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Have to say, - Michaels Fedora from SC is all around Again!..
Quote from: "skyways"Have to say, - Michaels Fedora from SC is all around Again!.. Very good point, Skyways! But you know what came to MY mind? HATMAN AT THE MEMORIAL! Have we ever considered this? That the mysterious HatMan at the Memorial was simply an early, initial visual plant to bring us to this point later down the road?....a very subtle clue from Michael to "pay attention to the man in the White Fedora" at some later point (NOW!)...and here we are presented with our new hero, William Wagener, sporting a white fedora, no less, who is apparently picking up the gauntlet for some reason...I'm not saying that he was the Hatman, but that the Hatman could be a visual clue to the Hoax this many months later!!!!....and what would that reason be?....SOMEONE has to do this!...why not W2?...after all this groundwork has been laid, SOMEONE has to pick up the torch and take it to the finish line! Otherwise, we are talking about yet another HUGE kawinky-dink!I've begun to realize the possibility of the DEPTH of this Hoax or ARG or WHATEVER THE HELL IT IS that Michael is managing to pull off is beyond what my little pea brain can fathom! ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE! ALL of this is unprecedented in human history....the ramifications and consequences have to be of utmost importance!....this is not simply the work of a pop star who is trying to rectify a ruined reputation....this is EPIC....this is the stuff of HIStory.....the world is about to be knocked on its collective ass by Michael Jackson....the Man We Never Knew.....SHITE!!!! (Insert goosebumps followed by shivers!)
Quote from: "2 Bad"I posted the following reply in the wrong thread (Re: MJ Cemetery Charging 3 Bucks to Leave Gifts)I was reading the link posted and just replied to that.So I am posting it here: :shock: :shock: :shock:Damn, all this has my head spinning!They're dirty, they're nasty, they're dirty dirty dirty!!!!!!!!!!!Last week I was on the Amazon forum and we were talking about Michael's 20 million friends on Facebook. I put the suggestion out that 20 million fans donating $1.00 each would amount to 20 million dollars (to be put in an escrow trust) and to be used in some way to help vindicate MJ. Whew.I think it is possible!!!Now I often wondered what the tie was with Biggie, Tupac and MJ and this DA Gil Garcetti is just as involved as the Sssssnake. Dee Dee's murder article posted brought in a few more things. Thank you!If OJ's trial was less than 10million, just think what 20million would do??There are a lot of people that could pull this together, not "believers" but hey we "Believers"are all for making MJ's return as painless as possible. Vindication in court, exposing the filthy would do that. The non-believers would realize eventually that we have every right to do a "I told you so" dance. May be a long time till we do the dance but we are all patient, adults right?Ok so I dream BIG!!!Any comments? Anyone want to move this to it's own thread?Souza? Mo?That idea was posted before. I mailed Tom Mesereau for advise, but he never got back to me. I want to know what the legal possibilities are when we would file a suit against the snakes with people from all over the world. We also need a solicitor that manages the money and a very good legal team. A few people from California need to represent us all. It would be a hell of a project. I don't know what the possibilities are. Maybe someone here with a degree in California law knows how this can be done. This is not something that can be done just like that, you need proof (not just internet articles) and it needs to be prepared.
I posted the following reply in the wrong thread (Re: MJ Cemetery Charging 3 Bucks to Leave Gifts)I was reading the link posted and just replied to that.So I am posting it here: :shock: :shock: :shock:Damn, all this has my head spinning!They're dirty, they're nasty, they're dirty dirty dirty!!!!!!!!!!!Last week I was on the Amazon forum and we were talking about Michael's 20 million friends on Facebook. I put the suggestion out that 20 million fans donating $1.00 each would amount to 20 million dollars (to be put in an escrow trust) and to be used in some way to help vindicate MJ. Whew.I think it is possible!!!Now I often wondered what the tie was with Biggie, Tupac and MJ and this DA Gil Garcetti is just as involved as the Sssssnake. Dee Dee's murder article posted brought in a few more things. Thank you!If OJ's trial was less than 10million, just think what 20million would do??There are a lot of people that could pull this together, not "believers" but hey we "Believers"are all for making MJ's return as painless as possible. Vindication in court, exposing the filthy would do that. The non-believers would realize eventually that we have every right to do a "I told you so" dance. May be a long time till we do the dance but we are all patient, adults right?Ok so I dream BIG!!!Any comments? Anyone want to move this to it's own thread?Souza? Mo?
