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sternshen, you are bringing up important questions.

I've long-held the view that if Michael's life was in danger, it was due to his mega financial holdings but particularly his ever increasing connections and financial dealings with kings and princes in the Middle East. I do not think that Michael converted to Islam, but his ties with the ME seem extremely powerful as he continued on his mission for peace, justice and right order.  The  United States, with it's very long-standing imperalism and racism, etc. etc.  is not ready for the powerful alliance that Michael seemed to be forging.  They weren't ever ready for a Black man to hold so much power in any case.   Any of us in the US are reminded daily of the "American fear" related to Islam and Muslim power. After all, this is not the plan of the powers that be (read NWO, Illuminati, etc.)  These ties would certainly be enough to put Michael's life in danger just as any revolutionary's life has been in danger...

That said, Prince Al-Waleed in Saudia Arabia seems to have a great hold on the American media.  He owns much of News Group and Time Warner (and this includes TMZ.) You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

It's curious that Kingdom Entertainment and the huge announcement in Paris launching a mega entertainment industry between Prince Al-Waleed and Michael Jackson sort of toppled after a short while with little more than a quick blurb anywhere on the net as to what happened. I mean it was a huge announcement introduced by a most controversial and very powerful man, Khalid Al-Mansour.  Al-Mansour is a very interesting man -- a black nationalist and Muslim from the U.S. becomes primary adviser to Al-Waleed and they all get hooked up with MJ.   I doubt that their relationship ended. That's all I'm going to say about that. It's a hunch.  I have no inside knowledge whatsoever.  I've merely studied U.S. politics and current events.  

(for those of you interested in studying this further, look up Al-Mansour and Barack Obama...)

And, a new website has just popped up for Kingdom Entertainment: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

I'm heartened by what KE did produce while with MJ and the type of work is revealing:  Ghosts, the History album and a couple of other things.  I continue to feel there's a big truth here that we aren't meant to get too close to.  Michael's year-long stay in Bahrain wasn't just to "hide-out" I believe.  "It's not a comeback, it's a take-over" You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Here's a blog about Al-Waleed.  I don't know much about this blog, but the info I post is interesting:http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com/2010/07/michael-jackson-and-prince-al-waleed.html
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I think it would be easier there to hide and not to be recognized than anywhere else....


The 2nd photo you have here is photoshopped.
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I think it would be easier there to hide and not to be recognized than anywhere else....


The 2nd photo you have here is photoshopped.

I know, but I liked it ^^ kind of funny :D
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sternshen, you are bringing up important questions.

I've long-held the view that if Michael's life was in danger, it was due to his mega financial holdings but particularly his ever increasing connections and financial dealings with kings and princes in the Middle East. I do not think that Michael converted to Islam, but his ties with the ME seem extremely powerful as he continued on his mission for peace, justice and right order.  The  United States, with it's very long-standing imperalism and racism, etc. etc.  is not ready for the powerful alliance that Michael seemed to be forging.  They weren't ever ready for a Black man to hold so much power in any case.   Any of us in the US are reminded daily of the "American fear" related to Islam and Muslim power. After all, this is not the plan of the powers that be (read NWO, Illuminati, etc.)  These ties would certainly be enough to put Michael's life in danger just as any revolutionary's life has been in danger...

That said, Prince Al-Waleed in Saudia Arabia seems to have a great hold on the American media.  He owns much of News Group and Time Warner (and this includes TMZ.) You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

You brought up very interesting information.... I need to look at them
Thanks!

It's curious that Kingdom Entertainment and the huge announcement in Paris launching a mega entertainment industry between Prince Al-Waleed and Michael Jackson sort of toppled after a short while with little more than a quick blurb anywhere on the net as to what happened. I mean it was a huge announcement introduced by a most controversial and very powerful man, Khalid Al-Mansour.  Al-Mansour is a very interesting man -- a black nationalist and Muslim from the U.S. becomes primary adviser to Al-Waleed and they all get hooked up with MJ.   I doubt that their relationship ended. That's all I'm going to say about that. It's a hunch.  I have no inside knowledge whatsoever.  I've merely studied U.S. politics and current events.  

