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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue
December 12, 2009, 01:57:36 PM
The bracelet that Michael wore in the above picture can also be for allergies (I have one myself)
but I would like to add that individuals born with darker skin, generally have darker fingernails, my 15 year old brother has dark nails and he is a picture of health. The tone of Michael's skin will have made a large contrast to the skin beneath his nails, as the vitiligo doesn't affect that area. I hope I have made sense..
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue
December 12, 2009, 02:00:45 PM
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue
December 12, 2009, 02:12:43 PM
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I just wonder if he really was so unhealthy how he passed the 5 hour medical for the concert?

To be honest it would not matter to them wheter Michael was healty or not, as long as he offically passed the test but we have no idea of how legit it is. They are first thinking about the profit and money then other things. So passing the test is fixable...
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue
December 12, 2009, 02:47:32 PM
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Just thought I'd add something here...

Neither skin cancer or diabetes are life-threatening conditions, if properly managed.  I know people that have had both conditions, and they are still ok.  If Mike has diabetes, I'm sure it would be properly managed.

I know Michael has a problem with his lungs, but I'm pretty sure his heart is ok - I haven't heard anything to the contrary - maybe someone can eloborate?

Also as people get older, they tend to get long-sighted. It hasn't happened to me yet, but I'm sure it's coming!  This would no doubt explain the glasses that Michael wears.

There are some types of skin cancer that is VERY life threatening because it is aggressive and spreads rapidly.  The skin being the largest organ of the body is susceptible to all kinds of latent infections etc once affected, and a person with an underlying skin condition that was as aggressive as Michael's vitiligo could possibly be twice as likely to be adversely affected.  That is why it is very important to catch skin cancer when it is at its very earliest stage, like a tiny speck or a mole.
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue
December 12, 2009, 02:47:45 PM
Quote from: "Alem (Thetruth)"
Quote from: "Harleyblonde"
I just wonder if he really was so unhealthy how he passed the 5 hour medical for the concert?

To be honest it would not matter to them wheter Michael was healty or not, as long as he offically passed the test but we have no idea of how legit it is. They are first thinking about the profit and money then other things. So passing the test is fixable...

Are you talking about AEG or Lloyds?
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue
December 12, 2009, 02:54:51 PM
Quote from: "Nathalia"
The tone of Michael's skin will have made a large contrast to the skin beneath his nails, as the vitiligo doesn't affect that area. I hope I have made sense..

Yes you made sense, but it's more than just a contrast if you look at photos.. there's something going on with that, more than just a darker color, from skin tone. I made a thread about his hands/nails on the old forum, with photos, but I can't access it now. Maybe it would've helped.
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue
December 12, 2009, 03:13:50 PM
Quote from: "Nathalia"
The bracelet that Michael wore in the above picture can also be for allergies (I have one myself)
but I would like to add that individuals born with darker skin, generally have darker fingernails, my 15 year old brother has dark nails and he is a picture of health. The tone of Michael's skin will have made a large contrast to the skin beneath his nails, as the vitiligo doesn't affect that area. I hope I have made sense..

The use of bleaching creams that contain hydroquinone can cause enzymatic changes in the nail bed. When under the nail bed hydroqunione is oxidised and the products cause this area to become hyperpigmented - discoloration worsens with exposure to light. It is likey that Michael may have used a hydroquinone based cream as part of the treatment of his vertiligo.

It is true that the nail bed of darker skinned individuals maybe more pigmented than those with lighter skin. My nail beds are not pigmented and I am of African origin - it's  something that clearly differs from person to person.
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue
December 12, 2009, 03:54:40 PM
Quote from: "Freeze Frame"
Quote from: "Alem (Thetruth)"
Quote from: "Harleyblonde"
I just wonder if he really was so unhealthy how he passed the 5 hour medical for the concert?

To be honest it would not matter to them wheter Michael was healty or not, as long as he offically passed the test but we have no idea of how legit it is. They are first thinking about the profit and money then other things. So passing the test is fixable...

Are you talking about AEG or Lloyds?
Im talking about the medical test he had to endure to be able to do the 50 concerts, so AEG.
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue
December 12, 2009, 03:55:31 PM
Quote from: "the_gloved_one"
Quote from: "Nathalia"
The bracelet that Michael wore in the above picture can also be for allergies (I have one myself)
but I would like to add that individuals born with darker skin, generally have darker fingernails, my 15 year old brother has dark nails and he is a picture of health. The tone of Michael's skin will have made a large contrast to the skin beneath his nails, as the vitiligo doesn't affect that area. I hope I have made sense..

