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Quote from: "~Souza~"Quote from: "Hazzely"Many of you said LMP was in the hoax (i don't remember whose blog was it but someone posted an analysis of something LMP said about The Scenario & how Michael didn't want to end up like Elvis), the sunflowers and so on, yet she didn't agree to give a DNA sample when Eliza asked..that could have proved that "Jesse" was maybe not Elvis, but someone close to the family.Where does LMP stand now and why didn't she give the sample? Is she then out of the hoax? Isn't she aware of Michael's hoax anymore? You're always changing the stories to support your theories.I won't be posting but i'll be waiting for your answers.I never said I was sure LMP was in on it. Maybe she doesn't oppose because she knows that Eliza is telling the truth. LMP must be in contact with her father about this, and maybe he doesn't want her to make objections. That has nothing to do IMO with Mike's hoax. Of course LMP knows about her father, and whether she is officially in or not, she must have seen Mike did it his way as well.She didnt say that you, in perticular said that LMP knew about both hoaxes.
Quote from: "Hazzely"Many of you said LMP was in the hoax (i don't remember whose blog was it but someone posted an analysis of something LMP said about The Scenario & how Michael didn't want to end up like Elvis), the sunflowers and so on, yet she didn't agree to give a DNA sample when Eliza asked..that could have proved that "Jesse" was maybe not Elvis, but someone close to the family.Where does LMP stand now and why didn't she give the sample? Is she then out of the hoax? Isn't she aware of Michael's hoax anymore? You're always changing the stories to support your theories.I won't be posting but i'll be waiting for your answers.I never said I was sure LMP was in on it. Maybe she doesn't oppose because she knows that Eliza is telling the truth. LMP must be in contact with her father about this, and maybe he doesn't want her to make objections. That has nothing to do IMO with Mike's hoax. Of course LMP knows about her father, and whether she is officially in or not, she must have seen Mike did it his way as well.
Many of you said LMP was in the hoax (i don't remember whose blog was it but someone posted an analysis of something LMP said about The Scenario & how Michael didn't want to end up like Elvis), the sunflowers and so on, yet she didn't agree to give a DNA sample when Eliza asked..that could have proved that "Jesse" was maybe not Elvis, but someone close to the family.Where does LMP stand now and why didn't she give the sample? Is she then out of the hoax? Isn't she aware of Michael's hoax anymore? You're always changing the stories to support your theories.I won't be posting but i'll be waiting for your answers.
Quote from: "LoveNeedsExpression"Quote from: "~Souza~"Quote from: "Hazzely"Many of you said LMP was in the hoax (i don't remember whose blog was it but someone posted an analysis of something LMP said about The Scenario & how Michael didn't want to end up like Elvis), the sunflowers and so on, yet she didn't agree to give a DNA sample when Eliza asked..that could have proved that "Jesse" was maybe not Elvis, but someone close to the family.Where does LMP stand now and why didn't she give the sample? Is she then out of the hoax? Isn't she aware of Michael's hoax anymore? You're always changing the stories to support your theories.I won't be posting but i'll be waiting for your answers.I never said I was sure LMP was in on it. Maybe she doesn't oppose because she knows that Eliza is telling the truth. LMP must be in contact with her father about this, and maybe he doesn't want her to make objections. That has nothing to do IMO with Mike's hoax. Of course LMP knows about her father, and whether she is officially in or not, she must have seen Mike did it his way as well.She didnt say that you, in perticular said that LMP knew about both hoaxes.I can't speak for others and she said 'many of you' so I replied.
