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Info for the newbies part 2 (Last will-FBIfile)-PLEASE CHECK

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Please keep in mind that this is a summary. I decided to leave things out, because otherwise we would risk that people think it's too much to read. Mike's message is the most important, this is just to get people think and doubt.


On July 1st we are provided (again by TMZ) with Michael's last will. The first page states the following:



A few things are off already. First of all his middle name states 'Joseph'. Although most people think that Joseph is his middle name, the indictment of the child molestation case in 2003 states something else:



Listen to the verdict on June 13, 2005:

[youtube:17brztbj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq0ninSg86s[/youtube:17brztbj]

Then we have two copies of his passports, both stating Michael Joe Jackson:



Legal documents that clearly state Michael Joe Jackson and a judge reading the verdict to Michael Joe Jackson. According to this we may assume his true legal name is Michael Joe Jackson. So why does the will say Joseph?

Another thing is the names of the kids. Although the birth certificates of the complete Jackson family are sealed, TMZ (there they are again) obtained the birth certificates of Michael's children:

Prince


According to the birth certificate, Prince's name is Michael Joseph Jackson JR., yet the will says his name is Prince Michael Jackson, JR.

Paris


According to the birth certificate, Paris' name is Paris-Michael Katherine Jackson, yet the will says his name is Paris Michael Katherine Jackson, without the -.

Blanket


According to the birth certificate, Blanket's name is Prince Michael Jackson, II, yet the will says his name is Prince Michael Joseph Jackson, II.

So what is wrong here? Did Michael Jackson forget how he named his children and did the two executors forgot to check as well? And are the birth certificates real? The name of the father is listed as Michael Joseph Jackson, and we just learned his legal name is Michael Joe Jackson.



Signed July 7, 2002, exactly 7 years before the memorial. The number 7 will pop up a lot of times in this story. According to Randy Jackson, the signature on the will is not Michael's. Conclusion must be that the will is a fake.

You may think now that he would be in major trouble if he faked his death, because these are fake documents. But a fake of a fake is not fraud. You should also know that Michael's life insurance wasn't paid out, it was cashed in. You can cash in a life insurance while you are alive. And last but not least: government parties must be aware of this, since they have to know his legal name and they have to know that the released documents are fake. If he has the FBI on his side, a lot can be done.


The memorial was held at July 7, 2009. Seven years after the will was signed. The first weird thing was the circus:



TMZ reports:
"Like Michael Jackson's memorial couldn't get any crazier -- Ringling Bros. and Barnum and Bailey continued an L.A. tradition this morning by parading their elephants through downtown ... to the Staples Center."

Quote"Phineas Taylor Barnum (July 5, 1810 – April 7, 1891) was an American showman, businessman, and entertainer, remembered for promoting celebrated hoaxes and for founding the circus that became the Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus."
Source: Wikipedia.org

Michael is a fan of Barnum. Was it a coincidence that the Barnum circus was there? Maybe, but there are too many coincidences in this story to be a coincidence. With numerology the coincidences can even be debunked, more about that later.

The memorial program:



"A celebration of the LIFE of Michael Jackson"

So let the circus begin! First we have to wait a long time before it begins. As the casket is brought in, the choir begins to sing:

[youtube:17brztbj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSTwdbvLVeg&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:17brztbj]

"Soon and very soon, we are going to see the king"

Somewhere halfway through Jennifer Hudson performs "Will you be there".

[youtube:17brztbj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_RZekkyx1w&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:17brztbj]

The spoken words in the song are done by Michael himself, yet a small snippet was changed. In the original lyrics and every recording available, the lyrics are: "In my anguish and my pain". Yet in this version it is "In my anguish and my painS". The family might have used a recording we don't know about, yet if that recording is of such low quality, it wouldn't make sense.

Jermaine performs "Smile", but he 'screws up' big time.

[youtube:17brztbj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXnahc8PazQ&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:17brztbj]

Instead of "Light up your face with gladness – Hide every trace of sadness" he sings "Light up your face with sadness – Hide every trace of gladness" without blinking.

Kenny Ortega makes a nice slip up as well:

[youtube:17brztbj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwtBcyiqkoM&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:17brztbj]

"We were here, we were right here a little less than a week ago and Michael was with us."
Michael was 'dead' a little less than a week ago...

