Questions regarding TS

[bec]

anewfan do you mean because I said "it's your loss"? But that's how I feel, if someone doesn't believe it doesn't make me angry or frustrated, if anything I feel a little sad for them because it IS their loss. It's a shame to disregard good information just because you don't know the messenger. That information is lost for them. It's their loss.

Does that clarify where I'm coming from a little better?

I meant to copy this response....the one I quoted was not rude....(bonks myself in the noggin)

Could you please read my posts before replying to them? Please read the words, in order, without substituting or adding or leaving any out, and then if you want to reply to what I actually wrote, please do!

Elvis DIED, his personal Doctor was INVESTIGATED in regards to his DEATH, and there have been RUMORS about a hoax death EVER SINCE. These are 3 HISTORICAL (accepted) FACTS. I am not talking about THEORIES or present court cases.

MJ doesn't have to a psychic or enjoy divine intervention to conjure up this scenario playing out in the public eye when planning a death hoax of his very own. Elivis's situation sets precedent. THAT's the point.

Ps. I'm not convinced that Elvis died personally but my OPINION is off topic which is why I included BOTH scenarios in my original post.

I guess I see people take only parts of people's posts all the time. The way you responded seemed rude with all the caps. Maybe you didn't mean it that way...maybe you did. That's what's so hard about things being written as opposed to being spoken. They can be interpreted differently by everyone.

Maybe that's why some of us think that people are being rude to one another on here and others don't see it. It's all in the way you interpret someone's response. This response may be interpreted as rude even though it's not intended that way. I wanted to use it as a way to back up my earlier post. (But obviously that was a big FAIL on my part, since I didn't even quote the right post.  I blame it on my hair color.)  

I posted like that because the person I was replying to obviously had not caught the information the first time. Things get missed. I was trying to avoid that happening again.

But regardless, perception is everything, so if you think I'm rude, please by all means, scroll right past my posts.

[Tarja]

You could copy and paste this response for starters in your thread. These are the kinds of responses I'm talking about. It's rude and condescending, which are the words I should have used in my initial post instead of bashing. You and Anna have gone back and forth with your opinions on TS and then finally this kind of response is given that I feel silences some members. I have seen it often. Now, pretty soon there will be a posse surrounding Anna (and probably me) in this thread.....with "words" being spewn at us. Telling us to get out if we don't like it. (or something like that)

It does remind me of bullying....and I don't like it. Again...this is how I see it...others probably don't.

I avoided to answer this thread although I saw it. I have to say you're right. And I hope this thread remains decent and in good terms in order to be able to discuss this problem. If someone comes and cuts it from the root with heavy words the subject will finally die, because of the incapacity of discussing it. People have very different opinions and I don't know why if you are different, if you don't think like the majority, you are considered: not in the know of the whole thing, not able to express a logic opinion, not good for being on the forum, ect.

I hope this thread remains in  good terms as it was and who doesn't agree he/she can express it but stop being harsh to those with an opposite or different opinion.

[rayvyn]

I think TS has a lot of valid points that lead me to believe he is somewhat in the know as well. My problem with the whole subject of TS is that one main message presented in his posts is the fact that you need to think for yourself. But, that is a contradiction to what happens sometimes on this forum. The people that speak against or question TS have been verbally bashed and sometimes banned in the past.

So, it's not so much TS that makes me question him. It's actually how people are treated on this forum when they question TS. If people are truly thinking for themselves, they don't have to believe in TS if they don't want to. But those people are made to feel like the bad guys here.  

Now, I understand that there may be other reasons why those people have been banned other than bashing TS that I am not aware of. But, if people are truly thinking for themselves, and they choose not to believe in TS completely, then they shouldn't be bashed for thinking for themselves.

I guess this whole hoax has made me a bit suspicious and untrusting, which is not my character. I live in a place where the crime rate is next to nothing. In fact, my state has been called the safest state in the US. We are trusting and kind people. I pray to God that I have not been duped and played the fool. I pray that in the end, the good guys win and the bad guys go down.

I don't want to offend anyone by this post. I just wanted to express the way I have observed things. This is how I see things...through my eyes...others probably see it differently.

