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« on: January 18, 2012, 10:12:55 AM »
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Oh, what mystery pervades a well!
Please someone translate this into English please bounce/ bounce/ bounce/ bow/ bow/ bow/
I think that in English this is somehow like "what a mystery a well is". "Well" is a kind of fountain. It's a poem, read above.
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« on: January 18, 2012, 09:53:55 AM »
Also, to me and I think to others, the reason this keeps getting brought up, isn't boredom (it comes up when things lul because it's always on our mind, but when busy our mind is occupied), but the reason is because we never get an answer. I think we know there probably is no answer, but it is a puzzle, just as the whole hoax, and as ts has come into the hoax proclaiming to KNOW, then it is part of the puzzle to find and question just who is claiming that.
Exactly. This is my problem too. We never get some serious answers, just more and more questions and "maybe's".
I'm not sitting on the fence with ts, wanting to be right, or just in case, that way I'm right either way. I just don't want anyone to tell me which path to take without telling me why to do it, or where I'll end up even. Granted I don't have to listen...BUT, as I keep saying, what ts says, does effect the entire hoax. I can post, oh say, Michael did all this so all will become JW"S. But, then it would go back to...NO, TS posts say...blah blah. Or we have proof otherwise because of somethings said that ts lead to. So, not following ts does still matter.
I think that probably, once again, these questions will not be answered, until there is some firm definitive evidence for us who question as ts did say to do.
Again, exactly my thoughts. I will explain more. Let's say some of us really don't believe Michael has planned all his life to hoax his death at the age of 50, so some of us don't believe he's spent 20 years planning to do this in 2009. I'm not saying this can be done in a rush, but I hardly believe he's spent 20 years thinking and planning this. If those who think he has planned this let's say most likely around "Invincible", people jump and say "you have to be kidding me, I mean Michael has spent 20+ years planning his hoax for you to come and say [...]" and etc, and etc. You know? Who says he spent 20 years planning to hoax his death? TS. Actually there is no real proof of that. Just the movie "Moonwalker" is not a proof. It doesn't show any sign about planning to hoax his death since late 80s. And from there, the ones that don't believe he spent 20 years planning to hoax his death are somehow belittled as if we "don't know shit". So somehow yes, all the discussion spins around already pre-established doctrines.
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« on: January 18, 2012, 09:53:10 AM »
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Oh, what mystery pervades a well!
It's Emily Dickinson... WHAT mystery pervades a well! The water lives so far, Like neighbor from another world Residing in a jar. The grass does not appear afraid; I often wonder he Can stand so close and look so bold At what is dread to me. Related somehow they may be,— The sedge stands next the sea, Where he is floorless, yet of fear No evidence gives he. But nature is a stranger yet; The ones that cite her most Have never passed her haunted house, Nor simplified her ghost. To pity those that know her not Is helped by the regret That those who know her, know her less The nearer her they get.
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« on: January 18, 2012, 09:46:19 AM »
The first thing that came into my mind was this
at min 1:36
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d_2sNnDJBc&feature=related[/youtube]
Do you remember if it was a print screen from here?
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« on: January 18, 2012, 03:35:48 AM »
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If you look, Genevieve is following her. Also, if this is her, then the other Prince twitter is real as they are following each other.
I think the kids have joined twitter.
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how come that she has 2995 followers only?
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« on: January 18, 2012, 02:27:58 AM »
I'm not saying all this to change anyone's opinions about anything. Rather to show, to whoever might involve, that not all of us are suspicious with no base, but genuinely and not using lame ridicule.
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« on: January 18, 2012, 02:11:37 AM »
MissG, I can't argue with you there. That's what, to me, points toward the ARG aspect of it all.
When actors on a stage play out a scene to evoke an emotion from the audience are they being manipulative to it's members? Yes, but most people don't take offense to that. They signed up for it by buying tickets or at least sitting down, because they want to have an entertaining, emotional experience. Let it be reminded that I think TIAI is the ARG. TS is not necessarily an individual. TS is a character in this ARG, and may be just that; a character, a role.
