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[Serenitys_Dream]

On the This is It dvd,  it shows MJ arriving/leaving to the press conference on a buggy.

Whereas all the videos of the 02 announcement, show him not going on the buggy, but instead choosing to walk instead.......

[youtube:3uniisu0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqzvD4CmP9Q[/youtube:3uniisu0]

Your comment made me remember something odd...

The arrival on the bus appears in the trailer for the movie "This Is it" and the dancers say "there's Michael", "There's the man", "Woo", "The man is here" and then we see Michael enter a door, the screen goes Black and we see him inside Culver Studios, wearing the same jacket as the O2 Press conference. The stuff from Culver Studios is the "Green Screening" of the 11 dancers into 1100 for "They Don't Care About Us" Arch shot.





Starts at about 0:29 in the video

[youtube:3uniisu0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iEHGU6hd04[/youtube:3uniisu0]





In the movie itself we don't see that arrival by bus and the dialogue starts after Michael has already entered Culver studios.





So are we see Michael enter the O2 for the press conference or his entering Culver Studios?
If it is from the Press conference why do they make it look like it's Culver Studios in the trailer for "This Is It"?
If it is Culver Studios, then why is it included in the video for the O2 Press Conference and how would that be possible if the Culver studio footage was filmed AFTER the O2 Press Conference?
Why would Michael be wearing the same Jacket at Culver that he wore at the O2 Press Conference and then they combine this footage when he makes his entrance at Culver Studios?

You just blew my mind Serenity!  :shock:  :lol:

I always thought the whole press conference looked really staged, and it didn't seem to me that the audience there was even in the same room, or filmed the same day.  It looked fake and weird and off.  So if it was all just filmed in a studio that would make a lot of sense.

If that was Michael, then maybe he was wearing a prosthetic mask of "himself" - for the purpose of speculation.  He would act out of character (he was very Tom Cruise-ish to me at that press conference), and talk differently then have a strange confrontational manner at the very end with someone we can't see.

How about this. It is an audio clip from a video recorded by a fan at the O2 conference. The video has been removed from youtube but I saved it and extracted this audio. I have slowed it down a bit. A guy in the crowd at the O2 Press Conference says "We're going to a Funeral"

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[MJonmind]

Interesting observation Serenitys_Dream! Makes me wonder how many other purposeful oddities we have still not found. It's like we're taken in and out of illusion and reality, spinning our heads.

[mjjamm]

On the This is It dvd,  it shows MJ arriving/leaving to the press conference on a buggy.

Whereas all the videos of the 02 announcement, show him not going on the buggy, but instead choosing to walk instead.......

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[youtube:1c2xj4h1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqzvD4CmP9Q&playnext=1&list=PL53757CA97B9D8894&index=10[/youtube:1c2xj4h1]

Your comment made me remember something odd...

[attachment=0:1c2xj4h1]O2 Press Bus.png[/attachment:1c2xj4h1]


The arrival on the bus appears in the trailer for the movie "This Is it" and the dancers say "there's Michael", "There's the man", "Woo", "The man is here" and then we see Michael enter a door, the screen goes Black and we see him inside Culver Studios, wearing the same jacket as the O2 Press conference. The stuff from Culver Studios is the "Green Screening" of the 11 dancers into 1100 for "They Don't Care About Us" Arch shot.

Starts at about 0:29 in the video

[youtube:1c2xj4h1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iEHGU6hd04[/youtube:1c2xj4h1]

[attachment=4:1c2xj4h1]Trailer TII 1.png[/attachment:1c2xj4h1]
[attachment=3:1c2xj4h1]Trailer TII 2.png[/attachment:1c2xj4h1]

In the movie itself we don't see that arrival by bus and the dialogue starts after Michael has already entered Culver studios.

[attachment=2:1c2xj4h1]TII DVD 1.png[/attachment:1c2xj4h1]
[attachment=1:1c2xj4h1]TII DVD 2.png[/attachment:1c2xj4h1]
So are we see Michael enter the O2 for the press conference or his entering Culver Studios?
If it is from the Press conference why do they make it look like it's Culver Studios in the trailer for "This Is It"?
If it is Culver Studios, then why is it included in the video for the O2 Press Conference and how would that be possible if the Culver studio footage was filmed AFTER the O2 Press Conference?
Why would Michael be wearing the same Jacket at Culver that he wore at the O2 Press Conference and then they combine this footage when he makes his entrance at Culver Studios?