I understand what you say, and I can say that I feel like that too, sometimes, and I don't want to refrain from saying my opinion, because I do think for myself. People who have different opinion or even oposite opinions are somehow told or insinuate "what the hell are you doing here?". But I hold on with my teeth on what I believe and my brain does think on its own, so we are free to express what we believe and think. That's why I wanted to open this thread and say what bothers me and what I do not find as stricking evidence. Others might think differently, and that's ok, but that doesn't make one opinion wrong and the other right. So I support everyone to stop being afraid to be bashed if they want to state their own convinctions and opinions.
I address ths to no one in particular.

Anna, I agree with you 100%. And by the way, I don't believe in numerology either.

[MissG]

You could copy and paste this response for starters in your thread. These are the kinds of responses I'm talking about. It's rude and condescending, which are the words I should have used in my initial post instead of bashing. You and Anna have gone back and forth with your opinions on TS and then finally this kind of response is given that I feel silences some members. I have seen it often. Now, pretty soon there will be a posse surrounding Anna (and probably me) in this thread.....with "words" being spewn at us. Telling us to get out if we don't like it. (or something like that)

It does remind me of bullying....and I don't like it. Again...this is how I see it...others probably don't.

I avoided to answer this thread although I saw it. I have to say you're right. And I hope this thread remains decent and in good terms in order to be able to discuss this problem. If someone comes and cuts it from the root with heavy words the subject will finally die, because of the incapacity of discussing it. People have very different opinions and I don't know why if you are different, if you don't think like the majority, you are considered: not in the know of the whole thing, not able to express a logic opinion, not good for being on the forum, ect.

I hope this thread remains in  good terms as it was and who doesn't agree he/she can express it but stop being harsh to those with an opposite or different opinion.

I second with of both of you posted.

[bec]

I think TS has a lot of valid points that lead me to believe he is somewhat in the know as well. My problem with the whole subject of TS is that one main message presented in his posts is the fact that you need to think for yourself. But, that is a contradiction to what happens sometimes on this forum. The people that speak against or question TS have been verbally bashed and sometimes banned in the past.

So, it's not so much TS that makes me question him. It's actually how people are treated on this forum when they question TS. If people are truly thinking for themselves, they don't have to believe in TS if they don't want to. But those people are made to feel like the bad guys here.  

Now, I understand that there may be other reasons why those people have been banned other than bashing TS that I am not aware of. But, if people are truly thinking for themselves, and they choose not to believe in TS completely, then they shouldn't be bashed for thinking for themselves.

I guess this whole hoax has made me a bit suspicious and untrusting, which is not my character. I live in a place where the crime rate is next to nothing. In fact, my state has been called the safest state in the US. We are trusting and kind people. I pray to God that I have not been duped and played the fool. I pray that in the end, the good guys win and the bad guys go down.

I don't want to offend anyone by this post. I just wanted to express the way I have observed things. This is how I see things...through my eyes...others probably see it differently.

I understand what you say, and I can say that I feel like that too, sometimes, and I don't want to refrain from saying my opinion, because I do think for myself. People who have different opinion or even oposite opinions are somehow told or insinuate "what the hell are you doing here?". But I hold on with my teeth on what I believe and my brain does think on its own, so we are free to express what we believe and think. That's why I wanted to open this thread and say what bothers me and what I do not find as stricking evidence. Others might think differently, and that's ok, but that doesn't make one opinion wrong and the other right. So I support everyone to stop being afraid to be bashed if they want to state their own convinctions and opinions.
I address ths to no one in particular.

Anna, I agree with you 100%. And by the way, I don't believe in numerology either.

Neither do I. In the slightest bit.

But TS's "proof" isn't based on numerology. MJ invented his own little numbers thing, the Dangerous Code. TS deciphered it and showed us how the hoax is intertwined in the code (or vice versa, the code is intertwined in the hoax).

The Dangerous code is very complex, and not based on "numerology". The greatest proof is that no one before TS (or since) has been able to crack the Dangerous code. Throughout this hoax, nearly every single "proof" or theory that has been presented has been shared by several people, presented simultaneously, worked on as a group project, or thought of before, after, during, since.... the hive mind concept.

TS's deciphering of the Dangerous code stands alone as a solo presentation. This is interesting.