(for those of you interested in studying this further, look up Al-Mansour and Barack Obama...)

And, a new website has just popped up for Kingdom Entertainment: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

I'm heartened by what KE did produce while with MJ and the type of work is revealing:  Ghosts, the History album and a couple of other things.  I continue to feel there's a big truth here that we aren't meant to get too close to.  Michael's year-long stay in Bahrain wasn't just to "hide-out" I believe.  "It's not a comeback, it's a take-over" You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Here's a blog about Al-Waleed.  I don't know much about this blog, but the info I post is interesting:http://michaelsguardian.blogspot.com/2010/07/michael-jackson-and-prince-al-waleed.html
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I'm heartened by what KE did produce while with MJ and the type of work is revealing: Ghosts, the History album and a couple of other things. I continue to feel there's a big truth here that we aren't meant to get too close to. Michael's year-long stay in Bahrain wasn't just to "hide-out" I believe. "It's not a comeback, it's a take-over"
I agree with you. Michael has been one busy man, and the public knows nothing of this sadly.
Perhaps the media news of MJ being taken under the protective wing of the Prince in Bahrain, him spending lavishly on MJ, and then the fallout and the Prince suiing MJ was all media lies that perhaps Michael even planted to the news to mislead the public for the sake of the hoax long-term. Meanwhile mega-historical deals and decision were made as part of the take-over over there.  

Just thinking about things MJ said in some interviews, about his finances Michael  said the media presented all lies (albeit MJ-planted) and a couple of times MJ has said he is ALWAYS working, and never stops working, creating. All his song lyrics point to his mission as bringing peace to the world, and part of the "takeover" is his moving amonst the elite of the world and finding those who share his passion, thus ventures like Kingdom Entertainment.

It is so difficult for us to get past this curtain of cloaking, or hiding what Michael is really/has really accomplished for world peace, for the well-being of the children, and for the planet. We have to almost force our minds to think beyond/past this curtain. That is what MJ may be teaching us to do, to re-think with our minds, rather than just blindly accept what is fed to us. This is, of course, in direct opposition to the methods, intentions of the side that tried to destroy MJ by the accusations and trials. I look forward to reading any new info you can find, Sternschen87.  :)
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Hey! I found some story at the Olgeya and her friends'believer Forum:

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After reading Olgeya’s and Arven’s post about Michael’s shareholding in the Hotel in Africa (Out of Africa…), I wanted to know more about the former owner of it – Sol Kerzner You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login.

Why is it this hotel network? Sun City? You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Did Michael decide to invest his money and to become a shareholder?
Michael became interested in Africa after his meeting with Nelson Mandela.

Michael has met Sol supposedly in 1998 or may be even earlier. And in 1998 Michael

had already performed at the opening of Sol’s new hotel “Atlantis” on the Bahamas

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Later, Michael loved to stay at this hotel in the suite for 25000$ per night.
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Sol as a successful businessman should know a lot of famous people of his country…and not only of his country.

Sol Kerzner and Nelson Mandela:

His close relationships with Mandela be beyond any doubt because Sol has helped to pay for wedding of Nelson’s daughter Sol and Donald Trump (Sol’s wife in the claret red dress):


In 1999 the The Guardian posted an article that Michael has bought 27 % of Sun International holding. The deal was appraised at 40 million pounds.
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Sun International company was founded in 1993 and later in 2002 renamed in Kerzner International Holdings Limited.


Also Michael and co have thought about building of a theme park in Namibia and the establishment of an Orphanage in Swaziland as the tourism project.

Let’s move to Vegas.
In 2007 it was decided to open a new resort in Vegas. To manage this project should our Sol.

