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« on: April 19, 2011, 11:34:10 PM »
Is only an idea, I'll go with whatever group decides....err souza...lol...regardless i believe every question we answer as a whole makes the next easier to figure out.
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« on: April 19, 2011, 11:16:04 PM »
My 2 cents worth....lol..I think alot of our theories would overlap and connect. If I gave you mine and let you rip it up fine. But when bec does hers, we would probably rip some of the same things. So instead of "ripping"(used lightly), I purpose we build it together. That way as each item is discussed all opinions are given and seen and yet not "spread" all over the forum. Example, I say corpse, we debate but bec later says dummy. Well we already debated that point. and it would eliminate redundancies. anyways..............
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« on: April 19, 2011, 11:14:27 PM »
Hey guys and this should be fun...
One theory idea would work but I feel the most productive way to this is to critical think out each item in the hoax and debate its merit before moving on.
So as in my last TIAI post lets start there.
Question #1
Knowing what we know or think we do....
Could MJ pull off every aspect that we have seen with this hoax alone?
In essence this the beginning point as to where we are now. Discounting numerology, predictions and messages in the clouds, could he do it all, successfully without help?
Once we have come to a conculsion on this question we move to next and build "our" theory.
When the answer of yes and no is decided, we move to next question of (say 911 call, ambo , body etc) Tho holding strong to the question we have already answered. Basically if we decide MJ needed help or not that outcome is what we work with going forward. And as we build this "theory" each and every question we agree upon becomes "truth". I believe in the end if we stick to the answers we decide we would/wil be close to what really happened.
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« on: April 19, 2011, 10:49:33 PM »
I think souza is right, the helicopter is irrelevant til you answer who/what was is in ambo.
Honestly, noone has "real" proof and we all here can justify our own reasoning to make it make sense. Tho, somewhat disappointed TS started us down this path again and is not available to "guide" us thru, we can all argue the merits to our points forever.
At some point logic must takeover and fantasy and delusional(only because we want it to be true) ideas as to the events must end and tho no concrete evidence is available, logical and critical thinking must be used in order to discover the events of the hoax.
Example of critical thinking scenarios-
-Could MJ pull this off alone?
-You know must consider the scope, scale and those involved.
-Tho we love MJ and he has done a great many things and has met, rubbed and associated with the most powerful people, we WANT to believe he could do this alone without assistance.
-Now considering what we think we know, Is this really possible? And why?
MJ had/has many influences, and could pay/persaude/reward many people to play along.
Logically without emotion the possibility is very slim. So you must weigh this versus....
-Now consider why this is not possible. And why.
-could not pay everyone
-or have the influence to do so
-amount of departments, people and resources needed
-coordination , timing and "making the signs match exactly"
-so on and so forth.
For example purposes only, this appears to be heavily favored in the fact he most probably could not do this alone. Ruling out what your heart feels and your mind wants, it is quite clear MJ needed help.
And the process continues, So if help was needed then(next question). You know have a reference and logical starting point in which to return to when other issues/questions arise.
In time, the answers will answer themselves with the questions you have already debated. And a more realistic conculsion can be made.
MY heart says I see MJ move in the copter. Tho lighting and angles says it could be just that. But in fact, that very question could be answered without all the "what if" providing critical thinking is applied from the beginning and logic is used to interpet what you find. Because if we discover the answer to the body , we discover the ambulance, we discover the pic, the phone call etc etc. Which answers if/what was in copter. But all these answers are answered if you start at the bginnning.
Not saying the way each of you research and/or deduct your ideas is wrong, just maybe giving a different thought process that can be used. Ideas pertaining to all the various issues can give multiple results and moreso if not done in a chronilogical order. By concluding the questions in the order in which the happen will rule out many of "far fetched" ideads we have. (and I have had many)
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« on: April 16, 2011, 03:03:17 PM »
Let me clarify my statements since it has been blown out porportion. I have not nor wil not critize anyone for their opinion because i don't happen to agree. If I don't agree or have a legitmate reason as to flaw as what someone might think I would express that but never attack anyone for thoughts.
FBI- I did not say that is WHAT they do EVERYTIME/DAY. I said IF, IF, IF they wanted to they would. Since this hoax took years to plan most likely, guess what, the paramedics probably volunteered to be part and were conviently scheduled together that day. S ame with the UCLA. The coroner would understand why this had to be done and as govt official would of complied. NOT every agency in US is corrupt, but there are time and needs and areas that they all can be.
