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« on: December 27, 2010, 03:02:45 PM »
cont: Furthermore- the picture at the funeral. I was like- ARE YOU KIDDING ME?  I belong to several big MJ/LMP boards and NO ONE has seen this picture before. I have seen Lisa and Riley hiding several rows up, but I have NEVER seen that image of Lisa standing over Michael's casket. Who took it? (she was the last person there, she said) Why was it just leaked now? Yeah, right! This was one of the most glaring clues there. I tend to think that Lisa was brought into the hoax that day. Someone mentioned the quote where she said "that gave her another six months of things to process" (not verbatim, but that was the gist)...well, yeah! I do believe Michael never got over her- and seeing her face no in that interview, I do not think she got over him. Her husband is toast. Her facial expression was ELATED when she talked about Michael and how well she understands him now. I do believe she thought she had lost him- and now, "all this love and understanding" is back. I think, when she talked about him before, those instances was fueled by 1) anger (she had "lost their unity" felt like an outsider, etc. Makes me wonder- did Michael not let her in all the way after their divorce - remember, they galavanted around quite publically for a long time- on purpose?), 2)immaturity, and 3) being heavily influenced by others and what THEY wanted her to believe. Now, she KNOWS better. She is one of the rare outsiders the family let in (invited to the funeral, the private party afterwards..which was odd in itself; and access To Forest Lawn).
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« on: December 27, 2010, 02:55:17 PM »
I liked how she stood up for their marriage. Loved it actually. And I found it very odd (in a good way) that LMP kept making references to Elvis throughout the interview. And also odd that she kept bringing up "the library by the fireplace" is there any significance in that? Also, there was mentioning of vampires and spiders...? I don't know what to think of that either.
I'm still trying to decipher it all.
On a side note: Did anyone else find it weird that LMP said she saw the Bashir interview and thought that Michael was intoxicated?
And I'd like to close my post by saying that photo of LMP by "Michaels Casket" looks posed. And how is it JUST being leaked now, more than a year after the fact? I'm just catching up on this thread- so I apologize in advance if I raise issues that will be raised again after this post (but which I have not read yet). The fireplace also caught me by surprise. Having been an avid investigator into Michael and Lisa's relationship (which I believe to be much deeper than people believe, the fireplace proposal also caught my eye and ear. Especially because the fireplace was also mentioned in her blog after his "death." (Fireplace- hm...meaning....phoenix rising from the ashes?)
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« on: December 26, 2010, 11:05:12 PM »
Welcome to the hoax family - it's good to have you here 
BTW, I like your username ... Eternal Fire It's even better to be here! This board is a blessing to my churning mind! Glad you like the name- some fires burn so brightly they will never be extinguished. 
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« on: December 26, 2010, 09:29:14 PM »
Thanks for the great welcome! It is so appreciated! I am a social scientist (so don't expect any numerology insights- that still baffles my mind- even as it makes all the sense in the world) - but still.... always schooled to go the empirically tested research route. It is funny- My mother is VERY much into alternative routes of knowledge, and we have had heated debates in the past. For example, she practices Reiki and also does a lot of Angel-Chi things that I cannot begin to understand. Yet, I have to allow that she has amazing insights on things- and when I have something going on, I will call her for Reiki.... As far as visions- no. I have had feelings concerning certain things that were confirmed by statements later on, but that was it. I do have several friends (not necessarily beLievers) who have had interesting visions, though. And- like I said, I do think there is more out there than we can measure and proove. I think both- science and spirituality have a place in the world, and that they are not mutually exclusive anymore. I believe in signs we get- and that at some point we have to stop chalking everything up to coincidences when there are clear patterns. And from what I have read- I seem to be in the right place for that belief!
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« on: December 26, 2010, 09:20:37 PM »
This is probably my favorite Christmas song- and hearing it in this context and in this redirect made me cry- with hope.
Thank you to TS! Merry Christmas to you, TS, to Michael, his family, and this community!
What a blessing to have found you guys!
