Osama Bin Laden Is Dead

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Osama bin Laden: A dead nemesis perpetuated by the US government
Bin Laden's voice was detected regularly until [14 December 2001] by intelligence operatives monitoring radio transmissions in Tora Bora, according to the Pentagon [details]. Since then, nothing has been heard from the al-Qa'eda leader and President Bush has hinted in private that bin Laden's silence could mean he has been killed. [Telegraph, 12/28/2001]

Osama bin Laden is dead. The news first came from sources in Afghanistan and Pakistan almost six months ago: the fugitive died in December [2001] and was buried in the mountains of southeast Afghanistan. Pakistan's president, Pervez Musharraf, echoed the information. The remnants of Osama's gang, however, have mostly stayed silent, either to keep Osama's ghost alive or because they have no means of communication.   Click for full sized image

With an ego the size of Mount Everest, Osama bin Laden would not have, could not have, remained silent for so long if he were still alive. He always liked to take credit even for things he had nothing to do with. Would he remain silent for nine months and not trumpet his own survival? [New York Times. July 11, 2002]

Bin Laden has often been reported to be in poor health. Some accounts claim that he is suffering from Hepatitis C, and can expect to live for only two more years. According to Le Figaro, last year [2000] he ordered a mobile dialysis machine to be delivered to his base at Kandahar in Afghanistan. [Guardian]

Peter Bergen: Bin Laden has aged 'enormously'
This is a man who was clearly not well. I mean, as you see from these pictures here, he's really, by December [2001] he's looking pretty terrible.


Healthy bin Laden


Bin Laden December 27, 2001 video

But by December, of course, that tape that was aired then, he's barely moving the left side of his body. So he's clearly got diabetes. He has low blood pressure. He's got a wound in his foot. He's apparently got dialysis ... for kidney problems. [CNN]

The [December 27, 2001 video] was dismissed by the Bush administration ... as sick propaganda possibly designed to mask the fact the al-Qa'eda leader was already dead. "He could have made the video and then ordered that it be released in the event of his death," said one White House aide. [Telegraph]

Pakistan's Musharraf: Bin Laden probably dead
Pakistan's president says he thinks Osama bin Laden is most likely dead because the suspected terrorist has been unable to get treatment for his kidney disease.

[A Bush administration official] said U.S. intelligence is that bin Laden needs dialysis every three days and "it is fairly obvious that that could be an issue when you are running from place to place, and facing the idea of needing to generate electricity in a mountain hideout." [CNN]

Renal dialysis -- talking about hemodialysis -- is something that really is reserved for patients in end-stage renal failure. That means their kidneys have just completely shut down. The most common cause of something like that would be something like diabetes and hypertension. Once that's happened, if you're separated from your dialysis machine -- and incidentally, dialysis machines require electricity, they're going to require clean water, they're going to require a sterile setting -- infection is a huge risk with that. If you don't have all those things and a functioning dialysis machine, it's unlikely that you'd survive beyond several days or a week at the most. [CNN]

Karzai: bin Laden 'probably' dead

Osama bin Laden is "probably" dead, but former Taliban leader Mullah Omar is alive, Afghan President Hamid Karzai has said. [CNN]

FBI: Bin Laden 'probably' dead

The US Federal Bureau of Investigation's counter-terrorism chief, Dale Watson, says he thinks Osama bin Laden is "probably" dead. [BBC]

Magazine runs what it calls bin Laden's will
The editor-in-chief of a London-based Arab news magazine said a purported will it published Saturday was written late last year [2001] by Osama bin Laden, and shows "he's dying or he's going to die soon." [CNN]
Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader. "The Coalition troops are engaged in a mad search operation but they would never be able to fulfill their cherished goal of getting Usama alive or dead," the source said. [FOX News]

Translation of Funeral Article in Egyptian Paper:
al-Wafd, Wednesday, December 26, 2001 Vol 15 No 4633

News of Bin Laden's Death and Funeral 10 days ago


A prominent official in the Afghan Taleban movement announced yesterday the death of Osama bin Laden, the chief of al-Qa'da organization, stating that binLaden suffered serious complications in the lungs and died a natural and quiet death. [Welfare State]

Osama bin who?

