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« on: February 24, 2011, 01:58:58 AM »
I never considered there being doubles in Living with Michael Jackson. The only thing which was weird is that when he changed the story about whether or not he knew Blanket's mother, Bashir never stopped him and said "But you said you knew her, and had a relationship with her...and now you're saying you used a surrogate you didn't know at all." I mean, it was an obvious contradiction and I always thought even someone scummy as Bashir could surely not be that stupid to have not picked up on it?! I mean, seriously...Bashir was meant to be a well paid journalist who interviewed Princess Diana, MJ and who knows who else...but huge celebrities...and he's that stupid he actually missed the contradiction right under his nose? Give me a break... :roll:
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« on: February 24, 2011, 01:28:44 AM »
This has created war of words in the past...and you dare go there 
Yep...Michael definitely on the right. One, maybe two of the real MJ on the left....but there are fakes mixed in as the others are saying.
It's been documented that Navi was at the 02 that day - however, I don't think that was him on stage. I'm not sure who that was...
It's also been documented that fans swarmed one of the impersonators at the 02 thinking it was Michael - but it wasn't.
[youtube:31iq27gx]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1mTtuaaP0M[/youtube:31iq27gx] I just commented on that video because it's hilarious; it's pending approval. My comment was: Those people must be f***ing blind. When he shows his face to the camera from 0:50 you can clearly see it's not him. It's only from behind he resembles Michael but they were looking directly at his face. It's blatantly obvious the man is an impersonator; those "fans" must be on bloody drugs I swear.
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« on: February 23, 2011, 10:22:06 PM »
EyeheartMJ thank you for posting this thread. You should definately become a psychologist, I am a psychologist. This Michael in 02 is not the real Michael. He has a different voice, and also different mannerism. If you want to learn what gestures mean look at the real Michael and check it out. Blessings. Oh it's cool that we have a psychologist on the site and yeah I don't know what to make of it now, haven't really considered it being an impersonator but if it is then it must be a damn good take-off...perhaps the real Michael taught him exactly how to act...but how could you explain the voice he had? Only when he said "Thank you all" his voice went deeper than normal. But otherwise it was MJ's voice? I mean, he couldn't have mimed it that well could he? :? Thank you EyeHeartMJ!!
I am the one who wrote the "Speech in a whole new light" and was pleased to see that
you followed up with a new thread and some great body language explanations!!!!
Great analysis!! I really believe that Michael said a mouthful without really saying much. I also believe that the hoax started on that day... The day of the 02 conference!
Maybe our threads could be combined?? That would be cool! Yeah that would be awesome! Yeah I was thinking the timing of the conference was just too close to his "death" and I think others have said he did it that way so it would not be a shock to anyone, as in, it's more convincing as people would think "oh, it's all the pressure and physical activity that caused his cardiac arrest, no wonder..." and if there were doubles in TII it also adds up. Instead of just out of the blue he has a cardiac arrest. Because also if it was out of the blue, people would be suspicious as to why Conrad Murray just happened to be with him. Whereas it's more believable if he's got upcoming "concerts", of course he'd want a doctor with him to keep him healthy etc. @ curls Ok good to know the event was genuine. Maybe it was the front people who were actors, I do still think they seemed a bit fake. Also I just meant the tone of the English guy's voice sounded like he was dissing him, I know he meant that he was so close, but just his voice sounded really mean. Maybe I took it the wrong way :lol:
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« on: February 23, 2011, 06:57:44 PM »
With so many people questioning if it was really him or not, and the more I think about it I'm just not sure anymore. I don't understand how an impersonator could fake his voice as well as mannerisms. Maybe it was really Michael but he had taken drugs so he was acting a bit differently? Then again Joe supposedly said there were doubles in TII. If there were then I think MJ would have made sure they were quite thin so when his "death" happened it wouldn't come as much of a surprise, had he have been a healthy weight. First time I saw the movie previews I was struck slightly at how different he looked, but I don't know which parts of TII were him, and which were doubles. Or if his death really happened, and Kenny etc made the whole thing with doubles, I'd think that'd be illegal and obviously his family would be speaking out straight away, suing them or whatever. I think when you see the start of the clip when he's walking into the arena, you