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Quote from: "Its her":? :? :? :? :? :? :lol: I am not saying I think you stand by much of this post, simply because you posted it. It makes for an interesting read...but....the only fiction I enjoy these days, is generated by that master story telling "Fabricator", Michael Jackson :lol: and I am grateful for the opportunity to rebut this post. I have just a few--well :roll: several, bones to pick with some things here. Number one, I always throw out everything in the " MJ autopsy report", because the entire contents is bogus, as he is no way dead or cut up. Doesn't matter WHAT "they" found, ANYwhere, in a STAGED scene (i.e., EVERYTHING MJ "left" behind :lol: ) . Two, that is QUITE an assumption that MJ didn't want to be Black. Especially when MJ denied crap like this every time it came up.Hmmm... which ---"black" did he not want to be? the (skin) COLOR, or the Culture? Zillions of white folk turn their skins as black as possible, both chemically and by radiation. I never heard any of the ones I know state that they were trying to pass for “Black”; they only wanted the dark skin. It is not a crime or a sin or ANYTHING bad, for MJ to want to lighten his skin—especially if he believed it made his Michael Jackson character more widely marketable, or even if he just simply had a particular shade of color in mind, which happened to differ from what he was given at birth. SHEEEESH. It is COMPLETELY his own business, doing what he feels he has to do for the look he is happy with on his own person. He is a free, grown, adult American. Everyone has to pick pick pick at everything he does. :evil: I will be laughing the loudest :!: and hardest, when it all comes out, how he has been PLAYING with EVERY one of his critics, FOR YEARS. 8-) Three, I don't believe anything thirdhand. I always run it through a block of salt. But, Q himself, had a thing for blonde white skinned women, so, I don't believe he would say anything negative about MJ and skin tone. :roll: Four, it is a damnable lie that he found black unattractive. He is the most tightlipped guy you have ever seen; even if he did feel this way, WE would NEVER have known it. I read him say once that he LOVED the dark caramel color of a certain Indian woman's skin. He was marveling over this color---I thought,over her---but, maybe it WAS just the color. Who gives a flying rat :?: :roll: ? This is just someone whom MJ put back in his place, who is trying to be 'startin somethin'. :x It is obvious that there was a personality conflict here, between the two. It is also obvious that MJ didn't exclude him from “every studio project they—MJ & Q –worked on”, because the guy kept all his jealousy, cowardly :oops: :x DISLOYALTY and hatred to himself—only daring to crawl out from under his rock, NOW, because he believes he is safe. Huh. :twisted: His jealousy is SO bad, it won't let one he believes to be dead, rest in peace. What an extremely miserable person he must be.The Great and Wonderful MJ will not be mocked for long. It's already long in the works.... I hope MJ IS lying about the vitiligo and any other health problems, to gain peoples' sympathy, for his character, Michael Jackson. I would love to know he is healthy. But, ALL his health business ---faked or true, is NONE OF OURS! EVER heard of Hippa Law??? :?: Five: Quincy and MJ had professional differences and MJ acquiesced, and admitted it publicly, on more than two occasions, simply because he wanted to work with the Master in Q. NOT saying he was, but---I believe MJ can be ANY kind of prima donna he feels like----It necessarily GOES with the territory of GENIUS---as the less gifted FREQUENTLY attempt :evil: :x :evil: :roll: to second guess and suppress the genius!!!!!!! I secretly believe MJ was too gracious and professional to be scary at his craft---at work; ON the job. He took it far too seriously. But I've seen him angry---LIVID, actually four---possibly five times, and “SOB” just about describes the persona. :lol: SO? Sometimes you have to shock people :shock: to get them to take you seriously----especially when you're so easy going ALWAYS, you've TRAINED folk to think you are a pushover. :? He only does this when he NEEDs to. He said he's never yelled at his children---he must have the patience of Job---or just very tame, mild mannered children (which they had to have learned from HIM: NEVER exhibiting any angry outbursts, himself ).Six: MJ did not loath himself or his physical appearance. He had issues of making himself look a certain way—-as we ALL do, nobody lie :!: :!: But he had the money to just simply “make that change” so he did. SO? :?: :?: Michael Jackson always seemed sweet and innocent, off stage, and in photos. Reading the gentle wisdom he wrote. On stage he turned into this joyfully sensual