One theory to explain this is that TS is the inventor of the code. A code so complex that it cannot be cracked/hasn't been cracked except by one individual suggests that the one individual also invented it.

So it's like connecting the dots. ONE person deciphers the code. And the code happens to fit into all the major events of the hoax/all the major events are based on or track back to the code. This suggests that the hoax was planned ahead of time based on the code. Which in turn suggests that TS not only invented the code, but also the hoax.

Is anyone following me?

So yes, I agree numerology is nonsense. But someone making up their own brand of numerology and then planning events based on it is not at all nonsense.

[MJonmind]

Bec
But TS's "proof" isn't based on numerology. MJ invented his own little numbers thing, the Dangerous Code. TS deciphered it and showed us how the hoax is intertwined in the code (or vice versa, the code is intertwined in the hoax).

The Dangerous code is very complex, and not based on "numerology". The greatest proof is that no one before TS (or since) has been able to crack the Dangerous code. Throughout this hoax, nearly every single "proof" or theory that has been presented has been shared by several people, presented simultaneously, worked on as a group project, or thought of before, after, during, since.... the hive mind concept.

TS's deciphering of the Dangerous code stands alone as a solo presentation. This is interesting.

One theory to explain this is that TS is the inventor of the code. A code so complex that it cannot be cracked/hasn't been cracked except by one individual suggests that the one individual also invented it.

So it's like connecting the dots. ONE person deciphers the code. And the code happens to fit into all the major events of the hoax/all the major events are based on or track back to the code. This suggests that the hoax was planned ahead of time based on the code. Which in turn suggests that TS not only invented the code, but also the hoax.

Is anyone following me?

So yes, I agree numerology is nonsense. But someone making up their own brand of numerology and then planning events based on it is not at all nonsense.

I think you said this well, without any disrespect to those questioning. I feel this thread topic is valid and helpful to TS because truth should stand up no matter the scrutiny. I am a questioning open-minded person. And my over-all sense of the hoax details including TIAI/TS is the choreography and planning including any numbers with all the ways dots connect is simply too much for a mere mortal. In fact having grown up in Christian circles immersed in Bible study from birth practically, I know that all the Old Testament prophesies fulfilled and words Christ spoke, early historical writings have a fraction of dots to connect to what Michael has managed IMO. In the past I heard statistically the chances of all the prophecies being fullfilled by Jesus were huge. I believe Michael is a genius but I don't think it would be possible without special divine help. Of course there's a chance it could be evil help, but I don't believe so. And talk about healing, I've been mystified as have many others as to the effect on me in those early months, of this person MJ, profound; it has never happened to me before. It's only time that will tell. If nothing happens after the end of 2012, I will know for sure it's like an Elvis thing again, and I was hoodwinked. Sometimes even now I have my doubts and get discouraged, but reviewing TS gets me back on track. TS is the stablizer for this grand scheme, the anchor.

[rayvyn]

I think TS has a lot of valid points that lead me to believe he is somewhat in the know as well. My problem with the whole subject of TS is that one main message presented in his posts is the fact that you need to think for yourself. But, that is a contradiction to what happens sometimes on this forum. The people that speak against or question TS have been verbally bashed and sometimes banned in the past.

So, it's not so much TS that makes me question him. It's actually how people are treated on this forum when they question TS. If people are truly thinking for themselves, they don't have to believe in TS if they don't want to. But those people are made to feel like the bad guys here.  

Now, I understand that there may be other reasons why those people have been banned other than bashing TS that I am not aware of. But, if people are truly thinking for themselves, and they choose not to believe in TS completely, then they shouldn't be bashed for thinking for themselves.

I guess this whole hoax has made me a bit suspicious and untrusting, which is not my character. I live in a place where the crime rate is next to nothing. In fact, my state has been called the safest state in the US. We are trusting and kind people. I pray to God that I have not been duped and played the fool. I pray that in the end, the good guys win and the bad guys go down.

I don't want to offend anyone by this post. I just wanted to express the way I have observed things. This is how I see things...through my eyes...others probably see it differently.