Quote from: "~Souza~"Quote from: "2 Bad"I posted the following reply in the wrong thread (Re: MJ Cemetery Charging 3 Bucks to Leave Gifts)I was reading the link posted and just replied to that.So I am posting it here: :shock: :shock: :shock:Damn, all this has my head spinning!They're dirty, they're nasty, they're dirty dirty dirty!!!!!!!!!!!Last week I was on the Amazon forum and we were talking about Michael's 20 million friends on Facebook. I put the suggestion out that 20 million fans donating $1.00 each would amount to 20 million dollars (to be put in an escrow trust) and to be used in some way to help vindicate MJ. Whew.I think it is possible!!!Now I often wondered what the tie was with Biggie, Tupac and MJ and this DA Gil Garcetti is just as involved as the Sssssnake. Dee Dee's murder article posted brought in a few more things. Thank you!If OJ's trial was less than 10million, just think what 20million would do??There are a lot of people that could pull this together, not "believers" but hey we "Believers"are all for making MJ's return as painless as possible. Vindication in court, exposing the filthy would do that. The non-believers would realize eventually that we have every right to do a "I told you so" dance. May be a long time till we do the dance but we are all patient, adults right?Ok so I dream BIG!!!Any comments? Anyone want to move this to it's own thread?Souza? Mo?That idea was posted before. I mailed Tom Mesereau for advise, but he never got back to me. I want to know what the legal possibilities are when we would file a suit against the snakes with people from all over the world. We also need a solicitor that manages the money and a very good legal team. A few people from California need to represent us all. It would be a hell of a project. I don't know what the possibilities are. Maybe someone here with a degree in California law knows how this can be done. This is not something that can be done just like that, you need proof (not just internet articles) and it needs to be prepared.Souza - this is the greatest idea I've heard yet. Wouldn't it be extraordinary if Michael's fan sued Sneddon and his group on behalf of Michael? Wow - talking about making a statement. I'd be sure to give a lot more than $1 to see that happen. Unfortunately, law is not my background but I'll be sure to keep watch for this to develop. How about engaging the help of that Mr Wagener? Maybe he knows how we can pull this off legally.
Quote from: "voiceforthesilent"Quote from: "~Souza~"Quote from: "2 Bad"I posted the following reply in the wrong thread (Re: MJ Cemetery Charging 3 Bucks to Leave Gifts)I was reading the link posted and just replied to that.So I am posting it here: :shock: :shock: :shock:Damn, all this has my head spinning!They're dirty, they're nasty, they're dirty dirty dirty!!!!!!!!!!!Last week I was on the Amazon forum and we were talking about Michael's 20 million friends on Facebook. I put the suggestion out that 20 million fans donating $1.00 each would amount to 20 million dollars (to be put in an escrow trust) and to be used in some way to help vindicate MJ. Whew.I think it is possible!!!Now I often wondered what the tie was with Biggie, Tupac and MJ and this DA Gil Garcetti is just as involved as the Sssssnake. Dee Dee's murder article posted brought in a few more things. Thank you!If OJ's trial was less than 10million, just think what 20million would do??There are a lot of people that could pull this together, not "believers" but hey we "Believers"are all for making MJ's return as painless as possible. Vindication in court, exposing the filthy would do that. The non-believers would realize eventually that we have every right to do a "I told you so" dance. May be a long time till we do the dance but we are all patient, adults right?Ok so I dream BIG!!!Any comments? Anyone want to move this to it's own thread?Souza? Mo?That idea was posted before. I mailed Tom Mesereau for advise, but he never got back to me. I want to know what the legal possibilities are when we would file a suit against the snakes with people from all over the world. We also need a solicitor that manages the money and a very good legal team. A few people from California need to represent us all. It would be a hell of a project. I don't know what the possibilities are. Maybe someone here with a degree in California law knows how this can be done. This is not something that can be done just like that, you need proof (not just internet articles) and it needs to be prepared.Souza - this is the greatest idea I've heard yet. Wouldn't it be extraordinary if Michael's fan sued Sneddon and his group on behalf of Michael? Wow - talking about making a statement. I'd be sure to give a lot more than $1 to see that happen. Unfortunately, law is not my background but I'll be sure to keep watch for this to develop. How about engaging the help of that Mr Wagener? Maybe he knows how we can pull this off legally.i´m in... maybe a little more than $1... what about 10? what someone want oe could... that would be great!!! :mrgreen:
Here's what I think....I think Melville is nervous....I think the tide is turning toward Michael's good name finally being cleared....I think this is all part and parcel to the underlying roots of the Hoax....Sneddon was not there because he's the object of the investigation....for why else would he NOT be there?....think about it.....Michael is slowly but surely making sure his long awaited justice comes to him....he is able to accomplish this a lot better from behind the cloak of "death".....the theory that Michael is being helped by the FBI or other authorities totally fits with a scenario like this.....Sweet Baby Jesus!....this is really getting good, people.....
Quote from: "mjfansince4"good theory. just one question- if you think one of the reasons for the hoax is the NWO, then would the FBI be in on it? and if one or two people did release the 333 pages (which i think is pretty fair to assume it's not a coincidence), wouldn't that person/persons be threatened? i'm not saying you know all the answers, i think your theory is wonderful and i agree on most parts. it's just the NWO thing is so tricky!Well it could be Factions?Long but worth itWHAT DO I MEAN WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE TWO FACTIONS?Posted By: Rayelan <Send E-Mail>Date: Tuesday, 23-Dec-2003 17:43:31 WHAT ARE THE FACTIONS? WHERE DID THEY COME FROM? What is the Main difference Between Them? RMNEWS -- In 1989, the Publisher of Rumor Mill News, Rayelan Allan, married Captain Gunther K. Russbacher, Office of Naval Intelligence attached to the CIA. Gunther Russbacher is the first person to introduce the concept of "The Factions" to the world at large. Rumor Mill News was the first internet news site to to write about the "Secret War Between the Factions"... a mostly silent war that goes on behind the scenes. The Factions exist in every country throughout the world. They are in every political party, every Non Governmental Group (NGOs), every state, county, town and even your school boards! Faction One is the group of international bankers and corporations that wish to control the entire world. Faction Two (F2) is made up of a covert group of men and women who know what Faction One (F1) wants, and purposely throws roadblocks in their path to slow down their world takeover. Rumor Mill News was started in 1996 to reveal some of the hidden truths about the governments of the world. One of the hidden truths that the founders of Rumor Mill News revealed to a large audience in 1992 was that the Federal Reserve Banking System in the United States is NOT owned by the United States government. It is owned by international bankers who have their headquarters in the "City of London", which is a separate part of London. The owners of the Federal Reserve, through the United Nations, Non Governmental Organizations, think tanks, non-profits, the World Bank, the IMF and other means, have used the money they stole from the American people to infiltrate and "buy" i.e. "steal" the wealth of other countries. The "owners" of the Federal Reserve are made up of 300 interconnected families. These families are firmly planted in ALL countries of the world. These families have a plan for a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT which will be UNDER their control. All nations and people will LOSE their sovereignty. The common phrase for these people and their plan is: THE NEW WORLD ORDER. Most American patriots and other nationalists around the world KNOW about the threat to their sovereignty from the New World Order. What they don't know is that there has been another force, hiding in the shadows. A force that has been putting road blocks in the path of the New World Order since the end of World War Two. The men and women who make up this hidden force call themselves Faction Two, (F2). They label themselves this way because THEY came second. The bankers of the New World Order set about destroying the sovereignty of nations. The men and women of Faction Two formed as a result of losing their nations. In the United States, the members of Faction Two call themselves "The Cowboys". To fully explain the Factions, I would have to write a book, In this article I will TRY to be Brief: Faction One is the New World Order, made up of the International bankers, the 300 un-named families who also own our Federal Reserve Banking System. These families are descended ideologically AND biologically from the Rothschild funded Illuminati. Faction One also created the Corporations. Corporations were created by the King of England who was/is owned and controlled by the Rothschilds. The center for Faction One is located