And the distribution of shares between the joint venture Kerzner International Holdings Limited and MGM Mirage was 50/50: Sol’s money/ MGM’s territory. But Sol Kerzner owns 27% of MGM Mirage. So…Michael also takes his profit You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
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Also Sol Kerzner made a stab at O2. A super-casino was planned by Mr Kerzner’s company and Anshutz Entertainment Group, which developed and operates what is now known as The 02, as part of the liberalisation of Britain’s casino market.
But after the Government granted a single trial super-casino licence to Manchester in January 2007, AEG announced that the casino would not be built in the near future.
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I want to clarify a silly rumor - the Beatles catalogue...

New postby Alem » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:23 pm
“I want to clarify a silly rumor - the Beatles catalogue is not for sale, has not been for sale and will never be for sale” – Michael Jackson


One of the most important rumours that MJ faced were the stories about his finances. This was the rumour that his enemies always used to control his image. In order for them to sensationalize and make up stuff about "Michael Jackson" you first have to believe that he was broke and always in a bad situation.
The best way to break someone’s power is to convince the public that they are going broke.
That that is exactly what THEY did.
I wanted to go to the bottom of this mess and clarify the situation. I believe this has a lot to do with what is going on AS WE SPEAK.

The media have been stating since 2003 that Michael is a broke man, his extravagant lifestyle and legal fees has taken its tool on his finance. With an estimated debt of over 400 million dollars the King of Pop sunny days lays behind him.


Ok, let me begin.

Forbes.com estimates his net worth at around $350 million, but this isn't the full scoop on his net worth. Michael is currently between 200 and $270 million in debt that is a fact not lies, however this does not mean that he is on the verge of filing bankruptcy. Why is he in debt? I know legal fees are expensive but it don’t cost as near as $200 million. The answer is simple, in order to invest you loan. There is an expression that goes like this:

How do billionaires spend their money?
Answer: They don't. They use other people’s money.

Michael Jackson is not the only one using this strategy ALL the infamous billionaires is doing the exact thing. Look at Donald Trump: by 1994 Trump had repaid much of his personal debt and some of the $3.5 billion in business debt.
He had debt up to his ear but managed to revive himself, and that was exactly what Michael Jackson was doing. But did the mainstream media report this? NO.
Were the media dogging Donald Trump when he saw red? NO. The only treat Michael with this dishonour. .

If you were to remove his dept he would have around 50 million to spend. Not bad huh? But it gets better.
Michael had a lot of real estate assets estimated worth around $650 million, .and then don’t forget the SONY/ATV Music Catalogue which is estimated at between $500 million to whopping $1 billion. And unlike many artists Michael Jackson OWNED his own songs and is paid every time his songs play in radio/clubs/mp3. When SONY bought the other 50 % in 1995, Michael Jackson made sure that the other half did not include any of HIS songs.

Michael P. Schulhof, President and CEO of Sony, welcomed the merger and praised Jackson for his efforts in the venture. "Michael Jackson is not only the most successful entertainer in history; he is also an astute businessman.. Michael understands the importance of copyrights and the role they play in the introduction to new technologies.

Jackson's other publishing firm, MiJac Music Inc, which publishes songs written by Jackson himself and which is administered by competitor Warner/Chappell Music, is valued to be worth at least $75 million.

In mid 2007 Jackson purchased Eminem’s music catalogue for $370 million (which is ironic since Eminem publicly disses Michael in one of his video’s portraying him as a child molester). Guess who got the final laugh? The purchase gives Michael the rights to all of Eminem’s music under Shady Records, including 50 cent's music that was released under that label. So that too would bring in about $10 million a year for the King. Michael is laughing all the way to the bank. Someone who is bankrupt could not afford a record label catalogue for $370 million.

