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[karen924]

Sorry forgot to write about the poems obiviously I did the  actual writing of the poems, although he and I wrote the words together. i still have the poems but Im not sure if I want to share them yet. So far, my sister is the only one that I have shared them with. But they are called, "You are So Beautiful" and "God's Child" " God Childs'" is my favorite. Its is about letting go of fear and trusting on God's love and God's plan for each of us.

[Heartsong]

Supervision and karen924, Sorry to butt in, your experiences are amazing, but do you feel Mike is dead (as in, not physically living on the planet anymore)?

[karen924]

Supervision and karen924, Sorry to butt in, your experiences are amazing, but do you feel Mike is dead (as in, not physically living on the planet anymore)?

My mind wants to say that he is dead, but my heart wont let me. My experiences are so real. I posted this before in a different thread, one of my messages was from MJ was that the world is still not getting it right and that he is coming back. I asked when. I was shown the zodiac symbol for Libra which is Sept 23- October 22...no year give, :) but I feel it would be this year. He told me that originally he was not going to come back but now feels he must.  He happy to do it because everything he does, he does for love. He said that he needed  time to prepare to come back.
The only problem is that I also heard the word, "step in" which I dont know if that was my mind trying to justify what I was experiencing. I believe a "step in" is the same as a "walk In".  If that is the case, he would not come back as Michael Jackson but would be very Michael Jackson like as far as talent and personality.
So I havent really answered your question because i can not say with 100% certainity that he is dead or alive. The only way I believe at this point 100% that he is dead is if my brother, who is a defense attorney in CA , shows me proof. So I will end this, the way I started it it. my mind wants to say that he is dead but my heart wont let me.

[2MuchMJLuv]

You're absolutely right!!! I'm no psychophant either. We're here to discuss someone who touched countless lives without physical contact. I hope to do the same, somehow while I'm here. Death has always been very difficult for me, and the interesting thing is that I have lost many. We were taught as children (to help us cope) that when the good passes on it's because our creator only wants the best. That's how I have made sense of it.

[Supervision]

Heartsong you are not butting in at all, we are sharing here, wish more members would also look at this spiritual angle of what we are all trying to do here.I for one , have stated from the beginning this would be prob. my only real contribution for the investigation.i.e. my experience of having received visions and having  seen him in dreams.
I have made a sort of outline for sharing this visions and dreams at the beginning of my entry here..to be updated as I go along.
To answer your question then, or for all of us to contemplate the answer to your question together if you will, I believe , I should now try to share about two of the visions I have received, as I have outlined them under:

Michael and the Lamb...and
Michael in the Sky...

Now , to help me remember some of the more important visions and dreams ,I have recorded them in a small journal along sometime with a small sketch...and I now will post what I have written there months ago.

1. Michael and the Lamb

Visions of Michael J. seen, no dreams
Numerous, but the most note worthy one
I first saw on the little screen a little golden lamb.
Next..Michael came and stood next to it, to the right.
(Lamb, in Christianity symbolism..the equals the HOly Spirit)
2, Michael in the Sky..(sorry, entered on 9-4-09 not July)
...if MIke is murdered like the police are saying now, I've not had any visions of him, people abusing him, so far..all was good visions. The one I saw of him with his eyes closed shut while he
was standing up, could mean he passed, I don't know, but I do
know,if he is really gone,he is really turned to a saint or something, based on the vision I have had today.

I have only seen this type of vision ,which I saw of Michael, when I had the vision of Jesust the Christ..(received when I was doubtful ,whether he even ever existed at all, according to some of my research).
Today..I saw Michael the same way, I saw Jesus.
First..I saw a royal blue dark sky..which opened up like a curtain,and Michael's face was revealed, his face was shining like a thousand suns stars, too hard to put down in tangible words, too beautiful to even describe..Michael's face was literally shining.
Remember this vision always.
Never ever , forget this vision.
Well...guys..the above is what I wrote in the journal, and I remember thinking, If it were possible, if I could tell his mother about it , if it would comfort her, to know, that her son has gone on and become an Angel a Saint or something...because , that is what I felt at that moment, what has happened.
But..let me add these visions don't necessarily stick to our linear time frame, sometime they go back into what we call the past , and sometime what we call the future..and some are real time.

And to confuse matters, I have also had visions of Michael which I fill post about later , to show,
that Michael is hiding...playing..as in a joke.
and, the one most persistent vision I have of him even until this day, is , where I see him constantly , with the lady, and they are always kissing , frolicking,and kissing in very lush garden.(Could be Neverland, Idon't know, and I have no clue who the lucky lady is.Gee..if that is true, I wish..Mike , would kiss and tell us!!!

