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Showdown Between Katherine and MJ Estate

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~Souza~Topic starter

June 21, 2010, 02:12:12 PM Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

Showdown Between Katherine and MJ Estate
Originally posted 11 minutes ago by TMZ Staff

TMZ has learned Katherine Jackson has gone into multiple businesses with a man who promotes online nude gambling -- and the stage is now set for a showdown between Katherine and the Michael Jackson estate.

Katherine met Howard Mann five months ago. We're told she instantly liked him, began inviting him to her grandson's basketball games and other events, and then they started talking about publishing a book.

The book -- "Never Can Say Goodbye: The Katherine Jackson Archives" -- is being published this week and sold online at www.jacksonsecretvault.com.

But there's more. Mann tells us he and Katherine are producing a biopic on Katherine Jackson's life.  And he says they're going into business to sell 273 unreleased MJ tracks. Mann bought a storage locker owned by the Jackson family after they didn't pay the storage bill.  There was a treasure trove of stuff in the locker, including the 273 tracks, along with 19,800 photos.

But we've learned the Michael Jackson estate is drawing a line in the sand.  Estate lawyer Howard Weitzman tells TMZ, "Mr. Mann can listen to the tracks in his living room or play them at cocktail parties, but he has absolutely no right to the intellectual property and has no claim to the music."

http://www.tmz.com/2010/06/21/katherine ... ks-estate/

~Souza~Topic starter

June 21, 2010, 02:14:58 PM #1 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

LOL, another 273 songs Sony didn't get for their 250 million....


CC

June 21, 2010, 02:15:59 PM #2 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

Mr. Mann??
come on!!
the MAN is here!!! :lol:

Some men see things as they are and say: WHY?
I dream things that never were and say: WHY NOT?

~Souza~Topic starter

June 21, 2010, 02:20:48 PM #3 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

I can't help but think about all the laughs he must have sometimes with these stories and our interpretations.  :lol:


CC

June 21, 2010, 02:24:28 PM #4 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "~Souza~"

LOL, another 273 songs Sony didn't get for their 250 million....

lol :mrgreen:
Some men see things as they are and say: WHY?
I dream things that never were and say: WHY NOT?

Glinda

June 21, 2010, 02:24:54 PM #5 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

http://www.youtube.com/user/HenryVaccaro

The old owner...cough
His story is to find at his utubechannel.

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=11181#p187169 some funny video's here.


mjintrigue2012

June 21, 2010, 02:28:14 PM #6 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

My head is about to explode with all this info.  OK, Katherine has entered into publishing deal with this "nude gambling" guy (LOL).  The guy that interviewed her for the book was Marc Schaffel, an associate of MJ.  Wasn't this the fellow who was involved with gay pornography?  And reference to the storage locker.  Is this what this video, in http://jacksonsecretvault.com (Secret Vault - Backstory), is all about?


JukeBox

June 21, 2010, 03:09:07 PM #7 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
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Showdown Between Katherine and MJ Estate
Originally posted Jun 21st 2010 12.00 PM PDT by TMZ Staff

06/21/2010
6 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 1 = 12 --> 1 + 2 = 3

12.00 PM
1 + 2 = 3

273 tracks, 19,800 photos
2 + 7 + 3 = 12 --> 1 + 2 = 3
1 + 9 + 8 = 18 --> 1 + 8 = 9

333 and 9... all hoax numbers. any other ways to see this?


mmz

June 21, 2010, 03:12:11 PM #8 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

Kat in the blue dress is becoming more than a dejà-vu...  :D


cin_pyt

June 21, 2010, 03:25:44 PM #9 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

Mike I don't know but yes Souza I cannot think how much fun he must have he's like dude it's not all that you guys I got you researching everything all leading up to BAM. Mike you genius and no Mrs. Katherine is in no way this woman we are seeing posted on TMZ I don't believe it.


hesouttamylife

June 21, 2010, 03:52:14 PM #10 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

So  his name is Mr. Mann?  :lol:  :lol:  that's hilarious.

"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue."

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World...
   and leaving me Speechless!

"True goodbyes are the ones never said

Serenitys_Dream

June 21, 2010, 04:02:18 PM #11 Last Edit: June 21, 2010, 07:22:53 PM by Serenitys_Dream
Quote from: "~Souza~"

Showdown Between Katherine and MJ Estate
Originally posted Jun 21st 2010 12:00 PM PDT by TMZ Staff

TMZ has learned Katherine Jackson has gone into multiple businesses with a man who promotes online nude gambling -- and the stage is now set for a showdown between Katherine and the Michael Jackson estate.

