TBH, Carolwood, 911, and UCLA vs. Cedars Sinai.

[Melzy777]

Mike, as always, I apologise in advance for my dry sense of humour if you're really no longer with us..  :oops:  <3





A - Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Centre
B - 100 N Carolwood Dr
C - The Beverly Hills Hotel - 9641 Sunset blvd
D - Cedars Sinai Medical Center

This has played on my mind, so I put my Sherlock Holmes 2k9 Fedora hat on and had a closer look.

We've all been told that there is a Cell Phone Tower at 9641 Sunset blvd which is the common explanation as to why the 911 screencap has that address.

But, google maps will tell you that that is really where The Beverly Hills hotel is.

So, I want to point out a few things..

Point 1: I obviously can't say with 100% certainty that there isn't but according to this site there is no Cell Phone Tower at 9641 Sunset Blvd.
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I zoomed in on The Beverly Hills Hotel (as recommended by the site) to make sure there were no Cell Phone Towers. There are none marked on there. Can anyone provide evidence of there being one?

Point 2: The Beverly Hills hotel (TBH / welcome to the hotel california) is owned by the Sultan of Brunei - Hassanal Bolkiah.  8-)
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*In 1996, Michael Jackson was flown in to perform for the people of Brunei for the sultan's 50th birthday.
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Point 3: On-going contact
2006: Jackson’s return to Las Vegas has something to do with his old pal, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login. (Where Michael wanted to purchase a mansion he planned to call "Wonderland". Mad hatter, anyone?)
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2007: The media are reporting that Michael is to be a guest at the birthday party of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login, the son of the Sultan of Brunei, but he will not be performing although it is thought that he may speak.
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Point 4: Cell number 909 273 4846
Cell phones can be traced - especially in emergency situations. This call was made by a verizon number, obviously as it says Verizon Wireless on the screen. When a person calls 911 from a cell phone the call is placed through to the PSAP (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login) call center.
 
"The location of the phone will be tracked using triangulation - by taking 2 or more readings, it is possible to calculate where the signal is coming from by working out the triangle that fits the signal strengths. The 3rd point is the location of the phone. (meaning they don't pinpoint towers, they pinpoint the most likely physical location of the cell phone by determining the signal strengths it sends out in multiple directions) However, when the person who has the phone has made an emergency call, this GPS transmission will always be sent. This is designed to ensure that the police can always track a cell phone location, in order to get help to people who need it." You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

So, scenario 1  - what they probably want us to believe: The number was registered to someone staying at TBH when the number was activated and they gave TBH as their address to the phone company.  On 6/25 the 911 caller, who normally resides at TBH, gives the address for the ambulance to go to as 100 N Carolwood drive which is where he actually is and that is why we see that address on the screen.

But, if you want to make a hoax out of it then let's try scenario 2: The caller dials 911 from the Brush Area outside of TBH. He tells the 911 operator he's at 100 N Carolwood dr. The 911 operator sounds confused because, thanks to GPS tracking software, they can read the callers physical location as 9641 sunset blvd (TBH) Brush Area on their screen. Whoops!

And apparently this number was deactivated on the 26th June - so whose was it?

Either way, there's too much distance between B and C on the map for me to believe 9641 Sunset blvd was a GPS trace location / lucky guess, and besides, TBH is too relevant for it to be random.

Point 5:
Location: The Brush Area at 9641 Sunset Blvd - May 15th 2009 - Jackson Family leaving The Beverly Hills Hotel
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Hey, Alvarez, why don't you jump into the shrub and practice your 911 calls?


King TutankhaMike's got some cool gold pyramids on his shirt and jacket.


Paris is reading "Warriors - Fire and Ice".. rawr!


Katherine spots the papz and wonders if she should shoo them off with her handbag OR squirt them with the supersoaker she has hidden behind that big shrub for extra karma points. (jk - but I wish)


So, why is Papa Joe carrying a planner?  Scheduling a few silly things to say in the future?


Could this be one of the staged interventions? Janet is nowhere in sight. She must have seen him this day or the day before (depends on when these photos were actually taken) since she said that she saw him "2 days before her birthday, at a family gathering "where she claims he was "very much in denial". But we have no evidence of her attendence here.  8-)

Point 6: Why would the police need to barricade off Cedars Sinai Medical Center if Michael was taken by ambulance in the opposite direction to UCLA?
The paramedics performed CPR and took him to UCLA Medical Center, Ruda told the newspaper.