in a private nation/state within London. This nation state is called "The City of London". It is an autonomous nation/state similar to the Vatican and Washington DC. From the "City of London", the Illuminati bankers control the entire planet, planning wars, famine, disease, drought, and other disasters which will contain and subjugate humans... especially those living in the first world countries. Faction Two is descended from the King of Bavaria, the Knights Templars and the German Abwehr. Faction Two was created by men whose countries had been destroyed by the New World Order. In 1784, the King of Bavaria blew the whistle on the planned take-over of the monarchies of Europe by the Illuminati/Rothschilds. As a a result, the NWO, which had expected to go "online" in 1776, had to retreat to the shadows and build up their strength for their "next planned world-takeover". See this timeline and please notice the date the Illuminati was founded. May 1st... that date has now come to be associated with the communist workers party. To understand why this is so, you have to know this history of communism and that it was founded by the Illuminati bankers. May 1, 1776 – Historically, it refers specifically to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment-era secret society founded on May 1st, 1776. In modern times it is also used to refer to a purported conspiratorial organization which acts as a shadowy “power behind the throne …Historically, it refers specifically to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment-era secret society founded on May 1st, 1776. In modern times it is also used to refer to a purported conspiratorial organization which acts as a shadowy “power behind the throne,” allegedly controlling world affairs through present day governments and corporations, usually as a modern incarnation or continuation of the Bavarian Illuminati. 1784 – For much more about the original Bavarian Illuminati, see Chapter But for our discussion here, the second piece of the conspiratorial whammy came when King Karl Theodor outlawed all secret societies in Bavaria in 1784, including both the Illuminati and the the Freemasons. Illuminati founder Adam Weishaupt (who really was up to no good) was forced to flee the country, chased by the king’s soldiers. 1785 – Public attention was first drawn to the existence of the Illuminati and their diabolical plan for world conquest as the result of a bizarre accident in 1785. History records that a courier for the Illuminati, named Lanze, was racing on horseback from Frankfurt to Paris carrying documents relating to Illuminati activities in general, and specific instructions for the planned French Revolution in particular. Read more: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login Other articles, which are linked below, give more background. This is just a thumbnail sketch. The main difference between the two factions is Slavery versus Freedom. Over the years, I have posted many different articles in which I talked about the two Factions who appear to be vying for control of the world. Faction 1, the NWO promises us a future that is a slave state. Faction 2, the one that my ex-husband Gunther Russbacher talked about, promises us a world that is similar to the United States in the 50s.... not perfect... but definitely NOT a Slave-State! Before RMN appeared on the web, the concept of "Factions" did not exist. The only place it had been mentioned, besides the print edition of RMNews, was in Rodney Stich's "Defrauding America", a book for which Gunther Russbacher was the main source.... not the ONLY government source... but the main one! I first started posting information on the web about the Two Factions in 1999. If you have been with RMN since that time, then of course you know what the Factions are, so you can skip this article. However, we have many new readers AND new RMNews Agents who have never read these articles. Here at RMN we encourage independent thought and as a result we also have a few RMN Agents who have their own opinions of what the TWO factions are... there are some people who have even created a Faction Three. There is a Faction Three... several of them. # One is made up of Rogues who fight for whoever gives them the most money. # Another is made up of a coalition of people from both Faction Two and Faction One because they believe both factions are wrong. # Yet another is made up of the children of Faction One who no longer want to play the centuries long game of world control. Here is the first article I ever wrote about the Factions: FACTION TWO -- THE ABWEHR -- KNIGHTS TEMPLARS Posted By: Rayelan - Date: Sunday, 10 September 2000, 5:19 p.m. - An Explanation Faction Two To really understand where my ex-husband is coming from, when he told me about Faction Two, you need to know a little about him, who he was, where