"see through your roof"- Thermal imaging folks, seen it personally and it's scary good. They can see you on the john, reading a book and yes not YET see the page number you are on, but they are close. Many on the miltary weaponary are equipped with technology, such as missles, drones, etc.
Again, I am only offering insight to things I actually know about. Just like when we have question the body in pic being dead for some time, I told you of my experiences as an RN now and what "death" looks like and transpires. Same with CPR, meds used , autospy lab draws etc. Most of you don't know those things but did not blast me over that. Again most of you have not seen the things I have during my Military days and don't know that either. ANd I don't know "jack" about Photoshopping or sewing for that matter but if you said that something was possible or whatever cool, learn something new everyday. Might ask for further explanation but not blast you because I didn't agree. Because it sounds"sci-fi" doesn't means it is. Regardless I very disheartened by the days past events and probably won't participate anymore, so good luck to all. May what we all hope happens , happens.
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« on: April 15, 2011, 10:08:59 PM »
I would like to apologize if I have offended anyone. As I only was trying to offer insight into real world. I have never once have demeaning to a person for their opinion. I do not really care if you believe what I say. I am only offering the knowledge I have obtained in life as it applies to this. I have seen many things, done many, some I am not proud of, but I will not tolerate an attack of my charcter. I am an RN now, I save lives instead of take them. AND I served most of you here, willing to die for your very freedom without even knowing who you are. So I will not apologize for the way I feel, only if I offended you in the process, as it wasnt my intention.
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« on: April 15, 2011, 09:11:57 PM »
Where are you from??? From wherever you are, you concentrate on analyzing and studying your own country. Is that clear? I mean it!
You don't give here nonsense lessons about American authorities!
Don't forget there are satelites and they can watch your writing too.
Are you serious? I am from the country I defended and watched my friends die while you sat your back-side eating bon-bons and watching your 56inch Plasma and reruns of LOST. You have no clue what you are saying or have no knowledge of the world in which you live. I have taken a bullet in the leg so you can enjoy your many freedoms and comforts that you obviously take for granted. I am an AMERICAN! I have bled for my country and for ungrateful bitches like yourself. So when you get a clue and want open your eyes to world in which you live, please do tell. Until then hop in BMW, head to the spa have lunch with your girlfriends and on the way home I hope you get blind-sided by an 18 wheeler and end up on vent with permanent brain damage. And the only words you ever say again is, Thank God for the Marine Core!
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« on: April 15, 2011, 08:47:29 PM »
and one last thing concerning peoples lack of knowledge concerning the FBI. AS a vet of the marine core , I have seen and witnessed things most of you would piss in your pants from. I have been on ops that were not military ordered but by Govt. agencies. Instructed to do things I felt were morally wrong. And do you think they really give a damm that you "think your not owned"? This is not MR. Rogers Neighborhood. The dream world you live that things , however morally wrong or injust , don't happen is just that, a dream. I am not trying to convince you this is reality, but only to inform you that you do not live in it. Think what you want, I know what I have seen and been made to do. You are a number, that can be easily disposed of. But whatever, I'm sure they will listen to you when start telling them about your "Bill of Rights" while they toss you in the bottom of the Pacific Ocean. MY bad your right.
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« on: April 15, 2011, 08:29:38 PM »
Im-convinced...
I strongly disagree with this. I didn’t quote your whole post but used these statements as an example of someone talking through their own fear. I am not owned by the FBI and I certainly do not think the ones involved in this hoax/sting operation are going to the extreme how you have described. That theory you have painted only exists in movies. It isn’t as bad as you say.
I appreciate your strong-willed comments and think that you make and have made many valid points and arguements in the posts I have read from you. Tho I do not wish to belittle or discredit your opinions, as we all are intitled to them, however with all due respect you are naive if you think this can't happen or doesn't.
I highly doubt if you were approach and told to perform a action from FBI you would refuse. You are 1 of 350 million americans and would not be missed if the FBI felt you were jeopardizing a National Secruity issue. In blink of an eye you would either be in a frozen jail cell in the middle of Alaska, or having conversations with your maker. Oh that's the movies....Where do you think that idea came from to use in the movies? Regardless of TS's is saying about goverments, fact is it happens. Or perhaps a threat against a love one may get you to think different. Seriously what could you really do? Who would you tell of this "personal violation"? And do you think they would believe you or even care? You are powerless to defend yourself. And if you read all of my posts concerning the FBI, I also stated the people selected would have been carefully screened and selected to perform this. The FBI knows what you ate for breakfast if they wanted to know. There are satelites in orbit that can see thru roof and see what page you are reading while on the john. What do you got?
