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« on: January 04, 2010, 01:38:44 PM »
I cannot think that both never met. In that "world" everyone has at least met anyone once.
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« on: January 02, 2010, 07:26:49 AM »
I find it odd that La Toya would have such a smile on her face at her brother's memorial. Very odd behaviour. I did ask it before.. What dies this smile meann :?: :?:
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« on: January 02, 2010, 06:05:01 AM »
Here we wave the exact timeline for the this is it rehearsal's
Center Staging in Burbank, California from May 18, 2009 through June 1, 2009
Culver Studios in Culver City, California on June 1, 2009 through June 10, 2009
The Forum in Inglewood, California on June 1, 2009 through June 21, 2009
Staples Center in Los Angeles, California from June 22, 2009 through June 25, 2009
You can see that they were only rehearsing for 3 days at staples center (michael house  )
Kenny Ortega at the memorial in staples center:
" this was our house, we have to invite the world here in michael's house" So they started in May?? Then, what the sense of "we only have 4 years?¿?¿? Did he not mean 2012 ¿?¿?¿
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« on: January 02, 2010, 05:59:33 AM »
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« on: January 02, 2010, 05:45:28 AM »
First of all, hi, names Carlos and well, I've been to this site for like 2 weeks ago and I find it interesting. So I joined. I also joined because minutes ago I saw a youtube video of a supposedly Michael Jackson at a new years eve show.
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Could it be him? I'm really not sure.. I mean, he can't just let himself viewed by fans that obvious. So what do you guys think?  An impersonator.. He would not appear as himself...Too obvious
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« on: January 02, 2010, 05:41:20 AM »
Liberian Girl do you really believe Mike forgave his father like you said he left him out of the will and I just have this feeling that Michael doesn't like him I know he is his father but when you did the things you did to him at a young age that is unforgivable
No King_Michael, I don't believe that Michael will ever forgive his father for his treatment during his childhood. That's what I meant about the will, since it did not mention any provisions for Joe, therefore, I think it is probably legit.
On the contrary , I think he has forgiven his father, I do not imagine him living with such a negative feeling. Forgivness heals
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« on: January 01, 2010, 09:52:04 AM »
Our little kids are on the right path A friend of mine has 2 daughters and both are really hooked by MJ: One of them asked one day: Mum, do you prefer black Michael or white Michael?? Which one singes best??? ha,ha Children are such a blessing and say what is in their hearts, all purity 
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« on: January 01, 2010, 09:02:13 AM »
I've seen a lot of goodbye posts, from believers - some on this forum. And no matter how many times I see this, it never makes sense, to me.
My husband is skeptical. Of everything, and to a degree which impairs his critical thinking, ironically. He's seen some of the evidence, and heard more, as I have a tendency to lecture. While he's occasionally shocked by what he sees/hears, and does find it compelling, he's pretty much a fence-rider. He won't be truly convinced by anything short of Michael, himself, in the flesh.
He asked me, the other night, what I would believe, if fifty years passed, and Michael never came back. Without batting an eye, I answered "I would assume he'd lived out his life in privacy. And by then, we would have more information; I don't believe for a second that his kids won't have a respectful, loving, story to tell, one day."
I've seen so much talk of him coming back at Christmas. "Clues," "messages," and just general speculation. How many of you believe that?
How many of you will be crushed, if he does NOT come back, this month? Next month? By Easter? By June 25th, 2010?
It seems like everytime I turn around, some poor member's faith has been torn apart, by a fake "informer," by an article on MJ's death, by the hoax taking too long, by a weird quote from a Jackson, by Stevie Wonder crying. And I just cannot understand how what you know could ever be changed by such small things. Please believe me when I say I'm not being critical. I'm asking you, all of you, do you KNOW Michael Jackson is alive, or not?
I have faith in the continuing judgement, intellect, creativity, cunning, and talent of Michael Jackson. I do not have faith in any hoax theory, or that he is alive. I don't NEED faith, for that. "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Hebrews 11:1 I did not hope for Michael Jackson to be alive; I accepted his death, and was then overwhelmed by the evidence that he had not died. True, I cannot "see" him, right now, but I can damn sure see this hoax. The circumstances of his death exhaust all possible coincidence; it would require more "faith" to believe his death, than to believe he is alive.
Nietzsche said "'Faith' means not wanting to know what is true." After all of the inconsistancies, slip-ups, ridiculous stories, and downright lies, do you honestly believe the story of Michael's death is true?