The use of bleaching creams that contain hydroquinone can cause enzymatic changes in the nail bed. When under the nail bed hydroqunione is oxidised and the products cause this area to become hyperpigmented - discoloration worsens with exposure to light. It is likey that Michael may have used a hydroquinone based cream as part of the treatment of his vertiligo.

It is true that the nail bed of darker skinned individuals maybe more pigmented than those with lighter skin. My nail beds are not pigmented and I am of African origin - it's  something that clearly differs from person to person.

Thanks for this post, it is quite informative. Im sure that his use of these products is highly likely (I recognize the names from an old thread on mjkit) so this makes sense.
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue
December 12, 2009, 04:06:58 PM
This is a similar thread, it mentions the effects of Lupus in regard to the darkening of nails:
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue
December 12, 2009, 04:17:12 PM
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sometimes back media spread a rumour that mj is getting blind in one eye bla bla but while recalling some of the list  of medicine and procedure dr arnold clamied to  run on mj just befrre the release of tii , includes a drug LATANOPLAST ??? its for a eye condition called GLUCOMA when patients complaints of blurring of vision , so there was some truth to rumor , but why would dr arnold prescribe to mj when he is not an eye specialist ??? i dont know

  his skin cancers skin discoloration has already been discussed in a post but  while browsing the net i found 6 causes leading to brwon nails my next to door neighbors is suffering from vitiligo and diabetes  and her nails are also brown but not as dark as mj if  he had skin cancer then its possible to predict his death in 6 months , and who knows if he actually called his children to made up his mind to be stronger ... who knows??

 3. jermain in lkl himself said he has never observed any odd behaviour  denying to know anything about mj taking any drugs but in his recent interview with jackson he said there is no guit of not doing to help him ( i dont remember exact words)
Latanoprost is also popular now to grow thicker, darker eyelashes. That is probably why Dr. Klein prescribed it. You don't put it in your eye, it goes along your lash line.
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue
December 12, 2009, 04:22:16 PM
Dr. Klein admitted this in his interview.  It was used to grow the lashes.
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Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

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Still Rocking my World…
   and leaving me Speechless!

“True goodbyes are the ones never said

Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue
December 12, 2009, 06:29:29 PM
Quote from: "Alem (Thetruth)"
Quote from: "Freeze Frame"

Are you talking about AEG or Lloyds?
Im talking about the medical test he had to endure to be able to do the 50 concerts, so AEG.

AEG did not require the physical exam; Lloyds of London, the insurance company, did. They are 2 separate entities. AEG did not need to "fix" a medical exam. They stated numerous times (long before June) that they would insure the concerts themselves if MJ did not pass the physical, so there was no need for them to fix anything.

Lloyds of London required the physical to insure the first group of concerts (only a set number of shows, like 17 or something--all this info is verifiable through legitimate news sources on the web, dating back months before June). And they hired the doctor who performed the physical.  Then MJ was to have another physical exam in London to verify that he was still in good health, in order to get the remainder of the concerts insured. Whether or not the concerts were ever going to happen (I believe they were, at least initially), the Insurance company would NOT be involved in the hoax, because that is FRAUD. I see no reason for MJ to risk that; and I certainly do not think an insurance company that big would risk it either. And there would be more than one insurance company involved, because Lloyds has several smaller insurance companies underneath it, and one ore more of those were the ones providing the actual tour insurance.  It would make no sense at all for all those insurance companies to be involved in a hoax. So MJ would have to have had the physical, which he passed. That is all AEG was ever told, because they are not legally entitled to see any of his medical records.
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue
December 13, 2009, 07:03:03 AM
Quote from: "shasta2001"
Latanoprost is also popular now to grow thicker, darker eyelashes. That is probably why Dr. Klein prescribed it. You don't put it in your eye, it goes along your lash line.

You're thinking of Latisse, which was also found in his room.  Latanaprost is used for glaucoma.  

The original post is very good, and more of what I think we should be focusing on.
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Re: in between lies some truth mj health issue
December 13, 2009, 04:06:33 PM
you are probably mistaken its LATISSE  not LATANOPROST its a PROSTAGLANDIN ANALOGUE to reduce the pressure with in the eye , called intra ocular pressure  to nourishes our eye lens.iris and cornea ( all structures within eye) and to keep in with in our bony socket by maintaining its globular shape , but due to any mechanism increasing its production or obstruct its drainage an eye condition called GLUCOMA occurs
            i was just  wanted to  keep you inform for your interes t, and opthamologist / eye specialist  diagnose and treat the condition why dermatologist ??? or its just that when it comes to micheal everyone is bending the rules what i see

   a cardiologist infusing what anesthetics does
    a dermatologist treating what opthamologist treats  ,,, frustrating
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