Because it's all a movie and a big huge hoax!    :lol:

THE PICTURE OF HIM ENTERING THE DOOR IS NOT THE SAME OF THE OTWO, HE IS ENTERING THE DOOR TO WHERE THE SCENE WHERE MICHAEL TELLS THE PIANO GUY HOW HE WANTS THE WAY YOU MAKE ME FEEL IS PLAYED

[Grace]

My bet is on the table full of computer photoshop nerds working away at them..

This is press room equipment that is being provided at important events.
This is giving prepared PR information to the press vultures so they have images & text to copy and paste. Usually you would use an office space somewhere down the corridor "backstage" and not place them inside of the "official press conference room" which in fact was a lobby at O2. (rings "lobbyist" to me...)

The photoshop of the images is of miserable amateur quality and was either done in a rush or on purpose. As the O2 conference was the kick-off of everything following, I personally tend to not consider "done in a rush". The hiatus of the publication platform of those over 400 photoshop examples of "how to not do it" fits into the picture.

[Sinderella]

This is press room equipment that is being provided at important events.
This is giving prepared PR information to the press vultures so they have images & text to copy and paste. Usually you would use an office space somewhere down the corridor "backstage" and not place them inside of the "official press conference room" which in fact was a lobby at O2. (rings "lobbyist" to me...)
The photoshop of the images is of miserable amateur quality and was either done in a rush or on purpose. As the O2 conference was the kick-off of everything following, I personally tend to not consider "done in a rush". The hiatus of the publication platform of those over 400 photoshop examples of "how to not do it" fits into the picture.

I know what a press room is I have sat in one many times,it doesn't look like any press or production room I have ever been in.Doesn't answer my question of why this picture still taken from TII was shown or why they had to alter them that much to make it look more like MJ..if it was MJ standing at the conference.
Whenever it was done, the pictures looking more MJ like-whiter/different nose etc were not released until December 09 the only ones on the net between March and Dec were the original ones that look nothing like him...9months isn't a rush.

On the This is It dvd,  it shows MJ arriving/leaving to the press conference on a buggy.
Whereas all the videos of the 02 announcement, show him not going on the buggy, but instead choosing to walk instead.......

[youtube:xlv5d9te]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqzvD4CmP9Q[/youtube:xlv5d9te]

Your comment made me remember something odd...

The arrival on the bus appears in the trailer for the movie "This Is it" and the dancers say "there's Michael", "There's the man", "Woo", "The man is here" and then we see Michael enter a door, the screen goes Black and we see him inside Culver Studios, wearing the same jacket as the O2 Press conference. The stuff from Culver Studios is the "Green Screening" of the 11 dancers into 1100 for "They Don't Care About Us" Arch shot.





Starts at about 0:29 in the video

[youtube:xlv5d9te]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iEHGU6hd04[/youtube:xlv5d9te]





In the movie itself we don't see that arrival by bus and the dialogue starts after Michael has already entered Culver studios.





So are we see Michael enter the O2 for the press conference or his entering Culver Studios?
If it is from the Press conference why do they make it look like it's Culver Studios in the trailer for "This Is It"?
If it is Culver Studios, then why is it included in the video for the O2 Press Conference and how would that be possible if the Culver studio footage was filmed AFTER the O2 Press Conference?
Why would Michael be wearing the same Jacket at Culver that he wore at the O2 Press Conference and then they combine this footage when he makes his entrance at Culver Studios?

You just blew my mind Serenity!  :shock:  :lol:

I always thought the whole press conference looked really staged, and it didn't seem to me that the audience there was even in the same room, or filmed the same day.  It looked fake and weird and off.  So if it was all just filmed in a studio that would make a lot of sense.