I'm rigid, in my beliefs; it's a quirk of mine. Because of this, I don't believe in much. I'm a hard sell, a continual devil's advocate, and generally just the most infuriating person in the world, in an argument. I require a hell of a lot of proof, to buy into anything.
But once I believe, it's permanent. Hence the reason I don't believe in much.
I believe most of what we've been shown, regarding the death of Michael Jackson, is not true. And, after months of seeking the simplest, most logical paths of explanation, I cannot believe he was murdered, either. The only answer which made sense, was that he is alive.
I know he is alive. It was a sound conclusion, based on an overwhelming amount of data, all pointing to this one answer. It satisfies logic. More importantly, it is a conclusion I arrived at, after having begun coming to terms with his death. I did not need this answer, or any sort of miraculous hope; I fought this conclusion, argued it, tore it apart, and was completely unable to deny it.
Michael Jackson is alive.
There will always be excuses to doubt. Emotional days, the pain of watching those who loved him mourn a death they believe in, the sheer loneliness of a world in which Michael Jackson walks unseen, like a ghost. But I can never become UNconvinced, because the decision is no longer open for debate, at least until I am provided with ANOTHER conclusion that answers logic as well as his being alive. And I mean, it would have to explain every gaping hole in the story of his death, all the way back to the morning of June 25th.
No article, interview, or YouTube clip can do that. And so, I keep knowing what I know. I have examined this conclusion enough; it needs no further testing.
I don't personally expect Michael to come back, at Christmas. Too much is left undone. Not the least of which are his books - both the comic book, and seemingly-autobiographical novel. These are real, bizarrely-prophetic projects which we know are in the pipeline, so I would expect to see them, before Michael. I could be wrong, but I just haven't seen any solid reason to count on a Christmas comeback.
Where Michael's future plans are concerned, the ground is much less solid. We have little more than signs, hints, as to what he may have been planning, before June 25th, and obviously, we can't know what he's up to, now. While it's fascinating to speculate, it would be entirely illogical to hang the validity of the entire hoax, on our ideas about when and how he may come back - these are two seperate questions.
My point is: I see a really sad time coming, for many believers, if you continue to let yourself be blown about by every comment, every interview, every wish or hope that is not quickly granted. Examine the evidence, one more time - all of it - and find your own conclusion, regarding his death. Then, if you are certain, based on your own best judgement, rather than the opinions of others, hold fast to your conclusion. Store it as something you know, not something you believe, or hope in, and do not let yourself be moved, again. It's simply the only way to stay sane, in all this.
And if you need a place to put your faith, put it in Michael. Not in his being alive, but in him being more than the addled, emaciated, puppet some have portrayed him as. Believe in a flawed, imperfect man who is, nonetheless, one of the great geniuses of our time, and burned with a passion to protect those he loved, and make the world better. As well as a man wise enough to see what was at the end of the road, and take steps to seize his destiny, once more.
At the very least, have faith that this voracious reader who obsessively researched whatever crossed his path had enough sense to know that Propofol would not get him a good night's rest. :roll:
Happy Holidays, everyone. Stay strong. And the same to you as well, Michael. Good post. Very down to earth and full of common sense. Thanks
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« on: December 30, 2009, 01:48:13 PM »
I was reading the year ahead for 2010 star predictions in my newspaper today and thought you guys would like to see what was written for Virgo (MJs star sign)
Just a bit of fun, but it does fit in with the hoax... i hope its true!
When i read it, it made me smile. :lol:
You are the sign of health, the sign that likes to make sure they are covered for every eventuality and with a medicine cabinet the size of a general hospital, im sure you are.
But you realise that there is more to it than that and you know true health is an ongoing process and one that needs good food, movement and rest. So carry on doing what you need to do but watch out when Uranus, your health planet, moves signs from June until August when other things tempt you from your usual routines.
Happiness this year comes from testing new systems, pushing boundaries and stepping out of your comfort zone and realising just how much you like it! Daring to continue on a path to re-invent yourself will bring you some major rewards this year. And long may it continue. I will post it to my sister, who is Virgo too.. She claims MJ is dead, but for Xmas I got a MJ BIOGRAPHY from her, of course just to make me happy, buuut.. I did not have the chance to explain her, what this MJHD is all about. And knowing her, she could have bought something else :?: My Mum is now quite convinced of the Hoax, my 2 nieces, some friends too but to convince Her is my big job. Thank 4 your support
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« on: December 30, 2009, 08:57:59 AM »
That answer can be found with MJ, Grace and the person who performed the ceremony. :lol:
Seriously though, that rumor has floated around for some time. People were always so quick to attach MJ with any female that he was seen with. It may be true or false like so many other rumors.
