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[voiceforthesilent]

Thank you, Shelby! I suspect that we need to dig further to find out the truth as it looks like we aren't getting the whole story on this document. KJ Party...is that a company or a person? Interesting. Blessings!

Here are my comments regarding this "secret contract" LOL

Performance Contract Review

Style of Cause – reference of KJ is made right after her name – it should be after her address, location – in addition I have never seen a contract refer to a person as a "private citizen".
Whereas preamble – "generally exploited" – this would never be used in a standard legal contract LOL – who is her attorney?? LOL
Whereas preamble – "VMP is granted all moral allied and ancillary rights to" – when does moral rights come into play in a legal contract?
Should refer to the "late Michael Jackson" not just Michael Jackson if they are saying this contract was made AFTER his "death".
Recital 7 – should say "Paris Katherine Jackson", "Prince Michael  Jackson" and Prince Michael Jackson II" – full names should be used, very sloppy
Paragraph 9 – Katherine does not have authority to grant exclusive commercial exploitation of images, name, etc.  All assets of Michael would be covered under the Estate – she has no authority – she is not the Executrix, she is only a beneficiary – according to all documents we have seen LOL
Paragraph 11 – appearing in the year 2010 – this sentence implies that the contract was written prior to 2010.  It should have read "appearing during 2010" – so does this mean she doesn't have to make any more appearances, only in 2010?  Seems kind of odd that VMP would want rights for more than just one year.  Since when do people "perform" in interviews anyway? LOL  Normally people would engage or partake in interviews – not perform.
Paragraph 13 – who is KJ Party?? That was never referenced in the contract.... who are they?  They are bound to appear in the future – I thought this contract was designed for 2010 appearances?  So paragraphs 11, 13 and 14 are contradictory.
Paragraph 15 – should read "twenty-five percent (25%)" – not the other way around, very sloppy legal drafting again lol
Paragraph 20 – she is being paid to "promote the exploitation of the recordings?? – exploit, exploitation is used very often in this contract LOL – I wonder who was exploited all his life hmmm?? LOL
Paragraph 22 – spelling error "manor" should be "manner" LOL – wow who can't spell? LOL
Paragraph 24 does not in any way relate to paragraph 23 – no statements (plural) were made by her that would cause her to agree to statements made in paragraph 23 – it is one paragraph and no statement was made it was a general agreement between the parties, besides paragraph 23 is again contradictory to all future agreements – (see my comment regarding paragraph 11).

Paragraph 25 – who is the trustee of the assets?  Trustee is not defined in this contract and makes no reference to trustee until now?  Are they implying that VMP is the trustee of the assets ??  That would go against the Estate – the "Estate" has final say as to what MJ's material possessions are and how they will be divided up or used (if he is really dead) lol
Paragraph 26 – well that says it all – if any portion of the agreement is deemed unlawful, etc... well  then this whole agreement is garbage lol..........
Release section – again who is KJ Party – and who are KJ Affiliates?? So again, sloppy awful legal writing lol  and it says from "the beginning of time to the Effective Date" – from the beginning of time ??? LOL
Conflict section – I would say there is big time conflict LOL –
Also in paragraph 32 they spelled manor not manner LOL
Paragraph 36 "sought advice of council" – hmmm I wonder what council is Katherine sitting on lol or who comprises the "council" – council is spelled wrong – it should have said "sought advice of legal counsel". Omg.... lol
In my opinion – this contract is full of holes, Katherine's attorney would now allow her to sign this contract – too one-sided and he would just throw it away in the GARBAGE lol  OMG – who is trying to fool who LOL

[voiceforthesilent]

Howard mann is a realtor, he is the guy in the white hat (i think)

Well, if that man is Howard Mann, then  is not equal
the photos published TMZ ;)

Ummm...will have to dig but I don't believe that person in the white hat is Mann.

[moyrum]

Howard mann is a realtor, he is the guy in the white hat (i think)

Well, if that man is Howard Mann, then  is not equal
the photos published TMZ ;)

Ummm...will have to dig but I don't believe that person in the white hat is Mann.

The man with the white hat is not Mann, The guy in the white suit is a indian actor (Hrithik Roshan) and the man with the white hat is the actor's father (Rakesh Roshan).