animal, with his bondage-wear and buckles and leather, at first. But that was an ACT. I thought he was mocking everyone who wanted to see that kind of sensuality, for he was really quite focused on nothing but doing his act and making money---not real girls or real sex, yet. Heck---he even said so. I was innocent enough to believe him, then...yup. :oops: :oops: But, when I saw the Vanity Fair spread...the one with the billowy open Egyptian cotton—or silk(?) shirt.......... I knew that HE knew EXACTLY what he had, which was driving women slowly out of their minds—even as he stood perfectly STILL. O.M.G. In-Tim-I-Da-Ting. Very. Very. :oops: Body Dysmorphic??? Speak for your self. NOT Michael Jackson! :!: :roll: Look at THAT GUY! He is, to use the colloquial, “All THAT” and everything else, and KNOWS it. That Baby LOOOOOOOVES his look, make NOOOOOOOOOO mistake :!: :lol: :lol: 8-) . He's every good girl's worst nightmare, and Kryptonite, at the same time. Nuff said. Seven: (and I'll quit) Young MJ said once that he believed the Black people as a race were more gifted creatively than any other he had personally experienced in all of his world travels, and he gave millions of dollars to all black charities all over this globe. He helped so many Black artists “get it”---that leg up in the business he KNEW they had the raw talent for. Why waste his time if he believed they were so intellectually inferior, that they would be easily taken by their own Business handlers after this? Think. I know and have heard black friends and co-workers say they have a white dentist, or that they will be looking for a white lawyer or doctor, NOT because they are smarter---but (and we all know this) because for decades, white people's education and white schools were more seriously developed and better funded :x :roll: . Many Black people still believe that whites are a better bet, when one needs professional or legal help, because of this. MJ's own DAD made a remark like this once. It incensed MJ. It creeped him out that anyone might have HEARD the comment and interpreted it as racist. I know character assassination :x and gutless slander when I hear it. No matter WHO it is, spewing it, no matter how juicy, please be careful what you kinda sorta believe...yeah, MJ IS a regular man who puts his pants on just like I do. It's just more fun to believe he's not. He GAVE us a WONDERFUL 8-) dream about himself all these years. Ask yourself WHY someone would want to ruin this for us, now, before you just run somewhere with it, eh? Hello Its Her and Hello to everyone also!!!!!!!I agree with everything people said here ,that we dont have to believe the things this person said about Michael.Ofcourse Michael is not perfect ,as we are not also.We all make mistakes,its in human nature, but is something that I dont like about Quincy Jones, :x .I dont know if BASHING MICHAEL LIKE the way he did in the interview with Katie Couric its part of this Hoax,or to MAKE US BELIEVE Michael is really BAD ,but when I heard what he said about Michael I was like:OMG I CAN 'T BELIEVE WHAT I JUST HEARD!!!!!!!!So Its Her this is the first time I dont agre with you,Im sorry ,but here you have the prove,Quincy said with his own mouth what you just said he wouldnt say about Michael.Please listen what Quincy has to say about Michael Vitiligo :x :x :x :x :x :x :x ITS HER SAID:Three, I don't believe anything thirdhand. I always run it through a block of salt. But, Q himself, had a thing for blonde white skinned women, so, I don't believe he would say anything negative about MJ and skin tone. :roll: Quincy Jones Candid On Jackson [youtube:3p7xz755]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB9T7mxRmAs&feature=related[/youtube:3p7xz755]So after watching this please look at this interview with Quincy at SXSW Music 2009 .How can a man be to faces and speak so nice things here about his work with Michael and after that say the opposite??? Michael wanted to look differently????Michael to be self destructed??? Please give me a break.He is just upset and gelous with Michael ,just like the rest who bashed him.Quincy Jones on Michael Jackson - SXSW Music 2009 [youtube:3p7xz755]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9zGxvV3nAk&feature=related[/youtube:3p7xz755] Please dont be upset with me,ok? But what I must believe after watching this? I dont personally know Quincy Jones but please tell me what do you think about this? Anyone??LOVE
