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[michaelsupporter]

It is quite possible that this was taped awhile back.  We may want to check out to see recent pictures of Oprah and LMP (for instance:  is their hair the same and the weight the same).  Perhaps this is why there is no apology from Oprah.   We know that Oprah yo yo's on her weight.   Of course LMP has kept pretty quiet and out of the limelight since MJ's "death" so it may be hard to find recent pics of her....just a thought ;)

I was thinking that this was taped a while back as well. LMP looks really pale, haggard, and heavier....just like "normal" people look right after they have given birth. (I know I looked like crap for quite awhile after I had my son.) I am wondering if this interview happened closer to after the birth of her twins? But the twins were born Oct. '08.....so I'm not sure. It was what  crossed my mind as soon as I saw her. Something is definitely fishy about this whole interview though......

I thought the entire time, that woman is pregnant...or she'd just had a baby.  Even the way she held her arms about her middle and the camo, same colored outfit was designed to disguise, as everyone female knows...

This same very thought had occurred to me too! What do you all think of that one???? And, could it be remotely possible that she is with Michael Jackson and not Lockwood?????

[nefari]

And the photos of Murray with "his newest child", I kept thinking wow that child looks like could be a new child of Michael Jackson's. I've been wondering for awhile if maybe LMP is still with MJ and everything else is just a smoke-screen but I didn't say anything for fear of people getting angry with me.

[ER911]

Tweet from Jackie Jackson moments ago

JackieJackson5

Just finished taping the Oprah show. The show is about Teenage Heart Throbs - & I was Oprah's! We had lots of fun - watch the show Nov 4th
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Oprah's tweet yesterday said she had a SURPRISE date with Jackie.

Does it seem to anyone else that, against all odds, The Jacksons are definitely in cahoots with Oprah?   :?:  :idea:  Maybe Michael really is using her in this "HIStory in the Making" saga....

I was thinking the same thing.  And, perhaps this Oprah interviewing is all taking place at this time because the new album is coming out next month?  Getting publicity, even if it is with Oprah?  Just a thought.

And, maybe I am cynical, but I just don't believe all of what LMP spoke about.  They were in love, but he basically says, if you will not give me children, Debbie is waiting on the sidelines to fill the spot?  Pleeeeease, what kind of *real* marriage would put up with that, even if it were MJ.  Remember, she's not like a star struck fan, who would do anything just to be near him.  Would she really put up with that?  And, if they were truly in love, would she be going on vacations with her ex husband, even if it were just a platonic thing?  I mean, they were only married a year and a half (according to this interview) they should still be in the honeymoon stage of their marriage, especially if they weren't together a lot of the time.  Just doesn't sound real to me, just my opinion.

And why now?  Why does she say how much they were in love, after a decade and after he is dead.  And why at the other interview she states, "Holy mother of God, what was I thinking?"  I wiil never forget those words.

Maybe she feels bad about how things turned out and wants to make things right, but seems a little late to me.  Could it be that she's been getting hate mail or something?  Or, she did reveal she is going to release an album next year, perhaps she wants to get on MJ's fans good side?

But the thing that bothered me the most was when she talked about whether or not she believed he did anything to those accusers.  She said to her knowledge, nothing ever happened.  That the only people who really know are MJ and the person in the room.  Well, duh, that is obvious.  But how many times has Jermaine stated MJ is 1000 percent innocent.  He obviously doesn't know for a  fact, he wasn't in the room, yet he states profatically that he is 1000 percent innocent.  Why couldn't she do the same?   She left that little seed of doubt for people.   :evil:  And that makes me angry.

I understand your point of view concerning Lisas' statement & the "seed of doubt".  However, I think we need to be careful in thinking that Lisa should have echoed Jermaines' statement.

Why should she say that she is 100% sure with regard to what did or did not transpire in that particular room? She would be labeled a liar if she said she knew because she was not in the room.

I do however, think that there was no need for her to add that to her statement, because Oprah did not ask her for the particulars.