"In return for her work, VPM -- owned by her controversial business partner Howard Mann -- agreed to pay Katherine 25% of the net profits with a minimum monthly guarantee of $10,000-a-month. But here's what's really interesting ... for the $10-grand-a-montthere's no end date h, so if you read the contract literally, VPM agrees to pay Katherine at least $10k-a-month for the rest of her life."

The last sentence the way i was reading it was like .....if we think MJ has a hand in all this, then it sounds like MJ is making his mother financially secure for the rest of her life, otherwise why is there no end date? If we think for a moment, for whatever reasons, maybe Katherine needs more money or the money she gets from the allowance is not enough for her, then maybe this is why she agreed to the contract with VPM. IDK just trying to think of a way to see if MJ can fit in all this lol.

[becca26]

I may be off with this one but is'ant Katherine just a temp guardian or something for the children? If this is the case how could she put them into any kind of contract? Sorry Im under the weather today.  :?

[Snoopy71]

*scratches head*....well, I look up this Vintage Pop Media @  http://www.vintagepopmedia.com/

and the first thing that stuck out to me was the phone number & address...

Since I live in California, the area code did not look familiar on the phone number (651)...so I looked it up and I was right, its a area code for a number in St. Paul, Minnesota.  :?  (okay no biggie, I figure maybe its a temporary cell phone number)

so then trying to make sense of this, I googled the address listed: 20434 S Santa Fe Ave Long Beach,Ca   and discovered this link and business tied to that address:

South Bay Studios (established 1989)
http://www.southbaystudios.com/

it appears to be some kind of motion picture production company....again, maybe not too strange right? So I searched it on Manta.com just to see if South Bay Studios is legit....which they are...and also found Richard Gamorra (president) and Ron Kusumi (Director-Sales & Marketing)...and this is where I hit the wall....I can't figure out how all this ties together. :?

Is this VPM a sub company? Why the out-of-state temp number? How is this VPM associated with South Bay Studios?

If anyone can take this info and run with it and figure it out, please do! HELP!!! :|

[paula-c]

voiceforthesilent wrote:
paula-c wrote:
Howard mann is a realtor, he is the guy in the white hat (i think)

Well, if that man is Howard Mann, then is not equal
the photos published TMZ

Ummm...will have to dig but I don't believe that person in the white hat is Mann.

The man with the white hat is not Mann, The guy in the white suit is a indian actor (Hrithik Roshan) and the man with the white hat is the actor's father (Rakesh Roshan).

"In return for her work, VPM -- owned by her controversial business partner Howard Mann -- agreed to pay Katherine 25% of the net profits with a minimum monthly guarantee of $10,000-a-month. But here's what's really interesting ... for the $10-grand-a-montthere's no end date h, so if you read the contract literally, VPM agrees to pay Katherine at least $10k-a-month for the rest of her life."

The last sentence the way i was reading it was like .....if we think MJ has a hand in all this, then it sounds like MJ is making his mother financially secure for the rest of her life, otherwise why is there no end date? If we think for a moment, for whatever reasons, maybe Katherine needs more money or the money she gets from the allowance is not enough for her, then maybe this is why she agreed to the contract with VPM. IDK just trying to think of a way to see if MJ can fit in all this lol.moyrum

Very well, clarified topic :mrgreen:

[shelby61]

Here is a tidbit of more information re: Vintage Pop Media:

Business Entity Detail

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Data is updated weekly and is current as of Friday, November 05, 2010. It is not a complete or certified record of the entity.

Entity Name: VINTAGE POP MEDIA MUSIC, LLC
Entity Number: 200932110101
Date Filed: 11/16/2009
Status: ACTIVE
Jurisdiction: CALIFORNIA
Entity Address: 20434 S SANTA FE AVE
Entity City, State, Zip: LONG BEACH CA 90810
Agent for Service of Process: MARVIN EPSTEIN
Agent Address: 20434 S SANTA FE AVE
Agent City, State, Zip: LONG BEACH CA 90810

So the Company was incorporated on November 16, 2009, yet they have agreements with their name on it dated February 3, 2009, it could be a typo - however, this agreement just seems really "off" to me.  If we can find documents or news stories with Vintage Pop Media prior to November 16, 2009 then something is not right.  I don't know who Marvin Epstein, I googled and the only thing that might be him is this on the google search:

