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Re: MJ's Billie Jean vs "MJ's" Billie Jean
August 06, 2010, 01:15:11 PM
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One is a liddle off, Mike never changed Billie Jean and he wasn't 'too old'. So what's this MJ's excuse?


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Souza! You absolutely right! It's not just a little off. There is a big difference in the way he moves. MJ always rehearsed as though it was the actual performance to perfect any error. He was barely moving in TII and he did none of his signature moves for Billie Jean. I guess his father was right all along about TII having lots of doubles. Perhaps! that's why alot of the Jackson Family didn't attend the premeire. Great catch sweetie! Thanks for the post! Keep the Faith!

if it's impersonator dont  you think he would do those Billie Jean moves...? to fool us?  :?  :roll:

No, because it is MEANT for the fans to see...

yea... you right about this...    my head hurts...    
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Re: MJ's Billie Jean vs "MJ's" Billie Jean
August 06, 2010, 02:09:42 PM
Quote from: "~Souza~"

One is a liddle off, Mike never changed Billie Jean and he wasn't 'too old'. So what's this MJ's excuse?


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........In a way, what we consciously see is all there is to see, but all there is to see is much more than what we see. What do we perceive on a subconscious level that we do not see on a conscious level? Since we can perceive more with an attentive expectation mind set, is attentiveness consciousness? People are immersed in subliminal stimuli all day long. Many sounds, smells and visual input occur without conscious acknowledgement, but are nevertheless subconsciously recorded. Human beings sense, perceive and react to a lot of consciously undetected stimuli. Ultrasonics, infrasonics, radar, microwaves and various forms of radiation can produce bodily reactions without conscious awareness, so obviously there are various levels of awareness within human beings. Even while asleep or with certain brain areas anesthetized, other brain areas can perceive certain things and cause the body to respond to stimuli.


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Part of The Plan was to deceive us into thinking Michael was sick, frail, on drugs, dieing, so this performance in TII was ALL part of that plan.

The families comments about doubles are Part of The Plan to plant subliminal messages for us to continue to think Michael was sick, frail, on drugs, dieing, and that doubles were used in TII.

IMO Michael was "acting" strangely for the purpose of "Illusion".

This was Michael in TII performance of Billie Jean.
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Re: MJ's Billie Jean vs "MJ's" Billie Jean
August 06, 2010, 02:37:39 PM
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Part of The Plan was to deceive us into thinking Michael was sick, frail, on drugs, dieing, so this performance in TII was ALL part of that plan.

The families comments about doubles are Part of The Plan to plant subliminal messages for us to continue to think Michael was sick, frail, on drugs, dieing, and that doubles were used in TII.

IMO Michael was "acting" strangely for the purpose of "Illusion".

This was Michael in TII performance of Billie Jean.
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I hope you are right... my heart tells me it's Michael..  but eyes see man acting strange, not like our Michael..   so I really hope you are right.. :roll:
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Re: MJ's Billie Jean vs "MJ's" Billie Jean
August 06, 2010, 02:38:45 PM
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One is a liddle off, Mike never changed Billie Jean and he wasn't 'too old'. So what's this MJ's excuse?


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Are We Already Learning In A Subliminal Way?
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........In a way, what we consciously see is all there is to see, but all there is to see is much more than what we see. What do we perceive on a subconscious level that we do not see on a conscious level? Since we can perceive more with an attentive expectation mind set, is attentiveness consciousness? People are immersed in subliminal stimuli all day long. Many sounds, smells and visual input occur without conscious acknowledgement, but are nevertheless subconsciously recorded. Human beings sense, perceive and react to a lot of consciously undetected stimuli. Ultrasonics, infrasonics, radar, microwaves and various forms of radiation can produce bodily reactions without conscious awareness, so obviously there are various levels of awareness within human beings. Even while asleep or with certain brain areas anesthetized, other brain areas can perceive certain things and cause the body to respond to stimuli.