So..be your own judge..what do you think these visions may mean. The visions unfortunately do not come with a manual of sorts..I am just here sharing with those that may be interested to hear,and I am doing so, honestly and without sensationalizing anything.
So..It could go either way..physically gone , but even more alive, or, physically still here but, his spirit reaching out in all direction...but the latter is harder to imagine. I mean, I have never had these visions of him prior to a month before the definitive day..6-25-09
God only knows what's up with Michel, ..I hope that he is still with us here on Earth,
but if he is not,it is
ST.Michael to all of you...who would believe..
And the Best is yet to come..
And I  am serious,when I say...even if Mike is "dead",
we may not have heard the last of him. :|  :|  :|  :|  :|
Peace and happy loving our sweet Michael.
Please drop your comments if any..

[Heartsong]

Supervision and karen924, Sorry to butt in, your experiences are amazing, but do you feel Mike is dead (as in, not physically living on the planet anymore)?

My mind wants to say that he is dead, but my heart wont let me. My experiences are so real. I posted this before in a different thread, one of my messages was from MJ was that the world is still not getting it right and that he is coming back. I asked when. I was shown the zodiac symbol for Libra which is Sept 23- October 22...no year give, :) but I feel it would be this year. He told me that originally he was not going to come back but now feels he must.  He happy to do it because everything he does, he does for love. He said that he needed  time to prepare to come back.
The only problem is that I also heard the word, "step in" which I dont know if that was my mind trying to justify what I was experiencing. I believe a "step in" is the same as a "walk In".  If that is the case, he would not come back as Michael Jackson but would be very Michael Jackson like as far as talent and personality.
So I havent really answered your question because i can not say with 100% certainity that he is dead or alive. The only way I believe at this point 100% that he is dead is if my brother, who is a defense attorney in CA , shows me proof. So I will end this, the way I started it it. my mind wants to say that he is dead but my heart wont let me.

Thank you for your honesty. It is difficult sometimes to separate the heart from "wishful thinking" and just look at the evidence. Trouble is we have no solid evidence of MJ being gone. And if he is still here, he himself will suppress evidence of it until he is good and ready, if ever, to come back. Very hard for those of us who love him.

So..be your own judge..what do you think these visions may mean. The visions unfortunately do not come with a manual of sorts..I am just here sharing with those that may be interested to hear,and I am doing so, honestly and without sensationalizing anything.
So..It could go either way..physically gone , but even more alive, or, physically still here but, his spirit reaching out in all direction...but the latter is harder to imagine. I mean, I have never had these visions of him prior to a month before the definitive day..6-25-09

I have no idea what they mean - I've never had a vision in my life! It would be nice for those of us less gifted if the things were less esoteric and more forthcoming! Like if I were to have a vision of MJ I could ask him "Are you alive?" or "Were you murdered?" and he would say a straight yes or no.  ;)

I have difficulty correlating the visions with Christian imagery as well. What if  you were a Muslim or Hindu medium? How would you decipher the messages then? I know Michael wasn't Muslim, so Christian imagery probably makes sense to him, but would he only send his messages to another Christian? It's all so confusing...but I  always remember one of my Uni lecturers saying when trying to work out a dilemma - the kiss principle/parsimony = keep it simple stupid. eg. often the simplest explanation is the answer...

[2good2btrue]

Could this be the blonde women you have been seeing in your visions ??  She is holidaying with Michael's children in Hawaii.......????

[2good2btrue]

To supervision...........these are my visions...and I always see his eyes sparkle at me..

[karen924]

Heartsong~
Everyone gets their visions in the way, that would best relate to them. I do not seen Christianity in my visons with Michael. Although I feel that Super vision's symbolism of Christianity is amazing. Mine is more simple. I do believe in God, a higher power or whatever word you like to use to describe your higher power. I believe that God created spirituality and that man created religion so that is probably  why mine visons are simplier than Super Visions. Like I said before hers are amazing! I do believe in Jesus and I have seen him about 3 times as well. Usually with a family member.

Supervisions~ I have had dreams where Michael is hidng as well. In one dream he was hiding and also watching someone. I will have to review my journal to  reread what I wrote about that, but I do remember that it was shortly after he "died". I have always felt that Michael has not left the US so he may be at Neverland, Vegas, or Encino.  When I try to intrepret my dreams, I also look for sybolism as well as literal intrepretations and then see what resonates with my soul, for example, what colors do you remember in the garden. Did you see a lot of green? Green is the color for healing. Perhaps Michael is telling you that he is healing. You of course are the best intrepretor of your dreams. And if you are like me, some of the them I havent figured out to this day.

I also believe that here in the physical form or spiritual form, he is not done helping us. He is not done loving us...the best is yet to come!

Love and Light to all!