Police in Los Angeles have blockaded streets around Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles.
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Because Jackson was not under the care of any UCLA doctor for a particular condition at the time of his death, the job of signing off on his death certificate goes to the coroner's office.
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My questions now are:
Were the shenanigans at Carolwood drive and UCLA a diversion tactic with the Leave Me Alone dummy affectionately nicknamed Michael "Joseph" Jackson?
Was bald with peach fuzz, frail, and unrecognisable Mike really staying over at TBH, found "not breathing at all" and then taken to the Cedars Sinai Medical Center? (And from there to the airport if you ask Jermaine  8-)  )

Confusion always tends to mean we should look closer.  

[somekindofsign]

That´s what I asked sometime ago if someone lives or knows someone who lives near Cedar Sinai and can tell us if it was really blockaded.
There are many connections between Michael and Cedar Sinai, we mada long searching in the spanish forum and find very interesting things, but it led nowhere until now.

[heisinme09]

Point 1: I obviously can't say with 100% certainty that there isn't but according to this site there is no Cell Phone Tower at 9641 Sunset Blvd.
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I zoomed in on The Beverly Hills Hotel (as recommended by the site) to make sure there were no Cell Phone Towers. There are none marked on there. Can anyone provide evidence of there being one?

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Very good work here, Melzy777! In regard to the 911 call that appears to have been made from a cell phone at the Beverly Hilton Hotel....I am going to post something for the THIRD TIME in the hopes that someone will find it as pertinent as I do....I have seen video footage of Frank Dileo admitting that he was at the Beverly Hilton Hotel when he received the call about an ambulance being at Carolwood! It seems highly probably, IF NOT HIGHLY LIKELY, that Big Frank could be helping implement the hoax....this is a MAJOR CLUE, in my humble opinion!

[dragonflylilies]

Nice post.  I always find it very helpful to go back to day one and start looking at it with different eyes.  I know for myself, in the beginning I was searching for clues with my heart and not my head.  Now that I can see that it was a hoax, I have different eyes and different emotions.

[White_Orchid]

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[Christiana]

Point 1: I obviously can't say with 100% certainty that there isn't but according to this site there is no Cell Phone Tower at 9641 Sunset Blvd.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login ... ate_abr=ca
I zoomed in on The Beverly Hills Hotel (as recommended by the site) to make sure there were no Cell Phone Towers. There are none marked on there. Can anyone provide evidence of there being one?

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Very good work here, Melzy777! In regard to the 911 call that appears to have been made from a cell phone at the Beverly Hilton Hotel....I am going to post something for the THIRD TIME in the hopes that someone will find it as pertinent as I do....I have seen video footage of Frank Dileo admitting that he was at the Beverly Hilton Hotel when he received the call about an ambulance being at Carolwood! It seems highly probably, IF NOT HIGHLY LIKELY, that Big Frank could be helping implement the hoax....this is a MAJOR CLUE, in my humble opinion!

You're talking about the Beverly Hilton Hotel, where Frank was when he says he got the call about MJ. But the original poster is talking about the Beverly Hills Hotel...they are two different hotels and not at the same address. 9641 Sunset Blvd is the Beverly Hills Hotel, not the Beverly Hilton Hotel.

[Melzy777]

I think Frank does know what went on..

And, he mentioned that a fan rang him while he was having lunch at the Beverly Hilton on 6/25 when he appeared on Larry King Live.. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

But, here's what Frank says to Larry King about the above mentioned May 15th meeting at TBH

KING: What can you tell us about a meeting at the Beverly Hills Hotel, attended by Michael and his father Joe, before the concert tour? What was that all about?

DILEO: Here is what happened. That was the one day I happened to be out of town. Joseph wanted to have a meeting with Leonard Rowe, Michael, Randy Phillips and me, and Paul Gongaware. Katherine came to the meeting. It was at the Beverly Hills Hotel in a bungalow.

They (Joe and Leonard) got there early. Michael stayed in his car until Randy and Paul came. I was out of town. They went in. They had a meeting. Joe asked all these questions, him and Leonard. Randy answered them.

KING: You heard all this from Randy?

DILEO: I heard it from Michael.

KING: Oh.

DILEO: OK. This is May 15th. That is a Friday. I get back Sunday or Monday. Michael says, we have to get rid of Rowe. I said OK. He tells me everything that happened. May 20th — KING: That letter went out.