In regards to the cryptic messages indicating deceit. I agree there is deception at work here, but again I think how you define that deceit comes down to your perception/how you look at it. It's sort of like deceiving in the name of a game being played, as in poker, or hide-n-seek, or deception in a magic trick. As in the case of a magic trick, if you tell the truth you ruin the fun. At least for me, it's not about cryptic talking, because TS doesn't talk cryptically. There is a huge difference between talking cryptically but one can see he/she speaks the truth because it's written allover, like an aura (see BACK), and talking normally trying to prove a point giving explanation like "WHAT more do you need to see?", or "backed up with strong evidence" when in fact that tactic is manipulating because: 1.one feels idiot to not "get it", it's a mind game; 2. that strong evidence was always based on numerology, which is a pseudoscience. I compared this with BACK because BACK has an artistic way of approach, even with his writing, while TS is like a teacher. Also Tim Simkin said his calling is to write and be a teacher. I'm sorry, but that how he said it. And I can't help but see the similarities. If you look at the Dangerous code, for example. You have no idea what that is. I know that's how I'd do it- I go and read and dig until I find the connection. Maybe you would say "then why didn't you crack it?". I didn't have the time to dig in it because I never saw it. And when I came in the hoax around November 2009 it was already there. But who cracked BACK's code? It wasn't TS. And BACK's code really has a strange math, I mean it was hard to crack. But someone did. So it means you don't have to be Michael or someone close to him to be able to crack the code.TS doesn't seem so genius anymore. It's not accusing, just explaining. So, you see the dangerous code, and you see many autographs that have 1998 in them. You would go and see what does 1998 have that Michael uses it everywhere. If you go on numerology sites and search about 1998 the first thing you came upon is that 1998= 666+666+666. Of course you say "what the fuck?" and go and look at the Dangerous code and see those zeros that somehow look like 6's. I don't think it takes an Einstein brain to play with it and figure out that a down pointing arrow can mean something that goes down. I would try to divide 1998 by 666, if I get nowhere then I would try to subtract it, and when you see that by doing it you get another strange number from there it's easy to crack. So cracking the dangerous code is not something only Michael or someone in his camp could do. Here are some links about the number 1998 in numerology and what you get from it You are not allowed to view links.
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Register or LoginAnd then, to find out numerology between dates is very easy. Just look how many dates we found by ourselves: day 777, then 333 days from...to..; etc. To see there are 70 days between June 25th and September 3 it takes only 30 seconds. Then 9.09.09 (999) was never a number promoted by Michael. Never. So that number was thrown in to fit. Because he never had any 999 anywhere, like he has 777. So considering the strong evidence that TS validates himself with is a pseudoscience that anyone could crack, doesn't hold as strong evidence. But to me, again it brings me to the first point, that this forum and the people are open for anyone to infiltrate and pretend anything, as long as you are a smart guy and show them what they haven't seen yet (but at the same time something that anyone could do; just because no one digged into it doesn't mean no one could crack it). This is the reason why for some of us it is highly important to know who the messenger is. You have to come clean. In the best case he can be a believer who is into numerology and cracked the code. But you know, just say it. "I am one of you, guys, I just cracked the thing. I'm not from Michael's camp". That would be perfectly ok. But to take advantage that you cracked the code before anyone else (even if anyone could do it if they looked into it) and use this to say "i have genuine hoax information, I'm not a faker but a real informer"(when let's say you are not) is not coming clean and it goes to what I said, that this place is open to anyone to manipulate (even for own insane motives). And when I see connections between that person and a possible Religious Minister and God preacher, that is not something I can overlook and say "eh who cares, fuck it". At least I express what I think. Keeping your mouth shut and going with "well, considering the majority see him ok, then it must be only me who sees it wrong". It's not like that with me. I might be the only one who sees it this way, but regardless, I will say what I think.