How about this. It is an audio clip from a video recorded by a fan at the O2 conference. The video has been removed from youtube but I saved it and extracted this audio. I have slowed it down a bit. A guy in the crowd at the O2 Press Conference says "We're going to a Funeral"

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Thank you for aiding this side of the argument Serenity
People forget sometimes to connect the 02 conference with TII.
We were shown the guys sitting round on photoshop with 02 press pictures for a reason.
The 02 was not real,and it was not Michael..you see the same walk/bounce in TII which we know used doubles...so why would anyone not allow themselves to believe a double was used for the 02 conference when TII is FULL of them??
The double's were used throughout Michael's life for all kinds of things he either couldn't attend or to distract crowds etc...why is it so unbelieveable to assume one was used for the 02 part of the 'production'?




Some guy in a blue suit standing on the stage?where did he come from?


They are all supposed to be from the same conference.
The stage looks different ,there is some guy who has a blue suit on standing infront of the podium where MJ is meant to be talking,the stage looks cluttered and busy in one shot but totally clear in another-this was meant to be live,there were no breaks or commercials were it was tidied up before the next installment.It only lasted about 6mins if that.
Also on the sky news picture the red curtain rail-to me-looks like it is running in a circular shape and on the MJJpics it looks more angular and square

Those two photos were taken from different places, so different angles, different lights, different cameras. His nose looks more slim in the paler photo, but I think it's just because of the light.

Sorry to sound rude but-Are you being serious?

It is possible though that someone photosopped some of the O2 pictures.
But these two don't prove it to me, as they are basically different. On the second photo you can see a necklace under his left collar. And the mike covers his suit differently, you can see it if you focus on the embroidery.

It's possible?I have put a picture up from TII that SHOWS you 6guys photoshopping them :/
They are the same picture,with two very different looking Michael's.

[Grace]

Almost all pictures were photoshopped and published in that terrible quality in spring.
Those pictures popping up afterwards were trying to give the impression that it was indeed Michael at the conference as they were mainly "giving more light" to the face.
There are at least 2 fan videos out there. It's from those videos that we know they had to wait for hours for the announcement and that Michael arrived late.

[Datroot]

My friend was there so I know nothing was staged - it was a real press conference.

[all4loveandbelieve]

check this video on youtube it will explain. I had posted it on another thread.
This will explain alot.
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[DREAMSandTRUTH]

 Released:March 09
Released December 09

Like I said before...If they were going to photoshop the pictures to REMOVE the tan he quite obviously had,slim his nose down,change his chin,chop his hair,why make him look different in the first place?
Why not save these 6 guys below a job of 'shopping every picture to make them look MORE like Michael?

PHOTOSHOP R US


and this is without the lack of vocab,weird behaviour/walk/bounce/accent..etc.
No one is going to change my mind.

Those two photos were taken from different places, so different angles, different lights, different cameras. His nose looks more slim in the paler photo, but I think it's just because of the light.
It is possible though that someone photosopped some of the O2 pictures.
But these two don't prove it to me, as they are basically different. On the second photo you can see a necklace under his left collar. And the mike covers his suit differently, you can see it if you focus on the embroidery.

You must be kidding me?

To Souza and Sinderella,
My point is that those two photos are not the same. You can prove the photoshop thing better with two photos which are the same - except Michael's face, of course.
I was sleepy when I wrote my post, I didn't think it over very much. I only posted about it because Sinderella said
"Like I say when I have compiled my fact file I will present it.I'm a perfectionist so until I have everything in it...i'm holding on to it."
and I thought I tell my opinion to her that these two photos are probably not the best for proving that the first one was photoshopped. As they are basically not the same.
It can be that two photographers stood next to each other (this is what I ment by different places, not miles away ) and the two of them used different settings in connection with the light/brilliance of their own cameras (I don't know too much about photography, but as I know they can even imitate that it's daylight when it's already getting dark).
Of course it could be made by the same photographer, just in different moments, so Michael moved during that time - and that's why his hair covers his necklace in one photo and doesn't on the other, etc. In this case, it's photoshopped, as the same photographer couldn't change the setting of his camera during such a short time.
I'm just writing down my thoughts to help you to think it over, I'm not against you  
And I don't say I can be a big help, as I'm not someone professional in photography, I just tried  
With love,
DREAMSandTRUTH