So if you add all of this together and subtract his debt, his total net worth is around $1.3 billion. .Michael Jackson is not broke.
But this raises another question.
If he has $1.3 billion in the bank, why can’t he pay off his debt? Simply because the $1.3 billion isn't liquid cash. If you read the terms on Michael Jackson’s $350M USD loan, it said monthly payments will come FROM EARNINGS of his Sony ATV catalogue. It means he will already make good use of the FUTURE earnings of Sony ATV catalogue before he even has it in his hands. He would have doubled the value of his earnings by reinvesting it early. By the time that his Sony ATV catalogue EARNINGS have already paid the 350 Million USD loan, he already increased its value to $700 Million USD or more because he has already invested it in another money-earning venture which are more catalogues.

This above FACTS makes me question Michael Jackson real intention singing a contract to do 50 shows (10 or 30 or whatever the story is). Many says that is because of the money, but I beg to differ. If Michael only wanted to do it for the money then he could have easily done some private shows to rich billionaires/millionaires who are willing to pay several millions to see Michael dance and sing. .This would generate more money than AEG ever would provide. Jack Wishna talked about a show option he offered Jackson. When the interviewer asked how much MJ could have made he said "a billion$". But this was not Michael Jackson style. He wanted extravagant shows and wanted to prove to the fans and the doubters that he still got it. He didn’t want to show his talent to a few people, the WHOLE world would know.


Michael is a billion dollar man walking, I am sorry to say but THEY can’t accept that a black man is successful owing all his songs, making a comeback, having so much loving fans from all races. It is too much, they need to diminish that. Good to know that you know the truth.

Would like to hear your comment regarding the issues I brought up.

Love and peace
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I'm heartened by what KE did produce while with MJ and the type of work is revealing: Ghosts, the History album and a couple of other things. I continue to feel there's a big truth here that we aren't meant to get too close to. Michael's year-long stay in Bahrain wasn't just to "hide-out" I believe. "It's not a comeback, it's a take-over"
I agree with you. Michael has been one busy man, and the public knows nothing of this sadly.
Perhaps the media news of MJ being taken under the protective wing of the Prince in Bahrain, him spending lavishly on MJ, and then the fallout and the Prince suiing MJ was all media lies that perhaps Michael even planted to the news to mislead the public for the sake of the hoax long-term. Meanwhile mega-historical deals and decision were made as part of the take-over over there.  

Just thinking about things MJ said in some interviews, about his finances Michael  said the media presented all lies (albeit MJ-planted) and a couple of times MJ has said he is ALWAYS working, and never stops working, creating. All his song lyrics point to his mission as bringing peace to the world, and part of the "takeover" is his moving amonst the elite of the world and finding those who share his passion, thus ventures like Kingdom Entertainment.

It is so difficult for us to get past this curtain of cloaking, or hiding what Michael is really/has really accomplished for world peace, for the well-being of the children, and for the planet. We have to almost force our minds to think beyond/past this curtain. That is what MJ may be teaching us to do, to re-think with our minds, rather than just blindly accept what is fed to us. This is, of course, in direct opposition to the methods, intentions of the side that tried to destroy MJ by the accusations and trials. I look forward to reading any new info you can find, Sternschen87.  :)


And  I agree with all you're saying as well.  I read somewhere that the problems with the Prince in Bahrain was intentionally made-up and leaked to the media.
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This above FACTS makes me question Michael Jackson real intention singing a contract to do 50 shows (10 or 30 or whatever the story is). Many says that is because of the money, but I beg to differ. If Michael only wanted to do it for the money then he could have easily done some private shows to rich billionaires/millionaires who are willing to pay several millions to see Michael dance and sing. .This would generate more money than AEG ever would provide. Jack Wishna talked about a show option he offered Jackson. When the interviewer asked how much MJ could have made he said "a billion$". But this was not Michael Jackson style. He wanted extravagant shows and wanted to prove to the fans and the doubters that he still got it. He didn’t want to show his talent to a few people, the WHOLE world would know.


Michael is a billion dollar man walking, I am sorry to say but THEY can’t accept that a black man is successful owing all his songs, making a comeback, having so much loving fans from all races. It is too much, they need to diminish that. Good to know that you know the truth.

