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Other Odd Things / Re: Was MJ at his own bday celebration on 8/29/14?!!!
« on: September 09, 2014, 10:45:43 PM »
@michaelslady Kind of odd that you mentioned Paris looking 'like she had something on her mind'.

I just saw online that there are rumors that Paris is pregnant.

And I agree with you about that person wearing what he is. I know the pic isn't real clear but it looks like he is wearing like a nylon over his face.

I watched the full video and the woman and that person stood behind the gate for a long time before they were let in. So I'm guessing that they are fans (or decoys!) but again just one more oddity in all of this.

And too the pics in the window in the other house and Katherine and Blanket in the backyard, just odd.

But then again has there been anything not odd about the past 5 years?

Love you Michael!

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Other Odd Things / Re: What i hear in Xscape lyrics!!!!
« on: September 09, 2014, 10:33:33 PM »
I have both versions of the cd and even between those there are differences - starting with the cover.

Why would one be in silver and one be in gold? Why would the hair be different? Why would parts of the jacket be different?

Another song that has differences is Loving you; he says I'll stay home instead but the booklet has I'll stay home in bed.

Michael, when did you record the final version that we hear on the cd???? And why did you change the words? I think it was for all of the beLIEvers. To let us know he is still around and that we should stick around too.

 :michael_jackson-1135:

Love you Michael!

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@curls LOL! No mystery, the reason for not posting for so long is that I was actually a member someplace else.

As for the phone number, yes a call had been placed from Murray's home phone number on June 25th. Michael Amir showed it to the world when he was on the stand. Do you remember him holding up his cell phone and it displayed 3 numbers; cell, home and office. He said he wasn't sure if he had the right number listed for what place but the numbers belonged to Murray and both the defense and prosecution actually had to make a stipulation about all of the phone numbers involved (exhibit 52) which got me searching which ended up finding a site online that dealt with phone numbers and it was clear that the number listed for Murray's home was indeed a home phone number, not a cell.

Haven't been able to figure out who called though!

Love you Michael!

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Other Odd Things / Re: Was MJ at his own bday celebration on 8/29/14?!!!
« on: September 08, 2014, 11:00:36 PM »
It's possible it is him, but it also could be someone made to look like it could be Michael - that illusion thing again. Maybe to get some controversy going?

Love you Michael!

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TMZ Articles / Re: MEMBER OF MURRAY LEGAL TEAM TO FACE CONTEMPT HEARING
« on: September 08, 2014, 10:33:13 PM »
I've done a quick search to see if I could find if he made it to court on Nov. 29th (same day Murray was sentenced) but no luck.

The mug shot guy was arrested for public intoxication and our lawyer Matt is a DUI lawyer  :icon_bounce:. He is also no longer part of the Stradley, Chernoff, Alford team; Matt has his own solo practice. I wonder when that happened?

The resemblance is just uncanny - they say we all have a twin.......

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Love you Michael!

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Info for new members / Re: List of questions about the past 4+ years
« on: September 07, 2014, 07:11:38 PM »
1.   What is your username and has it always been the same?

Iamhere4mj – on here, yes

2.   What made you look into the hoax and when?

I was at work when I heard the news and just like everyone else I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. As I watched all of the news reports that night calmness overcame me and I knew Michael was alive. The reason is very personal and for some it would sound absolutely bizarre.

Maybe this belongs in question 14! LOL!

3.   What do you think is his reason to hoax his death?

I believe that the hoax was not to be as it has turned out to be.

I think Michael was pulling off the hoax to get back at the media (it started with that radio show) and to see how the world really viewed him but something happened. Either he or his kids were in danger and something had to be done.
 
4.   Who do you think are 100% in on the hoax?

Most of the Jackson family, Kenny, Travis, some of the This Is It crew, Branca and McClain, FBI, some of the LAPD, Conrad Murray, Nicole Alvarez, Alberto Alvarez, his kids of course, Randy Phillips and so on.

5.   Do you think he will come back and if yes; why, when and how? If not, why do you think he will not return?

I have believed with my whole heart that Michael would return up until recently. Maybe because so much time has gone by and there is less and less information being reported, but then I go over everything again and I ask myself, how could he not come back?

There is no way he would be away from his kids forever. I do think he sees them but not as much as he should.

Michael will slip in quietly (maybe as Miss Blondie), play with us and then BAM! Not sure of any specific date though.