Katherine met Howard Mann five months ago. We're told she instantly liked him, began inviting him to her grandson's basketball games and other events, and then they started talking about publishing a book.

The book -- "Never Can Say Goodbye: The Katherine Jackson Archives" -- is being published this week and sold online at http://www.jacksonsecretvault.com.

But there's more. Mann tells us he and Katherine are producing a biopic on Katherine Jackson's life.  And he says they're going into business to sell 273 unreleased MJ tracks. Mann bought a storage locker owned by the Jackson family after they didn't pay the storage bill.  There was a treasure trove of stuff in the locker, including the 273 tracks, along with 19,800 photos.

But we've learned the Michael Jackson estate is drawing a line in the sand.  Estate lawyer Howard Weitzman tells TMZ, "Mr. Mann can listen to the tracks in his living room or play them at cocktail parties, but he has absolutely no right to the intellectual property and has no claim to the music."

I have the DOTS figured out but I need to type it up but before I do I wanted to point out a few relevant things I see in this article.

Katherine is wearing Blue.
Blue is the coolest color - the color of the sky, ocean, sleep, twilight. The ancient Egyptians used lapis lazuli to represent heaven. Blue symbolizes the Virgin Mary. A pure blue is the color of inspiration, sincerity and spirituality. Blue is often the chosen color by conservative people. Blue is the calming color. Dark blue is the color of truth and moderation. A blue iris means your friendship is very important to me. Wednesday's color is blue. Lapis lazuli and azurite are said to heighten psychic power.

Blue Energy
Blue gives a feeling of distance. Artists use it to to show perspective. This is a good way to understand the energy of the color blue - it allows us to look beyond and increase our perspective outward. It contains a cool vibration that is helpful to communication.
http://crystal-cure.com/blue.html

Jun 21st 2010 12:00 PM
6 - 111 - 222
6 - 3 - 6

6 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 1  + 1 + 2 = 15, 1 + 5 = 6

273 tracks
2 + 7 + 3 = 12, 1 + 2 = 3

19,800 photos
1 + 9 + 8 = 18, 1 + 8 = 9

So we have 3, 6, 9 multiples of 3
add them together and you also end up with 9
so we also have the numbers tripled
333, 666, 999

The book--
"The Book" is a painting of Michael by Brett-Livingstone Strong. It is believed to be the only painting that Michael ever sat for. It contains a significant amount of symbolism. This painting that was recently up for sale on ebay and it did not sell.

Michael Jackson's portrait doesn't sell on eBay
May 7, 2010
A portrait of Michael Jackson that was up for auction on eBay.com did not sell. This 50?x40? portrait called "The Book" is believed to be the only portrait MJ ever posed for. It was painted by Australian artist Brett-Livingstone Strong.
"The Book" depicts Jackson, clad in a Renaissance-era red velvet jacket, seated amid a sweeping checkerboard floor underneath a magically translucent curtain at his Neverland  Ranch.

"I've had it an awful long time," said toy inventor Marty Abrams, who acquired the painting with partner John Gentilly in 1992 from Japanese businessman Hiromichi Saeki as payment on a debt owed to them. "With the positive response to his music and the movie about him after his death, we thought it was a good time to sell it and for the world to see it."

For over 17 years, Abrams kept the painting in storage in a New Jersey warehouse. It was briefly on display at the Dancy-Power Automotive showroom in Harlem after Jackson's death last June. The painting, which also features the fairy character Tinkerbell hovering in the background, is hanging inside Abrams' home in Kings Point, N.Y.

The painting was originally sold to Saeki for $2.1 million in 1990. Abrams said the painting was appraised by Belgo Fine Art Appraisal and Restoration at $5.3 million in 2000, but he believed it is worth more now. Abrams hoped it would fetch over $3 million in the auction. He claims there are several people interested in purchasing it but the minimum starting bid at $2.75 million may have been just too much for many interested investors.

It could be that people are also getting tired of seeing other profiting off the death of King of Pop.
http://michaeljacksonchitchat.com/michael-jacksons-portrait-doesnt-sell-on-ebay/

This painting has been shown hanging behind Tohme Tohme in a few articles.

Th book that is on Michael's lap must be significant because of all the things in this painting, "The Book" was chosen as it's title. If you look at this book, you see that there is a key embossed on it.