There was a total lack of emotions from the family and the kids even looked pretty bored while chewing gum. Even though they were trying, we haven't seen one tear, not even by Paris. And why the dark sunglasses? To hide the tears, or to hide the lack of tears?

On the screen at the end they showed us this picture:



This is a picture of Liberian Girl. For those who don't know the clip: The clip was shot while people were waiting for Michael. At the end he appears, showing that he was directing behind the scenes all along.

[youtube:17brztbj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sF7HLqS7SY[/youtube:17brztbj]


On July 7 TMZ comes up with the following article:



Pointing out the 7's in Michael's life. Like we told you before, the 7's will pop up quite a few times.


Also leaked on July 7 is the Death Certificate:


http://www.aolcdn.com/tmz_documents/070 ... sed_wm.pdf

The deceased on this document: Michael Joseph Jackson. Since we learned already that his legal name is Michael Joe Jackson (which means this name has to be mentioned on the Death Certificate as well, besides aliases) we know this is again a fake of a fake.


On July 16 an unreleased song was leaked called "A Place with no name". As of today, there is still no name on the crypt in the Grand Mausoleum where he is supposed to be buried.

[youtube:17brztbj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=me-WRF5XnTY&feature=related[/youtube:17brztbj]


On August 18th we get to see Dr. Murray for the first time. The good ol' doc made a video for his few patients and published it on YouTube.

[youtube:17brztbj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0PHHx3NQcA[/youtube:17brztbj]

Instead of sending his patients a letter, this doctor decides to hire a camera man to film him in HD so he can inform his patients on YouTube. You can say whatever you want, but this is just plain weird.


On august 25 we have the first "could he still be alive?" report. A video is shown on German television showing (someone that looks like) Michael Jackson jumping out of a coroner's van.


http://www.tmz.com/2009/08/25/michael-j ... ive-video/

A fake? Probably, but a lot of people searched the internet back then, ending up investigating this and most of them are still here. Mission accomplished.


September 3rd, Michael will finally be buried. Although he is supposedly dead for more than 2 months, LaToya says he looked great in his casket. Same scenario as with the memorial, the guests have to wait for Michael... until it's dark.

[youtube:17brztbj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A-h8EVzbzs&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:17brztbj]

The picture displayed: Liberian Girl...



Say cheese!

Now here is Forest Lawn seen from above:



But if we look at this screenshot, we see more trees and a complete different road.



In this shot we see a lamp reflected in the car which is used in films to create daylight inside a studio:



Yet if we look at the helicopter footage (having helicopter footage is weird by itself, since there was a no-fly zone there that day) we can see the same lamp, floating way too high to be reflected in the car window. Besides that, how is it possible that lamp is even hanging there and on what?


[youtube:17brztbj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LoTWVvGl6I&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:17brztbj]

Here is one of the sets in Culver, where Michael (according to reports) wrapped some footage just before he died. You do the math...




During the burial, Larry King had a quite interesting guest, long time Michael Jackson friend Dave Dave:

[youtube:17brztbj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En5Q4syywcw[/youtube:17brztbj]

Here is Dave Dave on Larry King compared to the real Dave.

[youtube:17brztbj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXq-gwSngfE[/youtube:17brztbj]

Why wouldn't Dave speak up about it now that it has gone all over the internet and even television? Dave works for Michael.


October 11th, the song This is It leaks.

[youtube:17brztbj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rVRjLPObBs[/youtube:17brztbj]

It's the second time an unreleased song was leaked, while the only ones in possession of the songs are the family and Sony has some in their vault.  Sony wouldn't leak it, because Sony wants to make money. If people can download it before the release, the sales go down. So it must have been leaked by the family.
It is clear that this isn't a recent song (which is later confirmed). It's also not complete, some lyrics are incomplete. This is probably an old demo.

On October 28th the documentary "Michael Jackson's This is It" premieres. The movie is full of MJ doubles, as Joe Jackson already revealed a few weeks before.  Some might disagree, but if you look at this picture below, you must admit that something is off.



The very beginning:

[youtube:17brztbj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GooyC24NOdY&feature=related[/youtube:17brztbj]

"And piece by piece by piece, MJ is revealed until he drops out."