Israel does not view bin Laden as a threat. [Janes]

Israeli intelligence: Bin Laden is dead, heir has been chosen

Israeli sources said Israel and the United States assess that Bin Laden probably died in the U.S. military campaign in Afghanistan in December. They said the emergence of new messages by Bin Laden are probably fabrications, Middle East Newsline reported. [World Tribune]

When you hear a threat which is "probably" made by bin Laden, just remember that he's "probably" dead.

Also think about who benefits from your believing he's alive

"Osama bin Laden"

Fitter than ever in 2004

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The Fake bin Laden Audio Tape
10/16/2002: Israeli sources said Israel and the United States assess that Bin Laden probably died in the U.S. military campaign in Afghanistan in December. They said the emergence of new messages by Bin Laden are probably fabrications, Middle East Newsline reported. [World Tribune]



11/19/2002: Bin Laden Tape Is Genuine, U.S. Experts Conclude
United States intelligence officials have concluded that a recently recorded audiotape that was broadcast on an Arab television network last week is genuine and contains the voice of Osama bin Laden, apparently ending months of debate in the government over whether the elusive terrorist leader is still alive. [New York Times]

11/30/2002: Swiss scientists: "The recording is a fake"
Scientists in Switzerland say they are almost certain that an audio tape attributed to Osama bin Laden is a fake. ... Researchers at the Dalle Molle Institute for Perceptual Artificial Intelligence, in Lausanne, believe the message was recorded by an impostor.

In a study commissioned by France 2 television, researchers built a computer model of Bin Laden's voice, based on an hour of genuine recordings. Using voice recognition systems being developed for banking security, they tested the model against 20 known recordings of Bin Laden. The system correctly identified his voice in 19 of them.

This meant there was only a 5% risk of error in their conclusion that the latest tape is a fake, Professor Hervé Bourlard, the institute's director, told the Guardian yesterday. [Guardian]

12/2/2003: Swiss Scientists: "Oops. We won't verify other tapes"
Swiss researchers who last November analysed a tape attributed to Osama bin Laden say they won’t be scrutinising the latest recording broadcast by the Arabic television network, Al-Jazeera. The Swiss analysts said the previous tape was almost certainly faked, despite US claims to the contrary. The Dalle Molle Institute for Perceptual Artificial Intelligence (Idiap) in Martigny told swissinfo on Wednesday that it had no intention of analysing the latest tape. [swissinfo]

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Prophetic words, 17 December, 2003: Madeleine Albright: Bush Planning Bin Laden October Surprise
Wednesday, Dec. 17, 2003 1:22 a.m. EST
Madeleine Albright: Bush Planning Bin Laden October Surprise
It was bad enough on Monday when Washington state Congressman "Baghdad" Jim McDermott suggested that President Bush could have captured Saddam Hussein long ago, but moved only when the news would have had maximum political effect.
But now, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright is telling reporters that the Bush administration may already have captured Osama bin Laden and will release the news just before next year's presidential election.
On Fox News Channel's "Special Report with Brit Hume," Roll Call reporter Morton Kondracke recounted Albright's comments to him during an encounter before Tuesday night's broadcast, while she was waiting in the green room to appear on another show.
Kondracke said the former Clinton official approached him and asked, "Do you suppose that the Bush administration has Osama bin Laden hidden away somewhere and will bring him out before the election?"
Kondracke said that Albright didn't seem to be joking, explaining, "She was not smiling."
He shot back, "You can't seriously believe that."
Albright replied that she thought a bin Laden October Surprise orchestrated by Bush was "a possibility."
Reacting to Albright's bizarre outburst, former Reagan administration drug czar Bill Bennett told Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes": "It's nuts. It's staggering. It's paranoid.
"Maybe this is the style of thinking she'd grown accustomed to in the Clinton administration," he added. "Shame on her for saying that, as a former secretary of state of the United States."
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The Fake 2004 Bin Laden Video Tape
Bin Laden video threatens America
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Close (closer than the last phony) but no cigar. Note the shape of the cheeks and the width of the nose.
His arms and hands are in view and appear uninjured, whereas it was reported that the real Osama's left arm was severely injured at Tora Bora.