I understand what you say, and I can say that I feel like that too, sometimes, and I don't want to refrain from saying my opinion, because I do think for myself. People who have different opinion or even oposite opinions are somehow told or insinuate "what the hell are you doing here?". But I hold on with my teeth on what I believe and my brain does think on its own, so we are free to express what we believe and think. That's why I wanted to open this thread and say what bothers me and what I do not find as stricking evidence. Others might think differently, and that's ok, but that doesn't make one opinion wrong and the other right. So I support everyone to stop being afraid to be bashed if they want to state their own convinctions and opinions.
I address ths to no one in particular.

Anna, I agree with you 100%. And by the way, I don't believe in numerology either.

Neither do I. In the slightest bit.

But TS's "proof" isn't based on numerology. MJ invented his own little numbers thing, the Dangerous Code. TS deciphered it and showed us how the hoax is intertwined in the code (or vice versa, the code is intertwined in the hoax).

The Dangerous code is very complex, and not based on "numerology". The greatest proof is that no one before TS (or since) has been able to crack the Dangerous code. Throughout this hoax, nearly every single "proof" or theory that has been presented has been shared by several people, presented simultaneously, worked on as a group project, or thought of before, after, during, since.... the hive mind concept.

TS's deciphering of the Dangerous code stands alone as a solo presentation. This is interesting.

One theory to explain this is that TS is the inventor of the code. A code so complex that it cannot be cracked/hasn't been cracked except by one individual suggests that the one individual also invented it.

So it's like connecting the dots. ONE person deciphers the code. And the code happens to fit into all the major events of the hoax/all the major events are based on or track back to the code. This suggests that the hoax was planned ahead of time based on the code. Which in turn suggests that TS not only invented the code, but also the hoax.

Is anyone following me?

So yes, I agree numerology is nonsense. But someone making up their own brand of numerology and then planning events based on it is not at all nonsense.

I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree. There is no agreed upon standard by which the deciphering of the code can be judged. The only one who would know the standard would be the person who devised the code in the first place.

By the way, my original post did not underline "by the way I don't believe in numerology either." By you underlining it, it makes it look as though I emphasized it, which I did not.

[bec]

I think TS has a lot of valid points that lead me to believe he is somewhat in the know as well. My problem with the whole subject of TS is that one main message presented in his posts is the fact that you need to think for yourself. But, that is a contradiction to what happens sometimes on this forum. The people that speak against or question TS have been verbally bashed and sometimes banned in the past.

So, it's not so much TS that makes me question him. It's actually how people are treated on this forum when they question TS. If people are truly thinking for themselves, they don't have to believe in TS if they don't want to. But those people are made to feel like the bad guys here.  

Now, I understand that there may be other reasons why those people have been banned other than bashing TS that I am not aware of. But, if people are truly thinking for themselves, and they choose not to believe in TS completely, then they shouldn't be bashed for thinking for themselves.

I guess this whole hoax has made me a bit suspicious and untrusting, which is not my character. I live in a place where the crime rate is next to nothing. In fact, my state has been called the safest state in the US. We are trusting and kind people. I pray to God that I have not been duped and played the fool. I pray that in the end, the good guys win and the bad guys go down.

I don't want to offend anyone by this post. I just wanted to express the way I have observed things. This is how I see things...through my eyes...others probably see it differently.

I understand what you say, and I can say that I feel like that too, sometimes, and I don't want to refrain from saying my opinion, because I do think for myself. People who have different opinion or even oposite opinions are somehow told or insinuate "what the hell are you doing here?". But I hold on with my teeth on what I believe and my brain does think on its own, so we are free to express what we believe and think. That's why I wanted to open this thread and say what bothers me and what I do not find as stricking evidence. Others might think differently, and that's ok, but that doesn't make one opinion wrong and the other right. So I support everyone to stop being afraid to be bashed if they want to state their own convinctions and opinions.
I address ths to no one in particular.

Anna, I agree with you 100%. And by the way, I don't believe in numerology either.

Neither do I. In the slightest bit.

But TS's "proof" isn't based on numerology. MJ invented his own little numbers thing, the Dangerous Code. TS deciphered it and showed us how the hoax is intertwined in the code (or vice versa, the code is intertwined in the hoax).