DILEO: That letter went out and he received it. ( You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login )

KING: He said he didn’t.

DILEO: I know he did. He got it. He also said that that meeting was three weeks before Michael died and that’s not true. His timeline is way off.

KING: So Leonard was kicked after that meeting?

DILEO: He forgot that he signed it. He signed it under pressure. But he forgot to send a letter out earlier. When they had the meeting and he saw how they acted, he said, Frank, we forgot. We have to remove Leonard. I said OK.

KING: Is this ever going to go away, Jim?

MORET: Not for a while. The criminal aspect –

KING: Where is that going?

MORET: Well, you know, with Anna Nicole, you didn’t see charges for more than a year after she died. I think you may see a similar situation here. The attorney general is involved. The DEA is involved, the LAPD. It could take months before we see criminal charges.

KING: Anything you want to ask Frank?

DILEO: I’m just curious why it is that there seems to be these two camps between the family and the management? It seems like you all have the same interests at heart, really that’s to grow what is now an estate.

DILEO: Right. It’s not as big as people make it out to be. But the one thing you have to remember, Michael liked to have his business separate from his family. He didn’t like his family interfering in his business.

KING: Really? Any of the family?

DILEO: Any of the family. Now, he did put Katherine as a trustee on certain things, because he trusted her. He didn’t want them knowing what he was doing.

[Melzy777]

That´s what I asked sometime ago if someone lives or knows someone who lives near Cedar Sinai and can tell us if it was really blockaded.
There are many connections between Michael and Cedar Sinai, we mada long searching in the spanish forum and find very interesting things, but it led nowhere until now.

I agree, would be nice to know if it really was blocked off, or if it's hearsay.. Is there anything from the spanish forum you can add in here?

Very good work here, Melzy777! In regard to the 911 call that appears to have been made from a cell phone at the Beverly Hilton Hotel....I am going to post something for the THIRD TIME in the hopes that someone will find it as pertinent as I do....I have seen video footage of Frank Dileo admitting that he was at the Beverly Hilton Hotel when he received the call about an ambulance being at Carolwood! It seems highly probably, IF NOT HIGHLY LIKELY, that Big Frank could be helping implement the hoax....this is a MAJOR CLUE, in my humble opinion!

Thank you! And, you know, what are the odds of Frank Dileo stretching the truth about where he was??
It would be too obvious if he said he was at TBH.. Hmmmm..

Nice post.  I always find it very helpful to go back to day one and start looking at it with different eyes.  I know for myself, in the beginning I was searching for clues with my heart and not my head.  Now that I can see that it was a hoax, I have different eyes and different emotions.

Thanks! That's what I've been doing for the last few weeks too. It is easier to make sense of some things now.

Excellent post,  Melzy777.

PS. Michael's worry about privacy and his calls being tapped were well founded. It's very easy to eavesdrop using cell phones.  It doesn't matter if cellphone is on or not.  The only workaround to stop eavesdropping is to remove the battery.

 8-)

Hey, thanks! And for the info. I think it answers everything, doesn't it? Based on information about how 911 call centres retreive cell phone information it just proves that the MJ 911 call couldn't have really been made from N Carolwood drive.

[*Mo*]

There are many connections between Michael and Cedar Sinai, we mada long searching in the spanish forum and find very interesting things, but it led nowhere until now.

Here's your connection.  There are several posts out there on the internet about Cedars Sinai having a department for reprogramming.  In example Britney Spears was taken there after she got off message.

The Cedars-Sinai name has popped up for years in showbiz news reports; it seems as much an LA institution as the Hollywood sign or the Chateau Marmont hotel.

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Just run a search on Google for "celebrities taken to Cedars Sinai"...

[somekindofsign]

That´s what I asked sometime ago if someone lives or knows someone who lives near Cedar Sinai and can tell us if it was really blockaded.
There are many connections between Michael and Cedar Sinai, we mada long searching in the spanish forum and find very interesting things, but it led nowhere until now.

I agree, would be nice to know if it really was blocked off, or if it's hearsay.. Is there anything from the spanish forum you can add in here?