:? :? :? :? :? :? :lol: I am not saying I think you stand by much of this post, simply because you posted it. It makes for an interesting read...but....the only fiction I enjoy these days, is generated by that master story telling "Fabricator", Michael Jackson :lol: and I am grateful for the opportunity to rebut this post. I have just a few--well :roll: several, bones to pick with some things here. Number one, I always throw out everything in the " MJ autopsy report", because the entire contents is bogus, as he is no way dead or cut up. Doesn't matter WHAT "they" found, ANYwhere, in a STAGED scene (i.e., EVERYTHING MJ "left" behind :lol: ) . Two, that is QUITE an assumption that MJ didn't want to be Black. Especially when MJ denied crap like this every time it came up.Hmmm... which ---"black" did he not want to be? the (skin) COLOR, or the Culture? Zillions of white folk turn their skins as black as possible, both chemically and by radiation. I never heard any of the ones I know state that they were trying to pass for “Black”; they only wanted the dark skin. It is not a crime or a sin or ANYTHING bad, for MJ to want to lighten his skin—especially if he believed it made his Michael Jackson character more widely marketable, or even if he just simply had a particular shade of color in mind, which happened to differ from what he was given at birth. SHEEEESH. It is COMPLETELY his own business, doing what he feels he has to do for the look he is happy with on his own person. He is a free, grown, adult American. Everyone has to pick pick pick at everything he does. :evil: I will be laughing the loudest :!: and hardest, when it all comes out, how he has been PLAYING with EVERY one of his critics, FOR YEARS. 8-) Three, I don't believe anything thirdhand. I always run it through a block of salt. But, Q himself, had a thing for blonde white skinned women, so, I don't believe he would say anything negative about MJ and skin tone. :roll: Four, it is a damnable lie that he found black unattractive. He is the most tightlipped guy you have ever seen; even if he did feel this way, WE would NEVER have known it. I read him say once that he LOVED the dark caramel color of a certain Indian woman's skin. He was marveling over this color---I thought,over her---but, maybe it WAS just the color. Who gives a flying rat :?: :roll: ? This is just someone whom MJ put back in his place, who is trying to be 'startin somethin'. :x It is obvious that there was a personality conflict here, between the two. It is also obvious that MJ didn't exclude him from “every studio project they—MJ & Q –worked on”, because the guy kept all his jealousy, cowardly :oops: :x DISLOYALTY and hatred to himself—only daring to crawl out from under his rock, NOW, because he believes he is safe. Huh. :twisted: His jealousy is SO bad, it won't let one he believes to be dead, rest in peace. What an extremely miserable person he must be.The Great and Wonderful MJ will not be mocked for long. It's already long in the works.... I hope MJ IS lying about the vitiligo and any other health problems, to gain peoples' sympathy, for his character, Michael Jackson. I would love to know he is healthy. But, ALL his health business ---faked or true, is NONE OF OURS! EVER heard of Hippa Law??? :?: Five: Quincy and MJ had professional differences and MJ acquiesced, and admitted it publicly, on more than two occasions, simply because he wanted to work with the Master in Q. NOT saying he was, but---I believe MJ can be ANY kind of prima donna he feels like----It necessarily GOES with the territory of GENIUS---as the less gifted FREQUENTLY attempt :evil: :x :evil: :roll: to second guess and suppress the genius!!!!!!! I secretly believe MJ was too gracious and professional to be scary at his craft---at work; ON the job. He took it far too seriously. But I've seen him angry---LIVID, actually four---possibly five times, and “SOB” just about describes the persona. :lol: SO? Sometimes you have to shock people :shock: to get them to take you seriously----especially when you're so easy going ALWAYS, you've TRAINED folk to think you are a pushover. :? He only does this when he NEEDs to. He said he's never yelled at his children---he must have the patience of Job---or just very tame, mild mannered children (which they had to have learned from HIM: NEVER exhibiting any angry outbursts, himself ).Six: MJ did not loath himself or his physical appearance. He had issues of making himself look a certain way—-as we ALL do, nobody lie :!: :!: But he had the money to just simply “make that change” so he did. SO? :?: :?: Michael Jackson always seemed sweet and innocent, off stage, and in photos. Reading the gentle wisdom he wrote. On stage he turned into this joyfully sensual animal, with his bondage-wear and buckles and leather, at first. But that was an ACT. I thought he was mocking everyone who wanted to see that kind of sensuality, for he was really quite focused on nothing but doing his act and making money---not real girls or real sex, yet. Heck---he even said so. I was innocent enough to believe him, then...yup. :oops: :oops: But, when I saw the Vanity Fair spread...the one with the billowy open Egyptian cotton—or