In the new Smooth Criminal clip we can see Rita Hayworth in a scene from "Gilda". The actor who played the character who faked his death was born at the same day and month as Michael.

There are many things in the movie we would like to point out, but if you are completely new to the hoax, it might be hard to understand all at once.

If you didn't wait until after the credits of the movie, you might have missed this:

[youtube:17brztbj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsvOkgnJhQ4[/youtube:17brztbj]

"Let me breathe in my own time when I come back in. I'm gonna button my shirt, check in on this. I'm gonna look around a bit, play with them, snap my finger and maybe then BAM!"

Besides this, there was no "RIP Michael Jackson", no mention of his death at all.


December 22, 2009. With a one day delay the FBI releases Michael Jackson's file. The 333 page file proves Michael's innocence. Download the FBI file here: http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/blog/fbifiles.rar

  Link

wendst6

May 21, 2010, 02:03:46 PM #15 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote

Also, look at Debbie Rowes middle name is spelled differently on Paris and Prince birth cert!!

This video is in German, but you can clearly see the different middle name on the Birth Certificate and the last will.

0.30

[youtube:x1vs9ukj]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5QIrQmsSCI[/youtube:x1vs9ukj]


scorpionchik

May 21, 2010, 08:48:00 PM #16 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "michaelsupporter"

Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"

Quote from: "*Mo*"

Quote from: "scorpionchik"

"You should also know that Michael's life insurance wasn't paid out, it was cashed in. You can cash in a life insurance while you are alive".

How do you know for sure whether or not Michael had/has life insurance and it was not paid out? Would be good to have that source. There are many different type of Life insurance policies.Only couple of them have cash back option but policy must meet certain time period to accumulate that cash to get back.

Harvey confirmed that Mike's life insurance was cashed in months ago during a Live Stream.
Didnt Thome Thome have $5 million he said he was holding for MJ that he "gave back"?
Yes, as I recall, Thome Thome returned $5 million he claims was to be used for the house in Las Vegas that MJ was looking to purchase.

Also, speaking of a life insurance policy..........and correct me if I am wrong.....but one can cash out a whole life policy at any time (one need not be dead to do so).

One of many types of whole life. But the point now in that if Harley confirmed life policy was claimed, it is bad news. Here is why; it means  Michael is really passed and beneficiary claimed for life policy, because if Michael officialy announced and admitted dead and he claims to get accumulated cash as alive person, he will never get money. Insurance companies looking for any reasons not to pay and this would be an ideal reason to reject. But if Michael is alive and beneficiary claimed for money and got them, Michael cannot  ever return, you know that this is an insurance fraud. Either way, it is not good if life policy was claimed and paid. I did know about this.
EndlesslovetoMJ

MO_1219

May 23, 2010, 04:40:56 AM #17 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

I don't know why this PDF file middle name is JOSEPH....

http://heeheeshamone.com/032205mjmemospprtobj.pdf


*Mo*

May 23, 2010, 04:52:59 AM #18 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "scorpionchik"

Quote from: "michaelsupporter"

Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"

Quote from: "*Mo*"

Quote from: "scorpionchik"

"You should also know that Michael's life insurance wasn't paid out, it was cashed in. You can cash in a life insurance while you are alive".

How do you know for sure whether or not Michael had/has life insurance and it was not paid out? Would be good to have that source. There are many different type of Life insurance policies.Only couple of them have cash back option but policy must meet certain time period to accumulate that cash to get back.

Harvey confirmed that Mike's life insurance was cashed in months ago during a Live Stream.
Didnt Thome Thome have $5 million he said he was holding for MJ that he "gave back"?
Yes, as I recall, Thome Thome returned $5 million he claims was to be used for the house in Las Vegas that MJ was looking to purchase.

Also, speaking of a life insurance policy..........and correct me if I am wrong.....but one can cash out a whole life policy at any time (one need not be dead to do so).

One of many types of whole life. But the point now in that if Harley confirmed life policy was claimed, it is bad news. Here is why; it means  Michael is really passed and beneficiary claimed for life policy, because if Michael officialy announced and admitted dead and he claims to get accumulated cash as alive person, he will never get money. Insurance companies looking for any reasons not to pay and this would be an ideal reason to reject. But if Michael is alive and beneficiary claimed for money and got them, Michael cannot  ever return, you know that this is an insurance fraud. Either way, it is not good if life policy was claimed and paid. I did know about this.
Wrong. There's a huge difference between cashing in and paying out.  There's nothing illegal about cashing in on a life insurance policy when a person is still alive.  Problems would rise had it been payed out while Mike still being alive.  Since that's not the case no fraud was committed, so Mike can return without any problems.