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Subliminal Messages: Deceiving the Mind
By Autumn C. Koerbel,
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Although you might not realize it, subliminal messages are probably being used on you. Used mainly as advertising tools, such messages are designed to be relayed without their targets ever being conscious of them.

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Part of The Plan was to deceive us into thinking Michael was sick, frail, on drugs, dieing, so this performance in TII was ALL part of that plan.

The families comments about doubles are Part of The Plan to plant subliminal messages for us to continue to think Michael was sick, frail, on drugs, dieing, and that doubles were used in TII.

IMO Michael was "acting" strangely for the purpose of "Illusion".

This was Michael in TII performance of Billie Jean.
Peace

I agree with you, Im_convincedmjalive. This really isn't about an actual "physical" double and a broadening of perspectives is required here; opening one's mind to ideas and possibilities and looking for a deeper meaning not just a "literal" one. So much of this adventure has been in alternate meanings to things than we see at first glance, for instance the DOTS of TMZ articles. It isn't what we first perceive it to be, there is something deeper there if you just take a closer look. The same is for the "Doubles, it isn't meant to be a physical double but something much more relevant to our perceptions of the world around us. We really are being directed to philosophical theories and how psychological principals are being used in all forms of media etc to manipulate our perceptions.
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Re: MJ's Billie Jean vs "MJ's" Billie Jean
August 06, 2010, 02:49:38 PM
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One is a liddle off, Mike never changed Billie Jean and he wasn't 'too old'. So what's this MJ's excuse?


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........In a way, what we consciously see is all there is to see, but all there is to see is much more than what we see. What do we perceive on a subconscious level that we do not see on a conscious level? Since we can perceive more with an attentive expectation mind set, is attentiveness consciousness? People are immersed in subliminal stimuli all day long. Many sounds, smells and visual input occur without conscious acknowledgement, but are nevertheless subconsciously recorded. Human beings sense, perceive and react to a lot of consciously undetected stimuli. Ultrasonics, infrasonics, radar, microwaves and various forms of radiation can produce bodily reactions without conscious awareness, so obviously there are various levels of awareness within human beings. Even while asleep or with certain brain areas anesthetized, other brain areas can perceive certain things and cause the body to respond to stimuli.


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Subliminal Messages: Deceiving the Mind
By Autumn C. Koerbel,
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Although you might not realize it, subliminal messages are probably being used on you. Used mainly as advertising tools, such messages are designed to be relayed without their targets ever being conscious of them.

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Part of The Plan was to deceive us into thinking Michael was sick, frail, on drugs, dieing, so this performance in TII was ALL part of that plan.

The families comments about doubles are Part of The Plan to plant subliminal messages for us to continue to think Michael was sick, frail, on drugs, dieing, and that doubles were used in TII.

IMO Michael was "acting" strangely for the purpose of "Illusion".

This was Michael in TII performance of Billie Jean.
Peace

I agree with you, Im_convincedmjalive. This really isn't about an actual "physical" double and a broadening of perspectives is required here; opening one's mind to ideas and possibilities and looking for a deeper meaning not just a "literal" one. So much of this adventure has been in alternate meanings to things than we see at first glance, for instance the DOTS of TMZ articles. It isn't what we first perceive it to be, there is something deeper there if you just take a closer look. The same is for the "Doubles, it isn't meant to be a physical double but something much more relevant to our perceptions of the world around us. We really are being directed to philosophical theories and how psychological principals are being used in all forms of media etc to manipulate our perceptions.

Oh and that explains the changes in height, shape, ears and facial structure...?  Leave alone all the photo comparisons and morphs that don't match.  But okay, never mind, let's just say we agree to disagree.
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Re: MJ's Billie Jean vs "MJ's" Billie Jean
August 06, 2010, 03:09:30 PM
Quote from: "*Mo*"
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Quote from: "Im_convincedmjalive"
Quote from: "~Souza~"

One is a liddle off, Mike never changed Billie Jean and he wasn't 'too old'. So what's this MJ's excuse?


