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[karen924]

I think what is truly amazing is that even though we have never meant each other or MJ for that matter, his love is bringing us together. Especially with something so personal as visions and dreams. We are reaching out with love in our hearts to share something to complete strangers. And in the process becoming friends and making this huge world seem a little bit smaller
Love and Light to each of you!

[Supervision]

Hello..all..Yeah..the world has shrunk a little bit for me too, since all of us here are discussing the very personal and quite sensitive issue...uh.uh..of not just spirituality in general, but specifically about such a subjective realm in human experience, of ''Visions and Dreams"..
I do believe also it is definitely not a coincidence that we here are doing just that. Credit goes to God creator of all there is (if you believe in creation, vs...evolutionary theory)and of course the connector ..(the culprit. :|  :|  :| )..none other than our sweet Michael.
Just a few weeks ago, if you had told me , that I will find myself posting and discussing about my visions and dreams, with complete strangers, on a HOAX site, no less, I would have thought you were nuts.
Well..never say never, and it seems God and Michael had other plans,to say the least. :|
And, I say..it is a good thing too, cause I truly believe when we are given these visions we are really meant to share them with others and not keep them all to ourselves.
But , Like Jonas,,in the story of the Bible, we sometime to refuse to do it, saying just like he told God,
"I am not doing it, 'cause, hey...who do you expect to believe me when I say these things..no,no,... I ain't going there to make myself look like a fool,.". :|   :| :|
We can see from that story, nothing much has changed even for us today, and we are forever afraid of others judging us and afraid of ridicule.
So, going from that, I salute all of us here, to have finally found the courage to share our experiences, even if it is done anonymously and/or...on cyberspace. What is important is the message, that other people , who don't even have a clue about such things as visions, may read our posts, and it may cause them to "awken" a part of their human potential, that they never even thought existed.
Even, if we don't find our sweet Michael, I say it has not been all for nothing, that we are sharing these visions with the world.Who knows, someone somewhere might read these posts of ours and get comforted by it, or it may cause them on a start of a new adventure. A spiritual adventure.
Well...did we not have Heartsong, asking a few question..??? :|  :|
Next...we might have her telling us about her new "experiences"..very soon. And if that should happen, we,the rest of us, are ready to point fingers at the true amazing culprit..who got her there,..
the amazing sweet, loving culprit,you know who. :|  :|  :|  :|
Well..got to go for now, running late, will post later.
stay sweet, and let all of us keep up the courage to continue posting, no matter, how ridiculous the tale might sound,
remember, we have the culprit to point our fingers to, for making us open up and posting about these things.
All for the Love of him.LOL :|  :|

Karen..what do you mean, you are trying to strengthen and develop your gifts? How does that work?
Heartsong...we are waiting!

Togood2betrue..you don't know how to bend spoons yet..
but I still love you anyway.. :|  :| I am in Chicago,got the same birthday as the culprit, yeah..August 29th is my B-Day..I am one year older than him.And when he makes me cry like a baby, like he has been doing in recent times, I always ask myself, how come this guy doesn't know about, Age before BEAUTY? :|  :|
Peace.!!!

[karen924]

OMG! Super Vision, you are in Chicago! We are neighbors! I am in Milwaukee! Looks like MJ still loves his MidWestern Roots!

I believe that this gift is inside all of us, some just have a different mission, if you will. The way I develop my gifts is to meditate as often as I can.  I also read many books on different spiritual subjects. I have gone to 3 readers for advice, Now 2 of which are my friends who we get together and discuss all my questions. They are assured me that I am not crazy. By meeting them and trusting them I have been able to open up to many differents things.  They have told me their stories, shred their feelings. We are truly connected through love and your Hihre Power. I  have asked to meet my Spirit Guides while meditating and was shown 5 of them. My friends have helped me to get to know my guides. I have asked my guides to raise my vibration and to lower theirs so that we can communicate better and it had worked.

When I first went to one of my  now friends for a reading, he meditated for a bit with me in the room, so I did the same. I saw Michael sitting where my friend was sitting. After a bit into the reading, I asked him a question about MJ. As soon as I asked the question, I heard MJ tell me the answer. My friend said exactly what MJ had told me. He did not know I heard the answer before hand until months later when I finally told him, he is also the one who had me talk with an Autistic girl who is missing Michael so much, that he is all she can think about.

