Joe Jackson: I Get No Respect

[*Mo*]

Joe Jackson: I Get No Respect
12 minutes ago by TMZ Staff  

Joe Jackson's lawyer claims, his client has not been treated with "dignity and worth" by the judge in the Michael Jackson probate case.

Jackson's lawyer, Brian Oxman, filed papers with a California appeals court, claiming the probate judge was wrong in shutting down Joe's attempt to 86 executors John Branca and John McClain.

The trial judge ruled Joe had no legal standing to object to the duo, because Joe himself was intentionally excluded by MJ as a beneficiary under the will.

But Oxman claims Joe was financially dependent on his son and should therefore have a right to object to the appointment of the men who are making financial decisions for the Estate.

Although Joe is alleging various misdeeds on the part of the executors -- including fraud and embezzlement, which the executors strongly deny -- the lawyer for Michael Jackson's kids claim Joe is actually harming them with all the "procedural wrangling."  Margaret Lodise, the kids' lawyer, says Joe only cares about his stake in the Estate and, therefore, he's "the ultimate dog in the manger."

http://www.tmz.com/2010/08/16/joe-jacks ... executors/

[trublu]

You know I just can't quite work Joe out ...  :?

[Puff]

But Oxman claims Joe was financially dependent on his son and should therefore have a right to object to the appointment of the men who are making financial decisions for the Estate.

Oh yeah.........  :roll:

[Serenitys_Dream]

"the ultimate dog in the manger."

The Dog in the Manger
The Dog in the Manger is a fable attributed to Aesop, concerning a dog who one afternoon lay down to sleep in the manger. On being awoken, he ferociously kept the cattle in the farm from eating the hay on which he chose to sleep, even though he was unable to eat it himself, leading an ox to mutter the moral of the fable:

People often begrudge others what they cannot enjoy themselves.

The phrase is proverbial, referring to people who spitefully prevent others from having something that they themselves have no use for. A typical example is the child who discards a toy — until a sibling tries to play with it. Then the first child becomes possessive about something he no longer wanted.

The metaphor is attributed to Jesus in the Gospel of Thomas
where he compares Pharisees to a sleeping dog. In logion 102 Jesus says:

Woe to them, the Pharisees! For they are like a dog sleeping in the manger of the cattle; for he neither eats, nor does he let the cattle eat.

There is a similarity here with Jesus' criticisms of the Pharisees in the canonical Gospel of Matthew (Mat. 23:13):

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to."

In Spanish, the story is called El Perro del Hortelano, or 'The Vegetable Gardener's Dog'. A play by Spaniard Lope de Vega  with this title deals with the emotional complications of class conflict. The haughty countess Diana rejects her many aristocratic suitors and falls in love instead with her handsome young secretary, Teodoro, the lover of her maid. Unwilling to let the couple marry, she is also unwilling to marry him herself. There is also a Spanish film based on the play released in 1996; an earlier TV adaptation made in Russia in 1977 (Sobaka na sene) carried the same title in the USA.

Emily Bronte's Wuthering Heights alludes to this fable during an argument between Catherine Linton and Isabella Linton over Isabella's love for Heathcliff.

In Villette, by Charlotte Bronte, Madame Beck tells the heroine Lucy Snowe that M. Emmanuel must not marry her. Lucy retorts, "Dog in a Manger!" She believes Madame Beck herself wanted to marry M. Emmanuel but could not as he had no interest in her.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dog_in_the_Manger

[MJmakesmespeechless]

I dont like Joe myself...sorry!

[Elsa]

"the ultimate dog in the manger."

The Dog in the Manger
The Dog in the Manger is a fable attributed to Aesop, concerning a dog who one afternoon lay down to sleep in the manger. On being awoken, he ferociously kept the cattle in the farm from eating the hay on which he chose to sleep, even though he was unable to eat it himself, leading an ox to mutter the moral of the fable:

People often begrudge others what they cannot enjoy themselves.