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« on: April 15, 2011, 05:38:12 PM »
I don't think MJ and children lived at that house. I think this hoax is also a movie, and the EMTs were actors or FBI agents. Aren't the police suppose to show up? An officer showed up when my mother passed. Or are they purporting that they weren't called because the patient was still alive when transported from house to UCLA? I think the UCLA footage was filmed earlier also, because we never saw the ambulance pull up to UCLA on 6-25-09.
The guys directing traffic were bodyguards, and the EMTs were actors or FBI agents. If the police had of been there, then that tour van would have been turned around in my opinion. 17 on tour van. 71 on Ambulance. MJ had an ambulance at Neverland.
The only way I can see a dead body being transported initially is if that address was not the one MJ supposedly lived at and an elderly Asian man did live there or at an address similar in numbers and name, died and was transported to hospital. So the paramedics did take an elderly Asian man to hosipital from said address. Did they say he was alive or dead? I forgot. Or, that entire story could have been planted about the Asian man later.
If the 911 call was placed from the Beverly Hills Hotel, then everything else can be thrown out of the window. There are no suppositions to derive from that premise, because all things after that are false and fits an illusion of something real and true being jumpstarted from that call, so in effect all other happenings derive from that call. And why would there be more than one 911 call?
If it is a movie, then that address given as MJ's address is a staging/prop address, just like any other houses we see in movies. Remember the house MJ and his girl were in in the Thriller video was a prop. He rented that house strictly as a prop. No one should believe that chef Ms. Chase, because she came late on the scene, and she is probably an actress. Another illusion.
I think we should revisit who owned prop house.
More later.
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Register or Login This is an interesting interpetation and plausible. I believe we are close to uncovering something in this thread. Ideas and thoughts are becoming more alike with little variations. Tho we have no direction at the momment and seemingly frustrated as to circles we are going in, I dont see it as we are stuck. In fact perhaps a little more analyzing of the pros and cons in each theory will help us put these clues together. Even with no TS, we now have the info to build on and construct a truer version of events and reasons behind it. Perhaps that is what he is trying to make us see. TS has/had been making us aware of the smaller details within in the hoax. Allowing us to uncover and see the makings and workings of the way in which this was pulled off successfully. If those details are what we are after only now and all that interests us we are disserving ourselves and our abilities. While these "snippets" are interesting and insightful they only reaffirm that which we know and have hung on to for 2 years. I believe the pieces of the puzzle are on table and that we can figure out where they fit. And I think we are close. Very close. The information we have now leads in another direction than we have previously not looked. As our ideas have change over time, so has the information. We have researched to uncover things noone else cares about. We have cried, we have hit our head on the walls, ordered straight jackets but through it all remain strong in our belief. Even when it felt pointless. I don't think any one theory will totally be correct and there may be more than one that actually could of happened, such as this one. The next step is to redefine those ideas and give the reason why or why not they are true or improbable or insane. By reevaluating each, the different ideas will start to have common denominators that will link them together. And when we prove the truth to an area or idea it will lead us to the next and next. In last couple months I have been seeing a consisitent 4 or 5 ideas with common points that link them many of them together. However we one point is made that validates it or disputes it often get lost and forgotten in the madness of the thread. So I propose this my fellow insane family members. I will look back and find some of the theories I am referring too. Then open a thread for each one. If your feelings get hurt easy do not apply. As it pertains to each theory we rip/shred/validate and collabrate the points to each of them. And after we have done this, we will update the version to reflect what we find,then try to see that what links them all together and maybe find what we are looking for. I hate seeing this kind of post----"But yes, I do feel we're chasing our tails. Fun- but not utterly productive".---- Because we are, we just aren't putting it together. I will post later where to find this. Come by if you wanna play.
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« on: April 15, 2011, 04:11:14 PM »
speaking of TS...not that I'm complaining but my twisted mind can't help wondering what's keeping him away ...