The genuine bin Laden's last video appearance was late in 2001:
"The big difference is that he's aged enormously between '97 and October of last year [2001]. ... So he's clearly got diabetes. He has low blood pressure. He's got a wound in his foot. He's apparently got dialysis ... for kidney problems." [CNN 2/1/2002]

Bin Laden's beard was much whiter than on Nov 3, the last time al-Jazeera broadcast a video of him, and he appeared much older than his 44 years. Lack of sunlight and a poor diet seemed to have taken a toll on him. [Telegraph 12/28/2001]

Bin Laden "aged enormously" between 1997 & 2001 due to kidney problems, lack of sunlight and a poor diet, but between 2001 & 2004 he "unaged". Truly amazing.

President Bush said of the 2004 tape...
"Let me make this very clear. Americans will not be intimidated or influenced by an enemy of our country. I'm sure Senator Kerry agrees with this."  The American people were at war and would prevail, he said. [BBC News]

...this is somewhat different to the Bush administration's response to the genuine bin Laden video released in 2001:
The recording was dismissed by the Bush administration yesterday as sick propaganda possibly designed to mask the fact the al-Qa'eda leader was already dead. "He could have made the video and then ordered that it be released in the event of his death," said one White House aide. [Telegraph]

The 2004 video certainly helped Bush's election poll numbers:
President Bush has opened a six-point lead over John Kerry in the first opinion poll to include sampling taken after the new Osama bin Laden videotape was broadcast on Friday night. [Telegraph 10/31/04]

Even Walter Cronkite found the video incredibly convenient for the Bush administration.

Consider this: if this was the real Osama, didn't his appearance prove that Bush has wasted two hundred billion dollars and a thousand American lives (plus 100,000 Iraqi lives) without making us any safer from Osama? If the 2004 tape were genuine, wouldn't it prove that Bush is a total failure in his own "war on terror"?

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[RK]

Bush was the greatest terrorist in the world during his reign of terror.

[Sarahli]

Yes Osama is dead but his ghost is still there haunting the walls of the CIA. The US Gov uses Obama oops Osama as a scarecrow that they agitate in the medias to raise fear and hate in the houses againt the nasty arabs.
This is one of the most ridicule things I've ever seen and heard. These tapes are a monumental fraud. They make believe to the world that the guy is still alive and perpetrate crimes in the name of freedom.
In a way it shows us how far they are capable to go in order to achieve their goals. Ridicule doesn't kill guns do that's for sure.

[ejay]

Bush was the greatest terrorist in the world during his reign of terror.

My thoughts exactly! What a mess the sadist created.  :x

[goodgirl]

Good to see more and more people are getting the truth.........

[voiceforthesilent]

Oh my - have you seen Bin Laden to know if he's dead or alive? Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. Maybe it's a ploy. Who really knows? Please, be wise as an owl and gentle as a dove. Blessings.

[Serenitys_Dream]

Good to see more and more people are getting the truth.........

I am not getting the truth. I got it a long time time ago.   8-)

[Sarahli]

Oh my - have you seen Bin Laden to know if he's dead or alive? Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. Maybe it's a ploy. Who really knows? Please, be wise as an owl and gentle as a dove. Blessings.

Indeed we have not seen his dead body but there are more elements proving he's dead than that he's alive. Now dead or alive the man is used as a scarecrow and the result is the same.