can tell it is him because he has a distinct walk. He has a really sexy walk  like with his shoulders, can't explain it... I've said in another post about my mum who is usually right when she has a gut feeling. We were watching the conference on DVD right after I joined this site, and she said every time she sees the crowd cheering, something doesn't sit right with her. Later when I tried telling her it could be a hoax, and there's good evidence, she basically didn't want to hear any of it, saying it's BS because of all the documents proving it, and that'd it be illegal, and "try telling that to his mother" who she just saw on Oprah. I burn MJ/J5 stuff off youtube to burn so we have new stuff to watch sometimes, and I'm thinking I should burn more stuff and throw in Dave Dave and just go along with what it's supposed to be (Michael's friend) and see if she notices anything. She's really observant so it'd be interesting, she's never seen the LKL clip before. Even in TII at the start when the dancer says he's been looking for something...and "this is it" I knew it was set up and even my mum said the same. Sorry for the tangent  there's just too much to think about...yeah watching the O2 crowd it does definitely look set up...the more I see that crowd it becomes obvious they're acting. We need someone who was actually there to say "yeah this was a real crowd" coz in a book I've seen a photo of the crowd and it's massive, it stretches right out the back, so I just don't know. Also the English guy at the end, it seemed inappropriate and very rude he would say "was that weird for you too?" Actually it just occurred to me right now; MJ hated the English tabloids. Do you think there's a connection between that and why this would be held in London?
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« on: February 23, 2011, 06:17:03 PM »
Great job hun!!! Also everytime I see him jumping around at the O2 I picture Tom Cruz on Oprah's show when he was telling her how much he loved Katie.....It was just not MJ like to me....I think of Tom Cruz everytime I see him when it comes to the O2 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Omg I never thought of that. That's exactly what it was like!
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« on: February 23, 2011, 07:35:33 AM »
It might not be the real Michael lying, but have you ever heard the term half-truth, or manipulation?
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« on: February 23, 2011, 03:48:05 AM »
He says "I love you so much" but says it again because his voice was not on the mic properly. Least I think that's the part you mean.
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« on: February 23, 2011, 03:26:40 AM »
I viewed this particular video of the press conference: You are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginI'm no expert, but I've read a lot of body language books, I'm really into psychology (hoping to study it soon.) I found new, interesting things from the video as I went along, that I'd never noticed until now. Here's my take it on it, and I hope it makes sense: When Michael starts to say "These will be..." he uses what experts call a "politician's point" which, as the name suggests it's the gesture a lot of politicians use. It means they are trying to get a clear point across. The gesture is when he presses his index finger and thumb together. Michael then shows the palm of his hand for quite a long time. Any time we see the palm, we can assume the person is honest. Perhaps Michael knows this and kept it up for a long time, purposely to gain the audience's trust; as if to prove he is being honest. After this he goes back to the politician's point. He then starts to say "This will be it, and when I say this is it, it really means this is it..." and right as he says "it really means this is it" he closes his fingers over his palm (not so honest?) He starts giggling which could be from all the attention and he feels embarrassed (he's done that plenty of times) and he leans over the podium, as if he doesn't want to look at the audience (again may just be embarrassment.) The hand over the chest implies again, honesty, sincerity. But he puts his left hand first and then right, so both hands are on his chest. Defensiveness, insecurity maybe? Then he smiles and touches his bottom lip: "I'll be performing the songs my fans wanna hear." When he says the word "fans" his shoulders go up, that suggests tension, nervousness. Touching the lip/laughing could mean lying but any time anything goes up to the mouth, it means the person is seeking reassurance. So insecurity is there. Then he starts saying again "This is it, I mean this is really it..." Notice the palm is back, just like the first time he tried to make it clear "This is it." Something else I just picked up on (I'm watching it bit-by-bit as I type this to be sure I don't miss something lol.) he then says "I'll see you in July." Do you notice when he pronounces the word "July" it makes the whole statement sound more like a question. More like "I'll see you in July?" This means he is unsure of himself because if he was sure of himself it would come out like a definite statement. Maybe he was unsure if he could