The Dangerous code is very complex, and not based on "numerology". The greatest proof is that no one before TS (or since) has been able to crack the Dangerous code. Throughout this hoax, nearly every single "proof" or theory that has been presented has been shared by several people, presented simultaneously, worked on as a group project, or thought of before, after, during, since.... the hive mind concept.

TS's deciphering of the Dangerous code stands alone as a solo presentation. This is interesting.

One theory to explain this is that TS is the inventor of the code. A code so complex that it cannot be cracked/hasn't been cracked except by one individual suggests that the one individual also invented it.

So it's like connecting the dots. ONE person deciphers the code. And the code happens to fit into all the major events of the hoax/all the major events are based on or track back to the code. This suggests that the hoax was planned ahead of time based on the code. Which in turn suggests that TS not only invented the code, but also the hoax.

Is anyone following me?

So yes, I agree numerology is nonsense. But someone making up their own brand of numerology and then planning events based on it is not at all nonsense.

I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree. With someone making up their own code, they also have to make up their own standard for making up that code. The code has no agreed upon standard by which it can be judged. So anyone could make-up a code and a standard and say it's valid.

It reminds me of a joke among fiction writers: I know this to be true, because I made it up.

Yes of course, I agree with that 100%. The weird part is that no one else has. At least I haven't seen anyone else even try to decipher the Dangerous code much less make it so it's a valid equation, with both sides matching: x=y, and then have it so it is interwoven throughout the hoax in so many complex manners.

There must be a reason why it is so complex and the proof is so difficult to grasp. There's a reason why it exists but also a reason why it's not widely accepted. Like it's supposed to be a little known secret still because if MJ wanted everyone to know there was a legit informer for us out there... then everyone would know.

[rayvyn]

I think TS has a lot of valid points that lead me to believe he is somewhat in the know as well. My problem with the whole subject of TS is that one main message presented in his posts is the fact that you need to think for yourself. But, that is a contradiction to what happens sometimes on this forum. The people that speak against or question TS have been verbally bashed and sometimes banned in the past.

So, it's not so much TS that makes me question him. It's actually how people are treated on this forum when they question TS. If people are truly thinking for themselves, they don't have to believe in TS if they don't want to. But those people are made to feel like the bad guys here.  

Now, I understand that there may be other reasons why those people have been banned other than bashing TS that I am not aware of. But, if people are truly thinking for themselves, and they choose not to believe in TS completely, then they shouldn't be bashed for thinking for themselves.

I guess this whole hoax has made me a bit suspicious and untrusting, which is not my character. I live in a place where the crime rate is next to nothing. In fact, my state has been called the safest state in the US. We are trusting and kind people. I pray to God that I have not been duped and played the fool. I pray that in the end, the good guys win and the bad guys go down.

I don't want to offend anyone by this post. I just wanted to express the way I have observed things. This is how I see things...through my eyes...others probably see it differently.

I understand what you say, and I can say that I feel like that too, sometimes, and I don't want to refrain from saying my opinion, because I do think for myself. People who have different opinion or even oposite opinions are somehow told or insinuate "what the hell are you doing here?". But I hold on with my teeth on what I believe and my brain does think on its own, so we are free to express what we believe and think. That's why I wanted to open this thread and say what bothers me and what I do not find as stricking evidence. Others might think differently, and that's ok, but that doesn't make one opinion wrong and the other right. So I support everyone to stop being afraid to be bashed if they want to state their own convinctions and opinions.
I address ths to no one in particular.

Anna, I agree with you 100%. And by the way, I don't believe in numerology either.

Neither do I. In the slightest bit.

But TS's "proof" isn't based on numerology. MJ invented his own little numbers thing, the Dangerous Code. TS deciphered it and showed us how the hoax is intertwined in the code (or vice versa, the code is intertwined in the hoax).

The Dangerous code is very complex, and not based on "numerology". The greatest proof is that no one before TS (or since) has been able to crack the Dangerous code. Throughout this hoax, nearly every single "proof" or theory that has been presented has been shared by several people, presented simultaneously, worked on as a group project, or thought of before, after, during, since.... the hive mind concept.

TS's deciphering of the Dangerous code stands alone as a solo presentation. This is interesting.