[Serenitys_Dream]

Oh my - have you seen Bin Laden to know if he's dead or alive? Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. Maybe it's a ploy. Who really knows? Please, be wise as an owl and gentle as a dove. Blessings.

The most likely reason that it is so hard to accept that 911 and many other "Conspiracy Theories" are not being widely accepted can be attributed to Cognitive Dissonance

Cognitive dissonance is an uncomfortable feeling caused by holding two contradictory ideas simultaneously. The theory of cognitive dissonance proposes that people have a motivational drive to reduce dissonance by changing their attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors, or by justifying or rationalizing them. It is one of the most influential and extensively studied theories in social psychology.

Dissonance occurs when a person perceives a logical inconsistency in their beliefs, when one idea implies the opposite of another. The dissonance might be experienced as guilt, anger, frustration, or even embarrassment. The idea of "sour grapes"—from the fable The Fox and the Grapes by Aesop (ca. 620–564 BCE), where in order to resolve the cognitive dissonance, the fox decides that the grapes he is unable to reach are probably not ripe enough to eat anyway. This illustrates an example of cognitive dissonance: desiring something, then criticizing it because it proves unattainable, a phenomenon that Jon Elster calls "adaptive preference formation."

A powerful cause of dissonance is an idea in conflict with a fundamental element of the self-concept, such as "I am a good person" or "I made the right decision." The anxiety that comes with the possibility of having made a bad decision can lead to rationalization, the tendency to create additional reasons or justifications to support one's choices. A person who just spent too much money on a new car might decide that the new vehicle is much less likely to break down than his or her old car. This belief may or may not be true, but it would reduce dissonance and make the person feel better. Dissonance can also lead to confirmation bias, the denial of dis-confirming evidence, and other ego defense mechanisms.
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[voiceforthesilent]

Oh my - have you seen Bin Laden to know if he's dead or alive? Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. Maybe it's a ploy. Who really knows? Please, be wise as an owl and gentle as a dove. Blessings.

The most likely reason that it is so hard to accept that 911 and many other "Conspiracy Theories" are not being widely accepted can be attributed to Cognitive Dissonance

Cognitive dissonance is an uncomfortable feeling caused by holding two contradictory ideas simultaneously. The theory of cognitive dissonance proposes that people have a motivational drive to reduce dissonance by changing their attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors, or by justifying or rationalizing them. It is one of the most influential and extensively studied theories in social psychology.

Dissonance occurs when a person perceives a logical inconsistency in their beliefs, when one idea implies the opposite of another. The dissonance might be experienced as guilt, anger, frustration, or even embarrassment. The idea of "sour grapes"—from the fable The Fox and the Grapes by Aesop (ca. 620–564 BCE), where in order to resolve the cognitive dissonance, the fox decides that the grapes he is unable to reach are probably not ripe enough to eat anyway. This illustrates an example of cognitive dissonance: desiring something, then criticizing it because it proves unattainable, a phenomenon that Jon Elster calls "adaptive preference formation."

A powerful cause of dissonance is an idea in conflict with a fundamental element of the self-concept, such as "I am a good person" or "I made the right decision." The anxiety that comes with the possibility of having made a bad decision can lead to rationalization, the tendency to create additional reasons or justifications to support one's choices. A person who just spent too much money on a new car might decide that the new vehicle is much less likely to break down than his or her old car. This belief may or may not be true, but it would reduce dissonance and make the person feel better. Dissonance can also lead to confirmation bias, the denial of dis-confirming evidence, and other ego defense mechanisms.
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Please don't diagnose what I may or may not believe. That is not nice. I am quite capable of doing that all by my self. All I am saying is that people need to be careful of what they push on others as truth because it may not be truth at all. If it's not truth than what you are doing is no better than the tabloids that push their slanted agendas in order for others (who may be less willing to do their own research and come to their own conclusions) to grasp on to. I'm not saying that is the case here but I am saying that it happens a lot. And no more responses to my comment either please. Thank you.