I go to a New Age store that holds a Spirit Circle. I give and get messages from people that have crossed over and I am mazed how correct I am. This whole process has taught me to trust more in things that I cant understand. It has brought me closer to God and it truly is just a message of Love.  By trusting and asking God to help me develop my intuition, it has grown. He has put people in my life that support me.

Yes, sometimes, I feel like I am going crazy but I think my thinking Im going crazy, it is actually keeping me sane. A crazy person doesnt know that they are crazy! I dont tell everyone about my visions and dreams and I too never had any intention of sharing on this website, but when I could feel the pain in some posting on here on June 25th, I could not, not share. Michaels message is one of love and hope.

[Supervision]

Gee..It is good to know ,Karen, you are nearby. As you have mentioned, Michael also originates from the Midwest. Whether dead or alive,his spirit can't have left the general area. At least,that is  what I I think.
I made the trek to Gary, right after 6-25 to pay my respects....and when I arrived there and saw for the first time,the tiny little house where our Michael actually lived in when God still had to do his mighty work on him, and tried to imagine, the whole Jackson family crammed in that little space that they called home.
No matter how much I tried, I just could not believe how such a kid from such an humble beginning could have reached the Heights that our Michael has reached in this world.The  most known and loved entertainer on the Globe.And what joy he brought to the world!!!
I still can not wrap my mind around that one.But..I know.God,had blessed him with all of his special talents and nothing could stop it,.that was his Destiny..to become great.
I did bring with me a piece of rock picked up from the backyard where I know where he must have played while living there, as a memento and as a way to pick up his spirit vibration. I keep it here where I have his picture put up since 6-25...I wonder if it works. The vibration thing , I mean.
I am amazed at what you have to say about the development of your gifts. A spirit circle, is that like a seance of sorts?
I myself, since I have been experiencing visions, have held back from  joining groups or going out to "reader" ..and such folk,
cause, I am afraid, I do not want to run into a situation , where
I then have to decide, who is running a scam and who is in it for the truth, if any one can say for certain what "Truth"..is.
So, all I do, is just keep learning and experiencing, and it is a lonely journey but in time, God , or Spirit may bring the right people into my life who may further my insight.
I see lots of people in my visions who I don't  know who they are,
and have no clue , why I am seeing them.Are those the guides?'
And if so, are they deceased people?.
..Sorry Karen, I don't quite understand all these new
" New Age"...practices. Some say, it is quite a cult. People just grasping at anything and everything that is being thrown at them in the name of spirituality.I do know it is big business.
I deep down feel, if I don't keep it honest, I will then for sure lose my whole sanity.Because, I feel, that is not something one should try to play around with not saying that you are.
And I am so afraid of people, who use these gifts to make an easy buck and also give false hopes to poor troubled folks, desperate for anyone anybody to tell them  something about what is hurting them the most. Those kinds of situations with those types of charlatans, are the ones that have kept me away from going out to find people with similar experiences. Honesty..and God fearing Sincerity is of paramount importance, I believe, regarding these God given gifts, and to go to other people,  makes it hard to sort the chaff from the wheat...especially in our highly materialistic world...where Money is god.
So..if you would, what are the guides, and the spirit circle a sort of seance. What book would you recommend to read on general strengthening of these gifts with seeing visions?
I will post later about a dream a got yesterday trying to identify MIKe's lover lady...funny actually!!!Am posting between errands I have to run.
Peace.

[karen924]

Hi Super Vision~
I have just a few minutes before I have to leave but I will answer a few of your questions.And then I will try to answer the rest probably tomorrow because i ahve company going in tonight.

First of all I LOVE that you got to see MJ's house. i come froma family of 8 kids. We had a 4 bedroom house and that still wasnt a big enough house for us. I believe Michaels roots kept him humble and that is why he was gave with love in his heart. He knew what it was like to go without. He knew that God had also blessed him dearly. That is something we all can learn from and keep dear to our own hearts. Oh and as far as the rock goes, everything has a vibration so you can hold the stone and feel its vibration or perhaps even Michaels. That would not surprise me at all.