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........In a way, what we consciously see is all there is to see, but all there is to see is much more than what we see. What do we perceive on a subconscious level that we do not see on a conscious level? Since we can perceive more with an attentive expectation mind set, is attentiveness consciousness? People are immersed in subliminal stimuli all day long. Many sounds, smells and visual input occur without conscious acknowledgement, but are nevertheless subconsciously recorded. Human beings sense, perceive and react to a lot of consciously undetected stimuli. Ultrasonics, infrasonics, radar, microwaves and various forms of radiation can produce bodily reactions without conscious awareness, so obviously there are various levels of awareness within human beings. Even while asleep or with certain brain areas anesthetized, other brain areas can perceive certain things and cause the body to respond to stimuli.


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Subliminal Messages: Deceiving the Mind
By Autumn C. Koerbel,
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Although you might not realize it, subliminal messages are probably being used on you. Used mainly as advertising tools, such messages are designed to be relayed without their targets ever being conscious of them.

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Part of The Plan was to deceive us into thinking Michael was sick, frail, on drugs, dieing, so this performance in TII was ALL part of that plan.

The families comments about doubles are Part of The Plan to plant subliminal messages for us to continue to think Michael was sick, frail, on drugs, dieing, and that doubles were used in TII.

IMO Michael was "acting" strangely for the purpose of "Illusion".

This was Michael in TII performance of Billie Jean.
Peace

I agree with you, Im_convincedmjalive. This really isn't about an actual "physical" double and a broadening of perspectives is required here; opening one's mind to ideas and possibilities and looking for a deeper meaning not just a "literal" one. So much of this adventure has been in alternate meanings to things than we see at first glance, for instance the DOTS of TMZ articles. It isn't what we first perceive it to be, there is something deeper there if you just take a closer look. The same is for the "Doubles, it isn't meant to be a physical double but something much more relevant to our perceptions of the world around us. We really are being directed to philosophical theories and how psychological principals are being used in all forms of media etc to manipulate our perceptions.

Oh and that explains the changes in height, shape, ears and facial structure...?  Leave alone all the photo comparisons and morphs that don't match.  But okay, never mind, let's just say we agree to disagree.

But that is just your opinion, I don't agree that there are these major differences at all. The "doubles theory" is simply a theory not a fact, as is my theory. Neither is anymore valid than the other. Just because you believe the "doubles theory" and I don't isn't any reason to post a contemptuous reply. I haven't been disrespectful at all. It is possible that we are both wrong and it is completely something else. Because you believe the "doubles theory", you may be seeing things to validate that for you, just as I may be seeing things that validate what I perceive. In the end it is all just theories and speculation.
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Re: MJ's Billie Jean vs "MJ's" Billie Jean
August 06, 2010, 03:45:28 PM
I'm sure I'm not the only one who went to see TII to see MJ do his iconic Billie Jean performance one last time and upon seeing it wondering "what was that?", maybe it was Michael doing it but is was so different from the way he has always done it it left me very confused.
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Re: MJ's Billie Jean vs "MJ's" Billie Jean
August 06, 2010, 05:10:42 PM
Quote from: "*Mo*"
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Quote from: "Im_convincedmjalive"
Quote from: "~Souza~"

One is a liddle off, Mike never changed Billie Jean and he wasn't 'too old'. So what's this MJ's excuse?


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.....by Melvin D. Saunders

........In a way, what we consciously see is all there is to see, but all there is to see is much more than what we see. What do we perceive on a subconscious level that we do not see on a conscious level? Since we can perceive more with an attentive expectation mind set, is attentiveness consciousness? People are immersed in subliminal stimuli all day long. Many sounds, smells and visual input occur without conscious acknowledgement, but are nevertheless subconsciously recorded. Human beings sense, perceive and react to a lot of consciously undetected stimuli. Ultrasonics, infrasonics, radar, microwaves and various forms of radiation can produce bodily reactions without conscious awareness, so obviously there are various levels of awareness within human beings. Even while asleep or with certain brain areas anesthetized, other brain areas can perceive certain things and cause the body to respond to stimuli.