Perhaps Lisa wanted it made very clear that although she herself never witnessed any wrong doing by Michael, that she could not verify specifics because she was not there.

Lisa was simply being honest about that specific event & I don't think we should fault her for that.

[Andrea]

I wrote earlier in this thread and I still think it's possible that Oprah herself is being manipulated, as she is part of the "media" that LMP said Michael is the master of manipulating.  And I believe this more so because the interview took place at LMP's and Oprah also visited the Jackson Encino home - so they were on their turf, not Oprah's.  I think it's possible that they're playing Oprah and there's no way Oprah would turn down an opportunity to interview LMP or the Jacksons, particularly Katherine because Katherine is so well respected and loved by Michael.

As for LMP's weight - I think part of the reason she moved to the UK was to escape the shallow attitudes of people in California and just wants to be comfortable and not be constantly photographed and criticized about the way she looks.  I think she looks great, but maybe a little tired.

[anewfan]

It is quite possible that this was taped awhile back.  We may want to check out to see recent pictures of Oprah and LMP (for instance:  is their hair the same and the weight the same).  Perhaps this is why there is no apology from Oprah.   We know that Oprah yo yo's on her weight.   Of course LMP has kept pretty quiet and out of the limelight since MJ's "death" so it may be hard to find recent pics of her....just a thought ;)

I was thinking that this was taped a while back as well. LMP looks really pale, haggard, and heavier....just like "normal" people look right after they have given birth. (I know I looked like crap for quite awhile after I had my son.) I am wondering if this interview happened closer to after the birth of her twins? But the twins were born Oct. '08.....so I'm not sure. It was what  crossed my mind as soon as I saw her. Something is definitely fishy about this whole interview though......

I thought the entire time, that woman is pregnant...or she'd just had a baby.  Even the way she held her arms about her middle and the camo, same colored outfit was designed to disguise, as everyone female knows...

This same very thought had occurred to me too! What do you all think of that one???? And, could it be remotely possible that she is with Michael Jackson and not Lockwood?????

I had that same thought on Lockwood, but then I thought it was too far-fetched. This whole hoax has definitely allowed my imagination to run wild and to know that the truth is often-times stranger than fiction! I sure hope we are given all the answers to this huge puzzle eventually!

[MissG]

Since I believe that par of the interview shows the mirror image of it, this I take as a metaphor.....Starting with the "women in the mirror"

I think that both, Oprah and LMP have changed their opnion about Michael and to make the change one must start with the man in the mirror  ;)

Is it me? or I see a mirror view?? The camera must be taking the image from a mirror. Pls, observe how the box stands. Looks like is reflected in the mirror, standing on a console or chest of drawers.

[paula-c]

By that this LMP's photo next to the coffin is published 16 months after Michael's "death"?, probably still we have not seen everything. 8-)

[Serenitys_Dream]

Since I believe that par of the interview shows the mirror image of it, this I take as a metaphor.....Starting with the "women in the mirror"

I think that both, Oprah and LMP have changed their opnion about Michael and to make the change one must start with the man in the mirror  ;)

Is it me? or I see a mirror view?? The camera must be taking the image from a mirror. Pls, observe how the box stands. Looks like is reflected in the mirror, standing on a console or chest of drawers.

I don't think Oprah has changed her opinion at all. She is doing these shows for ratings and because fans demand it. She did not do a tribute show until fans became angry about it, then she did one that didn't amount to much of a tribute. She then also removed all videos of Michael, from her website, that had been on previous interviews with him, fans were very upset. People have been questioning her motives as they are perceiving her as being anti-Michael so all of this is also o maintain her image and retain her influence on the public. I think that Oprah is manipulating the situation but she is actually being manipulated herself, by Michael, and doesn't even realize it.