[Serenitys_Dream]

Oh my - have you seen Bin Laden to know if he's dead or alive? Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. Maybe it's a ploy. Who really knows? Please, be wise as an owl and gentle as a dove. Blessings.

The most likely reason that it is so hard to accept that 911 and many other "Conspiracy Theories" are not being widely accepted can be attributed to Cognitive Dissonance

Cognitive dissonance is an uncomfortable feeling caused by holding two contradictory ideas simultaneously. The theory of cognitive dissonance proposes that people have a motivational drive to reduce dissonance by changing their attitudes, beliefs, and behaviors, or by justifying or rationalizing them. It is one of the most influential and extensively studied theories in social psychology.

Dissonance occurs when a person perceives a logical inconsistency in their beliefs, when one idea implies the opposite of another. The dissonance might be experienced as guilt, anger, frustration, or even embarrassment. The idea of "sour grapes"—from the fable The Fox and the Grapes by Aesop (ca. 620–564 BCE), where in order to resolve the cognitive dissonance, the fox decides that the grapes he is unable to reach are probably not ripe enough to eat anyway. This illustrates an example of cognitive dissonance: desiring something, then criticizing it because it proves unattainable, a phenomenon that Jon Elster calls "adaptive preference formation."

A powerful cause of dissonance is an idea in conflict with a fundamental element of the self-concept, such as "I am a good person" or "I made the right decision." The anxiety that comes with the possibility of having made a bad decision can lead to rationalization, the tendency to create additional reasons or justifications to support one's choices. A person who just spent too much money on a new car might decide that the new vehicle is much less likely to break down than his or her old car. This belief may or may not be true, but it would reduce dissonance and make the person feel better. Dissonance can also lead to confirmation bias, the denial of dis-confirming evidence, and other ego defense mechanisms.
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Please don't diagnose what I may or may not believe. That is not nice. I am quite capable of doing that all by my self. All I am saying is that people need to be careful of what they push on others as truth because it may not be truth at all. If it's not truth than what you are doing is no better than the tabloids that push their slanted agendas in order for others (who may be less willing to do their own research and come to their own conclusions) to grasp on to. I'm not saying that is the case here but I am saying that it happens a lot. And no more responses to my comment either please. Thank you.

I am presenting the truth, I have given multiple links to multiple sources in every single post.
What would be my agenda? What have I to gain?
In actuality, I am receiving more negativity and ridicule so how is that gaining anything?
Maybe I honestly care and realize that we are headed into a nightmare unless we, together, become proactive and knowledgeable about what has really been going on.

I personally would be extremely happy if people researched for themselves and came to their own conclusions. Providing information and my opinion, after extensive research, is not trying to make anyone believe anything but prompting others to research for themselves or provide evidence which counters the evidence in the links I have already provided.

I am not diagnosing anyone or what they believe. I made a general statement, backed by extensive research as to why many people can not accept that 911 was not as it has been presented to the public and other theories such as Bin Laden is dead are not accepted, even when presented with extensive evidence contradicting the official story.
Cognitive dissonance is one of the most influential and extensively studied theories in social psychology.

This is a discussion board, one makes a comment and then another responds. You are free to disagree with any comment but expect a comment in response. If you do not want a response to your comment than simply don't comment and you won't receive one.

[goodgirl]

@ Serenity_Dream, i meant for the others,  i read ur comments under my posts, i know we are on the same page on this one...

@ voiceofthesilent, may be he's alive then maybe 9/11 was not an inside job ?  maybe Saddam had mass weapon of destruction ?  maybe Bush did the right thing ? maybe all these wars are for a good cause ? ( not for oil ? ) maybe Israel is doing a great job ?  maybe NWO is a lie ?  maybe illuminati is just a joke ?  maybe Michael did die on 25th june ? just maybe who knows............. let's watch TV and believe what media is feeding us and forget what Michael wants us to see.........

[PureLove]

What do u guys think about Saddam? Was the real Saddam really executed or was it a double too?