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Subliminal Messages: Deceiving the Mind
By Autumn C. Koerbel,
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Although you might not realize it, subliminal messages are probably being used on you. Used mainly as advertising tools, such messages are designed to be relayed without their targets ever being conscious of them.

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Part of The Plan was to deceive us into thinking Michael was sick, frail, on drugs, dieing, so this performance in TII was ALL part of that plan.

The families comments about doubles are Part of The Plan to plant subliminal messages for us to continue to think Michael was sick, frail, on drugs, dieing, and that doubles were used in TII.

IMO Michael was "acting" strangely for the purpose of "Illusion".

This was Michael in TII performance of Billie Jean.
Peace

I agree with you, Im_convincedmjalive. This really isn't about an actual "physical" double and a broadening of perspectives is required here; opening one's mind to ideas and possibilities and looking for a deeper meaning not just a "literal" one. So much of this adventure has been in alternate meanings to things than we see at first glance, for instance the DOTS of TMZ articles. It isn't what we first perceive it to be, there is something deeper there if you just take a closer look. The same is for the "Doubles, it isn't meant to be a physical double but something much more relevant to our perceptions of the world around us. We really are being directed to philosophical theories and how psychological principals are being used in all forms of media etc to manipulate our perceptions.

Oh and that explains the changes in height, shape, ears and facial structure...?  Leave alone all the photo comparisons and morphs that don't match.  But okay, never mind, let's just say we agree to disagree.


I personally CAN NOT explain all those other oddities.
I was only speaking on this performance of Billie Jean.

Maybe ALL the other stuff was Magic and Illusions  ;)  
He did hang out with The Best Magicians and Illusionists I have seen: Criss Angel and David Blaine.  8-)

Both of their works amazes me and baffles my mind.  :shock:  :?
If Michael studies Greats, then I am thinking he studied them and applied what he learned in his own life.

Food for thought.
Peace
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Re: MJ's Billie Jean vs "MJ's" Billie Jean
August 06, 2010, 05:14:14 PM
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Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"
Quote from: "Im_convincedmjalive"
Quote from: "~Souza~"

One is a liddle off, Mike never changed Billie Jean and he wasn't 'too old'. So what's this MJ's excuse?


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Are We Already Learning In A Subliminal Way?
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........In a way, what we consciously see is all there is to see, but all there is to see is much more than what we see. What do we perceive on a subconscious level that we do not see on a conscious level? Since we can perceive more with an attentive expectation mind set, is attentiveness consciousness? People are immersed in subliminal stimuli all day long. Many sounds, smells and visual input occur without conscious acknowledgement, but are nevertheless subconsciously recorded. Human beings sense, perceive and react to a lot of consciously undetected stimuli. Ultrasonics, infrasonics, radar, microwaves and various forms of radiation can produce bodily reactions without conscious awareness, so obviously there are various levels of awareness within human beings. Even while asleep or with certain brain areas anesthetized, other brain areas can perceive certain things and cause the body to respond to stimuli.


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Subliminal Messages: Deceiving the Mind
By Autumn C. Koerbel,
Special Feature, AskMen.com

Although you might not realize it, subliminal messages are probably being used on you. Used mainly as advertising tools, such messages are designed to be relayed without their targets ever being conscious of them.

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Part of The Plan was to deceive us into thinking Michael was sick, frail, on drugs, dieing, so this performance in TII was ALL part of that plan.

The families comments about doubles are Part of The Plan to plant subliminal messages for us to continue to think Michael was sick, frail, on drugs, dieing, and that doubles were used in TII.

IMO Michael was "acting" strangely for the purpose of "Illusion".

