TIAI July 20

[Hazzely]

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To TS:

I'm sorry TS you're creating chaos here, whoever you are you took this too far, just focus on Michael, most of us don't support Elvis's theory.
Could YOU tell us why do you want the media to take notice about elvisandmj.com? How will that HELP MICHAEL? If you want the people (who are against this) to believe in you again then I think you should come up with some arguments supporting THIS and explain WHY.

I'm sure what they meant by that is that the media should know fans love Michael and they support him no matter what, but this doesn't mean Jacksons support the Elvisandmjcom thing! They could easily mean that fans are ready to protest and seek justice at the hearings, for instance...Make me (and the rest) believe you are right. How can we trust you when you come up with this? Do you imagine how this could hurt Michael? We must think before making this step, not rush.
I'm sorry why do you insist so much on this without even telling us WHY and how will this help MICHAEL. It is not proven Elvis is alive, everything is just speculated, so they are going to make fun of us and Michael again.
Why don't you redirect to something else, why do you focus so much on Elvis?

I'm totally against it! It is surreal.
Don't count on me..

This is just my opinion, I hope you won't jump at me.

[suspicious mind]

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at 6:28 the interviewer ask joe espesito what elvis would think about the choices lisa  has made.

[sk2001]

Thankyou for taking a stand here for those who felt uncomfortable but couldn't say much as everyone has their right to have a voice. But this is more to TS than people here who follow him here.
It was beginning to look like whoevers behind TS was using us to bring their point to the public and I totally agree with the above poster that this will just make people laugh at us or even MJ (more importantly) more.. Why not take these topics to Elvis fan sites instead.
So thank you and again no offenceto people who believe TS.

[mjj4ever777]

I would like to ask this again of the people who are opposed to going to the media...What do you believe is the reason we are here on this hoax site for? What is our purpose? We have all ready figured out that Michael hoaxed his death, so if we aren't suppose to make the public aware, then what is it you are hoping to accomplish being here? Really, I would like to know your opinions...I'm not bashing anyone who disagrees with going to the media, I am honestly interested in knowing what it is you hope to accomplish here? Why is there an "army of Love? if not to let Michael know that we understand his message and if not to help spread awareness to others so that when he does return, Michael knows that we are here to back him in his fight? I just don't understand..sorry, please enlighten me. Thank you!

[Hazzely]

I would like to ask this again of the people who are opposed to going to the media...What do you believe is the reason we are here on this hoax site for? What is our purpose? We have all ready figured out that Michael hoaxed his death, so if we aren't suppose to make the public aware, then what is it you are hoping to accomplish being here? Really, I would like to know your opinions...I'm not bashing anyone who disagrees with going to the media, I am honestly interested in knowing what it is you hope to accomplish here? Why is there an "army of Love? if not to let Michael know that we understand his message and if not to help spread awareness to others so that when he does return, Michael knows that we are here to back him in his fight? I just don't understand..sorry, please enlighten me. Thank you!

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You can check my posts (and the rest of the post people who don't support the elvisandmj.com thing wrote) and you will have the answer

[sk2001]

I think you misunderstood this. We aren't against going to the media, we are just not agreeing to supporting Elvis hoax on this site. Yes there are similarities but someone plz tell me' if Elvis is alive has been proOven officially as if its out that this Jesse guy is him indeed. Since so far it's just speculations, why on earth would we use that as a reference to make people believe MJ- who was ridiculed through out His life is still alive??!!
And then we wonder why no one takes us seriously or why people still mock  our Mj. TheseElvis people who have suddenly found interest in the mj forum should be doing this in the so many existing forums. I personally joined his site coz I am interested in mj.
Again this is more directed to TS not the fello believers who read him

I would like to ask this again of the people who are opposed to going to the media...What do you believe is the reason we are here on this hoax site for? What is our purpose? We have all ready figured out that Michael hoaxed his death, so if we aren't suppose to make the public aware, then what is it you are hoping to accomplish being here? Really, I would like to know your opinions...I'm not bashing anyone who disagrees with going to the media, I am honestly interested in knowing what it is you hope to accomplish here? Why is there an "army of Love? if not to let Michael know that we understand his message and if not to help spread awareness to others so that when he does return, Michael knows that we are here to back him in his fight? I just don't understand..sorry, please enlighten me. Thank you!

