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What I don't understand is why does it have to be so secretive? We all want answers. Just tell what he/she knows, instead of these long confusing wordy explanations. I believe it could be much simpler. I know what said TS said about it can't be simplified. I guess I'm just not buying it. But that's just me.
Quote from: "rayvyn"What I don't understand is why does it have to be so secretive? We all want answers. Just tell what he/she knows, instead of these long confusing wordy explanations. I believe it could be much simpler. I know what said TS said about it can't be simplified. I guess I'm just not buying it. But that's just me.I understand your position and I think you're justified in having it. It could be much simpler, easy proof could be offered. If MJ wanted everyone to know that TS was a legit informer, everyone would know. So why isn't that the case?Looks like there's two possible Scenarios that exist. TS's posts are long and elaborate and the proof is complex and obscure because (a) TS is someone who is messing with people's minds in some sort of sick game, or (b) TS is a legit insider that is purposely making the proof complex and obscure.That still leaves the answer of why for both Scenarios.In Scenario (a), why would someone write out extremely long and complex updates and redirects for over a year just to mess with people? I know there are some sick individuals out there but this is... well, really involved. Plus it hasn't been debunked in all that time either. All that talk about truth running marathons and all. This duration is pretty marathonic. With Scenario (b), why is TS purposely making the proof complex and obscure? It indicates that MJ doesn't want to let the secret out yet. MJ wants to make it confusing so that not everyone will believe. Which still leaves the question of why?Again, I don't have the answers so thank you for taking this debate at face value, I'm enjoying it. Please continue rayvyn and everyone.
I think TS is a genuine informer, an insider who is in contact with Michael on a somewhat regular basis. I think it's possible that TS doesn't know exactly when Michael will BAM but has a definite inside track as to what's going on. I think that TS's role in the hoax is that of a guide - to steer us in the right direction when we start to veer off and to show us what we've been missing. TS also adds mystery - who is TS, how has TS figured out all the numbers, coincidences, etc. And TS can't make it too easy for us, I think one has to be willing to learn, willing to accept possibilities and willing to look beyond the media headlines to start accepting what TS has been telling us. TS's audience is small but if we can make sense of it, others can too. I sometimes have to read the TIAI updates more than once to better grasp what they mean but that in itself is another test for us - are we willing to try and figure it out or do we just see a super long post and don't bother with it? If a huge part of this hoax is expose how the media lies and to think for yourself, then TS's role in the hoax makes perfect sense.
Quote from: "Andrea"I think TS is a genuine informer, an insider who is in contact with Michael on a somewhat regular basis. I think it's possible that TS doesn't know exactly when Michael will BAM but has a definite inside track as to what's going on. I think that TS's role in the hoax is that of a guide - to steer us in the right direction when we start to veer off and to show us what we've been missing. TS also adds mystery - who is TS, how has TS figured out all the numbers, coincidences, etc. And TS can't make it too easy for us, I think one has to be willing to learn, willing to accept possibilities and willing to look beyond the media headlines to start accepting what TS has been telling us. TS's audience is small but if we can make sense of it, others can too. I sometimes have to read the TIAI updates more than once to better grasp what they mean but that in itself is another test for us - are we willing to try and figure it out or do we just see a super long post and don't bother with it? If a huge part of this hoax is expose how the media lies and to think for yourself, then TS's role in the hoax makes perfect sense.I understand, Andrea, but I have to disagree. A lot of it doesn't make sense. If I have to read TS's posts multiple times, then it's much too complex. I say simplify, so more people can understand. I believe people want to understand. Why not just make it simple?What's the purpose of the mystery? And why the test? Testing seems a bit condescending if the person has the answers. People want to know. I think the people here are smart enough to see pass headlines without them having to be tested.
I understand what you're saying, but I think it could be made really simple. He could post:Michael hoaxed his death because_______Michael plans to return _______Michael is safe and I can't disclose the location.I know these thing because __________ and proof that I'm the real thing is ________.To be fair to TS, I'm going to read his/her latest post.
Quote from: "rayvyn"I understand what you're saying, but I think it could be made really simple. He could post:Michael hoaxed his death because_______Michael plans to return _______Michael is safe and I can't disclose the location.I know these thing because __________ and proof that I'm the real thing is ________.To be fair to TS, I'm going to read his/her latest post.If only it could be that simple! But we would miss the point. Remember, Michael said in TII, "it's a great adventure". And he wouldn't be able to return "piece by piece" if we were just given the answers. If we were told straight out what/when/why/how, then we wouldn't be learning anything for ourselves - we wouldn't be thinking for ourselves and we would once again be accepting something at face value without looking beyond the print in front of our eyes.