Quote from: "bubaliciousjlb"Quote from: "newoldfan"Quote from: "bubaliciousjlb"this eliza elvis thing has really been bugging me and after thinking about it for a while isnt it possible that eliza could be vernons brother vesters child. i mean vernon and vester married two sisters gladys and clettes. and didnt eliza mother say that vernon was not her father so maybe her dad is vester. wouldnt that still give her that same dna match? could someone please answer that.I don't think the DNA results would be the same. However, that's not the point. I think a lot of questions that are still being asked would be answered by going back to TIAI Update #6: Michael and Elvis, DOuble-Bam This Summer or You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login.Eliza has a DNA sample from a person by the name of Jesse Presley. This DNA sample proves that Eliza and Jesse are half siblings and Jesse in turn is biologically related to the known cousins on both sides of the family tree to Elvis Presley. Because Elvis never had any full siblings (other than a twin, Jessie, who was stillborn), no one else could match cousins on both sides but Elvis himself. ... Eliza also sent the results to another independent DNA company to verify the results. The lab owner, Dr. Donald Yates, said publicly that the DNA supported Eliza’s claim and that Jesse had to be Elvis. And yes, he said, this means that Elvis is alive..........And now we can be certain that Elvis did fake his death, which means that we can also be certain that MJ faked his death!Read TIAI Update #6: Michael and Elvis, DOuble-Bam This Summer again.....the answers are all there!!!first of all im not doubting that elvis faked his death i came to that conclusion years ago long before ts ever even wrote anything about it. and i also did not need ts to come to the conclusion that michael had faked his death as well. my problem is with this eliza person who is trying her best to make people believe that she is elvis sister. i was just thinking that since lisa marie wont give up her dna its because she doesnt need to because she knows that this jesse and eliza are not vernons children and instead they are his brothers kids.Why would Lisa Marie want Eliza to be legally recognized as the heir to Vernon Presley and therefor legally recognized as the biological daughter of Vernon Elvis Presley if to her knowledge Jesse and Eliza are children of Vernon's bother..? Can you give me one good reason for that?
Quote from: "newoldfan"Quote from: "bubaliciousjlb"this eliza elvis thing has really been bugging me and after thinking about it for a while isnt it possible that eliza could be vernons brother vesters child. i mean vernon and vester married two sisters gladys and clettes. and didnt eliza mother say that vernon was not her father so maybe her dad is vester. wouldnt that still give her that same dna match? could someone please answer that.I don't think the DNA results would be the same. However, that's not the point. I think a lot of questions that are still being asked would be answered by going back to TIAI Update #6: Michael and Elvis, DOuble-Bam This Summer or You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login.Eliza has a DNA sample from a person by the name of Jesse Presley. This DNA sample proves that Eliza and Jesse are half siblings and Jesse in turn is biologically related to the known cousins on both sides of the family tree to Elvis Presley. Because Elvis never had any full siblings (other than a twin, Jessie, who was stillborn), no one else could match cousins on both sides but Elvis himself. ... Eliza also sent the results to another independent DNA company to verify the results. The lab owner, Dr. Donald Yates, said publicly that the DNA supported Eliza’s claim and that Jesse had to be Elvis. And yes, he said, this means that Elvis is alive..........And now we can be certain that Elvis did fake his death, which means that we can also be certain that MJ faked his death!Read TIAI Update #6: Michael and Elvis, DOuble-Bam This Summer again.....the answers are all there!!!first of all im not doubting that elvis faked his death i came to that conclusion years ago long before ts ever even wrote anything about it. and i also did not need ts to come to the conclusion that michael had faked his death as well. my problem is with this eliza person who is trying her best to make people believe that she is elvis sister. i was just thinking that since lisa marie wont give up her dna its because she doesnt need to because she knows that this jesse and eliza are not vernons children and instead they are his brothers kids.
Quote from: "bubaliciousjlb"this eliza elvis thing has really been bugging me and after thinking about it for a while isnt it possible that eliza could be vernons brother vesters child. i mean vernon and vester married two sisters gladys and clettes. and didnt eliza mother say that vernon was not her father so maybe her dad is vester. wouldnt that still give her that same dna match? could someone please answer that.I don't think the DNA results would be the same. However, that's not the point. I think a lot of questions that are still being asked would be answered by going back to TIAI Update #6: Michael and Elvis, DOuble-Bam This Summer or You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login.Eliza has a DNA sample from a person by the name of Jesse Presley. This DNA sample proves that Eliza and Jesse are half siblings and Jesse in turn is biologically related to the known cousins on both sides of the family tree to Elvis Presley. Because Elvis never had any full siblings (other than a twin, Jessie, who was stillborn), no one else could match cousins on both sides but Elvis himself. ... Eliza also sent the results to another independent DNA company to verify the results. The lab owner, Dr. Donald Yates, said publicly that the DNA supported Eliza’s claim and that Jesse had to be Elvis. And yes, he said, this means that Elvis is alive..........And now we can be certain that Elvis did fake his death, which means that we can also be certain that MJ faked his death!Read TIAI Update #6: Michael and Elvis, DOuble-Bam This Summer again.....the answers are all there!!!
this eliza elvis thing has really been bugging me and after thinking about it for a while isnt it possible that eliza could be vernons brother vesters child. i mean vernon and vester married two sisters gladys and clettes. and didnt eliza mother say that vernon was not her father so maybe her dad is vester. wouldnt that still give her that same dna match? could someone please answer that.