Only MJ and the women that he was actually involved with know the truth.
People hide aspects of their personal lives all of the time. That makes perfect sense especially for those who live in fishbowls and are constantly being spied on and stalked. True or false, I would be happy if he has found the person he needs
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« on: December 29, 2009, 01:58:32 PM »
The fact that he cannot be exposed to the sun does not mean he does not like it. I myself prefer rain or cold weather, not much sun, but it is my preference. I cannot stand the sun very long, but Mike will surely miss lying in the sun without worrying about his skin problems therefore this maybe a reason why he craves for it  Just the light of the day will make him happy. Light is Life . Again , my humble opinion
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« on: December 29, 2009, 01:42:42 PM »
OK I chose Together Again by Janet Jackson because it says exactly what I feel even though Michael Jackson is not with us at the time I feel him through his music and I see his smile everywhere I go and I know he is smiling too MICHAEL I KNOW THAT WE WILL BE TOGETHER AGAIN WE ARE HERE FOR YOU MICHAEL. I'M SO HAPPY BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOU ARE NOW FREE I would give everything I have to hold you and tell you how much WE love you and say that it's ok that we will go through this together...PLEASE MICHAEL COMEBACK AND DO IT FAST BECAUSE LIFE IS NOTHING WITHOUT YOU WE MISS YOU!!!! DO IT FOR L.O.V.E <3
[youtube:2i5m87hq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39j4y9aObzA[/youtube:2i5m87hq] I woder If he is really aware of how much people love him I do hope he IS NOW
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« on: December 29, 2009, 12:01:55 PM »
Hmm.. there has been nothing in the UK tabloids about her moving here... normally they would be very hot on that and get at least one pap of her. :?
Also.. where are your sources of LMP taking bad of MJ? Im not disagreeing.. i just have never seen this. All the articles and interviews i have seen, she always speaks well of him and maintains the marriage was real.
Although you have to remember she went through a divorce with him, and feelings can run high and bitterness runs when you have had your heart broken. I think she really loved him and didnt want to divorce him but couldnt make it work.
I just saw you said you never saw her talking bad about him but I can give you at least three instances:
1.Check out youtube for Lisa marie and her mother on oprah
2.Also check out Lisa marie with barbara walters
3.And lastly Lisa Marie did an interview like 1 or 2 years a go( or maybe 2003 when her album came out) with Rolling stone where she was asked what has been her biggest mistake and she said: ''Leaving my first husband for the second one'' talking about MIchael.
Actually you can still read that somewhere online I think she talked about him that interview as well (not eel might I add).
Personally I don't like her personality/ attitude. ( I know I don't know her personally but so far what I have seen she leaves a bad taste for me) In my personal opion they weren't the 'dream couple'' that some fans think they were because ''they looked good together''.I will never understand why that makes people believe they were meant for eachother. But I'm not gonna argue with people that believe something different.
Btw the last part wasn't aimed at you personally DTD just something I had to add..
Also I don't see why UK tabloids would make a big deal about her, she never was photographed much in L.A either yet she lived there..
Well, this is new: She left her first husband to marry Mike?? I though she was divorced first and then started dating Mike. :?:
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« on: December 29, 2009, 12:31:05 AM »
Something strange going on here, though. She lists herself as single on Myspace and claims to have moved to England.. yet absolutely nothing has been in the tabloids here about that. Hmmm.... I saw the pictures of her wedding on a Spanish magazine and not long ago an interwiev on a British magazine,where she is with the twins talking good about Michael, like she was missing him, and so on
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« on: December 28, 2009, 12:38:02 PM »
Michael Jackson – MJ is MTV’s Man of the Year 2009. Well…no words to praise this man. This title is only an addition to his already top position as the King of the Pop. MTV said, “Jackson’s legacy — not just his music or his effortless showmanship, but his charitable work too — extended to every corner of the earth, reached places even the United Nations dared not tread.” Jacko had always been the best in pop world and this title is just a proof to show that even after his untimely death he holds his top rank.
We wish all the three our heartiest congratulations. While the first two might read our wishes, MJ will hear our hearts and we are sure of that… So, Robbie Williams is not going to be King of Pop, as announced ?? Good news Well, I do like him very much but he has not been so long around or has sold millions of albums like Mike. His time will come. It will be very difficult to find someone to replace our Mike and inherit his Crown And why on earth are they still calling him Jacko?¿? :evil:
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