Glenn Beck's rally at Lincoln Memorial 08/28

[bec]

If you would have read my post, you would have seen we have that IMAGE. Why? Because that is how Americans are portrayed here. I am not saying that all or most Americans act like that. It's what is shown to the rest of the world.

So what, do you think, is the agenda?  If you and others can believe that most Americans aren't the way the media in your countries portrays us, then obviously there is an agenda.  It seems the world always hears negative things about America - much more than the good we do in this world.  And many of us Americans find it frustrating.  I know I do.  I don't see your media broadcasts, so I can't analyze them and see the trends; hence, the question.

Because bad news sells?

[PJ4MJ]

If you would have read my post, you would have seen we have that IMAGE. Why? Because that is how Americans are portrayed here. I am not saying that all or most Americans act like that. It's what is shown to the rest of the world.

So what, do you think, is the agenda?  If you and others can believe that most Americans aren't the way the media in your countries portrays us, then obviously there is an agenda.  It seems the world always hears negative things about America - much more than the good we do in this world.  And many of us Americans find it frustrating.  I know I do.  I don't see your media broadcasts, so I can't analyze them and see the trends; hence, the question.

Because bad news sells?

Very true, but then that speaks to the audience and what they want to be sold; no?  And again it begs the question...why?

[suspicious mind]

kind of an amazing conversation when you consider all of the imphasis that his been put on mind control :|

[Serenitys_Dream]

Glen Beck is not telling you 9/11 was an inside job, he is not telling you that the Mexico border problem is really created by the Government sponsored drug trade. He isn't telling you about the false left/right paradigm. He is a media puppet trying to distract people away from NWO by pinning all the problems on the left wing, when the division between left and right doesn't truly exists. It's the NWO creating these problems but they distract by pointing fingers at one another.

False Left-Right Paradigm
The political theory that members of opposing political parties such as Republican and Democrat deceptively share common interests and goals, as a one body ruling authority over the masses. The two parties act to create divisiveness and influence the general population while keeping control of the political spectrum.

The False Left-Right Paradigm theorizes that opposing political groups use their influence over the establishment media to dramatize party warfare distraction, in grand performances of bureaucratic rivalry meant to propagandize and divide the populace. Psychological deception is coordinated on all levels of politics and fed through controlled media outlets to divert attention away from the ruling class's hidden agendas. By drawing attention to differences between two political systems, ideologies, races, and classes, the political groups obscure and divide unity among the masses. The tactic creates confusion and frustration among the population, enabling the global elite to increase and consolidate their wealth and power through maintaining an illusion of a two-party system of checks and balances.

Former Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) archivist and Georgetown University professor Carroll Quigley, who is known as being President Bill Clinton’s mentor, wrote in his 1966 book "Tragedy and Hope"—

"The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one, perhaps, of the Right and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers."

"Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so the American people can 'throw the rascals out' at any election without leading to any profound or extreme shifts in policy."
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[suspicious mind]

probably it  is so that most of us are pretty much somewhere in the middle , left with not much of a choice that actually represents most. :|

i've got it


michael for president

a step down from king ans messiah but hey that's the way it goes sometimes :|

[dontmakeitfactual]

Yes; and this false left-right paradigm is not just present in the US nowadays, it happens in other countries too. I'm afraid that political ideologies have no longer a presence in the political arena...

Anyway.

Just thought of this quote when patriotism was mentioned before:

"Patriotism is your conviction that your country is superior to all other just because you were born in it" Bernard Shaw

Please, please,I'm not referring to anyone or CITIZENS of a country in particular, just my thoughts on how I think the word patriotism has been used throughout history. Feeling superior equals believing that only your ideas and values are right, and this of course is dangerous because it leads to wars, etc.

[paula-c]

It is not a campaign of descredito in the United States, the issue here is leveraging its economic and financial development, and technology, not to help others in need, but to dominate and control the natural resources of weak and impoverished, disguising its prey with free trade (NAFTA), which should better be called "free sack" countries and military power, because it is equal to fight child chest against fighters of Sumo, with 150 pounds of weight, arguing that freedom is the best for all. They do give money to kill people with Plan Colombia, or trafficked drugs and change them by bombs and guns, to assemble and destabilize other Governments that are not interested in, and of course all these things are dressed in the media Americans with false patriotism.