Spirit Circle is nothing like a seance at all. Im not sure why they call it Circle. But there is about 10-14 people who sit in a room, sometimes if it fewer people we just sit at a table. We do all our own little meditation and ask for protection. Then anyone can just say what they are feeling/seeing/sensing. It is all done with love. For example, one time I saw an older man who told me his name was Jack. I describe what I saw and how he looked. A woman there told me that I had just described her grandfather whos name was Jack. After the last Circle, a woman came up to the group leader and asked after I had left if I knew Michael Jackson because she could see his name around me when she closed her eyes. She was too afraid to say it at Circle because she thought it would sound crazy. Of course, the group leader knows a bit of my MJ stories so it wasnt  crazy at all. Some people dont give messages at all.  I feel safe when I am there. I feel protected.

Everyone has Spirit Guides. There are guided meditations cds that you can buy that will help you meditate to connect with your Guides. It is how I met one of my guides. Her name is Tara. When i first started doing guided meditations, I kept my Bible with me because I never knew what would happen. Nothing bad every did. I also go to Holy Hill about 1-2 times a year. Not sure if you are familiar with it, but the last time I was there in May, I saw Angels all over. It was so beautiful.

I have had people ask if I would do what is called automatic writing reading for them, which I have done. I have charged a person for the reading even though I have been told that I should. I dont because I truly believe that God will bless me, that is my reward. There are some people that will tell you what you want to hear and take your money. I have trusted that God has brought the right people in my life. I dont feel the need to get a reading done like I have in the past. Like I said I have had 3 done and there were all after I statred seeing Michael. I nneded to go for reassurance that I wasnt crazy. I believe God chose the readers for me, I think Michael chose one of them. as well. I truly believe that Michael is not visiting me and that for everyone more is to come. This is NOT it.

My best advice for you right now is simply to trust. If it feels wrong, it is. KNow that God and His Angels are protecting you. Someone recently was telling me something and I heard a male voice in my head say, "you are being lied to" I didnt embarass the person, I just believed what I was hearing and decided not to believe this person. It was done with love.  So trust what you see even if you dont understand it. Ask God to put in your life people that can help you and He will

[mjssoulmate]

Hi guys,
Just came across your very interesting posts.  I was wondering, since you seem to have more experience with this sort of thing than I do, if any of you have an interpretation for my dream i had posted a while ago.  I would appreciate any thoughts on it.

Another dream
by mjssoulmate » Thu Jun 24, 2010 10:15 pm

I have had several dreams about Michael in the last year. All of them beautiful and so real that when I wake up I always feel like he is right there beside me.
About a month ago I had another dream and I had the same dream again this afternoon while napping. In this dream I was at Forest Lawn. It was like a maze and very confusing. I was just walking around and getting a little perturbed at all the people there. It was like many people were taking a Sunday afternoon stroll through the Mausoleum. I kept saying to myself: I have to find them before everyone else does. Suddenly I came into a passage and I saw Paris and Prince in an alcove. Blanket was there too, but he was standing next to Prince, so I couldn't really see him, I just sensed him. The children were facing me and were talking to someone I couldn't see, because the wall on that side hid that person from view. All I could see of that person was the left hand as he was talking to the kids. The hand... I immediately recognized it as Michael's. I got very excited and wanted to go over, but I didn't because I was telling myself that if I saw it so will everyone else. But Paris and I made eye contact, and I knew she understood. So I turned and went into some kind of front parlor. Paparazzi were there with their cameras. Katherine was sitting on a bench up against a wall and I went and sat next to her. I wispered to her that I saw the children and they were talking to someone, but I couldn't see who it was. I asked:"Who is it"? She just shrugged and kept looking to see what the paparazzi were up to. So then I told her about the hand and I asked her: "Whose hand is it?" She didn't look at me, but said: "Well, it's probably his". She sounded just a little irritated (like she was thinking: What a stupid question) When Katherine said that I just got the biggest grin on my face, hugged her, and started crying. Not sobbing...but tears just kept streaming down my face. Tears of absolute happiness. She hugged me back and cried too, but then suddenly her attention was back to the paparzzi and she said to me: " Now why are you smiling"? I turned and looked at the paparazzi and woke up.

