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Introduce yourself / Re: hi from UK
« on: December 07, 2009, 03:39:25 PM »
I'm from Derbyshire (: I don't think there are many of us from the UK on this particular forum though? Which is a shame!

Good to see a thread on here that can bring us all together! Hopefully it'll entice the UK lurkers out from the shadows.

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Other Odd Things / Re: Analysis of TNZ's Myspace & Twitter Pages
« on: December 04, 2009, 04:11:16 AM »
Russia has reiterated its proposal to the United States to sign a bilateral extradition agreement, the Russian justice minister said.

Although Moscow and Washington agreed in 2007 to draft an agreement on the extradition of crime suspects, further progress on the deal is still pending.

"We have reiterated our earlier proposal to the U.S. on the bilateral extradition agreement. In our opinion, it is wrong that countries such as the United States and Russia do not have even a basic normative document on extradition," Alexander Konovalov said after his recent visit to the U.S.

During the visit, Konovalov met with officials from the U.S. Department of Justice in New York and Washington, and visited a penitentiary facility in New Jersey.

According to the Russian minister, the fight against terrorism, organized crime and corruption should be the key aspect of cooperation between the two countries in the sphere of law enforcement.

"We have agreed to establish permanent contacts in this area of cooperation," Konovalov said.

"We have also proposed to our American partners to establish a permanent dialogue Russia-EU and the U.S. on the fight against drug-trafficking," the minister said, adding that the Americans could provide valuable assistance to Russia in preventing the flow of narcotics from Afghanistan.

An estimated 90% of heroin consumed in Russia is trafficked from Afghanistan via Tajikistan and Uzbekistan, and the vast majority of heroin consumed in Europe passes through Russia on its way from Afghanistan, where illegal drug production has reportedly risen 44 times since 2001.

The U.S.-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) has about 67,000 troops in Afghanistan under a UN mandate to give security support to the Afghan government and stop the flow of drugs from the country.

So there you have it, there is no extradition treaty between the United States and Russia, this is the link: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
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Other Odd Things / Re: Analysis of TNZ's Myspace & Twitter Pages
« on: December 03, 2009, 02:45:20 PM »
Quote from: "Grace"
TNZ are only using all the material that we have found so far - only to give it a contrary meaning. The disappearance of some chess figurines and the appearance of others in a different corner of public eyes claiming "the truth" for them is making up a new chapter after 06/25.

I came to think that the battle has just begun and that's why MJHD has left the field.
Get a rope and a safety jacket for the storms that are approaching.
I suggest to all those not so sure of what to make of it - save the reasons and indicators why you were convinced that MJ is alive and well on your desktop and don't forget about them during the next weeks.

As there are signs of a wishful thinking out there in cyberspace that MJ could return on Christmas, the debates are heating up and the haters are back to prepare the world for MJ and that date in their sense.
We are likely to be presented more disgusting lies and microscopic details of what MJ did not do right in some "public judging opinion".

During last months, tabloids were put on spotlight and sometimes ridiculed as not having cited and commented in true manners about MJ. They were presented undeniable inconsistencies and lies they did spread. They came up with insecurity signs in their approach to spreading MJ stories. They even did apologize in public about their lies. This is a never happened before novum and we can be proud of our efforts to force them to apologize.
They even started listening to us and gave us space to meet in order to learn what we found and think and whether there was something in for them. LKL live blog in fact has become a chat and the majority of haters there has turned into a majority of questioning people.

However, infotainment media are likely to defend their habits and status. They are likely to invent even more hateful and disgusting lies.

Be prepared for this in times when new and democratic media are not only being discovered by MJ friends but also MJ foes.

IMHO TMZ may have a lot to do with TNZ (e.g. TMZ allow a globally protected and protection surveyed brand logo to be copied and modified on myspace). This is copyright and brand infringement and if TNZ authors are really located in New York they know about it.
So either TMZ is in on TNZ or TNZ has VERY good lawyers.
Why TNZ is using Russian servers and not US servers for linking their material speaks to me that they are storing copyrighted material where US authorities do not have access to prosecution.


TNZ do have also a twibbon.com account:
In google cache of Nov 10, 2009 we'll find this:
TrueNewsZone
@HoaxDeathPage: "we can't be in rest in peace! the site will be okay in the coming days" - Great news: MJHD will COME BACK in its own time;)
55 minutes ago from web | View TrueNewsZone's twitter profile
at that time: 966 Following 459 Followers
    * Name:      True News Zone
    * Location:  New York
    * Web: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login.
    * Joined:      10/15/2009 9:24:35 PM

Well, whether they knew anything about MJHD from the site, web or backstage, we don't know.
Btw. I found a site where MJHD was stated to have been launched June 1, 2009 and I found another saying the site was worth more than 130,000 $ now. I doubt that there will be anybody buying it.