[jacilovesmichael]

Sorry, I watched that rally and I didn't like it at all. Palin was there and that did it for me. Besides that it looked like some kind of cult and I heard God our saviour like 100,000 times. Where was his truth? If there are so many lies in this world, why not take your chance with all those people around you and tell them exactly what is going on in this world? I only heard them talk about the brave soldiers fighting against the bad people (El Fake Aida), something that is a LIE in itself. I was disappointed, I had expected something else after I heard Beck's speeches and rants, but it looks like he is very two-faced. I stopped watching after 90 minutes or so because I needed a bucket.

AsI interpretated it, the message was: "It don't matter what you look like, or what your color is, as long as you're an American, it's fine." I hate that patriotic behavior, that is why in Europe we have such an bad image of Americans. It's nice to be proud of your inheritage and country, but NEVER think you're superiour, that's plain wrong.

Conclusion: this was a missed chance.

Agreed. It makes me feel ashamed for being an American. Who the f*** are these people to say we are superior? That is the exact attitude that CAUSED racism in the first place. I'm pissed off and once again, I want to move to Holland  :lol:

[Nathalia]

Forgive me, I haven't posted in a while; but this monstrosity of a gathering was absolutely sickening to me. And trust me when I say, the backlash will be of epic proportions. All of this ''superiority'' talk is going to divide the people in such a way that violence and rioting are inevitable. It is very unfortunate, and it is clearly all part of a master plan, to everyone on this forum please realize what's about to happen. The outlook is very grim.

[1VLOVE]

I think some of the comments made have been taken out of context.  Glenn Beck recently had MLK's neice and her pastor on his show with him.  She supports what he is doing whole heartedly.  Please take a look at Beck's show that aired on Friday before the rally.  It will shed more light.  The fight he is calling for is to stand up to the lies  and gaff the mainstream media and politicians around the world have been spewing out on us.  It is not a call to fight against peace or MLK's message.  Beck supports everything Martin Luther King stood for.  Al Sharpton is the one that is raising hell about it because Beck is not black.  Go back and watch what he has said about it on his shows.

I watch Beck on a regular basis.  I am amazed  at how his message and what he is actually doing is being twisted and misconstrued.  I was raised in a political household.  My father was involved in DC politics all his life.  This kind of thing goes on all the time.  Mud slinging to take away from what is actually happening or being said.  This is what MJ experienced all his life.  Assail a person with lies so no one sees what he is actually doing.  People unfortunately remember the lies and accusations and never seem to dig for the real truth.


I AGREE with you 100%!
Try watching a few of Beck's shows before you make a decision.  Think for yourselves!

[paula-c]

Interview with a soldier: from the war in Colombia to the war in Iraq by: Patria Zurda publication date: 03/08/10

3 August 2010 (Rubén Zamora) - this interview is a former professional soldier who belonged to the Colombian Army Brigade seventeenth and which by economic circumstances involved in the war in Iraq.

The name and other data omitted for their safety. The coincidences allowed us to find and in a very frank and measured to extend ourselves in a conversation dialogue that does not hide the recognition of the heroic resistance of the Iraqi people and the condition in which are exploited soldiers and mercenaries by Government and the American contractors.

Who makes the interview is not a journalist, a fighter fariano, eager to learn and compare the truths of two Nations that American troops are involved directly. An indomitable Iraq and Colombia where he is installed a large base military us guiding us into conflict with many similarities.

Rubén z. January 8, 2010

How did you alistaste to go to Iraq?
In December 2005, one day in a classified press said the need for professional soldiers, officers, or official sub and offered good salary, I stood at the address and was a school private security called ID system. There were several people, explained us that it is a work to care for oil wells in Iraq, the promise was 6 thousand dollars monthly salary, present us the requirements and one week had list documentation. Salary worth in spite of the risk, had already lived enough, when he was in military service at the 17th Brigade of the army as a private and professional soldier.
In June 2006, called me a captain Guevara, ordered me to introduce myself, confirmed me that this tender was with the Department of State American and would pay of $ 1,600. Took me new data, demanded me to do a course in Bogotá, a cavalry school week: physical test, polygon long gun, instructors were American; a week at the headquarters of civilian employees of the army; the polygon with sidearms and shotguns in Facatativá, at a school Latin colombo security headquarters. Approved course confirmed me that we left direction to Baghdad in the middle of December. They gave us information standards in that country and the situation in Iraq.

