities
* Combined 30-year experience in digital media production, management and distribution

Distribution
* InDemand
* EchoStar
* Dish Networks
* Viewer's Choice

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Mrs. Jackson sat down for this ,interview with Sonia Lowe an occasional journalist with whom she’s in the process of publishing this coffee-table book of personal memories

I didn't find anything written by Sonia Lowe as a "journalist" so it seems she is playing a "role" (acting?). Sonia Lowe interviewed Katherine, that means only what questions they wanted asked and answered were in the interview. It was scripted.

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NBC News purchased the rights to the interview from the production company that made it. Mrs. Jackson says she gave the interview not just to promote her book, but because she hoped that sitting down for only one interview

NBC aired this interview on their show 'Dateline' but they had no control over the content at all, it was prerecorded. Only what they wanted to get out there was in it...scripted. This interview sounds a lot like the Oprah interview, the same questions and answers and obviously Katherine gave more than one interview which is also required by her contract with VPM (Mann/Vaccarro). It seems that Katherine may have had time to memorize and prepare her lines...again scripted. I also have the feeling that maybe Mann or Lowe was present at this interview and perhaps they are responsible for the pictures on TMZ, which appear to have been taken by a cell phone. All in the name of press coverage and marketing.

We definitely have some manipulation of the media going on here...

Edit: and this

[/quote]Those audio recordings, transcribed and written by Sonia Lowe, became the copy for the book.[/quote]
Sonia Lowe did the interview which became the book but where did the questions come from and who is Sonia Lowe?
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Re: Howard Mann - Let's Investigate This!
November 12, 2010, 06:19:09 PM
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Fashion, Art, & someday, much more. (fashion editor, Anokhi Mag)

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So there are few articles by Sonia Lowe on the magazine's website.

Anokhi Magazine
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What tinsel town has in store for fall fashion
LA Fashion week Coverage - by Sonia Lowe
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Toronto Design Team Stephen Wong and Kirk Pickersgill Know Something Others Don't.
AN EVENING WITH EZRA by Sonia Lowe
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I am not the Police: Annie Thompson infiltrates India by Sonia Lowe
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Sonia Lowe
Sonia Lowe’s Experience
    *Fashion Editor
      Anokhi Magazine
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      Currently holds this position
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Sonia Lowe - Bio



A Published writer, Sonia Lowe’s work can be found between the health & beauty pages of Canada’s Viva Magazine. Being a former make-up artist has made the transition into writing as a beauty expert a smooth one, though Lowe hopes to expand her repertoire in Fashion journalism and travel. An Artist by trade, this Toronto native also exercises her talents as a graphic illustrator. Some of her work can be seen at artbysonia.com and sonialowe.com
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Re: Howard Mann - Let's Investigate This!
November 12, 2010, 09:51:56 PM
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Here is a tidbit of more information re: Vintage Pop Media:

Business Entity Detail
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Data is updated weekly and is current as of Friday, November 05, 2010. It is not a complete or certified record of the entity.

Entity Name: VINTAGE POP MEDIA MUSIC, LLC
Entity Number: 200932110101
Date Filed: 11/16/2009
Status: ACTIVE
Jurisdiction: CALIFORNIA
Entity Address: 20434 S SANTA FE AVE
Entity City, State, Zip: LONG BEACH CA 90810
Agent for Service of Process: MARVIN EPSTEIN
Agent Address: 20434 S SANTA FE AVE
Agent City, State, Zip: LONG BEACH CA 90810

So the Company was incorporated on November 16, 2009, yet they have agreements with their name on it dated February 3, 2009, it could be a typo - however, this agreement just seems really "off" to me.  If we can find documents or news stories with Vintage Pop Media prior to November 16, 2009 then something is not right.  I don't know who Marvin Epstein, I googled and the only thing that might be him is this on the google search:

Entity Name: VINTAGE POP MEDIA MUSIC, LLC
Entity Number: 200932110101
Date Filed: 11/16/2009
Status: ACTIVE
Jurisdiction: CALIFORNIA
Entity Address: 20434 S SANTA FE AVE
Entity City, State, Zip: LONG BEACH CA 90810
Agent for Service of Process: MARVIN EPSTEIN
Agent Address: 20434 S SANTA FE AVE
Agent City, State, Zip: LONG BEACH CA 90810


Cars for movies!


Focus on Cars
20434 S. Santa Fe Ave.
Long Beach, CA 90810
310.762.1370

The Ultimate Car Prep Company
23 Years of Continuous Operations
On-Site Shooting/Filming Capability at South Bay Studios
Comprehensive Security
Fabrication and Engineering
Specialty Rigging: “RIG TECH”
Company Personnel Training Programs
Full Automotive Painting Facility
Electronics Department
Detail Department
Graphics and Art Department
Dedicated Quality Control Department
Domestic and International Location Logistics
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And a film studio!


South Bay Studios
20434 S. Santa Fe Ave.
Long Beach, CA 90810
310.762.1360

15 STAGES- From Table Top to Feature Film
FISHER LIGHT / FLATS - Pre-Rigged on All Stages
Stage 2:
Motion Control Turntable
Height Adjustable (0"-4')
Custom Fisher Box
3 Wall Cyc.

Expendable Store
Concrete Floors
Grip & Lighting
Turntables On-Site
Auto Prep Co.
Fisher on Automated Gantry Systems
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Re: Howard Mann - Let's Investigate This!
November 12, 2010, 11:19:36 PM
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Entity Name: VINTAGE POP MEDIA MUSIC, LLC
Entity Number: 200932110101
Date Filed: 11/16/2009
Status: ACTIVE
Jurisdiction: CALIFORNIA
Entity Address: 20434 S SANTA FE AVE
Entity City, State, Zip: LONG BEACH CA 90810
Agent for Service of Process: MARVIN EPSTEIN
Agent Address: 20434 S SANTA FE AVE
Agent City, State, Zip: LONG BEACH CA 90810


Cars for movies!