Elsa

May 23, 2010, 11:41:21 AM #19 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

Coroner's Van
RTL made a video claiming they hoaxed the original Coroner's van video but the two didn't match.
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=7969&p=132768&hilit=RTL+VAN#p132768

In THIS IS IT:

Near the beginning of TII the camera takes you down through the trusses like your going down a long tunnel or um hole and at the end you see the red flow out of the THIS IS IT turning it to white and then the red flows back in again.     ;)

In the credits of TII:

Companion Album Produced by Michael Jackson and John McClain

So the Album was ready before 06-25-09?  Or is Michael Jackson credited as a producer of the songs on the album.  Is that the same as producing the album?

Then there is the line on the back cover of the Album:   Always great to sing with my brother

Also in the credits of TII -way down after crediting all the songs, old movies, Popeye character, the '©2009 THE MICHAEL JACKSON COMPANY, LLC...':

'THE MICHAEL JACKSON COMPANY Wish to Thank the Following...
AND A VERY SPECIAL THANKS TO...
The AEG Producers Wish to Thank the Following...Additional Thanks to...
AND EVERYONE...
Live Show ...'

then

'MICHAEL JACKSON wanted to thank the Choreographers who collaborated with him on past works...' :shock:

The Bam Scene

The subtitles in my version read 'Let me bathe in my own time when I come back in. I'm gonna button my shirt or my jacket or whatever it is.  I'm gonna look around a little bit, play with them.  Snap my fingers maybe, then bam!'

For me this connects  'when I come back in' to 'just bathe in the moonlight' (scene selections 11) and indicates a return near a full moon (Thriller, Ghosts, the burial at a full moon etc.)

I understand you don't want to overload the newbies but maybe a separate Part for TII and the activities of the key players since the memorial:  Jermaine at the TII premiere and on Australian radio, Kenny on Oprah, Janet explaining why she was smiling in an interview, Paris speech at The Grammy's, The Jacksons A Family Dynasty, Twitter, the man in the mask- when the children were out with Elizabeth Taylor.

Also Hatman, Blond lady, Green man?


scorpionchik

May 23, 2010, 04:45:42 PM #20 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest
Quote from: "*Mo*"

Quote from: "scorpionchik"

Quote from: "michaelsupporter"

Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"

Quote from: "*Mo*"

Quote from: "scorpionchik"

"You should also know that Michael's life insurance wasn't paid out, it was cashed in. You can cash in a life insurance while you are alive".

How do you know for sure whether or not Michael had/has life insurance and it was not paid out? Would be good to have that source. There are many different type of Life insurance policies.Only couple of them have cash back option but policy must meet certain time period to accumulate that cash to get back.

Harvey confirmed that Mike's life insurance was cashed in months ago during a Live Stream.
Didnt Thome Thome have $5 million he said he was holding for MJ that he "gave back"?
Yes, as I recall, Thome Thome returned $5 million he claims was to be used for the house in Las Vegas that MJ was looking to purchase.

Also, speaking of a life insurance policy..........and correct me if I am wrong.....but one can cash out a whole life policy at any time (one need not be dead to do so).

One of many types of whole life. But the point now in that if Harley confirmed life policy was claimed, it is bad news. Here is why; it means  Michael is really passed and beneficiary claimed for life policy, because if Michael officialy announced and admitted dead and he claims to get accumulated cash as alive person, he will never get money. Insurance companies looking for any reasons not to pay and this would be an ideal reason to reject. But if Michael is alive and beneficiary claimed for money and got them, Michael cannot  ever return, you know that this is an insurance fraud. Either way, it is not good if life policy was claimed and paid. I did know about this.
Wrong. There's a huge difference between cashing in and paying out.  There's nothing illegal about cashing in on a life insurance policy when a person is still alive.  Problems would rise had it been payed out while Mike still being alive.  Since that's not the case no fraud was committed, so Mike can return without any problems.
MO, you did not get my point. It is not about cash in or pay out. If Michael announced dead, he cannot cliam as alive person and cash in life policy. Unless he cashed in before June 25,2009. Insurance company will ask him to prove that he is really  Michael Jackson, it would be very complicated, almost impossible to get that money. But if beneficiary cashed in or get paid off money (depends on specific policy provisions) , then it can happen only if Michael is really dead, otherwise it is considered fraud.
EndlesslovetoMJ

hesouttamylife

May 23, 2010, 06:32:01 PM #21 Last Edit: May 23, 2010, 06:56:18 PM by hesouttamylife