MARVIN EPSTEIN, SILVERBERG STONEHILL & GOLDSMITH, P.C. 111 W 40TH ...This page contains all the U.S. trademarks filed by MARVIN EPSTEIN, a trademark correspondent at SILVERBERG STONEHILL & GOLDSMITH, P.C. in 111 W 40TH ST ...
http://www.trademarkia.com/corresponden ... n-1-633675 - United States - Cached

Then if I google Michael Jackson and Marvin Epstein, it comes up with this

RONNIE HELLER DESIGNS FOR MJ - Trademark by M. J. ORIGINALS, LTD ...MARVIN EPSTEIN. SILVERBERG STONEHILL & GOLDSMITH, P.C.. 111 WEST 40TH STREET. NEW YORK, NY 10018 ... NEW Michael Jackson Commercial! - The 2008 Comeback ♥ ...
http://www.trademarkia.com/ronnie-helle ... 32992.html - United States - Cached

Looks to me that he is some kind of trademark agent or person dealing in intellectual property.  But who knows, when I went on a myspace page of Marvin Epstein, he says he is the Wiz! LOL - my head hurts with too much info, but perhaps we can delve into this a little, more, but my gut tells me something is really not right about this contract.

[Serenitys_Dream]

RONNIE HELLER DESIGNS FOR MJ - Trademark by M. J. ORIGINALS, LTD ...MARVIN EPSTEIN. SILVERBERG STONEHILL & GOLDSMITH, P.C.. 111 WEST 40TH STREET. NEW YORK, NY 10018 ... NEW Michael Jackson Commercial! - The 2008 Comeback ♥ ...
http://www.trademarkia.com/ronnie-helle ... 32992.html - United States - Cached

This is a clothing line. I don't think it has anything to do with Michael Jackson.

NEW YORK -- Ronnie Heller has joined the Richard Warren division of The Warren Group as design director.
Heller had been a partner and designer at Ronnie Heller Inc., a dress firm here.
At Warren, Heller will be responsible for designing four dress collections: Richard Warren day dresses, Richard Warren Evenings, petites and large sizes.

He reports to Robert Bronstein, president of Richard Warren. Bronstein said the Richard Warren collections had been created by a team of designers since last May, when its designer for 12 years, Constance Saunders, left the company to do a signature collection under her own label for Depeche ...
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-13400959.html

A couple other related names are Ronnie Heller Inc. Ronnie Heller Designs for MJ, MJ Originals Ltd. these are woman's fashions/dresses design companies.

[Snoopy71]

RONNIE HELLER DESIGNS FOR MJ - Trademark by M. J. ORIGINALS, LTD ...MARVIN EPSTEIN. SILVERBERG STONEHILL & GOLDSMITH, P.C.. 111 WEST 40TH STREET. NEW YORK, NY 10018 ... NEW Michael Jackson Commercial! - The 2008 Comeback ♥ ...
http://www.trademarkia.com/ronnie-helle ... 32992.html - United States - Cached

This is a clothing line. I don't think it has anything to do with Michael Jackson.

NEW YORK -- Ronnie Heller has joined the Richard Warren division of The Warren Group as design director.
Heller had been a partner and designer at Ronnie Heller Inc., a dress firm here.
At Warren, Heller will be responsible for designing four dress collections: Richard Warren day dresses, Richard Warren Evenings, petites and large sizes.

He reports to Robert Bronstein, president of Richard Warren. Bronstein said the Richard Warren collections had been created by a team of designers since last May, when its designer for 12 years, Constance Saunders, left the company to do a signature collection under her own label for Depeche ...
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-13400959.html

A couple other related names are Ronnie Heller Inc. Ronnie Heller Designs for MJ, MJ Originals Ltd. these are woman's fashions/dresses design companies.

wasn't there an article talking about the Jackson brothers were producing a clothing line?...but what would that have to do with Katherine and the VPM contract?...this is going in circles...my head hurts now too!  :roll:  something is way off here.

[shelby61]

RONNIE HELLER DESIGNS FOR MJ - Trademark by M. J. ORIGINALS, LTD ...MARVIN EPSTEIN. SILVERBERG STONEHILL & GOLDSMITH, P.C.. 111 WEST 40TH STREET. NEW YORK, NY 10018 ... NEW Michael Jackson Commercial! - The 2008 Comeback ♥ ...
http://www.trademarkia.com/ronnie-helle ... 32992.html - United States - Cached

This is a clothing line. I don't think it has anything to do with Michael Jackson.