Oh, for those who think there was no body, what do you think they moved from the helicopter to the coroner's van? Was it a dummy under that white sheet? Couldn't be thin air...maybe some pillows like we see in the movies Tho we have learned alot the last few weeks and opened our minds to new possibilities, I must say the ambo pic project was more fun because TS stayed involved. These last 2 have become more frustrating because even if we are on to something we have no way of knowing that we are.....booo No body at all seems less likely than having a body. Eiher a fake one or MJ himself. The biggest issue I have with Mj really being on the stretcher is the chance of being caught alive. The FBI has already completely abandoned normal protocol to allow MJ to do it his way. If making MJ disappear foever was the goal a simplier way would have been done. At this point I can not see them allowing MJ any chance of being exposed alive as there would be no defense if it was discovered. Fake just seems to the logical and safer route. But yet the "sitting" up vid has issues, however did we see that copter land to know what was inside before? And what if MJ was the surfboard on the table, remember they almost dropped him putting him into van. Too much risk.
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« on: April 15, 2011, 03:07:09 PM »
scorpionchik wrote:
GINAFELICIA wrote:
@scorpionchick I think that story about the romanian man who died of cancer instead of MJ is not true because I recall the AR didn't mention the deceased suffered of cancer or other terminal illness If it was true, the authopsy should have revealed he had cancer.
You are right. But, there is a consideration that autopsy is fake. In this case, even IF that was cancer patient dead instead and coroner is in hoax, they would not reveal cancer part since it would constitute doubt, cause everyone knew MJ did not have cancer. On the other hand, I am thinking, then why they need body at all, if autopsy is fake?
What a huge mess, right?
Maybe a little helpful medical insight here for you. There a several different kinds and types of cancer cell. Each kind has its own specific test to detect them. To my knowledge(may be wrong) but an autopsy does not do these tests unless there is a reason to know. Most of these test are very expensive and cash-strapped LA wouldn't just do them for fun. CBC,BMP Tox screen and UA are the normal standard lab draws. Most autopsies are done to find an unusal or suspicious cause of death. In this case, most likely they only looked for drugs because that was the suspected and was the ruling. BUT of course autopsy was fake too and planned out with desired outcome/cause already choosen....LOL>>>anyways, there is no "one size fits all" test for cancer yet. But they are however getting closer to it and I won't bore you those specifics. :ugeek:
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« on: April 15, 2011, 09:41:05 AM »
I am apologize for my 3 hour rant this morning, I have been up 28 hours now...lol..I think I come up with a better way to explain this and possibly give those losing faith some hope as well.
The very first page of this thread and the first thing at least that gets ur attention is the FBI hat. Subliminal Clue? Dont know but fits.
From what I have been reading about the fake body and peoples opinions concerning is this. The main purpose of the fake was to lessen the actually number of "outsiders" that need to be in on the hoax while giving the opprtuinity to for the people who were/are involved credibility that the body was MJ's and for truthful testimony to be given during the trial. Fine.
Now.......In order for MJ alone to pull this hoax off, a fake body would be a must. Alone, this body is really the only way he could attempt to fool everyone involved he was really dead. Tho flawed, perhaps the paramedics and even the hospital and staff might have beLIEved it really was him. He really died. And they saw it with there own eyes. At a minimum 25 people would have interacted in some way with the fake body on the 25th. That to me is 25 ways/reasons the hoax could be discovered before it even really started. Amazingly, noone figured out it was a fake and it did make it to the coroner. And that is where it ends. The coroner would have figured out it was fake and MJ really does not have the power or connections to presuade him to help with his hoax no matter the reason. So with that in mind, we know MJ has planned for years in great detail to hoax his death. Years of thought down the drain in the first hours of the first day. He could not do this alone and not without help.
Enter FBI>>>Whatever MJ has gotten himself into that would warrant the FBI's help and participation remains to be seen. As to the great depth of the hoax and the amount of coordination needed from the FBI, as well as the FBI's willingness to accept and agree to the terms/way MJ wanted it, whatever it is must be gigantic. Thus the reason and the plan is put into action.
The FBI could of "killed" MJ off without a body. But that is not a good show nor add to the realism or confirm that MJ died. So the FBI provided a fake body. 3 paramedics, coroner and assistance along with a doctor and 4 staff, were "asked" to take part as a matter of "National Security". This brings our outside people informed to the hoax to 10. A controlled group, very possibly choosen and selected for this after careful screening. So for the show, the wheel the fake body into UCLA, straight to a predetermined area under heavy secruity and privacy. Each persons role defined, actions, statements planned as instructed to do so. MJ dies. The announcement made and to continue to embed that MJ did die, is again wheeled out the copter and off to the coroner. A real-time drama with actual proof MJ had died broadcast to the public to absorb and accept. MJ is dead, free and removed. And mission is accomplished.
