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But I realize not everyone on the forum believes in TS or the hoax theory,...
So if MJ believed in numerology then that would naturally be used in decisions throughout his life. So figuring out a pattern with things he's signed or dates for major events etc would then not be that difficult to figure out if one used numerology.So here is where you lose me with the updates and the website. I've been around for a while now and I don't see the clear connection. How do we jump from numerology to a link to MJ's "death"
Secondly for that matter I have not been able to see where the clear connection comes into play that MJ, the new world order and Mind control can be substantially proved to base the whole theory on. Where did that theory start, what proof is there and where did that proof come from...?
Yes he encountered sinister forces in his life and career, we've heard him elude to this on many occasions, but he also had powerful friends so what am I missing?
First let me say I believe MJ is alive not because of this website or TS (I don't really care who TS is-no disrespect meant), why I believe MJ is alive doesn't really matter.
I haven't posted here much but have been following along with all the updates. They are all completely compelling but none, if I was a non-believer would make be believe that MJ was alive or their was a hoax and as a believer I just don't see the connection.
I've been around for a while now and I don't see the clear connection. How do we jump from numerology to a link to MJ's "death" I don't see proof in that, I see Cleverness, ingenuity, Genius a man who wanted to live his life in line with the universe absolutely, but proof...I just don't get it.?!
Secondly for that matter I have not been able to see where the clear connection comes into play that MJ, the new world order and Mind control can be substantially proved to base the whole theory on. Where did that theory start, what proof is there and where did that proof come from...? Yes he encountered sinister forces in his life and career, we've heard him elude to this on many occasions, but he also had powerful friends so what am I missing?
I am asking these questions with all sincerity...so any info/answers/discussion would be greatly appreciated thanks for the timeyourtime2shine
thank you for all the responsed,I truely appreciate that. My question about the NWO has nothing to do with their existence the question ffor me is exactly where is the proof that Michael did this because of or to expose the NWO. Where is that initial proof and where did it come from? Was if first from STUDY/TS, was it from a "source" where is the proof?Is it all speculation and conclusions drawn from Michael's statements about the Media, Sony etc.
you have brought up things that deserve to be given more research and consideration. probably requires a trip back to the beginning. or maybe somewhere in the middle. also requires a fitting for an exclusive designer straight jacket.
I really don't remember where this link was made initially, so many things have been going on. But one thing is for sure in my head is that one of the goal of this hoax is to fight the NWO powers. I will just say that The Dangerous autograph tells a lot to me, it is from Michael, and TS explanations on the matter make perfect sense IMHO: --------------------The numbers are a way for Michael to convey his message and not many people (and to my knowledge only TS) explained the meaning of this autograph and this entire update finally explains well how it is part of Michael's plan. Now I don't say that we must base ourselves exclusively on this to link the hoax with the NWO but there is a ray of hints and clues leading us to believe so and here the numbers just don't lie, they clearly have a meaning. Trusting TS doesn't mean that we cannot think for ourselves, on the contrary I see it as having thought for myself because I was able to see by the information he provided that he was legit and known more than any other 'hoaxer', I finally have been able to make a choice based on the content of his posts. The same way we have no 'hot' proof to show people that Michael is alive and turn them into beLIEvers in the second by presenting them this proof, it requires a lot of reading and investigation and it's rather the amount of inconsistences that makes the hoax a reality than one single proof, otherwise the hoax would be too obvious. I feel the same for the NWO destruction, Michael has to be careful hence this mysterious character named TS. The TMZ articles also give clues in that sense. Now it depends on how you perceive this hoax and the players in game.
Quote from: "suspicious mind"you have brought up things that deserve to be given more research and consideration. probably requires a trip back to the beginning. or maybe somewhere in the middle. also requires a fitting for an exclusive designer straight jacket.It only requires a straight jacket if you keep searching for ideas or proofs to try and make a conclusion, fact. You can support any conclusion with clips and snippets of certain info whether left in context or taken out of context. So going to the beginning is exaclty what I mean. It's in the beginning where all would be revealed. So in saying that there has to be a jumping off point for the intial point-of-fact that is proposed that Mike faked his death to reveal the clutches of the NWO on him and the world should be easily identified on a whole site that states this is the reason he did this, But where is it? I only see the efforts to make it all fit. So it is all based on theory then?!
Quote from: "Sarahli"I really don't remember where this link was made initially, so many things have been going on. But one thing is for sure in my head is that one of the goal of this hoax is to fight the NWO powers. I will just say that The Dangerous autograph tells a lot to me, it is from Michael, and TS explanations on the matter make perfect sense IMHO: --------------------The numbers are a way for Michael to convey his message and not many people (and to my knowledge only TS) explained the meaning of this autograph and this entire update finally explains well how it is part of Michael's plan. Now I don't say that we must base ourselves exclusively on this to link the hoax with the NWO but there is a ray of hints and clues leading us to believe so and here the numbers just don't lie, they clearly have a meaning. Trusting TS doesn't mean that we cannot think for ourselves, on the contrary I see it as having thought for myself because I was able to see by the information he provided that he was legit and known more than any other 'hoaxer', I finally have been able to make a choice based on the content of his posts. The same way we have no 'hot' proof to show people that Michael is alive and turn them into beLIEvers in the second by presenting them this proof, it requires a lot of reading and investigation and it's rather the amount of inconsistences that makes the hoax a reality than one single proof, otherwise the hoax would be too obvious. I feel the same for the NWO destruction, Michael has to be careful hence this mysterious character named TS. The TMZ articles also give clues in that sense. Now it depends on how you perceive this hoax and the players in game.After reading your post the question I pose to you then is what came first. The presentation that the NWO was the reason behind Mike's doing this then the proof or did the "proof" make you believe that Mike did this because of the NWO etc. Because those numbers and symbols have both positive and negative connotations throughout history. whose to say because one can explain one meaning that it is the right one. Just like the Media, one can find any piece of information to prove their theory. how do you know it's the rigt one when the research you do is to prove only that theory. Then I still ask where is the initial source, reason, statement of fact. I'm not asking you to prove to me that the theory seems reasonable. If I'm making any sense
After reading your post the question I pose to you then is what came first. The presentation that the NWO was the reason behind Mike's doing this then the proof or did the "proof" make you believe that Mike did this because of the NWO etc.
Because those numbers and symbols have both positive and negative connotations throughout history.
Then I still ask where is the initial source, reason, statement of fact. I'm not asking you to prove to me that the theory seems reasonable. If I'm making any sense
butting in here i think they are 2 separate issues. when you speak of NWO, you're talking about theories or possible reasons that he faked his death. could be NWO, could be total vindication, could be other things. that is where we are now, in my opinion, because we have already established -the beginning, as you call it, which is the question of did he fake his death? and i think that with the long list of inconsistencies and odd things we have been given, it is reasonable to conclude that he did. it's true that it's a matter of perception, and that a non-believer sees these inconsistencies in a totally different way. if i may say so, however, they don't really have good explanations for them. so it's more that they gloss over these things because their mind is closed. they have decided he is dead, and that's it. some even said if you have common sense, you'll know he's dead. but the believers are precisely using a lot of their common sense in questioning the things that don't add up. the personal judgment on whether he faked his death or not is not theory-based, i think. it is a judgment you come to after analyzing bits and pieces of the story, from different angles.