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ok, I watched the video ... :roll: Guys, are you serious?Sorry, but I have to reply...I'm a quiet and patient person, but I can't tolerate those kind of accusations.Love has a meaning, it's not just a simple word, MJ related or not. How can you talk about it if you are the first ones bashing others ? Oh, come on !Are you sure you know the difference between THEORIES and TRUTH ?I am on this forum since the beginning and I've never heard the admins saying : this is the truth. We are all interested in MJ's "death", we all want to find out the truth, if possible.Is it so important to be a fan or not? I am a fan myself and I can assure you I never had problems with who is not. We are all united in this crazy adventure, we all respect MJ the man. Isn't it enough ?And we have different opinions, I would be surprised if it wasn't so.I've been asked to be a mod and Souza and Mo didn't do any kind of interview to me to know if we shared exactly the same ideas before . So, are you sure there's no freedom of speech here ?Just my two cents...Peace
Quote from: "~Souza~"It has been a while since I felt the urge to post something like this, but things are getting crazy again and I think a new admin post is inevitable.A lot of you might have seen the video posted on this forum. I locked the thread, but the video is still there for all of you to see. We have nothing to hide and the video is full of untruthfulness and has the sole purpose to bash and ridicule us. It has happened before and I am sure it will happen again.I saw a comment that people want to be clarified as to who we are. Due to safety reasons we simply can't. People that have spoken to us know we are indeed Dutch, but that's all we can say about it. We don't use our own names or whereabouts because we get death threads and I can tell you (without going into detail) some stuff already happened in our personal lives that we can not explain but was highly uncomfortable to say the least. We don't have to know who you are, I hope you respect the fact that we don't want to say who we are, same goes for badkolo, who is under false names as well. It's for a good reason. The poster of the video was never banned, she asked herself if we could deactivate her after the article in The Sun, so we did. There is a lot of hate towards us on the other forum, and I don't really get why. We don't bash the others and we don't allow that here. Many people say they are banned when they are not, some people were banned because they couldn't behave, not because they had a different opinion.What is bugging me the most is that people claim we are here for our own agendas. That is simply not true. We don't earn money with this website, this website costs a lot of money. People who are familiar with owning websites know that the more traffic on your website, the higher the costs are. We don't have ads so we don't gain from that as well.We have only one agenda and that's finding out the truth about what happened to Michael Jackson. The fact that we are not fans does not mean we don't like him. We do want to know the why and not the when, and I think we have said that many times. We have our own opinion as to why he did this, and we can voice OUR opinion as well, like everyone can, as long as people stay respectful. We too are people of flesh and bones and not made of steal. We put in a lot of time to keep this forum running and I don't expect you to kiss our feet, I am only asking to respect us just a little if it's possible.About The Jacksonologist: she was demodded for the single reason that she was not active as a mod on this forum anymore, but being an active member on MJHD. That is fine, but i do hope you understand the fact that we need mods that are active here as well. Most of the time there was no mod online, that is why we decided to have new mods and demod a few others. If she feels like we spied on her, well I can't help that. I do visit MJHD sometimes as well and if you call that spying, that's fine. About TS and Elvis&MJ: We believe in TS and we trust in him, simply because no one was able to debunk his posts. We do not believe Elvis is going to bam, but the story about Elvis is very similar to Mike's death and the fact that there is evidence that Elvis is still alive, underlines the fact that Mike is still alive. You are not obligated to join in the trending Twitter Rally, you are not obligated to believe it. Everyone can make up his own mind. But the fact that we are admins, doesn't mean that we are only here to lock and delete posts, we also participate in the hoax as much as we can and we have our own beliefs.I am disgusted by the way some people think it's necessary to treat us. I do not understand why there is so much hate amongst believers and to tell you the truth, the accusations are starting to hurt. We have put so much time and effort into this website not only for us, but for you all. We could have made a blog and be done, yet we made a forum for everyone. MJHD was shut down twice and other forums didn't last long either. We wanted to make sure the info wouldn't get lost again. If you really don't like it here, if you really hate the admins with their agendas that much, I am asking you: why are you still here? No one is keeping you here. Why not go to another forum and let it rest? Why the hate? The video will stay here for you to check, but