6.   Do you believe MJ reads the forum and do you think he posts. If yes, do you have a suspect?

You bet he reads the forums – I believe he was also on the LKL blogs! I don’t know if he posts on forums but every once in a while there is a post that comes out of nowhere and you never see another post from that person again.

7.   How long do you think this hoax was in the planning? Please explain why.

I think Michael had thought about a hoax many times over the years but every time it was about to happen something delayed it. But it couldn’t be delayed anymore.

I think it started when he left the US in 2005.

Does everyone remember the recording studio he was at in 2006?

Well on their website after Michael passed, there was this:

After being left fall into a dilapidated state, the stud farm and house was purchased by Paddy and Claire Dunning, the owners of the award-winning Grouse Lodge Recording Studios and Coolatore House. It was purchased in trust for their client, Mr. Michael Jackson, who had hand-picked the house to become his Irish estate. Michael was recording nearby and had a deep love for Ireland. Creatively and personally the country allowed him a freedom he had not experienced in years. And the first stages of what would have been the comeback of the century were plotted in Westmeath. Working with the very best in local labour and working to designs Jackson had made with a local architect. Amongst many features was a state-of-the-art wooden extension which features four brand-new bathrooms and culminates in a spectacular roof garden with 360 degree panoramic views of the Westmeath countryside.

Sadly, he never got to see the finished house which Paddy and Claire, who are also members of the Georgian society, restored to its former glory in 2009. The future is what you make of it.

The above has been replaced with this:

After being left fall into a dilapidated state, the stud farm and house was purchased by Paddy and Claire Dunning, the owners of the award-winning Grouse Lodge Recording Studios and Coolatore House and members of the Georgian society. It was restored to its former glory in 2009 and is now available for rent.

8.   Do you think we have overlooked something or haven’t examined enough and if so, what?

Because of all of the information that we have and at the speed it was given, we have overlooked a lot of things and should always go back in time and re-look at things.

Since I am somewhat new here, I haven’t had a chance to go over all of the posts and see what has been talked about.

My favorites are the autopsy report, the ambulance at the hospital (that day and the other day) and the 02 press conference.

9.   Which part of the hoax do you like less?

All of the bickering.

10.   What do you think is the best hoax video / YouTube channel?

I don’t watch hoax videos anymore.

11.   Do you think O2 guy was MJ?

YES!

12.   What old topic should be discussed again you think?

Who is buried at Forest  Lawn?

13.   If you would have to make a non-believer reconsider and you could pick 3 things to make your point, which 3 things will that be?

I only need one: Listen to the beginning of Hold My Hand. Michael says I’m Alive and akon says They got it MJ.

What more proof do you need than Michael saying he is alive and akon confirming what the believers have known all along?

14.   Is there anything you believe about the hoax/MJ that you rather not say because you think people will think you are crazy? If yes, please share! Hahahaha.

I believe there are two Michaels. And who would be the other Michael? I believe it’s Brandon, Marlon’s twin.

1.   That odd statement from Marlon about Brandon at the memorial and a transcript that I found from CNN where someone stated that Brandon had spearheaded the whole thing.
2.   There are 10 children depicted in the Michael cd mural – Brandon is painted in as being around 12 years old and if you look close enough it is like he is hiding between Michael and Marlon.
And who could look more like Michael other than a family member?

15.   What made you laugh the hardest the past 4 years?

Probably when Blanket wiped his hand on his mouth and then shook Oprah’s hand during the interview with the kids and Katherine and Joe.

The most surprised moment was when Miss Katherine stated in the Oprah interview that Dr. Murray told her that Michael was no longer with them. All along it had been made to be that there was no contact between Murray and the family at the hospital.

16.   Anything else you want to share or questions you think should be added?

I’ve been going through the autopsy threads and maybe I missed it, but I’m not seeing anything discussing the diabetes test that had been done. It came back that the diabetes was well under control.

If that autopsy was not on Michael and Michael didn’t have diabetes, then who was that test done on? Or does Michael have diabetes?

Also, there are huge similarities between Michael’s and Whitney’s deaths. It is a possibility that Whitney is still alive.

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The Double Theory / Re: 2 MJ's
« on: September 07, 2014, 04:57:02 PM »
I do believe there have been multiple Michael's over the years, but when the Michael cd came out and we were given that huge mural to look through, I started to believe that perhaps there was a twin involved.

Who's twin? I think Marlon's twin, Brandon.