[PJ4MJ]

When I saw the redirect to Jermaine's tweet about the Army of Love, I didn't think of ElvisandMJ because, frankly, one does not equal the other. There have been a few active threads lately bashing Jermaine pretty badly. I thought maybe the message was a reminder to everyone that he is part of all of this in support of Michael, so we should cut him a little slack and not be so quick to judge.

My thoughts on ElvisandMJ here:  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

[JukeBox]

hey guys, firstly i'm not one to jump at anyone's throat whether you agree or disagree about the media thing. i totally understand that anyone against it is cautious and doing it out of love for Michael's safety and reputation. we all HATE how the media tried to tear him down in the past.

yet this time TS and the family (as redirected today to the AllJack5ons tweet) are suggesting we GO to the media. do you think, for a moment, that TS or any of the family would try to do something to harm Michael? or do you think Michael would not have a backup plan if things went wrong? If this is the direction we're being pushed towards, then I have faith that it is exactly part of Michael's plan in the hoax. If we're not doing it, we could be hindering the hoax and slow down the process of his return.

there's no clear or concrete way of the family or Michael approving of this move, just like how they CANNOT openly say that Michael is still alive, at this point. The tweet that TS has redirected to, to me, is clear enough affirmation from the family.

What we're presenting to the media are pure FACTS, and not our own opinions. let's see how much the media can twist hard, concrete facts. any responsible media, which are the ones we are targetting (NOT TABLOIDS AT ALL), would check and verify the facts we're presenting then decide whether to publish it. if they do, great, because important information is being disseminated.

as for the questions about why the focus on Elvis is so important... I don't know the reason why exactly, it could be as what others have pointed out, that Elvis being alive makes it easier for people to believe that MJ is alive; Elvis and MJ being BOTH alive have a greater BAM impact, literally getting the world's focus on why they would do it hence easier to spread MJ's message? How i reasoned this is... MJ SHOWED that Elvis is important... why else would he marry (or convinced the public that he married) Lisa-Marie Presley?

i really hope we stand in unity in this issue...
love you guys. <3

[bleu eyes]

maybe its a stupid question, but why is michael face not behind the jackson twitter page anymore?

[curls]

Maybe the time has come for those in favour of going to the media to get organised and do so, and those against it to just let it be. We seem to be going round and round the same circles every day. No one has to do anything they are not comfortable with.

And I personally don't think anything we do can hurt MJ - he's dead remember, to most of the world.

[chappie]

maybe its a stupid question, but why is michael face not behind the jackson twitter page anymore?

He is there.....

Chaps

[Puff]

I agree.... we are going in circle.....
The media already know about this website, it's pubblic everybody can visist it. Don't you think they don't come in here almost everyday? We are talking about Michael Jackson, not about my neighbour.
I think, before he planned to hoax his death, Michael considered the possibility that the media will attack him. Our ' mission' is to protect him, but how can we protect him if we don't show THEM WHY, HOW, WHEN he hoaxed his death?
We are an army of love, we signed up to protect and join him.
The Elvis stuff is an important step in this process.. Step by step the world will know the truth, but we have to use the media for that.

[Hazzely]

Maybe the time has come for those in favour of going to the media to get organised and do so, and those against it to just let it be. We seem to be going round and round the same circles every day. No one has to do anything they are not comfortable with.

And I personally don't think anything we do can hurt MJ - he's dead remember, to most of the world.

Exactly. He is supposed to be dead so why do you want to go to the media? This is his hoax not our..
Since when TS's posts and redirects are sacred?

And to be honest I think we all participated in this forum so every and each opinion has to be taken in consideration, you can't just be like "ok screw what others think we're the only ones who got it right and we have to do it our way"

Why do we have to be ignored? There're a lot of people against it..
There's a reason for such opposition to this plan.
And not just because we're thinking for ourselves. This is telling some of us, deep down, that this isn't the right way to go about it.
There's something..Rash and illogical about it that I do not particularly like.