This was Michael in TII performance of Billie Jean.
Peace

I agree with you, Im_convincedmjalive. This really isn't about an actual "physical" double and a broadening of perspectives is required here; opening one's mind to ideas and possibilities and looking for a deeper meaning not just a "literal" one. So much of this adventure has been in alternate meanings to things than we see at first glance, for instance the DOTS of TMZ articles. It isn't what we first perceive it to be, there is something deeper there if you just take a closer look. The same is for the "Doubles, it isn't meant to be a physical double but something much more relevant to our perceptions of the world around us. We really are being directed to philosophical theories and how psychological principals are being used in all forms of media etc to manipulate our perceptions.

Oh and that explains the changes in height, shape, ears and facial structure...?  Leave alone all the photo comparisons and morphs that don't match.  But okay, never mind, let's just say we agree to disagree.

But that is just your opinion, I don't agree that there are these major differences at all. The "doubles theory" is simply a theory not a fact, as is my theory. Neither is anymore valid than the other. Just because you believe the "doubles theory" and I don't isn't any reason to post a contemptuous reply. I haven't been disrespectful at all. It is possible that we are both wrong and it is completely something else. Because you believe the "doubles theory", you may be seeing things to validate that for you, just as I may be seeing things that validate what I perceive. In the end it is all just theories and speculation.

Mo! I have to agree with you 100%! I just wonder why is it so difficult for some people to believe that there were doubles inTII? MJ's own father Joe Jackson said there were lots of doubles in the movie. Joe isn't as off as some people may want to believe. MJ didn't want to do more than 10 shows anyway. AEG was behind the change and we all know that MJ never allowed big industry to push him around. I believe that could be one of the reasons he left and went into hiding. There is more corruption in the music industry than any of us can imagine. When you back out of contracts that's messing with folks money. It's no telling who MJ pissed off so bad that wanted to take him out? Thank God he had a plan already in place. Mo, I like your post! They are always on point and allows us to look from a different perspective. The problem is most people just don't want to see it. Thanks for this great topic! Keep the Faith!  :)
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Re: MJ's Billie Jean vs "MJ's" Billie Jean
August 06, 2010, 06:38:18 PM
The funny thing about Billie Jean in This Is It is the fact "he" starts with the wrong leg @ 0:15 in this video.

As you can see he switches quick after "he" noticed "he" started with the wrong leg in front.

I think it´s an impersonator since Michael Jackson wouldn´t make such simple mistakes like this.

There are many impersonators who are left handed/footed too.

[youtube:moj5pen0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56dvrE3hxX8[/youtube:moj5pen0]
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Re: MJ's Billie Jean vs "MJ's" Billie Jean
August 06, 2010, 08:01:47 PM
i know this is off topic but i'm getting old and have to ask while i'm thinking of it. light man. someone found sunflowers on the lightman panels. has anyone looked to see what else is there?
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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Re: MJ's Billie Jean vs "MJ's" Billie Jean
August 07, 2010, 12:14:07 PM
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i know this is off topic but i'm getting old and have to ask while i'm thinking of it. light man. someone found sunflowers on the lightman panels. has anyone looked to see what else is there?

I dont see sunflowers in the light man..  :?    but I saw sunflowers in one photo form TII...  
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Re: MJ's Billie Jean vs "MJ's" Billie Jean
August 07, 2010, 12:19:20 PM
The sunflowers are really on the light man in TII ;)
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God is quiet.... Because people accomplished a severe sin - in God doubted.....God punished with LOVE all, that we to learn to BELIVE being in torments...

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Re: MJ's Billie Jean vs "MJ's" Billie Jean
August 07, 2010, 12:27:35 PM
Quote from: "whisper9396"
The sunflowers are really on the light man in TII ;)

where???    my brother deleted film :evil:  and I can't watch it ..  :?  i  have to download again..  :roll:
and I'm sure he will delete it again.. :lol:
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Nothing good ever comes easy      
All good things come in due time                
Yes it does      
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I\'m telling you to open your mind
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Re: MJ's Billie Jean vs "MJ's" Billie Jean
August 07, 2010, 12:47:09 PM
Discover The Man You Never Knew...This Is It...
So...You all think you know who Michael Jackson is?
I don't...but I really want to...... ;)
Chappie
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