silk(?) shirt.......... I knew that HE knew EXACTLY what he had, which was driving women slowly out of their minds—even as he stood perfectly STILL. O.M.G. In-Tim-I-Da-Ting. Very. Very. :oops: Body Dysmorphic??? Speak for your self. NOT Michael Jackson! :!: :roll: Look at THAT GUY! He is, to use the colloquial, “All THAT” and everything else, and KNOWS it. That Baby LOOOOOOOVES his look, make NOOOOOOOOOO mistake :!: :lol: :lol: 8-) . He's every good girl's worst nightmare, and Kryptonite, at the same time. Nuff said. Seven: (and I'll quit) Young MJ said once that he believed the Black people as a race were more gifted creatively than any other he had personally experienced in all of his world travels, and he gave millions of dollars to all black charities all over this globe. He helped so many Black artists “get it”---that leg up in the business he KNEW they had the raw talent for. Why waste his time if he believed they were so intellectually inferior, that they would be easily taken by their own Business handlers after this? Think. I know and have heard black friends and co-workers say they have a white dentist, or that they will be looking for a white lawyer or doctor, NOT because they are smarter---but (and we all know this) because for decades, white people's education and white schools were more seriously developed and better funded :x :roll: . Many Black people still believe that whites are a better bet, when one needs professional or legal help, because of this. MJ's own DAD made a remark like this once. It incensed MJ. It creeped him out that anyone might have HEARD the comment and interpreted it as racist. I know character assassination :x and gutless slander when I hear it. No matter WHO it is, spewing it, no matter how juicy, please be careful what you kinda sorta believe...yeah, MJ IS a regular man who puts his pants on just like I do. It's just more fun to believe he's not. He GAVE us a WONDERFUL 8-) dream about himself all these years. Ask yourself WHY someone would want to ruin this for us, now, before you just run somewhere with it, eh?
i think callofthewild has been given quite a few chances to back up her statement, but she never responded in any concrete way. she wouldn't even say if she saw his body. being told by the family is not good enough for me, because we were all told that, too. and if she's not willing to give some substantial proof of her claim, then all it does, really, is create havoc in a HOAX forum.her defense of Michael's personality is all well and good. i would do that, too, in her position. but if i am a close friend and in my heart of hearts, i know he is dead, it would never enter my mind to join a hoax forum. i would grieve my friend's demise, feel sorry for those who believe he's alive, and move on. but if i'm not sure, then i will join a hoax forum and explore. that's why i am here. but then again, i am not a close friend of Mr. Jackson. i am just a fan.
Quote from: "Its her"I can't speak for anyone else here, but, even though we have other evidence that MJ lives still, the autopsy was investigated at length, when it was first published, and I, for myself, dismissed all of it as having nothing to do with MJ at all. It doesn't look like or contain the information of any autopsy report I've ever seen, but even state to state couldn't be that different. I don't believe it is a real one of anyone. I just thought I would explain (not explaining this before). Sorry :oops: . I forget, after all this time, that everyone couldn't know we did do this already. Since then, I meant, I always discount "evidence " gleaned from that report. Well, I'm pretty sure I've read the complete PDF, all the threads on the AR here, the ones on .net, & some YouTube vids and I haven't seen anything like a complete debunk. You're not talkin' about this one You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login, right?Would you mind helping a confused soul that has a lot of questions by pointing me in the right direction, I mean where "you by yourself dismissed all of it as having nothing to do with MJ at all"? It's a honest request, I'm very, very interested! Thanks in advance Its her!
I can't speak for anyone else here, but, even though we have other evidence that MJ lives still, the autopsy was investigated at length, when it was first published, and I, for myself, dismissed all of it as having nothing to do with MJ at all. It doesn't look like or contain the information of any autopsy report I've ever seen, but even state to state couldn't be that different. I don't believe it is a real one of anyone. I just thought I would explain (not explaining this before). Sorry :oops: . I forget, after all this time, that everyone couldn't know we did do this already. Since then, I meant, I always discount "evidence " gleaned from that report.