go through with the concerts, or maybe he knew there wouldn't be any concerts. Omg another thing I only just noticed. Look at 4:45 in the clip. After he says "I'll see you in July" (sounding like a question) he says "And..." He is smiling and he suddenly closes his mouth. Watch his throat! He swallows! He could be lying, or feeling nervous. Why, I wonder? He then tilts his head to the audience, did he just see someone who made him nervous? THEN he puts his hand up, giggles and says "I love you. I really do..." Now, go back to my last paragraph. What did he mean when he said "And..." AND WHAT Michael? It looked like he wanted to add something, then stopped himself and felt nervous, thus closing his mouth to swallow. Then, to distract the audience from what he almost said after the "And..." he puts his hand up (another palm), giggles and tells them he loves them a few times. "You have to know that" he says. Why do we *have* to know it? All his fans know he loves them back. I don't think I've ever heard him tell an audience he loves them the way he did. I know it was meant to be his final shows, but if he said it in such a final way because of that, surely he would make more of a speech, thanking people throughout his career, his family, fans? He would be clearer and say thanks for all the decades of loyal fans, and thanks to all the people he worked with. The whole speech just sounded so disjointed. He definitely looked nervous about something, I can tell you that much. Either he was nervous of his fans' reactions to him implying he was retiring, or he was nervous because he was hiding something. He couldn't possibly be that nervous out of shyness and the embarrassment of all his fans cheering for him; he has done plenty of other speeches (recent ones) where fans were cheering him on, yet he did not act that way. HOLY cow I just picked up something else. At 3:31 he says "These will be my final show performances...in London." WATCH the way he emphasises the word London. After he says "performances" he moves his head quickly to ADD the word "London." He also raises his eyebrows when he adds "London." So does that mean it's his last shows in London, but not elsewhere? It looks as if he adds "in London" to clarify he only means London and not elsewhere. Can you see what I mean? Watch closely.
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« on: February 23, 2011, 03:22:47 AM »
I just typed up an analysis, and it was quite long so I put it in a new thread. Check it out. You are not allowed to view links.
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« on: February 23, 2011, 03:17:24 AM »
I viewed this particular video of the press conference: You are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginI've read a lot of body language books, I'm really into psychology (hoping to study it soon.) When Michael starts to say "These will be..." he uses what experts call a "politician's point" which, as the name suggests it's the gesture a lot of politicians use. It means they are trying to get a clear point across. The gesture is when he presses his index finger and thumb together. Michael then shows the palm of his hand for quite a long time. Any time we see the palm, we can assume the person is honest. Perhaps Michael knows this and kept it up for a long time, purposely to gain the audience's trust; as if to prove he is being honest. After this he goes back to the politician's point. He then starts to say "This will be it, and when I say this is it, it really means this is it..." and right as he says "it really means this is it" he closes his fingers over his palm (not so honest?) He starts giggling which could be from all the attention and he feels embarrassed (he's done that plenty of times) and he leans over the podium, as if he doesn't want to look at the audience (again may just be embarrassment.) The hand over the chest implies again, honesty, sincerity. But he puts his left hand first and then right, so both hands are on his chest. Defensiveness, insecurity maybe? Then he smiles and touches his bottom lip: "I'll be performing the songs my fans wanna hear." When he says the word "fans" his shoulders go up, that suggests tension, nervousness. Touching the lip/laughing could mean lying but any time anything goes up to the mouth, it means the person is seeking reassurance. So insecurity is there. Then he starts saying again "This is it, I mean this is really it..." Notice the palm is back, just like the first time he tried to make it clear "This is it." Something else I just picked up on (I'm watching it bit-by-bit as I type this to be sure I don't miss something lol.) he then says "I'll see you in July." Do you notice when he pronounces the word "July" it makes the whole statement sound more like a question. More like "I'll see you in July?" This means he is unsure of himself because if he was sure of himself it would come out like a definite statement. Maybe he was unsure if he could go through with the concerts, or maybe he knew there wouldn't be any concerts. Omg another thing I only just noticed. Look at 4:45 in the clip. After he says "I'll see you in July" (sounding like a question) he says "And..." He is smiling and he suddenly closes