What was the exact path?
We did scale in Venezuela, Frankfort, Jordan and hence we fly heading to Baghdad. We travel in groups of 15 men, we arrive at airport of Baghdad and hence we were led to the company Black Water (black water), an American contractor is attached personnel of military retired from several countries in the world. We walk 15 minutes in vehicles heavily escorted by convoys to the camp of the PSD (staff escorts of the u.s. Department of State) which is opposite the American Embassy.
What was the first impression you get there?
Of a country at war. Much destruction, the airport was controlled by many American troops, many aircraft, military helicopters and other equipment of combat. We received and protected us with jackets anti-bala and helmet. Resistance to fire from snipers who harassed the Caravan and appreciated vehicles burnt on the sides of the track named us in the route.

What was the mission?
Received entries camp and escort of the Department of State and visiting personnel protection.
They were distinguished gringas troops?
Principle staffing weapons were shotguns, our uniforms were military type baige, color of the same colour of the boots and helmet. AR-4 rifles then endowed us. Also not participábamos in offensive operations.
Do you always permaneciste in Baghdad?
No, there spent a while and then we moved to Al Hillah, hence protect a regional of the American Embassy.
How to perceive the atmosphere of a country at war?
Reports that wasn direct sources, generally episodes that had permanent attacks that wasn with mortars and rockets and American troops. Sometimes, by satellite, identified the launch of artillery and alarm warned that you had to go to the bunkers. Times were every day several times a day, every four days and more duramos without being attacked during the month of Ramadan, they are dedicated to prayer, visit the sacred sites, it was that elapses from October 15 to November 15, Muhammad died in that month.

What is an important objective of resistance?
The green zone where they were Sadan, administrative buildings that area surrounded it with walls of concrete nearly four metres high, attacks it artillery come from the other side of the Tigris River, the first rocket attacks fell outside, then they were specifying the target to be effective. . We had restricted leave the green area just by the amount given to newspaper in Baghdad Bombings. We left unarmed and civil.
How was the Colombian staff in service organized?
We were divided into four teams of 15 men and each team had three American supervisors. In the green area had groups of various nationalities.

Was the issue that most commented with gringas troops?
On the desire to get out fast, terminate your service. American politicians he had lied to the world, that it was a farce to justify the invasion, or installations where had manufactured them weapons of mass destruction never found. The troop feels deceived, because there are many casualties and contempt for the Iraqis, that greatly affects morale.

What's more affect them morale?
Snipers attacks and bombings.
What role do the media play?
They makeup everything. These are controlled by us. All it makes CNN. Statistics of American casualties are manipulated.
Where there are as many attacks on troops occupation?
Neighbourhoods, in marginal areas, people attacked on the street, even some of the attackers are women and children that manipulate very well fragmentation grenades.
Are many casualties?
Yes, many, it was easy to estimate when developments since the helicopters came often to a military hospital located diagonally to the camp where we were in Baghdad.

Where is resistance greater?
Falhuya, Basra, Baghdad, Kirkuk, there are major stocks and oil infrastructure. Historical provinces in the field are religious in Basra killed Ali, the son-in-law of Muhammad, hence comes the rivalry between Shi'a and Sunni. Ali is for the Shia designated Muhammad, and the Shi'a represent greater force of resistance against the American occupation. The Sunnis are divided, some supported occupation, but were affected, 90 per cent of the iraquís have lost loved ones by the invasion and this has led to a feeling of revenge to the Americans. The winners have been Kurds since these clans were persecuted by Sadan Hussein.