You might wish to read back through their postings as I clearly recall that they stated they were not looking for a hoax forum before they found this site.
Quote from: "BeTheChange"Quote from: "callofthewild"That is an excellent question. As for the family, I can't nor will I attempt to speak for them. I won't presume to know their thoughts, and out of respect for them, I'll not share their expressed feelings or opinions. I hope you can understand that. Anything I say with regards to them should be taken as my own speculation. With regards to the hoax theories, you have to understand the family's willful ignorance of many of the reports about Mike. As one of the most frequent subjects of tabloid fodder, the family is quite adept at ignoring most things said or written about him. I do know they are aware of the theories, and there are a couple of members that have read some of the information posted on this forum. That's all I can and will say about the family. Do I ever get angry at the theories? Honestly? Yes. I don't mind the thought provoking questions, the curiosity, etc., but I do have a hard time with some of the more far fetched ideas that are expressed here; however, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I wouldn't dare wish for those opinions or ideas -no matter how bizarre- to be censored or stifled. Do I ever have a pinch of doubt? No. I wish I could. Unfortunately, my reality doesn't allow for that. I'd love nothing more than to healthily harbor hope of Mike being alive. As for the possibility of his death being a hoax...Well, I suppose anything is possible. I am adamant it's not a hoax, but again, everyone is entitled to believe what they wish to believe.The truth isn't as elusive as it seems. Perhaps to the public it seems that way, but because there is an ongoing investigation, and upcoming trial, only so much can be said publicly.ETA (answering the last portion of your questions re: proof of Mike's death) - There are circumstances I cannot discuss that shore my belief in Mike's passing.Hi callofthewild I respect your thoughts and understand your position based on the responses you’ve given thus far. I do have a question and I hope you can trust that I ask it in all sincerity. Given the myriad of MJ fansites and other sites that serve as tributes to Mike since June 25th, why did you decide to peruse a site dedicated, primarily, to an overarching belief that MJ’s ‘death’ was a hoax...and then decide to share your opinions/feelings on this same site? You’ve stated that you don’t mind genuine questions grounded in curiosity...and I am genuinely curious.With L.O.V.E. always.To be frank, my finding this site was a fluke. A complete and utter fluke. As cliche as it may sound, I found this site while doing a Google search for something totally unrelated to Mike. For the life of me, I don't even remember the topic I was researching, though my daughter may. I'll certainly ask her as I'm curious myself now.I will confess to thinking this was the most absurd website I'd seen what with talks of numerology, The Illuminati, and so forth. I asked myself how in the hell did that apply to Mike. So, I read a little, and saw there were so many questions about basic and trivial things, and that people were disagreeing over subjects like whether or not Michael Jackson had a Twitter account. Well, I knew he did, and I posted as much. That led to this.I don't normally participate in internet forums, and the set up of this particular forum is confusing to me. That and my busy schedule doesn't allow me to take the time to fully familiarize myself with a lot of what is said here. When I do decide to 'visit', I usually just read, and sometimes respond, to whatever catches my eye. The title of this thread certainly caught my eye.There you have it. That's the not so exciting explanation of how I came to be here.