his mouth. Watch his throat! He swallows! He could be lying, or feeling nervous. Why, I wonder? He then tilts his head to the audience, did he just see someone who made him nervous? THEN he puts his hand up, giggles and says "I love you. I really do..." Now, go back to my last paragraph. What did he mean when he said "And..." AND WHAT Michael? It looked like he wanted to add something, then stopped himself and felt nervous, thus closing his mouth to swallow. Then, to distract the audience from what he almost said after the "And..." he puts his hand up (another palm), giggles and tells them he loves them a few times. "You have to know that" he says. Why do we *have* to know it? All his fans know he loves them back. I don't think I've ever heard him tell an audience he loves them the way he did. I know it was meant to be his final shows, but if he said it in such a final way because of that, surely he would make more of a speech, thanking people throughout his career, his family, fans? He would be clearer and say thanks for all the decades of loyal fans, and thanks to all the people he worked with. The whole speech just sounded so disjointed. He definitely looked nervous about something, I can tell you that much. Either he was nervous of his fans' reactions to him implying he was retiring, or he was nervous because he was hiding something. He couldn't possibly be that nervous out of shyness and the embarrassment of all his fans cheering for him; he has done plenty of other speeches (recent ones) where fans were cheering him on, yet he did not act that way. HOLY cow I just picked up something else. Back at the start when he says "These will be my final show performances...in London." WATCH the way he emphasises the word London. After he says "performances" he moves his head quickly to
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« on: February 22, 2011, 05:18:12 AM »
Yeah but what did they tell the public about where he went after supposedly being at ULCA? Coz if they told the public it was an airport maybe that's why he said airport...
But - was he supposedly in the helicopter *before* or *after* getting to the hospital? Just the fact there was meant to be a helicopter involved, may suggest the reason he said airport... do helicopters even take off or land at airports anyway?! :?
I thought about Jermaine's announcement of MJ's 'death.' He said "the legendary king of pop."
Now, if you're that devastated over your brother's death, why the heck would you say something as theatrical/dramatic as "legendary king of pop"?! Isn't that just slightly inappropriate? King of Pop was just a label his fans call him, so why would his own brother come out and call him that, while announcing his death? You'd be too heartbroken to even think of adding KING OF POP.
I know others have said it means Michael, King of Pop died, but not Michael the person. I can agree with that. But the above is just what I thought of the other day. My point is the words King of Pop seem highly inappropriate to include in the announcement of your brother's death. :|
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« on: February 21, 2011, 09:37:15 PM »
Paris' speech is what convinced me that Michael is still alive. She pretty much said the same things I heard her say a few years earlier. Yes, it was all present tense. And NO, she never shed one tear that I could see. (Sorry, if this offends anyone, but that's how I saw it) She said in the memorial speech and also on Oprah he was "the best father." In the Geraldo interview MJ said exactly that; he wants to be "the best father in the world." Unless a family member knew that's what he wanted to be known for and told Paris to say it? Hmm.
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« on: February 21, 2011, 09:19:13 PM »
Just a question, what happened to the 'body' after it was supposedly at ULCA? Someone mentioned the coroner's helicopter so that's the only connection to an airport/flying I can think of. Where did the helicopter take the body? They said an autopsy was carried out, maybe the body needed to be flown to the airport, and transported elsewhere for an autopsy, and that's why JJ mentioned airport? Would they do that?
Or maybe JJ was intending to leave Australia soon after the interview and had his trip home in mind?
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« on: February 21, 2011, 07:40:28 PM »
Yeah it's her you can tell from the nice blue eyes and note she's wearing the same watch as she did on Oprah. Although I can't believe the family would allow so many photos to be released like that, it's not like they're paparazzi pics, she would've had to upload them herself online, or had someone else upload them...
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« on: February 21, 2011, 02:55:18 AM »
YES I picked up on this too. He said the band looked like they just killed a member of their family but I thought it was VERY inappropriate since it was after MJ's "death."
The whole bloody series seemed extremely contrived. It was made to look natural but after watching the first couple of episodes I began to sense it was not natural at all. For many reasons.
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