other posts like that will be deleted instantly. Not because we want to 'hide the truth' but to stop the lies about us. I don't allow videos bashing others, but I also don't allow videos bashing us and spreading hate.Maybe it's because there is not enough news now, and people are again disappointed that there hasn't been a bam yet, I don't know, but it seems we are the targets again.This post will probably be copied and pasted everywhere to make fun of, well go ahead. This is what I wanted to say and nothing more. If you want to leave, just leave, if you want to stay, stay but show some respect. If you have questions, you can always pm me. Some people do when they think something is odd and I always try to answer, if I can. You can also post questions in here, so everyone can see them and I will answer them in here. But I hope you will understand I will not answer hateful and disrespectful posts.I really hope we can all stop hating each other and set our differences aside. Dear Souza and all fellow members.Firstly I for one do certainly not hate you...Far from it..yet it has to be said that this once so lovely and pleasant forum has a completely different atmosphere now. I find it sad as it used to be a place I would come to feel better and take comfort. Now i dont like posting here because of the sarcastic remarks you are likely to recieve .Infact last week I decided to not post again but I DO FEEL THIS NEEDS TO BE SAID so here I am. Last week I had issues with one of the posts I felt one individual was being targeted and I made my feelings clear but with all honesty I do think our opinions are sometimes over rided by admin ..just recently threads are being locked constantly..even when there are valid points in the thread. I have recieved numerous emails in my inbox from fellow members expressing their feelings about the forum ..many of them agreeing that they prefer not to post because of the reaction they are likely to get. So I know I am not alone in the way I am feeling. This is not personal to Mo and Souza I am just saying what others are to scared to say. I think people have become afraid to speak up because of the negativity in here.souza I completely understand you keeping your identities secret each and everyone of us has the right to remain secret.Noone should judge you for that whatsoever. I do believe that you have done a marvelous job in bringing this website on.I also think the members have done a wonderful job too with their amazing contributions. Mo Souza I thank you for your efforts and time you put into the site too.you say "If you really don't like it here, if you really hate the admins with their agendas that much, I am asking you: why are you still here? No one is keeping you here. Why not go to another forum and let it rest? Why the hate" ..THE ANSWER TO THAT IS THIS..lets look at this from both sides I understand it from your side but think of it from our side us the members ...We are still here for 1 reason and 1 reason only and thats Michael..many of us have been here from day one ..we dont want to leave we want change we want less hate too.. many of us have posted and added alot to this forum and spent our time investigating we shouldnt have to leave it all behind.??.I think it would be unfair to say the negativity is one sided. Also me myself personally think that each and everyone of us as contributed in making this website as sucessful as it is many of us are dedicated to the investiagtion.I do think the amount of people joining the site has changed the atmosphere.You say you are disgusted? Thats exactly how I felt last week yet my opinion didnt matter the response I recieved was just pure sarcasm and following my last post I was shocked with the amount of emails i got with other members agreeing with me. I think numbers speak volumes and just the very fact that a lot of people are not happy here anymore should be telling you something. I also understand that this is a busy forum and I know you the admins do not have an easy job in here.Respect. I appreciate the work you have put in and I know you can not keep everyone happy but it would be a shame for this site to lose its credibility, simply because people feel they dont want to post. Us a members also have an important role. I dont think you asking us why we are still here is going to make us feel welcome and cherished. Its obvious why we are here and each and everyone of us should be valued including admin.I think we need to build bridges we are hot haters we are lovers we just need to start showing it again.I myself dont get the ElvisMj twitter thing but contributed for the simple fact it would be a nice thing to do for the people who do believe in it. I think we all need to give and hopefully the love will start coming backMICHAEL= L.O.V.E ..............................MAKE A CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hope this doesnt offend anyone its just my opinion LOVE TO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! glovelove xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