Quote from: "callofthewild"That is an excellent question. As for the family, I can't nor will I attempt to speak for them. I won't presume to know their thoughts, and out of respect for them, I'll not share their expressed feelings or opinions. I hope you can understand that. Anything I say with regards to them should be taken as my own speculation. With regards to the hoax theories, you have to understand the family's willful ignorance of many of the reports about Mike. As one of the most frequent subjects of tabloid fodder, the family is quite adept at ignoring most things said or written about him. I do know they are aware of the theories, and there are a couple of members that have read some of the information posted on this forum. That's all I can and will say about the family. Do I ever get angry at the theories? Honestly? Yes. I don't mind the thought provoking questions, the curiosity, etc., but I do have a hard time with some of the more far fetched ideas that are expressed here; however, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I wouldn't dare wish for those opinions or ideas -no matter how bizarre- to be censored or stifled. Do I ever have a pinch of doubt? No. I wish I could. Unfortunately, my reality doesn't allow for that. I'd love nothing more than to healthily harbor hope of Mike being alive. As for the possibility of his death being a hoax...Well, I suppose anything is possible. I am adamant it's not a hoax, but again, everyone is entitled to believe what they wish to believe.The truth isn't as elusive as it seems. Perhaps to the public it seems that way, but because there is an ongoing investigation, and upcoming trial, only so much can be said publicly.ETA (answering the last portion of your questions re: proof of Mike's death) - There are circumstances I cannot discuss that shore my belief in Mike's passing.Hi callofthewild I respect your thoughts and understand your position based on the responses you’ve given thus far. I do have a question and I hope you can trust that I ask it in all sincerity. Given the myriad of MJ fansites and other sites that serve as tributes to Mike since June 25th, why did you decide to peruse a site dedicated, primarily, to an overarching belief that MJ’s ‘death’ was a hoax...and then decide to share your opinions/feelings on this same site? You’ve stated that you don’t mind genuine questions grounded in curiosity...and I am genuinely curious.With L.O.V.E. always.
That is an excellent question. As for the family, I can't nor will I attempt to speak for them. I won't presume to know their thoughts, and out of respect for them, I'll not share their expressed feelings or opinions. I hope you can understand that. Anything I say with regards to them should be taken as my own speculation. With regards to the hoax theories, you have to understand the family's willful ignorance of many of the reports about Mike. As one of the most frequent subjects of tabloid fodder, the family is quite adept at ignoring most things said or written about him. I do know they are aware of the theories, and there are a couple of members that have read some of the information posted on this forum. That's all I can and will say about the family. Do I ever get angry at the theories? Honestly? Yes. I don't mind the thought provoking questions, the curiosity, etc., but I do have a hard time with some of the more far fetched ideas that are expressed here; however, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I wouldn't dare wish for those opinions or ideas -no matter how bizarre- to be censored or stifled. Do I ever have a pinch of doubt? No. I wish I could. Unfortunately, my reality doesn't allow for that. I'd love nothing more than to healthily harbor hope of Mike being alive. As for the possibility of his death being a hoax...Well, I suppose anything is possible. I am adamant it's not a hoax, but again, everyone is entitled to believe what they wish to believe.The truth isn't as elusive as it seems. Perhaps to the public it seems that way, but because there is an ongoing investigation, and upcoming trial, only so much can be said publicly.ETA (answering the last portion of your questions re: proof of Mike's death) - There are circumstances I cannot discuss that shore my belief in Mike's passing.
Quote from: "sunburst"i think callofthewild has been given quite a few chances to back up her statement, but she never responded in any concrete way. she wouldn't even say if she saw his body. being told by the family is not good enough for me, because we were all told that, too. and if she's not willing to give some substantial proof of her claim, then all it does, really, is create havoc in a HOAX forum.her defense of Michael's personality is all well and good. i would do that, too, in her position. but if i am a close friend and in my heart of hearts, i know he is dead, it would never enter my mind to join a hoax forum. i would grieve my friend's demise, feel sorry for those who believe he's alive, and move on. but if i'm not sure, then i will join a hoax forum and explore. that's why i am here. but then again, i am not a close friend of Mr. Jackson. i am just a fan.You might wish to read back through their postings as I clearly recall that they stated they were not looking for a hoax forum before they found this site.
by callofthewild » Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:12 pm To those of you who've sent me such kind and warm messages, thank you. To those of you who've been less than civil, thank you, too. Souza, a warm thank you to you, too for your allowing me to be a part of your forum, albeit briefly. Like I stated in one of our earlier private correspondences, my intent wasn't to disrupt your community, but it appears that it would be impossible for me to remain true to my own beliefs and reality without doing just that. Of course, you may edit, block, erase, un-register, or whatever it is you do for parting members. I don't mind if my posts remain, if need be. Now, seeing as some are digressing from grown up panties to Pampers, I'll take my leave. Let me give you this nugget before I go, and trust me, I type it with a smile of knowing on my face.In short, be careful who you speak to, and mindful of how you speak to them. You never know who's on the other end of the connection. And never discard something because it doesn't fit into your box. Always get a bigger box.I hope each of you finds the answers you want and need. Peace and love to you all...