There were lots, as we had this line openned for a month altough we reached a death end.
The kids were born there. Michael has been hospitalized/treated there many times, as well as many Jacksons.
It remained on every buzz news sites that he was taken there, source TMZ, but they edited it later.
There was the michael´s driver  "hit and run incident" with a Cedar´s ambo in March or May, I can´t remember now.
Cedars Sinai recently became the best rated Heart Unit in USA and recived the UCLA Heart team. They have a pioneer heart intervention about cell transplant which first 24 subjects were treated in June 2009. This intervention is to fix damaged heart cells in patients that suffered heart attack, using their own cells.
They have a very good private system of communication between family and patients to respect their privacy. First subject´s name was Michael Jones (but we have images of him). All of them were in rehabilitation for around 7 months, then they went out of risk.

Many Cedar´s doctor were invited to give their opinnion in media about Michael´s case.
Some of those doctors names are very curious such as Dr. Michael Slaughter from Indiana.
There was a mess week around news about the latin american singer Luis Miguel hospitalized there last month. The reports talked about he suffering from constipation (Elvis) to the rumour he had died, plastic surgery complications... maybe nothing but the news were very similar to Michael´s.

I´m sorry but those days I have no time to explain it all, but you can take a look at the Spanish thread with a translator. The link with translator:

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Ah, it all comes out making the search "Michael Jackson Cedar Sinai", that is a better search.

So the question is, if Cedar has the best heart team, why wouldn´t they take him there?

[heisinme09]

Point 1: I obviously can't say with 100% certainty that there isn't but according to this site there is no Cell Phone Tower at 9641 Sunset Blvd.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login ... ate_abr=ca
I zoomed in on The Beverly Hills Hotel (as recommended by the site) to make sure there were no Cell Phone Towers. There are none marked on there. Can anyone provide evidence of there being one?

*******************************************************************************************************
Very good work here, Melzy777! In regard to the 911 call that appears to have been made from a cell phone at the Beverly Hilton Hotel....I am going to post something for the THIRD TIME in the hopes that someone will find it as pertinent as I do....I have seen video footage of Frank Dileo admitting that he was at the Beverly Hilton Hotel when he received the call about an ambulance being at Carolwood! It seems highly probably, IF NOT HIGHLY LIKELY, that Big Frank could be helping implement the hoax....this is a MAJOR CLUE, in my humble opinion!

You're talking about the Beverly Hilton Hotel, where Frank was when he says he got the call about MJ. But the original poster is talking about the Beverly Hills Hotel...they are two different hotels and not at the same address. 9641 Sunset Blvd is the Beverly Hills Hotel, not the Beverly Hilton Hotel.

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Ah, I see! Thanks for clarifying, Christiana!

[Kirsche]

So thank you so much for researchin' this!!

So, was I right, as I said months ago, that the 911 call was made from the hotel??
 GREAT!  That's just good for us...

Again, thank you so much for this information

[voiceforthesilent]

So thank you so much for researchin' this!!

So, was I right, as I said months ago, that the 911 call was made from the hotel??
 GREAT!  That's just good for us...

Again, thank you so much for this information

I'm not going to say that the call wasn't made from the hotel because I also have questioned the location showing up on the scanner. But there doesn't have to be an actual tower on site. Many hotels have the antenna's hung on the roof or the side of the building in disguise. I know because I have family in the business and they regularly do rooftop jobs in the larger cities.

[Melzy777]

So thank you so much for researchin' this!!

So, was I right, as I said months ago, that the 911 call was made from the hotel??
 GREAT!  That's just good for us...

Again, thank you so much for this information

I'm not going to say that the call wasn't made from the hotel because I also have questioned the location showing up on the scanner. But there doesn't have to be an actual tower on site. Many hotels have the antenna's hung on the roof or the side of the building in disguise. I know because I have family in the business and they regularly do rooftop jobs in the larger cities.

I think we need evidence that the Beverly Hills hotel has that then. I found a site that dismisses it being a tower, so now if you (or anyone) can provide some proof of this antenna method then we can be more sure where the call was made from. Until I see that I'm 99% convinced it was made from the hotel.


EDIT: I need to drink all my coffee before I post on here.  :lol:
The point of this thread is to show that the 911 call centres use triangulation to pinpoint where the cell phone is through the location of multiple towers, and perhaps - though the sites don't state this - the antennas too. So, if the Beverly Hills Hotel has an antenna on the side then it would simply be used in the same way that the towers are, IF at all - imo.

[Melzy777]

Triangulation - the method that 911 call centres use to determine your location in an emergency, This happens when YOU call them.



p1 to p6 are cell phone towers.
T1 - T6 is the signal strength received by these towers from your cell phone.
p0 is your location.