he came from and what he knew. You might also want to see what he looks like. This is part of the only video interview that is in the public domain. The producers of ABC and Geraldo Rivera's canceled TV program, Now It Can Be Told also have taped interviews of Gunther, but they have never released them. Admiral Gunther K. Russbacher was a 30 plus year veteran of the CIA and the Office of Naval Intelligence. He was also the co-founder of the print edition of Rumor Mill News. IS MICHAEL JACKSON'S TRIAL REVENGE FROM FACTION ONE?In the case of the current accuser, the fact that he lied in a case that his mother brought against JC Penney's should tell jurors that the boy's mother can coerce him into lying.Regarding the 1993 accuser, I think people need to ask themselves why the young man chooses to live in France and has NOT spoken to his parents since 1993.You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginCould it be that his parents, along with the same lawyer and same psychologist used by the current accuser, made these allegations against Michael for money. In this original case, did you know that Michael did NOT want to settle out of court. He wanted to go to court. It was his insurance company that convinced him to settle.In the case of Michael Jackson, there are many things in his background that alert me to the fact that he could have been working behind the scenes for Faction Two for a very long time.Intelligence agencies create film stars, singers, dancers and sports heros in order to use them to get close to "target" people. In the case of Shirly MacClaine, she was used in many different ways, one of them was to become the girlfriend of an Australian politician and then blackmail him into changing banking laws so the CIA could open banks in Australia to launder drug money. Did she understand everything she was doing? Of cource not. All spies operate on a "need to know". basis, and all she was told was to befriend this fellow... I think it was Andrew Peacock... but without going back in my files I will have to rely on the Australians to confirm this for me.Without understanding the war between the Factions, it's hard to see Michael Jackson's case as anything but a case against a pedophile. Hopefully it's clear to most readers that when pedophiles molest children, a lot more is done than just licking their hair or giving them "wedgies". The pedophile cases that have been in the news recently should give people an idea of what pedophiles do to children. When they rape children, their tear them internally. Many times the children die of infection while the pedophiles are continuing to rape them.The horrors that these children endure CAN'T be compared to what Michael Jackson has been accused of. Michael was NEVER accused of penetrating a child!Regardless of what the jury says about Michael, I believe he is innocent of the charges. In my opinion, someone is out to get Michael. I do not know why.I can guess that the SONY executives have a great deal to gain from Michael's conviction. A company, which is jointly owned by Jackson and Sony, controls the catalogs of such artists as the Beatles, Brooks & Dunn, Leonard Cohen, David Crosby, Miles Davis, Neil Diamond, Bob Dylan, Merle Haggard, Lauryn Hill, Willie Nelson, Stevie Nicks...You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginMichael probably alienated himself from SONY further when he went to the Harlem headquarters of the Reverend Al Sharpton's National Action Network to lend his support to a coalition the two men recently formed with attorney Johnnie Cochran to examine whether the music industry is cheating artists out of profits. Quoting Michael from the press conference:"The record companies really do conspire against the artists, especially the black artists" Jackson told the crowd of 350 fans."When you fight for me, you're fighting for all black people, dead and alive.We have to put a stop to this incredible injustice."Michael also launched into a tirade against Tommy Mottola, accusing the Sony Music honcho of being a racist and mistreating artists of color and ticked off the names of artists he felt have been wronged, including Mottola's ex-wife, Mariah Carey, James Brown and Sammy Davis Jr.Please remember that SONY is Standard Oil of New York, a Rockefeller corporation. The Rockefellers are major players in Faction One and the NWO. As most readers understand, Faction One aka the NWO... is made up from the 300 families who own the Federal Reserve Banking System. These are the people who control the economies of the world. These are the people who rule WHO becomes famous and WHO stays famous!!It is my opinion that Faction ONE is out to railroad Michael Jackson. I don't believe that their ONLY reason is to get the catalog that Michael owns. It's my opinion that Michael probably assisted Faction Two in some