Quote from: "*Mo*"Quote from: "bubaliciousjlb"Quote from: "newoldfan"Quote from: "bubaliciousjlb"this eliza elvis thing has really been bugging me and after thinking about it for a while isnt it possible that eliza could be vernons brother vesters child. i mean vernon and vester married two sisters gladys and clettes. and didnt eliza mother say that vernon was not her father so maybe her dad is vester. wouldnt that still give her that same dna match? could someone please answer that.I don't think the DNA results would be the same. However, that's not the point. I think a lot of questions that are still being asked would be answered by going back to TIAI Update #6: Michael and Elvis, DOuble-Bam This Summer or You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login.Eliza has a DNA sample from a person by the name of Jesse Presley. This DNA sample proves that Eliza and Jesse are half siblings and Jesse in turn is biologically related to the known cousins on both sides of the family tree to Elvis Presley. Because Elvis never had any full siblings (other than a twin, Jessie, who was stillborn), no one else could match cousins on both sides but Elvis himself. ... Eliza also sent the results to another independent DNA company to verify the results. The lab owner, Dr. Donald Yates, said publicly that the DNA supported Eliza’s claim and that Jesse had to be Elvis. And yes, he said, this means that Elvis is alive..........And now we can be certain that Elvis did fake his death, which means that we can also be certain that MJ faked his death!Read TIAI Update #6: Michael and Elvis, DOuble-Bam This Summer again.....the answers are all there!!!first of all im not doubting that elvis faked his death i came to that conclusion years ago long before ts ever even wrote anything about it. and i also did not need ts to come to the conclusion that michael had faked his death as well. my problem is with this eliza person who is trying her best to make people believe that she is elvis sister. i was just thinking that since lisa marie wont give up her dna its because she doesnt need to because she knows that this jesse and eliza are not vernons children and instead they are his brothers kids.Why would Lisa Marie want Eliza to be legally recognized as the heir to Vernon Presley and therefor legally recognized as the biological daughter of Vernon Elvis Presley if to her knowledge Jesse and Eliza are children of Vernon's bother..? Can you give me one good reason for that?i think you may need to reread what i wrote. i never said that lisa marie wanted eliza to be reconized as the heir to vernnon presley.what i said was that maybe jesse and eliza are the heir to vester not vernon and thats why lisa wont give up her dna.
i was just thinking that since lisa marie wont give up her dna its because she doesnt need to because she knows that this jesse and eliza are not vernons children and instead they are his brothers kids.
Forgive me, but can someone please try to explain why TS keeps re-directing to the Elvis hoax? Like it has been previously said, people who aren't convinced aren't going to cross over to believing Elvis did hoax his death or is part of Michael's hoax with just re-directs. I am one of those who believes Elvis did and that his hoax is connected with Michael's, but (I'm sorry to say TS!) I feel like I keep reading the same thing over and over again. Maybe it's because I'm missing a point? I don't know if this is to convince people or to just emphasize the connections, but these are starting to feel like deja vu. Am I the only one?Please TS, don't take this as criticism. I'm merely trying to understand! I do appreciate all your hard work. I guess I'm so used to the twists and turns of this adventure, that when we are meant to focus on something specifically for a long time, I get antsy. I'll crawl back to my corner and wait patiently now. :oops:
Quote from: "mjfansince4"Forgive me, but can someone please try to explain why TS keeps re-directing to the Elvis hoax? Like it has been previously said, people who aren't convinced aren't going to cross over to believing Elvis did hoax his death or is part of Michael's hoax with just re-directs. I am one of those who believes Elvis did and that his hoax is connected with Michael's, but (I'm sorry to say TS!) I feel like I keep reading the same thing over and over again. Maybe it's because I'm missing a point? I don't know if this is to convince people or to just emphasize the connections, but these are starting to feel like deja vu. Am I the only one?Please TS, don't take this as criticism. I'm merely trying to understand! I do appreciate all your hard work. I guess I'm so used to the twists and turns of this adventure, that when we are meant to focus on something specifically for a long time, I get antsy. I'll crawl back to my corner and wait patiently now. :oops:The recent developments in Eliza's case are important, Eliza is about to be legally recognized as the heir to Vernon Presley and therefor legally recognized as the biological daughter of Vernon Presley. This all started with Eliza providing DNA evidence proving that Elvis Presley is alive. Once the judge has ruled on the motion it is a FACT, there is no escaping for anyone anymore, there are no more excuses for those who keep saying that Elvis Presley died. It is a BIG step in the right direction, which will hopefully make those who oppose the Elvis and MJ connection reconsider their objections and realize that we're not that crazy.