NEW YORK -- Ronnie Heller has joined the Richard Warren division of The Warren Group as design director.
Heller had been a partner and designer at Ronnie Heller Inc., a dress firm here.
At Warren, Heller will be responsible for designing four dress collections: Richard Warren day dresses, Richard Warren Evenings, petites and large sizes.

Yes I realize it is a woman's clothing line lol; however, this person seems to be involved in intellectual property rights - perhaps someone who represents people who want to registered their trademarks for specific things, ie... clothing - however, why would this "NEW Michael Jackson Commercial - The 2008 Comeback" be in the same google search?

[Serenitys_Dream]

RONNIE HELLER DESIGNS FOR MJ - Trademark by M. J. ORIGINALS, LTD ...MARVIN EPSTEIN. SILVERBERG STONEHILL & GOLDSMITH, P.C.. 111 WEST 40TH STREET. NEW YORK, NY 10018 ... NEW Michael Jackson Commercial! - The 2008 Comeback ♥ ...
http://www.trademarkia.com/ronnie-helle ... 32992.html - United States - Cached

This is a clothing line. I don't think it has anything to do with Michael Jackson.

NEW YORK -- Ronnie Heller has joined the Richard Warren division of The Warren Group as design director.
Heller had been a partner and designer at Ronnie Heller Inc., a dress firm here.
At Warren, Heller will be responsible for designing four dress collections: Richard Warren day dresses, Richard Warren Evenings, petites and large sizes.

Yes I realize it is a woman's clothing line lol; however, this person seems to be involved in intellectual property rights - perhaps someone who represents people who want to registered their trademarks for specific things, ie... clothing - however, why would this "NEW Michael Jackson Commercial - The 2008 Comeback" be in the same google search?

Because there are links on the web page to other things and a couple are commercial videos. When you put "Michael Jackson and Marvin Epstein" into google you are receiving information located about both of them but that information may not be actually linked, it is just that there is info about both people located on that site.

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[shelby61]

Thank you for your answer, but we still need to find out who Marvin Epstein is and how he is tied into Vintage Pop Media lol..........

[Serenitys_Dream]

Thank you for your answer, but we still need to find out who Marvin Epstein is and how he is tied into Vintage Pop Media lol..........

The Marvin Epstein linked to the patents is:

MARVIN EPSTEIN
This page contains all the U.S. trademarks filed by MARVIN EPSTEIN, a trademark correspondent at SILVERBERG STONEHILL & GOLDSMITH, P.C. in 111 W 40TH ST , NEW YORK NY 10018-2561 . MARVIN EPSTEIN has filed a total of 13 trademarks in the United States Patent and Trademark Office. It is possible that MARVIN EPSTEIN has also filed other trademarks through his/her firm or company, and these are not listed in the list below. The list below is generated based on trademark correspondent identification information provided to the United States Patent Office (USPTO).
http://www.trademarkia.com/correspondent-marvin-epstein-1-633675

Dunno if that is the same guy or not as is listed in the VPM info you posted.

But...

Entity Name: VINTAGE POP MEDIA MUSIC, LLC
Entity Number: 200932110101
Date Filed: 11/16/2009
Status: ACTIVE
Jurisdiction: CALIFORNIA
Entity Address: 20434 S SANTA FE AVE
Entity City, State, Zip: LONG BEACH CA 90810
Agent for Service of Process: MARVIN EPSTEIN
Agent Address: 20434 S SANTA FE AVE
Agent City, State, Zip: LONG BEACH CA 90810

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[SoldierofLOVE]

Maybe Mother Kate felt the only way to gain any kind of control over the personal items of which Mann legally ownes was to make a deal with him. If she doesn't, he's free to do whatever he wants with many items that were special to the family.
TMZ is trying to make Mother Kate look like some money hungry person and she has never been anythiing but that. However, she will do what she has to do to make sure MJ and the family are protected.
Remember how much MJ loves his mother, so much that he trusted her to keep his children safe while he's gone. We need to trust MJ and his decision.

Hmmm.  This makes the most sense to me.  Thank you foreverking.

[Tumic Shason]

THIS IS GARBAGE!OH BOY DOES IT STINK!!!!!