On the Michael mural there is this:

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This depicts 10 children, with Brandon being depicted as being between 10 and 12. Why would he be depicted at that age if he died at child birth? I can't say for sure which one is Marlon and which one is Brandon, but one of them looks like they are hiding. Or is this person Michael's twin?

There is also a transcript from CNN with this:

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CNN LARRY KING LIVE
Michael Jackson Laid to Rest
Aired September 3, 2009 - 21:00   ET

KING: Who's putting this all together?
MANNING: The whole family. Everybody is involved (INAUDIBLE)...
ROWE: (INAUDIBLE) has spearheaded it.
MANNING: Yes, right. Yes.
ROWE: Brandon Jackson.
MANNING: Yes.
ROWE: He's doing a great job.
MANNING: Yes.
KING: He's the man, huh?
ROWE: Brandon's the man.
MANNING: Yes, he is. And, you know, Leonard...
ROWE: He's a (INAUDIBLE) guy.


Brandon Jackson? Odd.......

There was discussion on this thread about the scar on his cheek; I totally agree with that - sometimes you can see it and sometimes you can't. Michael also has a scar (or raised skin) on his right index finger - sometimes you can see it and sometimes you can't:

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Love you Michael!

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TMZ Articles / Re: MEMBER OF MURRAY LEGAL TEAM TO FACE CONTEMPT HEARING
« on: September 07, 2014, 02:03:48 PM »
Hi all - I'm going to try and post some pics, hopefully it will work!

I was googling Matt Alford today and found the original pic we were shown on him; I have put this pic side by side to the 'bow tie' man Alford. Do you think they are the same person?

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Then I fell off of my chair when I saw this pic!

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Is that Alford the lawyer or someone who just looks very much like him?

My thoughts came back to Alford facing contempt, but was it for being arrested?

What do you think?

Love you Michael!

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I like so many others think that Murray is the key figure in all of this and that he does represent Michael to a degree.

Do I think Murray is a real doctor? Yes I do. I base that on an article on his fathers death.

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I'm sure everyone remembers that Murray's father lost his license for subscribing medication that he shouldn't have, why that was important information for us to find I don't know.

So if Murray is a real doctor, why did he agree to take the fall in a hoax? Maybe he truly is a really good friend of Michael's.

Is it possible the Murray that we see is not the real Murray? Yep.

Was he involved in this hoax or being used? I think he has been a part of this since day one. The reason I believe this is because of the telephone call that was placed from Murray's Las Vegas residence on June 25th, 2009 - one of the phone numbers that Michael Amir made sure we saw during the trial. That phone number belonged to a land line, not a cell like everyone wanted us to believe. Why would someone be calling from Murray's home on June 25th, 2009?

Lots of questions still remain unanswered, but I believe Murray does hold the key to all of this.

Love you Michael!


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Dr. Conrad Murray / Documentary from Murray's Website
« on: September 04, 2014, 07:18:16 PM »
Hi Everyone! I'm kind of new here, been a member for awhile but haven't posted much.

Murray created a website and posted a 3 hour video back in June, I'm not seeing that on this forum so I thought I would share. The website is no longer active but our good friend Murray posted the documentary on youtube (I just ran across it).

I think the documentary is pretty interesting! I'll post links to the videos in case I didn't get the actual video posted correctly on here.

Conrad Murray Talks - Full Version Part 1 
Dr. Conrad Murray   
 
Published on Aug 4, 2014

June 25, 2014 - Dr. Conrad Murray talks about the case involving the death of Michael Jackson publically for the first time and presents the inconsistencies brought forth by the prosecution through the court proceedings. Dr. Murray uses actual trial footage to make his case that he was wrongfully charged. Part 1 of the full version of the presentation.


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#http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgTuxODC2fk#


Dr. Conrad Murray Talks - Full Version Part 2 
Dr. Conrad Murray

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#http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY8SKEnlTeM#


This is what I got out of it:

1.   Klein. The Demerol shot that had been given 3 days prior to June 25th was talked about. Murray stated that Michael was suffering on June 25th because of withdrawals he was going through (48 – 72 hours prior to his passing). Murray said he didn’t know Michael was going through withdrawals because Murray was unaware that Michael was a drug addict.

Now this is where you go hmmmmm. Murray stated that he had been giving Michael an infusion drip of propofol up to 3 days before June 25th and then stopped. That would have been the same time when the last Demerol shot was given.
 
Michael, according to Kleins records that were shown in court received other Demerol shots but nobody said how he acted on those days, only the 3 days prior to the 25th.