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« on: January 18, 2012, 01:48:29 AM »
I don't think I could find it. I've never seen it since. I think it's noteworthy that it has never resurfaced in all this time.
Bec, try to describe it in details as much as you can, maybe I recall something from what I saw during years. I wasn't on the forum back then but I have a good photographic memory regarding photos. Try to describe it with full details as you remember it. What year was the photo from? Also anyone who saw it, please. It's important if it was a new photo or an old one altered.
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« on: January 18, 2012, 01:33:50 AM »
Dude!! I forgot about that!!
You're right, briefly the forum link redirected to a photobooth type pic of MJ that was... not flattering. People were aghast! and shocked! at the outrage of this stunt. How disrespectful to Michael this was and how this showed once and for all that John was a saboteur evil doer who was never interested in the hoax at all! Gasp! Cry!
You know I never saw that pic before or since. Pretty sure now, in hindsight, it was a never-before seen pic, and it was indeed MJ, no doubt about it. It was his face larger then life size. It nearly filled the screen, if I remember correctly? Again, he didn't look so Hollywood in this pic. It certainly wasn't a glamour shot, that's for sure, lol. Kinda how we all look first thing in the morning.
Shortly thereafter, the pic disappeared and the web address simply redirected to a page that said site for sale, contact AMY with offers @ADMIN@MJHD.com.
That photo was a never-before-seen? Not even now? Maybe you weren't much into Michael at that time? Could you find it on web now and show it to us who weren't there? I'm really curious now.
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« on: January 17, 2012, 03:40:07 PM »
I'm not talking about testing people, but about gathering people and slowly perpetrating a certain agenda.
And religion, above all, is at the top when it comes to trying to convert, by all methods, a certain target group, using what those people are looking for, what they are interested in, first, then shifting direction.
I know what I see around me. I will tell you a story. About what it means to be led by a religious preacher/sect.
I have two sisters, but the older one some years ago got an advertisement from a kind of religious sect (all dressed in white shirts, black trousers, all of the blonde, maybe you saw this kind of sects too) to tell her and her friend about some free English classes. She needed to learn some English, and wanted to. She knew that it was a sect but she said well, let's go and see what happens. She went with her friend, everything fine, a few days, English classes, grammar, everything normal. She said- maybe they really mean to teach English. And kept going with her friend. After a few days, the slowly started with statements like "now let's sing a song in English", it was a religious song. She thought "well that's it, it was just a matter of time". Then a few prayers, a few Bible verses (in English, they were teaching English, allegedly). You know? Of course she left.
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« on: January 17, 2012, 03:25:41 PM »
Regarding a TEST and/or Investigation being performed on us: I must admit I cannot exclude this possibility.
BUT, Taking into account that there is such a small number of forum users who are active and post regularly, I rather doubt there is a test or a character analysis going on , much less on so many levels. Because in order for such a complex TEST to have reliable results, for a correct classification of believers and /or non-believers, there should be at least 100 users posting daily on the forum, and not just on 2-3 topics, but maybe 10 topics each!
But as long as there are only 20-30 of us posting in a disparate manner... each on topics according to their curiosity/tastes, I think nobody would have any interest in losing time with an experiment/test with us! lol
The TEST results would be inconclusive, irrelevant! How can you have an idea about how thousands of believers are if you do a test based only on a "sample" of a 2-3 dozens of users?
And on the other had, in these circumstances ^^ I think it's useless to do any test to analyze people here and their believes and/or reactions, MAINLY because: anyone can see that there are basically 2 main groups here with members opposing more or less to the opinions expressed by the other group members. So what's the use of a TEST at this point?
Well, I bring again the Tim Simkin subject, because it fits with what you say. Tim Simkin says in one of his posts on the STUDY site that he feels his calling is through writing and Web publishing. Tim Simkin: " At the time, I had no thought of becoming a speaker; however, over the next few years, the LORD gently pushed me into public
speaking. But even now, after several years of speaking, I still believe that writing is my main calling; and I also
believe that this calling will be fulfilled through Web publishing, far more than through normal books"I saw on one of Simkin's sites that it has around 230 visitors since 2003. So very few. For sure, TIAI has way more visitors, like a few thousands, considering the views the pages have. So here I mean that Michael's fans are a target. Not for a psychological experiment/test, but for all kinds of people who want to gather audience to fulfill their agenda.