[Sinderella]

check this video on youtube it will explain. I had posted it on another thread.
This will explain alot.
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THANK YOU^^^
been trying to find that exact video but I have so much stuff,it's lost in the rest of the info.
It is CLEAR that 02 MJ was not MJ.
All the points made in this thread are in this about the lighting,facial features being different,hair not being the same...
Michael was there,he was pictured arriving,at the hotel before and after and sitting in the mini van,but it 100% was not him on that 02 stage.
Dermott said later in another interview when he hugged him he was like wow..this guy is ripped'...Michael Jackson was not really what I would called 'ripped' having personally dated a Muai Thai Kickboxer.
The 2 pictures I put up from March and then from December clearly show alterations in the nose,chin,skin colour,length of neck-meaning yes now he has a visible necklace on...and different sized hands.
He was the same up and down...the 02 MJ was bigger on the top with thinner legs.
And maybe why he had a double on stand by was because he had been the guy walking into Culver City studios as well,and the footage was going to be in TII-it had to match up.They had to get that footage of him stepping out the mini bus to go inside and then on TII he is walking into the green screen room like he just got off the same mini bus.
It would also explain why he asked Dermott was the teleprompter on...no time to learn Michael's speech.

TBH,as soon as he walked on stage i thought...'ha...who is this...that isn't Michael Jackson's face'his nose and chin gave it away first and then the rest of the odd actions/accent/speech followed.

I never once said it was not real.I believe it was staged in accordance with the hoax/TII that followed and that possibly 2 were done,one live for TV and media purposes-they did have to make out like the TII tour was REAL and was going to happen,and then one not which would explain the different stage set ups,lighting,him in the golf buggy one min and not the next.
-I also don't consider 2 videos from fans out of a possbile 2000 to be nearly enough.
There should have been hundreds of versions of it and there is not...Just like every picture is a released picture,hardly any fan ones exist.Had I of been in the UK at the time and gone, I would of taken hundreds and uploaded them immidiatley which would then of come up in google searches.
There are a few...but I think they just slipped through the net.

[trustno1]

Sinderella, Wow, Maui Thai kickboxer?  8-) Now I imagine that would be the definition of "ripped"!  Seriously though I think you've made all the points as clear as can be, if there are those who still aren't seeing it I doubt they will, until this is all over. Just like all the other theories there are going to be those that believe and those that don't.  It's felt like we're running around in circles at times and I think if we could get our hands on footage that isn't "official", from someone who was actually there, it would be invaluable.  Maybe people were only allowed to film very briefly, there could have been footage confiscated, we really need to hear it from someone who was there.  It is very odd that such a "historic" announcement wouldn't be all over the internet in any other form but the official one (with a couple of exceptions maybe).  Especially after his "death" people who were there would be posting footage and saying "I was there".

[Datroot]

Well my friend was there but I don't think she took any pics so I can't post anything but I do know it took place for real.  My friend did say that MJ looked odd that day and nothing like she expected him to look.  My own personal opinion is swaying towards it not being MJ at the 02 because of all the discrepancies in his features and also he seemed taller.  The only thing making me unsure is his voice because, although it was deeper than usual, it still had the same old MJ mannerisms and inflections.

[AgentBJ]

The O2-guy is definitely ripped! He looks like a leightweight bodybuilder.

[Datroot]

The O2-guy is definitely ripped! He looks like a leightweight bodybuilder.

He looked very thin to me, nothing like a body builder at all (lol) but I have heard people say MJ had a strong handshake.

[MJmakesmespeechless]

I think it's Michael at the O2. I don't believe anyone could look that similar to Michael even with lots of cosmetic surgeries and/or masks or prosthetic makeup.
Compare the second and the third photos which mjjamm posted: you can see that Michael's facial muscles work/move the same way as they worked when he was younger. This cannot be imitated IMO.
Btw. his teeth looks the same to me too.
And last but not least, you look a little different on every photo or even video. It depends on the light, on the angle etc. I know you guys know it, I don't have to explain it, I'm just saying  
Just watch this Ebony photo, does Michael's smile look as it generally used to look? I think it looks way less a typical Michael-smile than as Michael smiles at the O2.

Iam with you a 1000%
Always have and always will believe Michael was at 02. Thank you