Quote from: "Andrea"Quote from: "rayvyn"I understand what you're saying, but I think it could be made really simple. He could post:Michael hoaxed his death because_______Michael plans to return _______Michael is safe and I can't disclose the location.I know these thing because __________ and proof that I'm the real thing is ________.To be fair to TS, I'm going to read his/her latest post.If only it could be that simple! But we would miss the point. Remember, Michael said in TII, "it's a great adventure". And he wouldn't be able to return "piece by piece" if we were just given the answers. If we were told straight out what/when/why/how, then we wouldn't be learning anything for ourselves - we wouldn't be thinking for ourselves and we would once again be accepting something at face value without looking beyond the print in front of our eyes.Yes I think Scenario (a) is in a way the truth... except it's MJ playing with us, in an elaborate online ARG. And he won't come out and say it because it IS a game and he IS playing with us... but it's all for L.O.V.E., you know? Like it's sort of fun to string us along and see who believes and who doesn't, give us just enough information to keep us hooked, just enough proof to make us wonder... just enough of this and that to captivate attention and inspire curiosity and debate. Not enough to come right out and give up the deception.... not yet. Maybe not ever?Like a magic trick, you don't always figure out the secrets, you just enjoy the show.It doesn't seem that the point is to disclose everything rather to focus attention and raise awareness on certain issues. We get some validation of the hoaxes existence to be sure, but mostly TII is about the reasons for the hoax and what sort of change it is designed to inspire.For the record, it took a long time for me to concede that TS might be legit, and my mind is still open to the possibility that we are being fooled by someone else entirely, I just tend to think that's probably not the case.But still.... why. Even if you go with all of that above we are still left with a why. Why would MJ bother at all. If not to say, "I'm alive and well and coming back or not", what's the purpose of TS's existance at all. Like Murray, why is there a need for him in the first place?Perhaps, the purpose was to encourage our curiosity and analytical thinking. Perhaps, though this is wishful thinking maybe on my part, MJ is so charmed by those who would dare not believe the headlines and indeed look deeper into the events portrayed to us on 6/25/09, that TS was invented as a special bonus to those who dared to push the envelope all the way to the edge. So MJHD is launched to put us all in one place, and TS is launched to fish from that pond.All pure speculation on my part, of course.
Maybe what I posted is over simplified. lol
Quote from: "bec"Quote from: "Andrea"Quote from: "rayvyn"I understand what you're saying, but I think it could be made really simple. He could post:Michael hoaxed his death because_______Michael plans to return _______Michael is safe and I can't disclose the location.I know these thing because __________ and proof that I'm the real thing is ________.To be fair to TS, I'm going to read his/her latest post.If only it could be that simple! But we would miss the point. Remember, Michael said in TII, "it's a great adventure". And he wouldn't be able to return "piece by piece" if we were just given the answers. If we were told straight out what/when/why/how, then we wouldn't be learning anything for ourselves - we wouldn't be thinking for ourselves and we would once again be accepting something at face value without looking beyond the print in front of our eyes.Yes I think Scenario (a) is in a way the truth... except it's MJ playing with us, in an elaborate online ARG. And he won't come out and say it because it IS a game and he IS playing with us... but it's all for L.O.V.E., you know? Like it's sort of fun to string us along and see who believes and who doesn't, give us just enough information to keep us hooked, just enough proof to make us wonder... just enough of this and that to captivate attention and inspire curiosity and debate. Not enough to come right out and give up the deception.... not yet. Maybe not ever?Like a magic trick, you don't always figure out the secrets, you just enjoy the show.It doesn't seem that the point is to disclose everything rather to focus attention and raise awareness on certain issues. We get some validation of the hoaxes existence to be sure, but mostly TII is about the reasons for the hoax and what sort of change it is designed to inspire.For the record, it took a long time for me to concede that TS might be legit, and my mind is still open to the possibility that we are being fooled by someone else entirely, I just tend to think that's probably not the case.But still.... why. Even if you go with all of that above we are still left with a why. Why would MJ bother at all. If not to say, "I'm alive and well and coming back or not", what's the purpose of TS's existance at all. Like Murray, why is there a need for him in the first place?Perhaps, the purpose was to encourage our curiosity and analytical thinking. Perhaps, though this is wishful thinking maybe on my part, MJ is so charmed by those who would dare not believe the headlines and indeed look deeper into the events portrayed to us on 6/25/09, that TS was invented as a special bonus to those who dared to push the envelope all the way to the edge. So MJHD is launched to put us all in one place, and TS is launched to fish from that pond.All pure speculation on my part, of course.At times do you feel as though stringing us along and teaching us is a bit mean and condescending? Maybe I'm looking at it from the wrong perspective.