The phrase is proverbial, referring to people who spitefully prevent others from having something that they themselves have no use for. A typical example is the child who discards a toy — until a sibling tries to play with it. Then the first child becomes possessive about something he no longer wanted.

The metaphor is attributed to Jesus in the Gospel of Thomas
where he compares Pharisees to a sleeping dog. In logion 102 Jesus says:

Woe to them, the Pharisees! For they are like a dog sleeping in the manger of the cattle; for he neither eats, nor does he let the cattle eat.

There is a similarity here with Jesus' criticisms of the Pharisees in the canonical Gospel of Matthew (Mat. 23:13):

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to."

In Spanish, the story is called El Perro del Hortelano, or 'The Vegetable Gardener's Dog'. A play by Spaniard Lope de Vega with this title deals with the emotional complications of class conflict. The haughty countess Diana rejects her many aristocratic suitors and falls in love instead with her handsome young secretary, Teodoro, the lover of her maid. Unwilling to let the couple marry, she is also unwilling to marry him herself. There is also a Spanish film based on the play released in 1996; an earlier TV adaptation made in Russia in 1977 (Sobaka na sene) carried the same title in the USA.

Emily Bronte's Wuthering Heights alludes to this fable during an argument between Catherine Linton and Isabella Linton over Isabella's love for Heathcliff.

In Villette, by Charlotte Bronte, Madame Beck tells the heroine Lucy Snowe that M. Emmanuel must not marry her. Lucy retorts, "Dog in a Manger!" She believes Madame Beck herself wanted to marry M. Emmanuel but could not as he had no interest in her.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dog_in_the_Manger

Wow Serenitys_Dream I've noticed how fast you've been able to put your posts together after someone starts a thread on the latest TMZ article - but this has to be your record!!!

[voiceforthesilent]

Jackson's lawyer, Brian Oxman, filed papers with a California appeals court, claiming the probate judge was wrong in shutting down Joe's attempt to 86 executors John Branca and John McClain.

How does this story tie into the one earlier about the lawyer falling and breaking his behind? Or maybe it doesn't....just seems like two odd stories in one day. They must have another meaning. I like the fable connection  - makes sense.

[Im_convincedmjalive]

Joe Jackson: I Get No Respect  ;)

[youtube:1r68p9v5]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FPv2toi5og[/youtube:1r68p9v5]

Story of Rodney Dangerfield's Life too...
No Respect lol  ;)

Peace

[PureLove]

The trial judge ruled Joe had no legal standing to object to the duo, because Joe himself was intentionally excluded by MJ as a beneficiary under the will.

They're almost going to say Joe has no right to sue DCM! lol :)

[paula-c]

dog in the manger

Etymology From Aesop From Aesop

Noun dog in the manger ( plural dogs in mangers ) dog in the manger

1.One who denies others what he cannot use himself. What Others One Who Denies Himself I can not use.
1930 , MK Gandhi , "Notes on the Way to Dandi", in Non-Violent Resistance , page 246
No adjective is strong enough for characterizing this wicked dog-in-the-manger policy. Is not strong enough adjective for characterizing this wicked dog-in-the-manger policy. From various sources I hear tales of such wanton destruction of nations' property in all parts of India.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/dog_in_the_manger

[suspicious mind]

Joe Jackson: I Get No Respect
12 minutes ago by TMZ Staff  

Joe Jackson's lawyer claims, his client has not been treated with "dignity and worth" by the judge in the Michael Jackson probate case.

Jackson's lawyer, Brian Oxman, filed papers with a California appeals court, claiming the probate judge was wrong in shutting down Joe's attempt to 86 executors John Branca and John McClain.

The trial judge ruled Joe had no legal standing to object to the duo, because Joe himself was intentionally excluded by MJ as a beneficiary under the will.

But Oxman claims Joe was financially dependent on his son and should therefore have a right to object to the appointment of the men who are making financial decisions for the Estate.