Would like to hear your comment regarding the issues I brought up.

Love and peace


Good reminder about MJ's true financial picture.    I completely agree and I've said elsewhere that I believe MJ signed that contract in order to ensnare AEG or Sony or both.  And, the truth will come out through Murray.
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Excellent analysis Sternschen and Soldier of Love!  Thank you so much for all your research.  These posts by user "Back" tie in VERY nicely with some of the points you two have brought up.  Some comments are by other users as well...they too are interesting, although some are hard to follow.

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The beauty of Michael Jackson is found in his heart and soul...his enormous talent is a bonus and what a bonus it is.

~PLAY the moments...PAUSE the memories...STOP the pain...REWIND the happiness~

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Excellent analysis Sternschen and Soldier of Love!  Thank you so much for all your research.  These posts by user "Back" tie in VERY nicely with some of the points you two have brought up.  Some comments are by other users as well...they too are interesting, although some are hard to follow.

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very interesting.. thanks
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by BeTheChange » Sat Sep 25, 2010 11:40 pm

Excellent analysis Sternschen and Soldier of Love! Thank you so much for all your research. These posts by user "Back" tie in VERY nicely with some of the points you two have brought up. Some comments are by other users as well...they too are interesting, although some are hard to follow.

I'm reviewing the links you've included.  I always want to tie in our theories with what Back has to say - I believe in him!   He is clearly and brilliantly ON POINT.
Thanks for the Back reminder, BTC.  I wish I could extract his statements and place directly in this thread for all to see.
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I wanted to bump this thread up.  Something occurred today that made me take a second look at everything.   I believe this post is very very important in understanding everything thats going on.  I think the pieces fit together better once we realize how much financial power Michael Jackson had and has.
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I want to clarify a silly rumor - the Beatles catalogue...

New postby Alem » Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:23 pm
“I want to clarify a silly rumor - the Beatles catalogue is not for sale, has not been for sale and will never be for sale” – Michael Jackson


One of the most important rumours that MJ faced were the stories about his finances. This was the rumour that his enemies always used to control his image. In order for them to sensationalize and make up stuff about "Michael Jackson" you first have to believe that he was broke and always in a bad situation.
The best way to break someone’s power is to convince the public that they are going broke.
That that is exactly what THEY did.
I wanted to go to the bottom of this mess and clarify the situation. I believe this has a lot to do with what is going on AS WE SPEAK.

The media have been stating since 2003 that Michael is a broke man, his extravagant lifestyle and legal fees has taken its tool on his finance. With an estimated debt of over 400 million dollars the King of Pop sunny days lays behind him.


Ok, let me begin.

Forbes.com estimates his net worth at around $350 million, but this isn't the full scoop on his net worth. Michael is currently between 200 and $270 million in debt that is a fact not lies, however this does not mean that he is on the verge of filing bankruptcy. Why is he in debt? I know legal fees are expensive but it don’t cost as near as $200 million. The answer is simple, in order to invest you loan. There is an expression that goes like this:

How do billionaires spend their money?
Answer: They don't. They use other people’s money.

Michael Jackson is not the only one using this strategy ALL the infamous billionaires is doing the exact thing. Look at Donald Trump: by 1994 Trump had repaid much of his personal debt and some of the $3.5 billion in business debt.
He had debt up to his ear but managed to revive himself, and that was exactly what Michael Jackson was doing. But did the mainstream media report this? NO.
Were the media dogging Donald Trump when he saw red? NO. The only treat Michael with this dishonour. .

If you were to remove his dept he would have around 50 million to spend. Not bad huh? But it gets better.
Michael had a lot of real estate assets estimated worth around $650 million, .and then don’t forget the SONY/ATV Music Catalogue which is estimated at between $500 million to whopping $1 billion. And unlike many artists Michael Jackson OWNED his own songs and is paid every time his songs play in radio/clubs/mp3. When SONY bought the other 50 % in 1995, Michael Jackson made sure that the other half did not include any of HIS songs.