One theory to explain this is that TS is the inventor of the code. A code so complex that it cannot be cracked/hasn't been cracked except by one individual suggests that the one individual also invented it.

So it's like connecting the dots. ONE person deciphers the code. And the code happens to fit into all the major events of the hoax/all the major events are based on or track back to the code. This suggests that the hoax was planned ahead of time based on the code. Which in turn suggests that TS not only invented the code, but also the hoax.

Is anyone following me?

So yes, I agree numerology is nonsense. But someone making up their own brand of numerology and then planning events based on it is not at all nonsense.

I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree. With someone making up their own code, they also have to make up their own standard for making up that code. The code has no agreed upon standard by which it can be judged. So anyone could make-up a code and a standard and say it's valid.

It reminds me of a joke among fiction writers: I know this to be true, because I made it up.

Yes of course, I agree with that 100%. The weird part is that no one else has. At least I haven't seen anyone else even try to decipher the Dangerous code much less make it so it's a valid equation, with both sides matching: x=y, and then have it so it is interwoven throughout the hoax in so many complex manners.

There must be a reason why it is so complex and the proof is so difficult to grasp. There's a reason why it exists but also a reason why it's not widely accepted. Like it's supposed to be a little known secret still because if MJ wanted everyone to know there was a legit informer for us out there... then everyone would know.

Please stop underlining sentences and phrases in my post that I did not emphasize. By doing this, it gives off an impression that I didn't intend. Thanks in advance.

[rayvyn]

I think TS has a lot of valid points that lead me to believe he is somewhat in the know as well. My problem with the whole subject of TS is that one main message presented in his posts is the fact that you need to think for yourself. But, that is a contradiction to what happens sometimes on this forum. The people that speak against or question TS have been verbally bashed and sometimes banned in the past.

So, it's not so much TS that makes me question him. It's actually how people are treated on this forum when they question TS. If people are truly thinking for themselves, they don't have to believe in TS if they don't want to. But those people are made to feel like the bad guys here.  

Now, I understand that there may be other reasons why those people have been banned other than bashing TS that I am not aware of. But, if people are truly thinking for themselves, and they choose not to believe in TS completely, then they shouldn't be bashed for thinking for themselves.

I guess this whole hoax has made me a bit suspicious and untrusting, which is not my character. I live in a place where the crime rate is next to nothing. In fact, my state has been called the safest state in the US. We are trusting and kind people. I pray to God that I have not been duped and played the fool. I pray that in the end, the good guys win and the bad guys go down.

I don't want to offend anyone by this post. I just wanted to express the way I have observed things. This is how I see things...through my eyes...others probably see it differently.

I understand what you say, and I can say that I feel like that too, sometimes, and I don't want to refrain from saying my opinion, because I do think for myself. People who have different opinion or even oposite opinions are somehow told or insinuate "what the hell are you doing here?". But I hold on with my teeth on what I believe and my brain does think on its own, so we are free to express what we believe and think. That's why I wanted to open this thread and say what bothers me and what I do not find as stricking evidence. Others might think differently, and that's ok, but that doesn't make one opinion wrong and the other right. So I support everyone to stop being afraid to be bashed if they want to state their own convinctions and opinions.
I address ths to no one in particular.

Anna, I agree with you 100%. And by the way, I don't believe in numerology either.

Neither do I. In the slightest bit.

But TS's "proof" isn't based on numerology. MJ invented his own little numbers thing, the Dangerous Code. TS deciphered it and showed us how the hoax is intertwined in the code (or vice versa, the code is intertwined in the hoax).

The Dangerous code is very complex, and not based on "numerology". The greatest proof is that no one before TS (or since) has been able to crack the Dangerous code. Throughout this hoax, nearly every single "proof" or theory that has been presented has been shared by several people, presented simultaneously, worked on as a group project, or thought of before, after, during, since.... the hive mind concept.

TS's deciphering of the Dangerous code stands alone as a solo presentation. This is interesting.

One theory to explain this is that TS is the inventor of the code. A code so complex that it cannot be cracked/hasn't been cracked except by one individual suggests that the one individual also invented it.