I am no expert, but in my opinion, common sense would say that if the family "cashed out" the policy, then Michael is not dead.  The difference between a cash out and the face value is huge.  If he were dead, certainly they would have applied for the face value of the policy.  One light bulb reason I believe this is a hoax.  Michael or anyone holding power of attorney to act on his behalf could definitely sign off on documents such as these.  The MAIN reason to cash in a policy rather that get a full settlement is because it is no longer needed.

Here is what Michael's will said:  "I give my entire estate to the Trustee or Trustees then acting under that certain Amended and Restated Declaration of Trust executed on March 22, 2002 by me as Trustee and Trustor which is called the MICHAEL JACKSON FAMILY TRUST giving effect to any amendments thereto made prior to my death. All such assets shall be held managed and distributed as a part of said Trust according to its terms and not as a separate testamentary trust."

If I am correct, that would include his insurance.  If he had died, the face value of the policy would have been payable to the Estate.  However, apparently, that didn't happen.  Why?  You tell me.

Revocable Living Trusts don't "die" when you do. The trust "lives on" under the direction of the successor trustee, therefore the trustee(s) surely would have applied for face value on the policy.  Much more money.  Much more.

"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue."

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World...
   and leaving me Speechless!

"True goodbyes are the ones never said

hesouttamylife

May 23, 2010, 06:51:59 PM #22 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

Great job Souza.  I am enjoying reading and refreshing myself.

"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue."

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World...
   and leaving me Speechless!

"True goodbyes are the ones never said

hesouttamylife

May 23, 2010, 07:11:31 PM #23 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

Wow, this is interesting, Souza, and quite timely if you ask me.  The policy lapse was cause for an immediate pay out anyway.  Thanks to the hoax, :lol: I mean aid. In this event, no one had to apply, it was automatic.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/musi ... rance.html

Michael Jackson aide 'stole singer's life insurance'
Michael Jackson's children could miss out on a $20 million life insurance payout – because an aide allowed the policy to lapse.

Published: 9:14AM BST 28 Jul 2009

Michael Jackson was $400m in debt when he died last month Photo: REUTERS
The King of Pop's family are planning legal action against the assistant who they reportedly believe kept the cash that had been put aside for insurance.
Dr Steven Hoefflin, the plastic surgeon who became one of Jackson's closest friends, said that the affair highlighted the "deception and incompetence" of the hangers-on who surrounded the singer in his final days.

"The family have told me that, utterly unbelievably and horrifyingly, one of his aides did not keep up with payments in the last months of his life. They believe he was pocketing the money," he told The Sun.
"This was hugely important to him – it was money for his children. The family are furious and they are now seeking a lawsuit against the person believed responsible.
"It is incredible, and just stands of further proof of the levels of deception and incompetence of the sharks that surround Michael."
Because the final payments were missed it is understood that Jackson's children will now receive around $2.5 million rather than the $22.5 million to which they would have been entitled.
Jackson was around $400 million in debt when he died, having squandered a fortune once estimated at $1 billion.
His children Prince Michael, 12, Paris, 11, and Prince Michael II, 7, commonly known as Blanket, will inherit his $300 million share in The Beatles back catalogue but the rights are mortgaged up to the hilt and the singer is facing a range of legal claims on his estate.

"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue."

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World...
   and leaving me Speechless!

"True goodbyes are the ones never said

Delia

May 24, 2010, 04:00:01 AM #24 Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM by Guest

Thanks for the precious and concentrated information. It*s extremely important, mostly because it is clear the subtlety of the clues that is in connection with Michael*s message. The fans must learn to see, to analise reality, to be pacient, not to jump to conclusions and, most of all, to believe.


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