Focus on Cars
20434 S. Santa Fe Ave.
Long Beach, CA 90810
310.762.1370

The Ultimate Car Prep Company
23 Years of Continuous Operations
On-Site Shooting/Filming Capability at South Bay Studios
Comprehensive Security
Fabrication and Engineering
Specialty Rigging: “RIG TECH”
Company Personnel Training Programs
Full Automotive Painting Facility
Electronics Department
Detail Department
Graphics and Art Department
Dedicated Quality Control Department
Domestic and International Location Logistics
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And a film studio!


South Bay Studios
20434 S. Santa Fe Ave.
Long Beach, CA 90810
310.762.1360

15 STAGES- From Table Top to Feature Film
FISHER LIGHT / FLATS - Pre-Rigged on All Stages
Stage 2:
Motion Control Turntable
Height Adjustable (0"-4')
Custom Fisher Box
3 Wall Cyc.

Expendable Store
Concrete Floors
Grip & Lighting
Turntables On-Site
Auto Prep Co.
Fisher on Automated Gantry Systems
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Hmmm.. getting on that this woman could be helping produce a movie about the hoax?
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Re: Howard Mann - Let's Investigate This!
November 12, 2010, 11:40:02 PM
This is good stuff everyone. Thanks for posting, keep it coming if you got it.
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Re: Howard Mann - Let's Investigate This!
November 13, 2010, 02:12:54 AM
Wow!!! Great, great information!
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Re: Howard Mann - Let's Investigate This!
November 13, 2010, 03:39:52 AM
Wow, that's a lot of info on this Howard Mann!
The name 'Howard' is English, meaning noble watchman. So he's noble watchman man.
Lots of movie-making technology at 20434 S SANTA FE AVE., Long Beach, CA. Tyra Bank's crazy stalker said MJ was living in Long Beach. Also the mysterious missile launch on Nov. 9, 2010 was 35 miles of coast by Las Angeles, close also to Long Beach. Could MJ have his own satelite?
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Re: Howard Mann - Let's Investigate This!
November 13, 2010, 06:30:32 AM
Wow, so much information already!! Great detective work guys! ;)
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In a world filled with despair, we must still dare to dream.  And in a world filled with distrust, we must still dare to believe.

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Re: Howard Mann - Let's Investigate This!
November 13, 2010, 01:23:03 PM
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Could MJ have his own satelite?

He could  ;)
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("Minkin güerveeeee")
Michael pls come back


"Why a four-year-old child could understand this hoax. Run out and find me a four-year-old child. I can't make head nor tail out of it"

Re: Howard Mann - Let's Investigate This!
November 13, 2010, 02:27:47 PM
And here is another company Howard Mann is the president of: DC Netcast Media Group Inc
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And the CV of our "Man" below:
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he long term vision at DC NetCast is to build successful partnerships by working directly with network providers to launch, deploy and sell advertising positions within their network. Our partners control their web platform and services on a fully managed, turnkey network, while we work directly with them to enable dynamic targeted advertising that will service their sponsors with effective and intelligent reporting, metrics, and a simple account to manage.

Our management team brings a wealth of experience in media, marketing, technology and business.

Click Here to View Our Board of Directors:

Howard Mann: Chairman/ President

The visionary and driving force behind DC NetCast, Howard has over 14 years of experience in various aspects of the entertainment and Internet industries. His experience began working with Nigel Best Management, where he was responsible for media, publicity, and tour coordination for the popular Canadian band Bare Naked Ladies. Howard left music in the early 90’s to pursue various online business activities.

Over the last several years, Howard has concentrated on developing, consulting and launching several Internet related initiatives. These have included building proprietary state-of-the-art, shockwave-based casino software, and consulting on numerous projects related to streaming media. More recently, Howard's extensive network of contacts within the entertainment industry, coupled with his Internet expertise has resulted in the conception and creation of several comedy related and worldwide syndicated television products that include Carmen Electra’s Naked Women’s Wrestling League (NWWL).

DC Netcast appears to own the MichaelJacksonSecretVault domain name:
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DC NEtwork (Howard Mann) has taken part into a (Hollywood) project looking at on-line social communities:
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Contact details for Howard Mann CEO of DC Netcast:
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I have also done a search on the business network LinkedIn:
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There are numerous "Howard Mann" on there; Here is first the profile for Howard Mann CEO of 121 Ventures Inc
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And a different entry for Howard Mann CEO of DC Netcast
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This does not however means there are 2 different people, not enough info to draw any conclusions!

I shall refrain from drawing any hasty conclusions!  But my initial impressions are that this Howard Mann is real! Whether the Person photograph on TMZ is the same person as the DC Netcast CEO or an actor... I do not know.  I can however conclude that there is an Howard Mann that runs Businesses and our Character may be made in part with Howard Mann the business man and in part with a fictitious character!  It is possible that lies and truth have been merged to create a realistic story!
I shall also point out that I am not 100% comfortable with the Hollywood on-line community project (See above), it is somehow raising some suspicions which I would rather not have!  


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Re: Howard Mann - Let's Investigate This!
November 13, 2010, 10:08:48 PM
Serenitys_Dream, good job .. I know I never believed that Michael was ruined or broken, this story is part of the hoax, that strangers would have personal and unreleased songs from Michael?, this story that Joe does not pay and that this was has stop at the hands of strangers, I do not know maybe I can be wrong, but that's another story again, where are the other unreleased songs that supposedly La Toya rescued from Michael's house after he moved to :lol:  .. I'm sorry
 after that "died." ;)
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