I Love the dreams I have of Michael!!! I am open to interpretations, though.
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[karen924]

SuperVision~ Just re read my last posting...need to clarify two things...meant to say that I have NEVER taken any money for a reading and that I believe MJ is not Done visiting me or anyone for the matter. I just never quick post when about to run out thewhen I have  door.
mjssoulmate~ just a quick interpretation. Its almost  midnight where I live and need to get some sleep. The maze is your confusion. Since you are at Forest Lawn I would think it may be in regards as to your feelings whether or not Michael is buried there however many dreams are not literal so it may symbolic representing something in your life that you are confused personally. Mazes are about taking turns where you dont know what is around the corner as well, they are about choices. It seesm the focus of your dream is seeing the hand since it was mentioned twice. Hands are about communication. If we try to make a MJ connection, it is either that he is trying to communicate with you or you are trying to communicate with him. Since it is his hnad you see, I would say that he is trying to communicate with you. If you want to look at the dream as a reflection of you personal life, i would say that you have problems communicating with your family since a family is represented in your dream although it is Mj's family. Since you see and talk to his Mother, I would guess if we look at this personally, it is your Mother that you need to communicate something to.

What colors did you see in your dream? Colors are indication of feelings in your dream. Did you see flowers? Flowers would also give more insight. The important thing to remember is that youe dream is a message for you, whether from Mj or something more personal. You are the only one who really knows what it means, what resonates with you, what touches your heart will be the indication what the dream means, though I hope I helped give some insight.

[Supervision]

Hey karen and MJsoulmate..
By god it is 3:00 am here and I am still at it , listening to MIke's beautiful music. I just read your post..so I will put in my two cents,
about the dream MJsouldmate has had,
To me ..the most freaked out thing is, that so many people are now saying that they are seeing Michael in Dreams and/or visions.
I am totally convinced there is something very meaningful up with that. And the most amazing part about these dreams and visions about  him are being seen by people, who are or were not even his fans before 6-25..and some are still not, and still they say they are seeing him in their dreams. Quite a number of my family members  have also told me in passing, that they have seen Michael in their dreams. They are not believers ..no where near it.
To day too, I read  the reply of that other poster on the first site I had posted about this, and the lady there is writing, she can't understand why she is getting visions of him. In fact she says she never had experienced visions before in  her whole life before she started seeing him. And she also says she did not pay attention to Michael for several years before he passed.

Karen , you also stated you were actually a fan of the B-Gees
and Andy Gibb..and look all the contact you are having with him.
Having said that, It seems to me, Michael is trying to reach out and tell us something, or his spirit feels for those who are in pain and he is trying to comfort us.(Or it could also be our own subconscious mind coming to the rescue, at a time of our grief.)

But , If Michael is the one taking this initiative,that of course could mean ,as hard as it is for me to even say it he has really passed on, and  that does not mean still that,I am ruling out he may still be alive, but , the whole thing has me puzzled  about this.".His constant contact with people."
Of course people could be picking it up from each other, who knows, the whole thing might be jumping and spreading from one subconscious to another, or when you really come down to it, all of us maybe tapping into the ONe Subconcious MINd..(the central computer :|  :| )...and getting what they need  to see. Just one way to look at this phenomenon.

Specifically, about MJsoulmates dream, I don't believe , though
I don't know her personal circumstances, it has much to do with her own fam. situation. There is a hand ...prob. his hand peeking out towards his children. Could be, he is protecting his
children,even if  he is gone.

And the papparzi she saw, could be there, cause some news worthy thing was happening. And his mom knows what it is all about. That is why , she maybe reacted the way she did when asked,.. whose hands it was?

To me, such dreams belong to surface type of dreams, meaning, they are more or less literal. Not much symbolism needed here to interpret...the whole thing.So it seems to me.
I never try to make things complicated if I can see a direct interpretation, usually that is the one I stick to.

But ..what are the other nice dreams you have had MJ soulmate?