However at the same time MJ dies, a new and interesting element is introduced with many implications to the future. But first,
Now, we have established that the ambo pic was staged and shopped. This is our first real evidence and first domino. Why evidence? It shows us that this was staged and planned. Now knowing MJ could not do this alone and needed help and recieved it from the FBI. This to now validates it is fake. Shows us it was planned and if planned needed help, if needed help the FBI did so. And the FBI does not fail. IF they want something to happen it does, the way the want it to. Executed to a T, again only proving the pic is fake as it was part of a bigger picture. Thus proof MJ lives. Which brings us to the plan. Seems like alot of extra fluff made-for-tv was involved in the hoax. They were much easier ways to get same result. MJ could of died of overdose/heart attack at home. NO TV special, no press, taken to hospital pronounced and perhaps a "real" death photo released to prove he had died. But that is not what happened. A set of surreal events transpired before the worlds eyes. Events which left no doubt that MJ had died. BUT>>>>
That new element? AS they loaded MJ into the copter, it was now we are introduced to a man who ran out the back door. Conrad Murray. First , let's analyze his role. Honestly, much like the other fluff in the plan, Murray's part in this is really not needed. The events the way they played out on the 25th could of happened the same way with or without him. It added some drama. But having a doctor present throughout the events did not change anything or any way things were planned. Again, not necessary tho. Or was it....
Now the hoax was success. MJ dead. World falls for it. IF MJ wanted peace/freedom or whatever the reason, he now had it. Except for the door that was left open for things to come. Murray. Basically, he was not needed for this to succeed but yet involved anyway. And left to be tried for a crime he did not commit. Most likely convicted. And yet, this truly makes no sense as why he must take the fall. But it does....The very momment he is introduced into this, he began to play what I believe was his main purpose. Now this hoax is not just about MJ but a new focal point in Murray. He is the distraction, decoy and element to the plan that enables new events to take place. AS the shock wore off and MJ faded, our man Murray was now front and center. Followed, photographed,disected his role is now exactly as it was planned. Just about the time MJ fades from our memories, suddenly Mr. Murray becomes relevant again. A new development or story surfaces to keep us interested. But is that all?
If MJ ever returns remains to be seen. If he does regardless some backlash will occur. 2 years ago he was a laughingstock and mocked, 2 months from now? OMG Bamsday is here! MJ reappears from his death, however the backlash is not what one might expect. He is a hero? huh? Our FBI boys inform us the great courage and dedication MJ has shown by sacrificing himself in such a way in order to help our nation do whatever it the heck he got himself into in the first place. A national alibi. MJ our hero!
Back to ol' Murray. The martar, the fallguy, the guy who soon will have the world at center stage. MJ likes center stage. Quite comfy there actually.(or not) Murray has endured and completed what is needed for the "last curtain call". The trial. His main purpose. Which is why is doesn't matter if witnesses tell the truth. Why stories dont match, and calls seem fake or bodies or whatever else. I believe the trial won't happen. Wasn't ever suppose to. MJ "got away" for good if that was the plan. But it wasn't, and the door is open waiting.........
So to close MJ must be in some big time stink. Alot went into this, and can only imagine what may have warranted this kind involvement. Even if MJ has feelings/issues over the past with FBI etc. Obviously he had no choice, or he is dead....not. I need sleep.
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« on: April 15, 2011, 04:18:58 AM »
The reasoning behind a fake body i believe is this..........IF the coroner WAS the only person informed of the hoax, How do you allow a minimum of 25 people see a dead MJ, believe it was him so that these people do not commit prejury in court when they testify.
Fine, everyone bought into the fake body so they can testify in a trial for murder against a doctor who obviously was in it from the beginning?
So what exactly is Murray being tried for? And why? Convict him for a crime that wasn't committed?
Doesn't add up.
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« on: April 15, 2011, 04:00:48 AM »
@AllInGoodTime. You made me laugh :lol: :lol: :lol: not being disrespectful dear believers, but seriously how could the dead body of some other man make things better for the hoax, why will there be less people in on it? I still can't understand, maybe i'm stupid :? but i still don't get it! And that is the question I ask....it doesn't. A fake body tends to the theroy only a few people knew as to validate future testimonies. Like the ambo crew. To me, a fake body only opens door for error and discovery. IF the body was fake and the ambo's didnt know it wasn't really MJ then there is 3 less people involved. And then next UCLA fooled by it and so on.....the theroy being tossed around. I don't buy it.
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