Although Joe is alleging various misdeeds on the part of the executors -- including fraud and embezzlement, which the executors strongly deny -- the lawyer for Michael Jackson's kids claim Joe is actually harming them with all the "procedural wrangling."  Margaret Lodise, the kids' lawyer, says Joe only cares about his stake in the Estate and, therefore, he's "the ultimate dog in the manger."

http://www.tmz.com/2010/08/16/joe-jacks ... executors/

is this the first time it has been mentioned about the children's lawyer or did i just miss that somewhere along the line?

[mdc]

Maybe Joe needs the money because he is "baroque"  :lol:

Sorry, I couldn't resist. :D

[Sangre]

But Oxman claims Joe was financially dependent on his son and should therefore have a right to object to the appointment of the men who are making financial decisions for the Estate.

Oh yeah.........  :roll:

Joe Jackson isn't the brightest businessmen out there. Michael himself addressed it in "Moonwalk," when comparing the business sense between them two. Joe made wrong investments and turned to his son for a rescue, but I believe in the end, Michael learned to say no.

[2good2btrue]

Its the first time I heard about the childrens lawyer....this is a bit about her..

Areas of Practice
Estate, Trust and Conservatorship Litigation

http://pview.findlaw.com/view/1547681_1

[pepper]

is this the first time it has been mentioned about the children's lawyer or did i just miss that somewhere along the line?

I wondered this too, and looked her up.  It seems she has been around for quite a while.

Jackson kids now have lawyer; estate debate continues
updated 1:42 p.m. EDT, Mon August 17, 2009

By Alan Duke
CNN

LOS ANGELES, California (CNN) -- The newly named lawyer for Michael Jackson's children makes her first court appearance Monday as a judge decides if he'll approve a contract between Jackson's estate and concert promoter AEG Live.

Jackson's mother, Katherine Jackson, who has custody of the three children, objected to provisions of the deal that would give AEG Live a share of rights to video of her son's final rehearsals.

Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff appointed estate law expert Margaret Lodise last week to represent the children after he decided their interests might sometimes conflict with their grandmother's.

Despite warnings by estate lawyers that a delay could cost millions of dollars, Beckloff delayed his decision on the AEG Live contract one week to give the children's new lawyer time to weigh in on the deal...

http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/0 ... index.html

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Here is a great link, it gives links to many articles that concern her being "guardian ad litum" to the children.

http://cpedia.com/wiki/Margaret_Lodise? ... ce=1#ref_0

From Cpedia, the automated encyclopedia

A Los Angeles Superior Court judge last week appointed Margaret G. Lodise to champion the interests of Paris, Prince Michael II ("Blanket") and Prince Michael. [1] The woman thrust into the center of Jackson's estate case is a trust and estate specialist with the L.A. law firm Sacks Glazier Franklin & Lodise. [2]

Judge Mitchell Beckloff, concerned the interests of the mother and the children may not always coincide, appointed Lodise their guardian ad litem. [3] When she entered Lincoln High, her father, Stockton attorney Darrell Glahn, pushed her into speech and debate. [4]

"I figured she could do all right in a courtroom if she could put the screws to a witness without even alienating the witness," Glahn recalled. [5]

A partner in her own law firm, and a respected authority on probate and trust, Lodise attributes her prominence to hard work, networking, volunteering on many panels and boards and teaching at legal seminars. [6] Though she previously worked on part of the estate of Johnny "Guitar" Watson and, years ago, flamboyant tycoon Armand Hammer, Lodise said she is not branching into celebrity work. [7] She practices estate, trust and conservatorship litigation as a partner of Los Angeles law firm Sacks, Glazier, Franklin and Lodise. [8]

Jackson kids Aug 18 (IBNS) Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff appointed estate law expert Margaret Lodise to represent the late King of Pop Michael Jackson's children after he decided their interests might conflict with their grandmother's. [9] The CNN reported Margaret made her first court appearance Monday as a judge decides if he'll approve a contract between Jackson's estate and concert promoter AEG Live. [10]