TNZ appearance and MJHD disappearance fit into the tide of events after the movie.
Their intention however is not clear. They are - as remarked earlier in the thread - no friends, fans, believers or followers. They are not neutral either. But they know how to twist words.
And they must be an international group with a lot of money behind. There is no advertisement on the page. (?) The site is maintained regularily, there is almost always somebody online and those folks do have a lot of time dedicated to layout, pictures and it's done professionally.

To me TNZ is following some third party interests as a freerider on MJ's attention. They are not convincing to me.


Hello Grace, I've become a huge critic of TNZ and I agree that they're only intention is to  gain attention amongst Michael Jackson fans but in the long-term I'm not sure about their ambitions, a tabloid in the making perhaps? It wouldn't be surprising seeing as most tabloids use Michael Jackson as a means to claim fame, notoriety and financial gain.

But the thing I want to bring up is the extradition laws between the UK and Russia, it isn't possible to extradite someone from Russia to the UK to face legal prosecution and I think given America and Russia's unstable past it could well be the same situation.

Here is an is an example: Read about the case and then scroll down to 'Contents' and click on 'Extradition Declined' and the Russian stand point will become clear to you.

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I'd be surprised if Russia's political stance on this issue would be different to the one that is currently used at the moment as far as Russian a citizens extradition to the UK and so I doubt that they're going to bothered if TMZ presses charges for copyright infringement because there isn't going to be any prospect of legal proceedings materializing.

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Introduce yourself / Re: New New New :D
« on: December 03, 2009, 03:02:54 AM »
Welcome to the forum and I hope you enjoy your stay.

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Michael's features, habits & disguises / Re: MEGA FUNNY PICS FROM MJHD
« on: December 02, 2009, 11:03:11 AM »
Quote from: "Debbie Zebua"
BUT SOME OF THE CAPTIONS went a lil' further
yet FUNNIER !


LMFAO!! @ the last one! SHAMONE, ladies  ;)

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This Is It / Re: TII CLUE........... Billie jean
« on: December 01, 2009, 04:08:46 PM »
We noticed it, yes.

It was brought up on MJKIT but I'm not convinced about the whole '33 Clues' thing in This Is It.

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Quote from: "superflysister81"
we have to keep the faith!! ;)

I've never been a member of MJHD, but I'm curious...Does anybody know why  it's closed now?  :?


It's closing because the person who owns the domain name is selling it.

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Hoax Videos / Re: Weird message left by HOTT1982
« on: December 01, 2009, 11:10:32 AM »
Because he would be paralleling Jesus Christ.

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Hoax Videos / Re: Weird message left by HOTT1982
« on: December 01, 2009, 10:48:08 AM »
For me it just means HOTT1982 thinks Michael is coming back at Christmas, which I hope is not the case for obvious reasons.

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Hoax Pictures / Re: video: different faces or a hoax?
« on: December 01, 2009, 08:40:41 AM »
I think they're all him other than the one with the fedora, dark red trousers and back boots.. I'm really not sure about that one because I can't see his face, it more than likely is him though because he likes to cover as much as possible up in public.

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General Hoax Talk / Re: Illcomeback on twitter!!
« on: December 01, 2009, 08:32:38 AM »
I think he'd choose a name that's a little more incognito than that but as I've said before investigating all avenues in something as complicated as this is essential and I suppose it wouldn't hurt to check it out but I wouldn't be optimistic!

If Liz Taylor has one though you can't 100% rule it out, considering those two are the closest of friends.. or more.

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The PT Barnum References / Re: TMZ=Brick man! Re-Post from MJKIT
« on: December 01, 2009, 05:34:25 AM »
Barnum is the person he took inspiration from if he hoaxed his death, for sure.

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Hoax Videos / Re: Have you guys seen this before?
« on: December 01, 2009, 05:16:38 AM »
That's interesting, Alive.

I've never seen that before and this means CNN made reports about Michael's death 24 hours before it occurred.

Something is going on, for sure.

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TIAI & TS Discussions / Re: www.thisisalsoit.com
« on: December 01, 2009, 05:08:52 AM »
I don't understand TNZ's motives for posting that unless their trying to embarrass the Police for some reason?

A hidden meaning perhaps, the Police are corrupt and Conrad Murray won't be prosecuted because Michael is alive.

Or Conrad Murray won't be prosecuted because the investigation has been half arsed and the evidence is weak.

Who knows.. it could mean anything.. or nothing.

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