This one seems to indicate , either passing , or hiding, or unable to openly communicate with his children and his family on Mike's part. Hand was hidden...but was sticking out reaching..

Hope this helps...I meant  to post my own dream of yesterday,
but it is really very late, and ...it will have to wait til morrow.
So..between and Karen...MJsoulmate...hope we were able to help out a bit...but stick around..and let us hear from you, about your dreams and thoughts.
Night all
sweet dreams..about our beloved!!
The best is yet to come!!!

[2good2btrue]

Karen and Supervision.....this is a link to a similar topic that was started recently...Enjoy......
Karen, I also come from a family of 8 children, and I am the 7th born. ;)  ;)  ;)  ;)
But I live in Australia and was never a real obsessed MJ fan......love his music though and still do...but since learning more about him, I regret not getting to know the person better, that's why this experience is extremely unsusual for me...I usually connect to people nearer to home, but with MJ,  anything is possible...

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[karen924]

Thanks for the link 2good2btrue, I will have to check it out.

SuperVision~ I agree with what you. Its hard to figure out if Michael is really alive or dead. Since he is visiting so many people, the conscious conclusion is that he has passed away. For some reason, I have a hard time believing that. Maybe my heart doesnt want to let go of him. Maybe because when I see hiim, he is so much alive that I cant accept that he is truly gone. Of course, spiritually he is still alive if nothing else. I do know that when psychics do readings that they are reading someones energy, not actually the person. Maybe there is someway that Michael is sending his energy to so many people and still be a live. What if he was actually in a coma I know its stretching.Im just trying to figure all this out. I do know that with God the impossible is what IS possible!

Last night I had a dream the Michael was at Neverland. This is about the 3 dream I have had about him being there. Of course, that doesnt mean that he is there, but his energy def is.

Some books that are give you a generally background on all of this are The Psychic Bible and the Angel Bible. Some people believe that if you hold something of some ones and meditate you can get better visions, maybe you could hold the stone from Michael's house and see if you get anything more intense. Just a thought.
Sending you all lots of love and hugs

[Supervision]

Good Afternoon to you Karen and all the gangs
I just to answer you about this last post, man oh' man...Karen
somethings you say, are really amazing me,cause, they are also
my thoughts exactly. Or at least my suspicions , regarding what might me our sweet Michel's current state.
YOU are right , when we see the visions and dreams about a person,we are dealing with their energy body, astral body,their spirit, their soul, and def. not with their physical body, which is of course not any or our true essence.
Most humans here on earth, we identify ourselves with our physical body, which is the work of our shallow  ego telling us that, but for any who would take a closer look, and they don't have to look to far , it is easy to know,and validate this fact, that we all are really spirits.Spirits connected to the ultimate source of our being, which most call "God".
If some of us believe we are only the body, I am certain, that is just our shallow ego dictating to us. I mean, could any one of us keep ourselves alive, or did any one of us create ourselves' :|
Or for those who are of a scientific bend, our present day science has confirmed already, all matter is essentially made up of pure energy. And energy as we know, once it is created , does not ever get destructed or lost. It just changes forms.
I am sure , Karen,you are very aware of what I am saying here, I am just writing it, for the benefit of any other readers, if they are not familiar with this concept.
Having said the above then, to connect what I am saying with our Michael,which is what we are concerned with here primarily,
:|  :| LoL, it could be very possible, that he has actually shed his confining physical body, based on the reports of contact his constantly establishes with "living life force".Us :|  :|

On the other hand , what amazed me , is that you are also speculating, that Michael might be in a coma.
After that vivid dream I had, where I saw that I took him to the  hospital, to be operated on his brain, I can not shake the feeling that it may indeed be true , that something went very wrong that day of 6-25...and a cover up ensued.????
Because , we all remember, first it was being reported that he was in a coma.
It makes  me physically sick, just to think about it , if this is what is going on, but that dream was so explicit..I just don't know what to think anymore.
If he is still here physically, Neverland is the place I was also shown, as I have already recounted. Now, I am also trying to solve the KIssing KIssing vision  of Michael with that lady.