Key of Solomon
The Key of Solomon, in Latin Clavis Salomonis or Clavicula Salomonis, Hebrew Mafteah Shelomoh, is a grimoire, or book on magic, attributed to King Solomon, probably dating to the 14th to 15th century Italian Renaissance and presenting a typical example of Renaissance magic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_of_Solomon

The contents of this book are considered esoteric knowledge.
Esoteric Knowledge
Esoteric knowledge, in the dictionary, is thus that which is available only to a narrow circle of "enlightened", "initiated", or specially educated people.
In scholarly literature, the term designates a series of historically related religious currents including Gnosticism, Hermetism, magic, astrology, Kabbalah, Alchemy, Rosicrucianism, Vajrayana  Buddhism, the Christian Theosophy of Jacob Bohme and his followers, Illuminism, Mesmerism, Swedenborgianism, Spiritualism, and the theosophical currents associated with Helena Blavatsky and her followers. There are competing views regarding the common traits uniting these currents, not all of which involve "inwardness", mystery or secrecy as a crucial trait.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esotericism

Mann - Horace Mann, "The Father of American Education"
Horace Mann was an American  education reformer, and a member of the Massachusetts House of Representatives from 1827 to 1833. He served in the Massachusetts Senate from 1834-1837. In 1848, after serving as Secretary of the Massachusetts State Board of Education since its creation, he was elected to the US House of Representatives. Mann was a brother-in-law to author Nathaniel Hawthorne.
Education Reform
It was not until he was appointed secretary (1837) of the newly created board of education of Massachusetts (the first such position in the United States) that he began the work which was to place him in the foremost rank of American educationists. Surprisingly, at the time, he had no special interest in education.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horace_Mann

Please read more about this man as he shaped the educational system as we know it today and that has been done to make us conform and limit our ability to think for ourselves. Our education makes it hard for us to accept any new ideas or information which conflicts with what we have been "taught".

In statistics, the Mann–Whitney U test (also called the Mann–Whitney–Wilcoxon  (MWW), Wilcoxon rank-sum test, or Wilcoxon–Mann–Whitney  test) is a non-parametric test for assessing whether two independent samples of observations have equally large values. It is one of the best-known non-parametric significance tests.

A very general formulation is to assume that:
1. All the observations from both groups are independent of each other,
2. The responses are ordinal or continuous measurements (i.e. one can at least say, of any two observations, which is the greater),
3. Under the null hypothesis the probability of an observation from one population (X) exceeding an observation from the second population (Y) equals the probability of an observation from Y exceeding an observation from X, that is, there is a symmetry between populations with respect to probability of random drawing of a larger observation.
4. Under the alternative hypothesis the probability of an observation from one population (X) exceeding an observation from the second population (Y) (after correcting for ties) is not equal to 0.5. The alternative may also be stated in terms of a one-sided test, for example: P(X > Y) + 0.5 P(X = Y)  > 0.5.

The general null hypothesis of a symmetry between populations with respect of obtaining a larger observation is sometimes stated more narrowly as both populations having exactly the same distribution.

This last bolded/red portion suggests this is an answer to all the people who worried about what TS meant by a TEST. The test is not one we have to pass or fail but is instead a measurement of how well we are accepting the reasons behind the hoax.
In statistics you only need a small sample (number of people) to actually TEST to be able to gauge the response of the over all population.

I am just going to take a break and I will  post the DOTS for the capitalized letters. Need coffee and a smoke  :lol:


cin_pyt

June 21, 2010, 04:19:17 PM #12 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

WHOA SERENITY. :o GET YOUR STARBUCKS  ;)


JukeBox

June 21, 2010, 04:30:34 PM #13 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "Serenitys_Dream"

The general null hypothesis of a symmetry between populations with respect of obtaining a larger observation is sometimes stated more narrowly as both populations having exactly the same distribution.

This last bolded/red portion suggests this is an answer to all the people who worried about what TS meant by a TEST. The test is not one we have to pass or fail but is instead a measurement of how well we are accepting the reasons behind the hoax.
In statistics you only need a small sample (number of people) to actually TEST to be able to gauge the response of the over all population.

I am just going to take a break and I will  post the DOTS for the capitalized letters. Need coffee and a smoke  :lol:

Very brilliant thoughts there, Serenitys_Dream! in other words, are we believers reacting differently from the rest of the non-believer population, ie are we buying these stories, or have we learnt something over the past 1 year -- are we thinking for ourselves, verifying sources etc?

are non-believer fans going to buy this story as well? if Katherine didn't sell out her son when he 'was alive', how possible is it that she'd do it after 'his death'?


cin_pyt

June 21, 2010, 05:20:45 PM #14 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

the thing is this is a test, if we believe the lies about Mrs. Katherine, she would never ever do anything against her son and we know it. This is garbage, Mike we know your family backs you up no matter what. Granting interviews to the tabloids is part of the plan here and everything directed by the man himself. His family knows how much tabloids/media hurt him they're not gonna do this to Mike. Now, let's wait it out it's gonna get crazier Mike we know :lol:


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