newoldfan, You are right with irrefutable scientific evidence (99.9%) that Eliza is the daughter of Vernon. If there is no exhumation of the corpse, how Eliza could get the test?. All this in court, we will sit and wait for the next function
But, of course, being legally recognized as an heir and having proof to show the world that the history books should be rewritten are two different things. Obtaining the court order will only be one more step in Eliza's journey. But it will certainly be a big step in her quest to prove she's neither lying nor crazy.So if you're one of the thousands of fans visiting Graceland today to pay tribute to the late Elvis Presley, take lots of pictures. This may be the last anniversary that you have a reason to visit the gravesite.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login ... death.html see last comment Sarah said... It appears that a Lawyer for Lisa Marie yesturday filed papers , so does this now mean that it is no longer undisputed and that they intend to fight this case ?Reply August 17, 2010 at 02:29 PM
Quote from: "bubaliciousjlb"Quote from: "*Mo*"Quote from: "bubaliciousjlb"Quote from: "newoldfan"Quote from: "bubaliciousjlb"this eliza elvis thing has really been bugging me and after thinking about it for a while isnt it possible that eliza could be vernons brother vesters child. i mean vernon and vester married two sisters gladys and clettes. and didnt eliza mother say that vernon was not her father so maybe her dad is vester. wouldnt that still give her that same dna match? could someone please answer that.I don't think the DNA results would be the same. However, that's not the point. I think a lot of questions that are still being asked would be answered by going back to TIAI Update #6: Michael and Elvis, DOuble-Bam This Summer or You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login.Eliza has a DNA sample from a person by the name of Jesse Presley. This DNA sample proves that Eliza and Jesse are half siblings and Jesse in turn is biologically related to the known cousins on both sides of the family tree to Elvis Presley. Because Elvis never had any full siblings (other than a twin, Jessie, who was stillborn), no one else could match cousins on both sides but Elvis himself. ... Eliza also sent the results to another independent DNA company to verify the results. The lab owner, Dr. Donald Yates, said publicly that the DNA supported Eliza’s claim and that Jesse had to be Elvis. And yes, he said, this means that Elvis is alive..........And now we can be certain that Elvis did fake his death, which means that we can also be certain that MJ faked his death!Read TIAI Update #6: Michael and Elvis, DOuble-Bam This Summer again.....the answers are all there!!!first of all im not doubting that elvis faked his death i came to that conclusion years ago long before ts ever even wrote anything about it. and i also did not need ts to come to the conclusion that michael had faked his death as well. my problem is with this eliza person who is trying her best to make people believe that she is elvis sister. i was just thinking that since lisa marie wont give up her dna its because she doesnt need to because she knows that this jesse and eliza are not vernons children and instead they are his brothers kids.Why would Lisa Marie want Eliza to be legally recognized as the heir to Vernon Presley and therefor legally recognized as the biological daughter of Vernon Elvis Presley if to her knowledge Jesse and Eliza are children of Vernon's bother..? Can you give me one good reason for that?i think you may need to reread what i wrote. i never said that lisa marie wanted eliza to be reconized as the heir to vernnon presley.what i said was that maybe jesse and eliza are the heir to vester not vernon and thats why lisa wont give up her dna.You said:Quote from: "bubaliciousjlb"i was just thinking that since lisa marie wont give up her dna its because she doesnt need to because she knows that this jesse and eliza are not vernons children and instead they are his brothers kids.In case this would be the true, then Lisa Marie still APPROVES Eliza being legally recognized as the heir to Vernon Presley by willingly not providing DNA to prove the opposite. So my question still stands: Can you give me one good reason for that?