of their "pedophile hunts". If Michael did this and thereby provided Faction Two with information on Faction ONE-controlled pedophiles, or on Faction One pedophile operations, then the trial of Michael Jackson is probably revenge for this.Here is a repost from a year ago. I wrote about MJ, Kobe Bryant and Martha Stewart. ALL three are associated with Faction Two. However, it's my belief that the ONLY one who actually KNEW of his association with F2 was Michael.Why do I think this:Because of this medal: It's a MEDAL OF HONOR from the City of Vienna, called "The big golden Medal of Honor of Merits for the County of Vienna with the Star". Even though officials from Vienna have pooh-poohed the possibility of him ever having been given one, I find it highly possible that a member of Faction Two, who HAD been given such a medal, could have given HIS to MJ.Faction TWO was started by Austrians, and at the time I was married to Gunther, Kurt Waldheim was the ranking member in Faction Two. I could easily see Waldheim giving Michael his medal for assisting F2 in breaking up a pedophile ring!There is much more I could say and have said about MJ and Faction Two... but if I did, you would never have time to review the information from last year. Some of which explains how Thomas Sneddon very well may be brought up on charges himself as has been stated in this article by the Partisan: Read more goYou are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
good theory. just one question- if you think one of the reasons for the hoax is the NWO, then would the FBI be in on it? and if one or two people did release the 333 pages (which i think is pretty fair to assume it's not a coincidence), wouldn't that person/persons be threatened? i'm not saying you know all the answers, i think your theory is wonderful and i agree on most parts. it's just the NWO thing is so tricky!
Quote from: "BeTheChange"Here's the first part of William Wagener's report on the meeting (it says part 2 will be posted tomorrow). I L.O.V.E. this guy [youtube:2ymgp6xx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZCinDvhH1g[/youtube:2ymgp6xx]I tried to embed the vid but for some reason, it isn't working for me. Hope the link works.With L.O.V.E. always.Hi BeTheChange! I've been watching William Wagener's video too . I love that he is trying to help show evidence of how Tom Sneddon is a fraud. He went to a private party for Katherine a few days ago. William did mention that he was at the 2005 trial everyday, but he got kicked out of the court room for shaking Jackie's hand during a break at the trial. I do wonder at times if he might know about the hoax? "Imagine the joy if Tom Sneddon does go to prison for faking evidences, and indirectly causing the death of MJ" That's what he put on his facebook page.[youtube:2ymgp6xx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP_qF3ockow[/youtube:2ymgp6xx]
Here's the first part of William Wagener's report on the meeting (it says part 2 will be posted tomorrow). I L.O.V.E. this guy [youtube:2ymgp6xx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZCinDvhH1g[/youtube:2ymgp6xx]I tried to embed the vid but for some reason, it isn't working for me. Hope the link works.With L.O.V.E. always.
According to this video, Ron Zonen said the 2005 trial was "ultimately a shake down of Michael Jackson."Dictionary - shake downnoun 1. Slang. Extortion of money, as by blackmail. 2. Slang. A thorough search of a place or person._____Thesaurus: shakedownnoun A thorough search of a place or persons: frisk, search. See investigate._____US Military Dictionary: shakedownn. informal 1. a radical change or restructuring, particularly in a hierarchical organization or group: after the collapse of the Soviet Union, a shakedown of the Russian press was inevitable.2. a thorough search of a person or place: harassment and shakedowns by persons in police uniforms.3. a swindle; a piece of extortion: he wants to eliminate bribery, shakedowns, and bid-rigging in New York City's construction industry.____Slang Dictionary: shakedownn. an act of extortion. (Underworld.) Mary was giving Bruno the shakedown, so he tried to put her out of the way. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
That idea was posted before. I mailed Tom Mesereau for advise, but he never got back to me. I want to know what the legal possibilities are when we would file a suit against the snakes with people from all over the world. We also need a solicitor that manages the money and a very good legal team. A few people from California need to represent us all. It would be a hell of a project. I don't know what the possibilities are. Maybe someone here with a degree in California law knows how this can be done. This is not something that can be done just like that, you need proof (not just internet articles) and it needs to be prepared.