Murray brought up the point the Judge refused Klein, his nurse and the office manager from testifying. Again, why? Medical records are readily shown but won’t call the people who actually wrote them. Were the records from another time? Were they from years ago? Were they not Kleins? Klein said he was out of the country during some of the shots.

2.   Robert S. Markman. Who? Some of you may remember this guy. He gave his daughter Propofol for 5 years because she was in pain. There is a topic on the forum about this.

Murray went on to say that Dr. Schaffer said that propofol was not to be used in a home setting and bashed Murray for it. But yet Dr. Schaffer said it was ok for Markman to give his daughter propofol for pain. Propofol is not used for pain. It is to knock you out for surgery. Murray made sure he gave us the court #: 2012030549.

3.   Autopsy. The video talked about what is in the autopsy (my ears perked up on this!). Murray went over what the numbers meant in the brain (pay close attention to this), heart, and femoral artery.

As you know the defense tried to say that Michael killed himself. Well, Murray went step by step and explained things in a way that I actually understood. My head was spinning during the trial with all of that info, but our dear friend Murray was there to shed some light on this.

First, apnea can cause cardiac arrest and that is what was first stated as cause of death; Michael had suffered a cardiac arrest.

Murray kept talking about the damn test for the brain tissue and I kept talking right back to the computer screen, the brain was removed and placed in a container! I don’t think Murray heard me.

Then Murray said this:

It is unthinkable that the brain propofol concentration was never provided in the case by the coroner whose primary job is to speak for the dead.

It was further stated by Murray the result of the portion of the eye that had been tested was 0.04. That concentration is too low to have caused apnea. There was not enough propofol. But yet the autopsy says he died of acute propofol intoxication.

And keep in mind what Murray said: NO RESULTS WERE PUT IN THE AUTOPSY ABOUT THE PROPOFOL LEVEL IN THE BRAIN and THE CORONER SPEAKS FOR THE DEAD, SO THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED.  Oh wait, Michael isn’t dead.

4.   Phone calls. It was pointed out that Dr. Schaffer believed Murray gave Michael a drip when Murray kept saying that he didn’t. This means Murray should have been monitoring Michael at the time the cardiac arrest happened according to Schaffer.

Murray provided a chart showing what was testified to in court by Schaffer, Rogers, White and Cooper on what they thought the time would be where the propofol would have left the body and the patient wouldn’t be in any harm (based on the dosage Murray gave Michael). The average was 10 minutes up to 15 minutes. Now here comes the math.

Murray’s last phone call was at 10:43 am. 

Last injection was at 10:40 – 10:50 am.

Murray did not answer his phone at 11:00 am

Next call taken was at 11:18 am.

The above information supports Murray was not giving Michael a drip, but he was monitoring Michael during the 15 minutes that the drug would have lasted.

5.   Dr. Schaffer. Plenty of items were presented showing that Schaffer had it out for Murray. For instance, the tubing that Schaffer had purchased that was presented in court as what Murray had used. There was a difference of 2 ½ feet which would not have given the same results. The charts he had created but then amended which were not giving the same results (he had Murray giving Michael a propofol infusion starting at midnight – Michael was at rehearsal at that time).

6.   DA Walgren. Walgren had purposely ripped the hang tag off of the piece of evidence in open court. Did however state the piece of evidence was intact at the crime scene; a stipulation had to be created.



7.   The hanging bag with propofol bottle inside and Alberto Alvarez. Chernoff got Schaffer to admit that he had assumed that the bottle was inside the bag and then he said this: based your assumption that Alberto Alvarez was telling the truth.
 
Also stated that no fingerprints of Alvarez were found on the items he stated he had placed in the blue bag.

Over all review:

Murray stated how prosecutors get a guilty verdict on false evidence

Alvarez was motivated to tell a story – being paid by the tabloids (London Mail)

Murray will go into details at a later time

Talked about how the prosecution got away with a crime and that how both may become judges. Deception and how they would further their careers but no incarceration.

Murray stated he has no records, no public reprimands and no lawsuits.

And then this:

I will spend the rest of my life whatever it takes if I have to, to restore honor to myself, to my children.

My pursuit will be impeccable (?), unrelenting, a wrong has been committed and in my lifetime I hope I can have it made right.


During the video I saw this word: machination

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— n   
1.  an intrigue, plot, or scheme 
2.  the act of devising plots or schemes

In addition, when the website was up there was this as the heading on the page:

DrConradMurrayTalks.Com

The purpose for releasing this video to the world is to highlight the injustices, deception, tampering with evidence, and obstruction of justice that occurred in the trial that led to my unjust conviction and incarceration, and above all it is to demonstrate my innocence.