So..after promising 2good2betrue the other day, I will try to confirm if the pic she posted of the lady, who was vacationing in Hawii with PPB, I lay down to take a nap and to do a little detecting. :|  :|
Before I dosed off , I asked to be shown to identify Michael's kissing partner...(Gee...Invading his privacy and all..sorry MIKE).

I did not get a vision but a quick dream.
In the dream...I saw
MY mother was sitting a my computer surfing...and she was saying to me, " I will show you Eddi Murphy wife..she is really pretty...and I was standing 5feets away from her and and was just talking to her while she clicked on something and was waiting for the lady's pic to come up....and my mother said again..you will see she is really very pretty....Her name is Steeela...and I said, MOM..you mean STella, don't you?
and then I woke up.
Now , I said to myself what have I got to do with Eddie Murphy and his wife....and then it hit..
.the scene in..."...Remember the time vid...Eddie Murphy's wife..Mike's undying love."
Gee...if that is not totally ingenious on the part of the dream maker, I don't know what is...actually I thought it was very funny.
But who is STEEELa  or STELLa...any body has an idea about any one called that in connection to Mike??
And what do you think the dream was trying to tell me?

I hope MIke is in a coma, knocked out of his senses with Stella's LOve.
Judging from the kissing scene....she sure got HIM.
Lucky wench :|  :|
Peace... and.. Stella please come out who ever and where ever you are.!! :|  :|  :|  :|
2good2betrue..thanks for the link will see what is up there.

[karen924]

Hi Everyone~
im just exhausted after about 4 hours of playing at Dave and Busters with my 4 yr old grandson. Its his birthday today. Had tons of fun but am need of a nap!

I have also had visions of Michael getting off a medical table and walking down a hallway. It is like he wakes up and just gets off the table. I felt like the waking up was like coming out of a coma, but that could just my wanting it to be that. One person told me that they thought it was Michael transitioning to another plane.

Im really curious what all the kissing is about and who Stella is. And why I do always see that. Crazt stuff, but in a good way. I feel that there has to be a reason behind it. What is Michael trying to tell you?  Do all your visions start the same way, with the kissing? My dreams/visions never start the same way.

Have you tried googling Michael and Stella just to see if there is anything? I may give you some validation as well. I wish we could figure some of this stuff out. Hes definately sending messages but what is he saying?

[Supervision]

O.k..Karen and the rest,.I tried to find out what this name means for myself,..Stela or  Stella.The name I got in the dream for Mike's lover lady.(re:the kissing visions)

and Wiki has this to say...
right now I am crying my eyes out, I am beginning to think, I am just being stubborn to accept the hurtful truth...he may be really gone...
If you care to look what this name means, and you believe in dreams and visions as also giving clues,...here is the link..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stella#Music

What alarms me is the interpretations:
Stela...a slab or wooden slab errected for funerary or commemorative purposes..Uh uh uh...
and the other obvious meaning of this word ..is Star...uh uh uh again..

But of course this word has a wide range of meanings, please look and think if the other interpretations may fit  our puzzle.
Of the places called Stella. one is  ..in South Africa,
One in Enland, and one in Ireland, where MIKe lived before.

Well , all I can say is,If Stela  or Stella is a real person,and the kissing visions did not lie, then we can say safely
that is how..." Stella got her Grooves back" :|  :|  :|
I just hope that is the scenario here.What do you think guys?
Oh..Lord.please be with Michael ..where ever he is!!

[angel]

There was a Stella Marcroft who worked at Neverland in the early 90's along with her husband, Lemarque, but they were supposed to testify against Michael....don't know if they were actually put on the stand or not.  She was allegedly Michael's chef for a brief time.

[karen924]

Very interesting Angel! Thank you for that. You may have read that Super Vison and I were not huge MJ fans in the past so I had no knowldge of that.

Super Vision~I really think that you need to figure out what the symbolism of the kissing is. I feel like that is the key to you messages from Michael since they all start the same one. I have tried to find out what the meaning of kissing on thw internet and it is so varied. I really believe that once you figure out the symbolism of the kiss, you will start getting visions in a different way. You said that the woman was white so I believe she symbolizes purity or perfection. I wonder if their is a Bibical tie to the name Stella. An Angel named Stella...I know Im stretching again....