[starlight30]

1. First before the interview there is a shot of purple flowers. Lisa is wearing purple. There is another shot of different purple flowers later on. Oprah is wearing the same colors and a sunflower. Of course, she wanted fans to send one sunflower because that was his favorite flower. I think she mentioned she kept them around Neverland. So now she keeps them at her house in London? I made me wonder if he was there w/them.
2. Then LMP mentions the people around him where vampires. Oprah echos vampires. LMP added, "vampires, spiders". I thought spiders was an interesting thing to add, since in TII MJ came out from under a spider.
SPIDER: Linked to treachery and death in many cultures, it was seen as a "trickster" in ancient Africa, a "spinner of fate" in ancient goddess cultures and -- in ancient Greek myths -- the goddess Arachne turned into a spider by her jealous rival Athena. "Christian" cultures have linked it both to an evil force that sucked blood from its victims and to "good luck" because of the cross on the back of some species. The Chinese have welcomed the spider descending on its thread as a bringer of joys from heaven. hmmmmm....trickster.....joker
3. Then the date of the interview 10-21-2010 so we have 1 + 3+3. Oprah mentions Elvis died 33 years ago. 33 being the highest level of FM.
4. Then the weird photo of her w/his casket. Why would someone want or keep or show a photo w/a casket? Why would an ex wife of 13 years ago be the last one w/him? It is taken from an above shot angle. She is wearing a big white flower, I think one black glove and is holding the booklet. I saw one pic of her getting out of the limo and one far away in a back seat shot. I don't see any big white flower on her.
5. Then they giggle at the end. Say what???

[alovesmichael]

I don't know why some people started to lose their hope after this interview. We saw Janet, Latoya, Jermaine and some other family members talking about MJ's supposed death. But we didn't lose hope. So why now? Keep the faith guys. Remember all of the things we have found till today. They can not be coincidences only. It doesn't make me feel good too when they talk about MJ like he really died, but this must be in the plan. As long as we believe Michael is alive, we shouldn't forget that he is directing the show. What was said by LMP on Oprah and whatever is said by his parents and kids will be by his direction!

And one last reminder for you all. Oprah show is produced by AEG!!!

Actually, why could it not be coincidences? And if for example money does play a big part in this whole circus since June 25th it would make quite a few things more understandable. How could Michael be directing this interview when it's clear that Oprah couldn't care less (except from the gossip)? And doesn't AEG produce tons of shows anyway? Just trying to put things in other perspectives...

[Sinderella]

I found this website,Don't know HOW reliable the people on there are but I noticed it because of a comment made:

This was filmed 9 months ago and Oprah chooses to push back the air date until it's run during a week with two shows on pedophilia?

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If someone has a live journal or is signed up to this ohnotheydidnt community,might be worthwhile possibly messaging the girl who wrote it and find out where she got her information from?If at all or if she's assuming it was 9 months ago.She seems quite specific though.
There are a few comments asking wtf.

This Image is from the article.I don't know that much about the UK countryside..is it sunny and blue skies in fall?
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Like I say,I don't know if it will help but worth looking into if the girl who said it has a source.

Same chick also points this out which I never knew either

Also Oprah's new channel OWN backwards is NWO. New World Order

Learn something new everyday...

[suspicious mind]

I found this website,Don't know HOW reliable the people on there are but I noticed it because of a comment made:

This was filmed 9 months ago and Oprah chooses to push back the air date until it's run during a week with two shows on pedophilia?

[center:14bg6q91]http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/52310231.html?page=1#comments[/center:14bg6q91]

If someone has a live journal or is signed up to this ohnotheydidnt community,might be worthwhile possibly messaging the girl who wrote it and find out where she got her information from?If at all or if she's assuming it was 9 months ago.She seems quite specific though.
There are a few comments asking wtf.

This Image is from the article.I don't know that much about the UK countryside..is it sunny and blue skies in fall?
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Like I say,I don't know if it will help but worth looking into if the girl who said it has a source.

Same chick also points this out which I never knew either

Also Oprah's new channel OWN backwards is NWO. New World Order

Learn something new everyday...

does anyone else think lisa looks thinner here and doesn't seem to have on as much eye makeup? or is it just me needn' my jacket? :?