So it's like connecting the dots. ONE person deciphers the code. And the code happens to fit into all the major events of the hoax/all the major events are based on or track back to the code. This suggests that the hoax was planned ahead of time based on the code. Which in turn suggests that TS not only invented the code, but also the hoax.

Is anyone following me?

So yes, I agree numerology is nonsense. But someone making up their own brand of numerology and then planning events based on it is not at all nonsense.

I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree. With someone making up their own code, they also have to make up their own standard for making up that code. The code has no agreed upon standard by which it can be judged. So anyone could make-up a code and a standard and say it's valid.

It reminds me of a joke among fiction writers: I know this to be true, because I made it up.

Yes of course, I agree with that 100%. The weird part is that no one else has. At least I haven't seen anyone else even try to decipher the Dangerous code much less make it so it's a valid equation, with both sides matching: x=y, and then have it so it is interwoven throughout the hoax in so many complex manners.

There must be a reason why it is so complex and the proof is so difficult to grasp. There's a reason why it exists but also a reason why it's not widely accepted. Like it's supposed to be a little known secret still because if MJ wanted everyone to know there was a legit informer for us out there... then everyone would know.

I understand what you're saying, but it's because the solving of the code seems to be so manipulated that I don't believe in it. You'd have to do a lot of manipulating in order to make things fit.

[bec]

rayvyn: I am underlining or emphasizing the parts on your posts that I am responding to. It's a technique I use to facilitate communication on message boards. I'm not trying to insinuate that your original post contained those emphasis's (is that a word?). I didn't know it bothered you, I don't know how else to highlight a particular part of your post that I want to reply to?

Also, do you have any examples of what you mean by "You'd have to do a lot of manipulating in order to make things fit." so we could dig into them?

[anewfan]

I did find the fact that TS directed to the Orson Welles site a week or so before the "Breaking News" song was released pretty amazing. That to me, is a clear sign that he definitely knows something.

[rayvyn]

rayvyn: I am underlining or emphasizing the parts on your posts that I am responding to. It's a technique I use to facilitate communication on message boards. I'm not trying to insinuate that your original post contained those emphasis's (is that a word?). I didn't know it bothered you, I don't know how else to highlight a particular part of your post that I want to reply to?

Also, do you have any examples of what you mean by "You'd have to do a lot of manipulating in order to make things fit." so we could dig into them?

No problem. I understand, and please continue to underline.  :-)

I guess what I meant was that whenever I read TS's posts, much of it is was very confusing and seemed manipulated (his/her information). At times I felt as though I had to suspend reasoning. I'm sorry, I don't have any specific examples for you-- I've long stopped reading TS's posts because they were so confusing. Once I asked was he/she ever going to simplify it, because I felt as though some things could have been a lot more straight forward. I never got an answer. I may have asked twice, but I'm not sure on that.

[bec]

I think I remember TS answering a similar question in an update, I don't know if it was your question exactly, but I do remember something about whether they w(c)ould simplify the updates and as I recall the answer was something along the lines of it not being possible to simplify and still be accurate.

And the subject brings me back to the conclusion that I draw from that:

There must be a reason why it [proof via TS] is so complex and the proof is so difficult to grasp. There's a reason why it exists but also a reason why it's not widely accepted. Like it's supposed to be a little known secret still

But why? Just because that's the point of a hoax? That's it's a secret? But it's got to be hard orchestrating this gigantic adventure and not be able to share it with everyone for this amount of time... so... is it that MJ wants to spill the beans a little so he concocted this way (the personality TS) in which to let off a little steam (let a few in on the secret) while still retaining total control?

These are questions to which I haven't any answers, which is why I like to debate this.

[anewfan]

Here's what I am thinking with TS.....When I go back and read his posts, it gets long and confusing at times....I think because it is so much to absorb. I think TS's posts/redirects make more sense to those that read them the day they were redirected (for over a year ago now). They were able to see some the events unfold that TS had "predicted".

For example, some of the redirects/posts that have been made/presented since I learned about them (June 2010) make more sense to me because I was able to read the redirect/post the day it was posted and then see later on, what he was talking about. i.e. The Orson Welles redirect.

I know this doesn't fit for everyone, as there may be some that were there from the beginning and still don't believe fully in TS, but it might help explain why there is such a division on him.