[Supervision]

"In no other period of history were the learned so mistrustful of the divine possibilities in man as they are now." - Gopi Krishna
To "togoodtobetrue"....whoever you are I love you, the pics you chose to describe the visions I was describing,really show that a picture is really is more worth  than a thousand words.
the pic with sun in it , is exactly the same one I saw, except Michael's face was in the  middle when the royal sky opened up and it was shining just like the sun. Thank you, for sharing that you also saw this vision, it does  help me a lot to keep my sanity.
LOL :|  :|  :|  :|
About the lady, it is a MayBe..the kissing scene is always a night scene and I see them in profile kissing, I can see him more than I can see her, except that I can see she is a white lady.He always has on a red shirt. Not sure what she got on .Too dark to see.
But ..in the very beginning sometime in late JUne of last year or thereabouts, I got one very clear vision of the two, walking in the lush garden enjoying themselves, but I could only see them from the back and side ways.(to answer you , Karen..) , yes the
garden was extremely green and lush and he had on a white suit
and hat a la "Smooth Criminal"...
IN answer to Hearsong's question , Karen has pretty much answered it, I believe when you receive these visions, they are communicated (sometime , not all the time) ..in the language the receiver understands best. So..no , MIchael would not only communicate with Christians.Please understand ,  that all major religions of the world practically say the same thing , when it is all boiled down to the Nitty Gritty, about man's relationship to his Creator.While , I have received a Christian symbol , the Lamb,others might see according to their belief.
·   Chinese: the Greater Kan and Li
·   Christians: the Holy Spirit
·   Ancient Hebrews: the Shekinah
·   San Bushmen in the Kalahari Desert: the Num
·   Kaballah: the Secret Fire
·   Mayan: Quetzacoctal
·   Tibetan: gTummo
It is  a good question, whether the visions , could respond to the questions put to them by the receiver, to be more "forthcoming"
as you put it,but, keep in mind , the nature of the whole experience is "Spiritual, and Esoteric', ...and Esoteric is spoken there...Nevertheless,due to my utter frustration of not being able to get a direct answer to what is bugging me,I at times do try to ask direct question and wait for an answer. One such time is when I , in desperation and crying too, asked , over and over again, well, MIke...where are you, won't you please tell me where you are..and so on...pleading!!
That night, when I closed my eyes, and the visions began, I stared to see NeverLand. It was the most amazing thing, I mean this vision took me all over MIke's property, as if I was up on a helicopter viewing the estate. I did't not see a soul there, just the whole of Neverland.I assume that was my answer. Would't everyone, after pleading so hard ?
I was disappointed , I did not see Mike , physically there in the vision, but, he..he ...I can not be too bossy and greedy to boot.
But...in my opinion, one trace to follow might be the "Kissing and frolicking with the Lady" vision , for those who may be able to look at it a bit deeper. I say this , cause, that vision with the lady, is constant and recurrent until this very day. I see that almost every time I have visions about Michael.
So...I thank all you guys for your answer, you can not imagine what it means to me, not having to many people to talk to , and
worse, not knowing a single other person, that has these experiences. Karen...yes , I am a Christian, cause I believe in Jesus the Christ, but , I do not go to any church , whatsoever.
In fact, I look more to the Eastern Religions for my further education and insight, into this whole matter.
The Hindus, I find, have been more open about this esoteric knowledge of man,while the Christians , had , as history tells us.
the famous period of the "Witch Hunt"..to discourage anyone to branch out on their  own and connect with their " God".
That is how they started establishing lodges and secret societies all over Europe, and ..LO and Behold...we are still at it to day..
With the so called "ILLUMINATI"..and such evil hoarders  of Spiritual and Esoteric knowledge...to keep men away from knowing their true worth and their true place in the scheme of the whole Creation.
Yeah...Hearsong...If you are interested and would like to look into how to see visions etc. , you need look no further than your
own self. While it is true , the visions are a gift from a HIgher Source, call it what you may, It is a gift given to ALL of MANKIND.
Try it and you will see for yourself , what I am talking about.
Before I leave...let me say here, that I got a "New" vision yesterday night, which I am trying to figure out what it means
And I am asking you guys..if you could help here with insights
The vision was ,
I first saw Mike..kissing etc as usual
and then I saw...A white SACk..like a bean bag sort of thing but not round, more like the whit space ship, MIke came out of at one of his concerts.(like an egg shape or something like that)
This white shape had a black square stamped on it at the bottom of it's left side...or right side , when I looked at it, and next to it
sat a white little RABBIT.(like the promo with Chris Angel..believe?)
Now, what could that mean,in relation to Michael, at this time..????have you guys any idea, let me know, if something comes to you..
Well ..thanks for the pic..and I will try to see ,if I can confirm
the identity of the MIKE"s LOver...the Lady.
Peace..

[karen924]

Hi supervision~

Its so hard to interpret visons/dreams isnt it? I think you also have to look at what you were feeling when you saw your vision, if you did expereience any. They happen so fast that sometimes, its almost a "what the heck?" feeling!