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« on: December 26, 2010, 09:01:13 PM »
cont: Lisa also mentioned that Michael told her his life may be in danger- and gave her names. And we are to believe that Oprah just dropped that morsel? And Lisa, if that is so- how have you not been interviewed? Furthermore, would such knowledge and public admittance put her in grave danger? I was a bit baffled by her words on this one (and still am not clear on what to think). So, I am very tempted to think Lisa is on the "inside"- obvioulsy with Elvis, and if I go down that route- then also with Michael. She is one of the only people having inside Forest Lawn privileges outside the family. She pops up in places where Michael's children are (most recently in Hawaii a couple of months back). We have the sunflowers, and the we have the interview. We have her talking about how he is stubborn like her- in present tense. We have the fireplace references. We have her talk about missing being united with him- against outsiders. So, I am very tempted to think she might be TS... As far as being patient: If she has known all her life that her Dad is alive and could stand to live with it- she is very patient. Oh- some mentioned, it can't be her due to her being a Scientologist: BUT what if she is a plant? She has always been an odd scientologist (wearing crosses, saying God Bless...)- knowing she adored her father and how Elvis was very religious...it always seemed odd to see her as a Scientologist. Maybe I see patterns now where there are none...but isn't this what this investigation is about? 
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« on: December 26, 2010, 08:53:55 PM »
I am still trying to catch up on all this, so bear with me (I guess I am a newbie here and a re-awakened death hoax believer...if that makes sense). I wonder, with the connection to scientology mentioned, is it possible that Lisa, while having been indoctrinated (or was she?) from early on, could be an important plant into the "church?" I have to say, the Elvis connection seemed, up to a couple of days ago, "crazy" to me- but now, having read much of what is here and on other sources, I am more and more convinced, that indeed, it seems logical. I also was blown away by the realization that, indeed, Lisa had T and S capitalized on her blog. That one gave me chills. The beginning post from soldiergirl was so captivating- esp when you pointed out the "I told him it was a bad idea" quote. OF COURSE- it makes such sense now. I have been wondering for days now, how Lisa Marie fits in if Michael is alive. She is the most obvious link in his connection to Elvis of course. I also have always believed that Lisa and Michael have shared a very deep connection. Her recent Oprah interview cinched it. Even before I read this thread- I have wondered about the fireplace references she threw out there. At one point, I asked- how many things DID happen in Neverland in the library before the fire? And yes, she was more than obvious in pointing out the parallels between her father and Michael.
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« on: December 26, 2010, 08:32:42 PM »
I am new to this board- and after orienting myself a bit more (I have been doing more research on this than I remember doing when I was in grad school...)- I am SO glad I saw this thread! The rap has been bugging me since I heard it. And since this was around the time my beliefs in the hoax were strengthened, I was just blown away.
Then- the news about Neverland being remodelled hit- and the line from Threatened popped into my head!
It is SO good to read others have noticed all this- and I am not going totally nuts!
I also agree- the three songs that are so heavily debated stand out clearly- and, there was SO MUCH added emphasis on them from the start. I mean, really? Why release Breaking News if NOT to start a riot? It seemed so clear.
I liked what someone said re 2000Watts and how he prepared us that he can sound differently- YES! That was exactly what I thought when the whole "it doesn't sound like him" debate hit with BN.
Thanks for the lyrics to the rap, btw- I have been trying to find them for a couple of days now!
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« on: December 26, 2010, 08:13:38 PM »
Hello all!
I guess my introduction is like many others here: Part of me cannot believe I am here, as I am about the least likely person to believe in death hoaxes. Yet- here I am. And happy to be here!
Having been a fan of Michael's since I was in my early teens (I am 42 now), I took his death very hard- as many others have too. From the start, something just seemed off. Things did not fit- I told myself it was "crazy" to believe anyting else but that he was gone. As a scientist, I believe in empirical evidence- as a spirtitual being I have come to understand that there are many more things out there than what we can measure and proove. Anyway... I told myself it was just foolish to see patterns where there are none, and for about a year, I tried not to think about the possibility that this was a hoax.
Well, then I got fed up by how people talking about the hoax were treated by the overal fan community- with just plain hostility and rudeness. I cannot stand either. Both are usually fueled by ignorance. So, recently, I told myself, well, why not investigate what the beLievers believe in? I started by reading Pearl Jr's book (which I have not finished yet), then found this site and felt like I was being hijacked to another galaxy.
I have been trying to catch up on all the intro material, trying not to overload my brain. NOT an easy task. I am trying to take it one bit of info at a time- as I get more and more convinced that what I have felt from the start may actually be true: that Michael is alive.
So, thank you to this site- and thank you all of you posters here. I have only begun to exlore all there is to read, but I cannot wait to get to know you all!
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