Michael P. Schulhof, President and CEO of Sony, welcomed the merger and praised Jackson for his efforts in the venture. "Michael Jackson is not only the most successful entertainer in history; he is also an astute businessman.. Michael understands the importance of copyrights and the role they play in the introduction to new technologies.

Jackson's other publishing firm, MiJac Music Inc, which publishes songs written by Jackson himself and which is administered by competitor Warner/Chappell Music, is valued to be worth at least $75 million.

In mid 2007 Jackson purchased Eminem’s music catalogue for $370 million (which is ironic since Eminem publicly disses Michael in one of his video’s portraying him as a child molester). Guess who got the final laugh? The purchase gives Michael the rights to all of Eminem’s music under Shady Records, including 50 cent's music that was released under that label. So that too would bring in about $10 million a year for the King. Michael is laughing all the way to the bank. Someone who is bankrupt could not afford a record label catalogue for $370 million.

So if you add all of this together and subtract his debt, his total net worth is around $1.3 billion. .Michael Jackson is not broke.
But this raises another question.
If he has $1.3 billion in the bank, why can’t he pay off his debt? Simply because the $1.3 billion isn't liquid cash. If you read the terms on Michael Jackson’s $350M USD loan, it said monthly payments will come FROM EARNINGS of his Sony ATV catalogue. It means he will already make good use of the FUTURE earnings of Sony ATV catalogue before he even has it in his hands. He would have doubled the value of his earnings by reinvesting it early. By the time that his Sony ATV catalogue EARNINGS have already paid the 350 Million USD loan, he already increased its value to $700 Million USD or more because he has already invested it in another money-earning venture which are more catalogues.

This above FACTS makes me question Michael Jackson real intention singing a contract to do 50 shows (10 or 30 or whatever the story is). Many says that is because of the money, but I beg to differ. If Michael only wanted to do it for the money then he could have easily done some private shows to rich billionaires/millionaires who are willing to pay several millions to see Michael dance and sing. .This would generate more money than AEG ever would provide. Jack Wishna talked about a show option he offered Jackson. When the interviewer asked how much MJ could have made he said "a billion$". But this was not Michael Jackson style. He wanted extravagant shows and wanted to prove to the fans and the doubters that he still got it. He didn’t want to show his talent to a few people, the WHOLE world would know.


Michael is a billion dollar man walking, I am sorry to say but THEY can’t accept that a black man is successful owing all his songs, making a comeback, having so much loving fans from all races. It is too much, they need to diminish that. Good to know that you know the truth.

Would like to hear your comment regarding the issues I brought up.

Love and peace
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Thanks so much for your work, Sternschen and SoldierofLove!  This is extremely interesting.

Reading these BACK posts again, I am reminded of how knowledgeable he sounds about lots of things...  :shock:  For instance, on 02-06-2007 BACK wrote, in discussing the value of music catalogs:

<You guessed it!  Said artist [i.e. Elvis], though not my cup of tea, would prove "Hill of Beans" not to be worth a "hill of beans".
Just as MJO so effectively stated, VALUE, and my added suggestion of VARIETY, puts the catalogues worth into the stratosphere.  I repeat, 4bil [i.e. 4 billion] may be on the conservative side of estimates.>


I wonder if MJO means MJ?  If yes, is there any publicly-available tape where Michael talks about the value of music catalogs?!  I'm not aware of any such thing... Also:
1. BACK seems very knowledgeable about the value of the ATV catalog (he estimates it at being much higher than the reported $1-$1.2 billion) and music catalogs in general.  And he said that Elvis is not his "cup of tea".  ;)
2. BACK also wrote a few times that the ATV catalog wasn't for sale, and "they ain't gonna get it".  How could he know that for sure?!

BACK, more than anyone else, looks like a real insider to me... And by "insider" I mean someone who either lived in Michael Jackson's head ( ;) ) or else knew a great deal about Michael's thoughts on certain things.
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