Love you Michael! 





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General Hoax Talk / Re: Hoax within a Hoax within a Hoax?
« on: November 21, 2010, 01:16:15 PM »
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BlackJack wrote:
I really feel that MJ should record a song called WAKE UP and THINK FOR YOURSELF since the message will be digested more eagerly if it is in song form. It's an anthem that the world could really use right now!!

LOL - Promise me that on the upcoming Breaking News album, if we are given two surprise songs and they are titled what you mentioned here you won't leave the forum.  :o

I agree that a definate wake up call is needed and people do need to start thinking for themselves instead following along like little lost puppy dogs. You can't find the answer when you aren't even listening!

Love you Michael!

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General Hoax Talk / Re: Hoax within a Hoax within a Hoax?
« on: November 19, 2010, 09:15:12 PM »
Quote from: "GINAFELICIA"
How can someone be a drug addict and sing and dance like Michael in TII? Or record beautiful songs like Hold My Hand in 2007...... I don't know how people can buy this addiction story...
No way.

BTW, have you noticed the song Hold My Hand on michaeljackson.com has 03:31 - and this is 7   :D  ?


Hey Gina, anyone who is a drug addict (prescription drugs, not hard core) can easily fool anyone into believing they are not one - just like an alcoholic. The body gets immune to them so more and more have to be taken and your body responds normally. Your mind actually takes over convincing you that you need more pills whether you have any symptoms or not - you crave it - it's when your body is empty that is when you don't seem to be yourself but once the pills have hit your system you function normally.  It's a very sad road for many, many people.

Love you Michael!

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General Hoax Talk / Re: Hoax within a Hoax within a Hoax?
« on: November 18, 2010, 11:08:38 PM »
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BlackJack wrote:
Who would of thought of MJ as a teacher.......I don't mind!!

Michael has taught us alot over the years, I know for myself he has taught me to listen, to think on my own and not believe what is put in front of me as the gospel, give with your heart and the most important one is to believe in yourself because when you believe in yourself anything is obtainable. So thank you Michael, wherever you may be, thank you. You are a wonderful teacher!!

Love you Michael!

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General Hoax Talk / Re: Hoax within a Hoax within a Hoax?
« on: November 15, 2010, 08:59:00 PM »
Quote from: "BlackJack"
Personally, I can't wait for the next 'hoax within a hoax'; we're so good at spotting them on this forum that I'm wondering how the non-believers do not 'see' what we do. I'd be interested to hear thoughts from anyone who can shed light on this phenomena, as all fans of MJ are exposed to the same information but it is obviously interpreted differently. As I've never been on the other forum, I'd like to know why they are so convinced of his demise.

That's pretty easy to answer - they don't listen (they only hear) and they do not see (they only look)! They have screamed at the believers that THEY KNOW MJ and MJ WOULD NEVER DO THIS TO HIS FAMILY OR FRIENDS!

Now in all fairness there have been some non believers who would actually listen and would ask questions but something changed along the way and now even those few have turned off all posibilities of listening.

I have always tried to look at this hoax from both sides and yes it is easy to see why they feel this way; as mentioned in earlier posts the media said so, so it must be true. The family is grieving so it must  be true. But if they would really take the time and actually see what is in front of them the light would be so bright they wouldn't be able to ignore the possibility any longer!

Overwhelming sadness/grief could also play a part in this. They were in so much pain (still are) and that was fueled with Murray, the media and the family saying murder and then TINI got into it the only thing they could do was hold onto the one thing that was left of Michael and that was to keep his legacy going. Any other thought wouldn't make sense to them, they had to keep MJ alive and by keeping his legacy alive meant he was alive - even though it was only in their hearts.

But I do have to commend the ones who have upheld his legacy and have written letters, signed petitions, been at each court hearing........because they are showing him the love that they know how to give.

I just wish they would at least listen....

Love you Michael!

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Michael Jackson News / Re: new album cover
« on: November 13, 2010, 01:48:56 PM »
I have not read all the posts on here, so if this has been mentioned before, sorry.

I do believe a side profile of Dr. Murray has been included - he's to the right and down from Tatum, next to the globe. And would that be Michael to his left? Both faces are covered up so you can't really tell, but that is what it looks like to me.

Love you Michael!

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