[Sinderella]

does anyone else think lisa looks thinner here and doesn't seem to have on as much eye makeup? or is it just me needn' my jacket?

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[Im_convincedmjalive]

Tweet from Jackie Jackson moments ago

JackieJackson5

Just finished taping the Oprah show. The show is about Teenage Heart Throbs - & I was Oprah's! We had lots of fun - watch the show Nov 4th
less than a minute ago via TweetDeck

Oprah's tweet yesterday said she had a SURPRISE date with Jackie.

Does it seem to anyone else that, against all odds, The Jacksons are definitely in cahoots with Oprah?   :?:  :idea:  Maybe Michael really is using her in this "HIStory in the Making" saga....

I was thinking the same thing.  And, perhaps this Oprah interviewing is all taking place at this time because the new album is coming out next month?  Getting publicity, even if it is with Oprah?  Just a thought.

And, maybe I am cynical, but I just don't believe all of what LMP spoke about.  They were in love, but he basically says, if you will not give me children, Debbie is waiting on the sidelines to fill the spot?  Pleeeeease, what kind of *real* marriage would put up with that, even if it were MJ.  Remember, she's not like a star struck fan, who would do anything just to be near him.  Would she really put up with that?  And, if they were truly in love, would she be going on vacations with her ex husband, even if it were just a platonic thing?  I mean, they were only married a year and a half (according to this interview) they should still be in the honeymoon stage of their marriage, especially if they weren't together a lot of the time.  Just doesn't sound real to me, just my opinion.

And why now?  Why does she say how much they were in love, after a decade and after he is dead.  And why at the other interview she states, "Holy mother of God, what was I thinking?"  I wiil never forget those words.

Maybe she feels bad about how things turned out and wants to make things right, but seems a little late to me.  Could it be that she's been getting hate mail or something?  Or, she did reveal she is going to release an album next year, perhaps she wants to get on MJ's fans good side?

But the thing that bothered me the most was when she talked about whether or not she believed he did anything to those accusers.  She said to her knowledge, nothing ever happened.  That the only people who really know are MJ and the person in the room.  Well, duh, that is obvious.  But how many times has Jermaine stated MJ is 1000 percent innocent.  He obviously doesn't know for a  fact, he wasn't in the room, yet he states profatically that he is 1000 percent innocent.  Why couldn't she do the same?   She left that little seed of doubt for people.   :evil:  And that makes me angry.

I understand your point of view concerning Lisas' statement & the "seed of doubt".  However, I think we need to be careful in thinking that Lisa should have echoed Jermaines' statement.

Why should she say that she is 100% sure with regard to what did or did not transpire in that particular room? She would be labeled a liar if she said she knew because she was not in the room.I do however, think that there was no need for her to add that to her statement, because Oprah did not ask her for the particulars.

Perhaps Lisa wanted it made very clear that although she herself never witnessed any wrong doing by Michael, that she could not verify specifics because she was not there.

Lisa was simply being honest about that specific event & I don't think we should fault her for that.

OMG!

Why?
Because a JURY of 12 people who are strangers who weren't in the ROOM either said NOT GUILTY!

I don't understand how that can be excused as non existence information now.

This is not a fairy tale and a story of fantasy.
This is REAL LIFE.
A man was accused of molestation and found NOT GUILTY.
I don't care if it is Michael or not. I don't care if it is LMP.

I find it hard to think people are ok with the fact O and LMP get a pass on maybe thinking Michael is guilty 5 years later for fear of maybe being a liar?

Think if you were Mike.
You want people maybe thinking you were guilty because they weren't there even though you were found NOT GUILTY in a court of law?
I don't get it.

8-)

[~Souza~]

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I really think that has to do with the picture. And what is wrong with her weight? She lost a lot already, and she carried twins! One of my friends had twins and she never lost the extra weight.