It has been a while since I felt the urge to post something like this, but things are getting crazy again and I think a new admin post is inevitable.A lot of you might have seen the video posted on this forum. I locked the thread, but the video is still there for all of you to see. We have nothing to hide and the video is full of untruthfulness and has the sole purpose to bash and ridicule us. It has happened before and I am sure it will happen again.I saw a comment that people want to be clarified as to who we are. Due to safety reasons we simply can't. People that have spoken to us know we are indeed Dutch, but that's all we can say about it. We don't use our own names or whereabouts because we get death threads and I can tell you (without going into detail) some stuff already happened in our personal lives that we can not explain but was highly uncomfortable to say the least. We don't have to know who you are, I hope you respect the fact that we don't want to say who we are, same goes for badkolo, who is under false names as well. It's for a good reason. The poster of the video was never banned, she asked herself if we could deactivate her after the article in The Sun, so we did. There is a lot of hate towards us on the other forum, and I don't really get why. We don't bash the others and we don't allow that here. Many people say they are banned when they are not, some people were banned because they couldn't behave, not because they had a different opinion.What is bugging me the most is that people claim we are here for our own agendas. That is simply not true. We don't earn money with this website, this website costs a lot of money. People who are familiar with owning websites know that the more traffic on your website, the higher the costs are. We don't have ads so we don't gain from that as well.We have only one agenda and that's finding out the truth about what happened to Michael Jackson. The fact that we are not fans does not mean we don't like him. We do want to know the why and not the when, and I think we have said that many times. We have our own opinion as to why he did this, and we can voice OUR opinion as well, like everyone can, as long as people stay respectful. We too are people of flesh and bones and not made of steal. We put in a lot of time to keep this forum running and I don't expect you to kiss our feet, I am only asking to respect us just a little if it's possible.About The Jacksonologist: she was demodded for the single reason that she was not active as a mod on this forum anymore, but being an active member on MJHD. That is fine, but i do hope you understand the fact that we need mods that are active here as well. Most of the time there was no mod online, that is why we decided to have new mods and demod a few others. If she feels like we spied on her, well I can't help that. I do visit MJHD sometimes as well and if you call that spying, that's fine. About TS and Elvis&MJ: We believe in TS and we trust in him, simply because no one was able to debunk his posts. We do not believe Elvis is going to bam, but the story about Elvis is very similar to Mike's death and the fact that there is evidence that Elvis is still alive, underlines the fact that Mike is still alive. You are not obligated to join in the trending Twitter Rally, you are not obligated to believe it. Everyone can make up his own mind. But the fact that we are admins, doesn't mean that we are only here to lock and delete posts, we also participate in the hoax as much as we can and we have our own beliefs.I am disgusted by the way some people think it's necessary to treat us. I do not understand why there is so much hate amongst believers and to tell you the truth, the accusations are starting to hurt. We have put so much time and effort into this website not only for us, but for you all. We could have made a blog and be done, yet we made a forum for everyone. MJHD was shut down twice and other forums didn't last long either. We wanted to make sure the info wouldn't get lost again. If you really don't like it here, if you really hate the admins with their agendas that much, I am asking you: why are you still here? No one is keeping you here. Why not go to another forum and let it rest? Why the hate? The video will stay here for you to check, but other posts like that will be deleted instantly. Not because we want to 'hide the truth' but to stop the lies about us. I don't allow videos bashing others, but I also don't allow videos bashing us and spreading hate.Maybe it's because there is not enough news now, and people are again disappointed that there hasn't been a bam yet, I don't know, but it seems we are the targets again.This post will probably be copied and pasted everywhere to make fun of, well go ahead. This is what I wanted to say and nothing more. If you want to leave, just leave, if you want to stay, stay but show some respect. If you have questions, you can always pm me. Some people do when they think something is odd and I always try to answer, if I can. You can also post questions in here, so everyone can see them and I will answer them in here. But I hope you will understand I will not answer hateful and disrespectful posts.I really hope we can all stop hating each other and set our differences aside.
Dear Souza and Mo,I am sorry you are having so many problems. You are doing a service to Michael Jackson and people who care about him and the world.I don't have much time to read the posts and keep up--it has all become very confusing.I appreciate everything you do and I think you are doing a great job. It is your forum, so I think people should abide by your rules.Having said this, could you please tell me why you think Michael Jackson did this? Thank you very much for your forum!