Who runs the resistance?
Spiritual leaders, are actually actions of the Iraqi people. People feel the need to take revenge. Feel that they violated them their sovereignty: territory, culture, their churches and sacred sites, its oil, the Americans destroyed them hospitals, is a town that has no water, no light, nor sewerage, hungry. The ruins of Babylon were raped, then built camps Georgian troops that are part of U.S. allies. The destruction was terrible for the bombing, in front of us was the building of the Ministry of defence, is ruined by 70% by American attacks.
Do the United States have full control of the army and Iraqi police?.
Not. The army is composed of iraquís and they feel hatred by occupation troops. Americans see them with Ganymede, superiority, discriminate against them, is more, they know that foreign troops are responsible for the destruction of Iraq. There have been cases of attacks on Iraqi military against us troops. One case, for example, travels a joint patrol of American and Iraqi military one Iraqi soldier shot burst against Americans, kills a major, 7 soldiers, was also killed. In the cafeteria of the Parliament a police escort a Minister, detonated a vest with explosives which was attached to his body, and there were many dead and wounded. Once got a command to an American base, a van and 6 were soldiers American prisoners, the command was composed by Iraqi police.

What state are you producing oil?
It is said that only Iraq is taking place 20% in two years could recover 90%, American companies have not have safety for oil holdings. The debate in the Parliament is the subject of oil nationalization. Resistance in Parliament is large.
Do what power the United States in Iraq?
The Maliky representative, is Chiita, his rise to power was negotiated to overcome the actions against the Americans. It accepted that the army and police were trained by the Americans but refused to be led by General gringos. Just delete the Ordinance No. 3 which granted immunity to troops and personnel of the contractors that they could do what came them in WINS and recognized as diplomatic staff enjoyed immunity. It is inconceivable for the contractors that an American is judged by Iraqi courts.
Blak Waber, company attacked a family in a patrol, that was a year ago, and from that company's output is demanded. The Iraqi authorities closed the airports and demanded that the output of the company, he changed the name to the company but staff we remain the same.
To give an idea, the Iraqi Government refused to buy her armament and other equipment fighting us and preferred to those dealing with Russia.

How many security companies were in Iraq?
They are as 1,100 companies.
Who rebuilds Iraq?
The United States, companies like the Halliburton are those that have earned these tenders.

What you prompted to say the trip to Iraq?
The economic situation.

Are you satisfied?
The truth that not. One was to actually win was the contractor, State Department paid by each of us $ 12 million per month, and we paid $ 1000 each. Suggested several times that increased us salary and what they said is that many people wanted to that Office by the same. One is very inconforme.

What if stay crippled?
They require them to business insurance, if we spent some company responded you to one in the military hospital, from there went it to Germany and then passed it to Colombia and is under the protection of a private hospital. A colleague was crippled by a wound on his leg and with which he was paid only was able to buy a truck 350.
What do you think of the Iraqi people?
In general are very friendly people, much studying people, when they see that it is not dangerous for them are good people with one.

Do you think that the invasion was justified?
No, at any time.

Who defends the people of Iraq with this resistance?
Its sovereignty, defending their land, their beliefs, their culture, which belongs to them.

What do you think of weapons of mass destruction of Sadan?
We found no, everything was a big lie. Not found anything similar. These weapons were something like terrorism in Colombia, pretext bass which installed the gringos in Colombia, here you will spend the same or similar that in Iraq. They are only smoke curtains to justify intervention.

That has been lost in Iraq?
The main thing, human lives, liberty, part of the cultural values, led the gringos vices, missed the tranquility, wealth, infrastructure services.
Was easy-the dialogue with the American troops?
Yes, we find many latinos, including Colombian, are soldiers of the U.S. Army, he was uncomfortable. Many soldiers are undocumented that after serving two years in the army are entitled to the green card is the nationality. They can be a 35 to 40 per cent. Carry both Latin because they are easier to recruit them, are people who have many needs and employment problems.

What services do you offer contractors?
They are static guard, which was the case with us, the Psd escorting caravans of vehicles with food, escorts; services training, intelligence services.

Do you think that an Iraqi feels to see face to an American?
I hate the long hatred.

Why?
By the humiliations to which have been subjected. It may feel one as Colombian if submitted it the gringos to their humiliation. See, in the camp, employees were iraquís, made domestic services, 300, two were women, we saw as enemies, were subject to restrictions, prohibit us talking to them, do not let them enter nothing, and food, some of us were permissive, we understood the situation, but it was very difficult for American supervisors controls.

At the time of retirement that you require?
Commitment to confidentiality.

Wouldst to Iraq?
I do not believe it.