This really has to stop, we have to find a solution, we can't allow this division on the forum..
Peace,

[curls]

Maybe the time has come for those in favour of going to the media to get organised and do so, and those against it to just let it be. We seem to be going round and round the same circles every day. No one has to do anything they are not comfortable with.

And I personally don't think anything we do can hurt MJ - he's dead remember, to most of the world.

Exactly. He is supposed to be dead so why do you want to go to the media? This is his hoax not our..
Since when TS's posts and redirects are sacred?

And to be honest I think we all participated in this forum so every and each opinion has to be taken in consideration, you can't just be like "ok screw what others think we're the only ones who got it right and we have to do it our way"

Why do we have to be ignored? There're a lot of people against it..
There's a reason for such opposition to this plan.
And not just because we're thinking for ourselves. This is telling some of us, deep down, that this isn't the right way to go about it.
There's something..Rash and illogical about it that I do not particularly like.


This really has to stop, we have to find a solution, we can't allow this division on the forum..
Peace,

Hazzely, I know you're really bothered by all this. I have some reservations too. But can I just ask you a couple of questions?

Firstly, do you believe MJ is aware of our conversations?  If not, then I understand your concern more, but if you do, then do you think he would allow us to go in a direction that was not in keeping with his plan?

Secondly, how have you viewed TS in the past?  You say his posts/redirects are not 'sacred' but I wonder have you never have any confidence in them or is it only with recent events that you've become unsure?

I want to find a solution to this as well, but I'm trying not to view the difference of opinion as 'division'. It's only that way if we allow it to be. I certainly do not have the attitude of 'screw what the others think', but we seem to have reached stalemate (to go back to the chess analogy) and I don't know how we move forward and keep everyone happy.

Peace back to you.

[Hazzely]

Maybe the time has come for those in favour of going to the media to get organised and do so, and those against it to just let it be. We seem to be going round and round the same circles every day. No one has to do anything they are not comfortable with.

And I personally don't think anything we do can hurt MJ - he's dead remember, to most of the world.

Exactly. He is supposed to be dead so why do you want to go to the media? This is his hoax not our..
Since when TS's posts and redirects are sacred?

And to be honest I think we all participated in this forum so every and each opinion has to be taken in consideration, you can't just be like "ok screw what others think we're the only ones who got it right and we have to do it our way"

Why do we have to be ignored? There're a lot of people against it..
There's a reason for such opposition to this plan.
And not just because we're thinking for ourselves. This is telling some of us, deep down, that this isn't the right way to go about it.
There's something..Rash and illogical about it that I do not particularly like.


This really has to stop, we have to find a solution, we can't allow this division on the forum..
Peace,

Hazzely, I know you're really bothered by all this. I have some reservations too. But can I just ask you a couple of questions?

Firstly, do you believe MJ is aware of our conversations?  If not, then I understand your concern more, but if you do, then do you think he would allow us to go in a direction that was not in keeping with his plan?

Secondly, how have you viewed TS in the past?  You say his posts/redirects are not 'sacred' but I wonder have you never have any confidence in them or is it only with recent events that you've become unsure?

I want to find a solution to this as well, but I'm trying not to view the difference of opinion as 'division'. It's only that way if we allow it to be. I certainly do not have the attitude of 'screw what the others think', but we seem to have reached stalemate (to go back to the chess analogy) and I don't know how we move forward and keep everyone happy.

Peace back to you.

No I don't believe Michael is aware of our conversations, that's why I don't think this is the right way to go about it, I will never believe he wanted us to go the media with this story unless I hear that from him. They are his enemies

I always thought he was a very good investigator but that doesn't mean I followed him blindly. There's a time when we have to think for ourselves and if I believe that could hurt Michael I will never support it..This can't be good for him..so to make it short yes I'm starting to lose the little faith I had in TS..I think he is focusing on irrelevant things..How did we go from Michael to Elvis? That's not the reason why I decided to be here
You can always check my posts in the "Making the media aware of ElvisAndMJ.com" thread: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

I didn't sleep tonight so pardon me if I don't elaborate more on this..my brain is tired, plus I wouldn't want to repeat myself again..it would be annoying (for everyone)

Peace&Love back to you too