What I do find interesting is that you see a lot of white. White naturally so represents purity, innocence, perfection. Perhaps this is how you view Michael. A white rabbit is suppose to symbolize faithfulness in love and is also suppose to help steer you in the right direction. Perhaps Michael is trying to guide you towards something either spiritually or in your personal life.  A sack represents burdens and responsibilities. Are you feeling overwhelmed, even if only trying to understand your visions? Kissing is so broad...it can mean intimacy or death, the kiss of death, which I dont feel it means in your visions. I feel that since you get kissing all the time, it is symbolic, just not sure. How do you feel when you see him kissing another female? Its hard to interpret dreams/visions because sometimes the symbols mean only something to you.

Since you have had many visons of MJ, he is definatley trying to tell you something.I jsut wish all our dreams/vsisons we easier to understand. If I think of anything else, i will let you know. Time to get to work.

[2MuchMJLuv]

Supervision and karen924, Sorry to butt in, your experiences are amazing, but do you feel Mike is dead (as in, not physically living on the planet anymore)?

My mind wants to say that he is dead, but my heart wont let me. My experiences are so real. I posted this before in a different thread, one of my messages was from MJ was that the world is still not getting it right and that he is coming back. I asked when. I was shown the zodiac symbol for Libra which is Sept 23- October 22...no year give, :) but I feel it would be this year. He told me that originally he was not going to come back but now feels he must.  He happy to do it because everything he does, he does for love. He said that he needed  time to prepare to come back.
The only problem is that I also heard the word, "step in" which I dont know if that was my mind trying to justify what I was experiencing. I believe a "step in" is the same as a "walk In".  If that is the case, he would not come back as Michael Jackson but would be very Michael Jackson like as far as talent and personality.
So I havent really answered your question because i can not say with 100% certainity that he is dead or alive. The only way I believe at this point 100% that he is dead is if my brother, who is a defense attorney in CA , shows me proof. So I will end this, the way I started it it. my mind wants to say that he is dead but my heart wont let me.

Neither (my mind nor heart) believes it!!

[Supervision]

So you are sure MIke is gone?

[2good2btrue]

Supervision, it's 2good2btrue from Australia.... I am a 45 yo single mother of a 7 yo boy.

I was raised a catholic, and have been experiencing an ability to telepathically make things happen..(not spoon bending though. :lol: Uri Geller can have that one).  I was always a very spiritual person, and would see things happenning before they actually happenned.  I don't know how to control it.  It became more prominant when my mother was very ill, and even more so, after she died.  I was 15 then.  I would feel a presence in my room as I tried to sleep, and feel a cold breeze on my neck.  The room would rattle, and in fright, looked straight up into the digital  clock.  Each time it happenned, it was 11.11.  without fail.  Then the 11.11 phenonomen followed my through my life, and still does.  I usually have to ask Michael for a vision, and do so by closing my eyes and clearing my mind first.  Sometimes I don't see anything, other times I do.  The white monument he showed me, was when I asked him "Where are you?" I told other forum members about this, and that I saw a white square plaque, coming from a hole in the ground.  (that is my perception of this plaque...someplace else)..He has lead me to other things that give me clues....weird things have been happenning in my life since the 25th June 2009.  Some things, I  cannot explain...but I know it's not a coincidence. ;)

[Heartsong]

Thank you for trying to explain to me something you have so much angst trying to understand yourselves.

You're right Supervision, the similarities in all religions should be focused on. Michael pointed as much out in TII. However, sadly some focus only on the differences, many of which are irreconciliable to certain followers. Wars have been fought over them. People are wrongly oppressed and die every day because of them. It is a reality that we should be aware of if we are to change it. Spirituality is a very personal space. I have known people who find "God" in a snail trail (ooohhh, look at the colors...)  :lol:

For me, I think Michael was trying to reach our samenesses; the common state we all hold- that of being human. And then going one step further and asking us to reach into ourselves and find that all powerful goodness he believed (and I believe) we so strongly possess. He truly believed EVERYONE had deep, transcending goodness in them and that we had simply lost touch with it. He appealed to us and urged us to contain our negativities for the good of the planet and our children. He urged us to look in the mirror, to look at our hearts. And then when we found this strength, to use it to see ourselves and our world from a love perspective, not a hate/take/murder/greed perspective. I think this is why it hurt him so when he was constantly betrayed. He simply couldn't understand why we couldn't "see".

karen924 may be spot on when she says many visions could be symbolic. A bit like dreams are symbolic except yours are extremely lucid. Could MJ represent something to you?

I also don't need a vision to understand exactly what you both mean by "my head says no but my heart says yes". I feel just the same. I hope the best IS yet to come.