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« on: January 17, 2012, 01:33:09 PM »
@Do What do you mean? You didn't do/say anything wrong. Yes, what you say is also something I asked some time ago and didn't receive any reasonable answer. This is what I brought up sometimes around the trial in autumn. If Michael was supposed to come back in October 2009 and then cancelled it because we weren't ready, now it all went through a whole trial, Murray received his guilty verdict, was sentenced to full, while we learned way more about secret societies and NWO, and still nothing. You see, this is one of the main things that bother me. If you know, then why all this? Ok, we weren't ready in October 2009, but after 2+ years from October 2009 we are still not ready? Too many excuses over excuses, twistings and turnings to justify something that didn't happen. It's like I or you are guessing when it would be and go over statistics. But we don't know. Just guessing, considering some factors, but not knowing what Michael's plan is. But someone who knows the plan(s) should know beyond a shadow of a doubt if something will happen or not. And not roll the dice, guessing and making probabilities. And it was not only with Halloween 2009, but also January 18 (2010 MLK day) and January 25, and then he gave up setting dates. I might be overly sincere saying all this and maybe it's not good, but that's how it is and that's how I am. You can't say what I say is not true, you all witnessed it. It's this why I feel the need to get this out and make people see that we, who doubt someone's intentions don't do it baseless or out of the desire to bash. But seriously. And another reason, we are all in this to fight against TPTB and their manipulation and infiltration in everything, they, who are puppeteering people. So that's what some of us feel. And even if we could just let it go and leave it and say "fuck it, I don't care". It's not like that. We are here for Michael and fight against lies, and if some of us feel manipulation and bad intentions we can't just let it there, down, don't care. As long as we have concerns, we express them not to bash, but really out of concern. Of what this has turned into, how we see it now in hindsight. It's not only me who feels the same. Because the main important thing here is Michael's situation. We are either a family or not. If I felt that my sister or brother is being led by some shady person with apparent good message (apparently Michael's message here) I won't just sit and watch. At least, if anything, I would express my feelings. There are a lot of unanswered questions, and shady things. I don't say I know for sure who TS is, but some obvious connections to a Lord preacher and religion minister is not something to overlook. People don't even want to hear about it. But for some of us it's not like that. A lot of people from here left. We can't all go away and leave the forum. Well, we can, but that's the plan? I was looking for this, and i found it, remember what he said TS of the film Este es weeks before it will be released?
TIAI Revealed, Part 6: “This Is It” Movie Rating (R20 - R28)
Part 6 here has to do with the movie, “This Is It”, and also statements that I made about the movie (with username S.T.U.D.Y.) before it came out. I may repost those old S.T.U.D.Y. threads soon in this forum, with some updates, under the “Numbers Theory” section {http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/smf2.0/index.php/board,14.0.html}.
In addition to my 9-9-09 prediction, I made several other statements about “This Is It” weeks before it came out publicly. Here are a few examples, all stated on 9-18-09; this was more than a month before the release of “This Is It”, and the old MJkit forum still has this thread available to read (dated 9-20-09, because it was reposted on MJkit a couple days after I posted it on MJHD; {http://mjkit.forumotion.net/the-numbers-theory-for-all-theories-regarding-the-numbers-theory-f58/from-mjhd-excellent-the-9-9-09-prediction-did-come-true-this-is-it-settles-the-question-is-mj-alive-t1766.htm}
“Yes, this whole hoax and plan is for a bigger purpose than just exposing the media. It is time for everyone to STUDY peace {http://new.etonline.com/documents/mjackson_funeral_program_et_090409.pdf}: peace in our own lives, and peace in our world.”
“So if an MJ ‘resurrection’ is part of the plan and movie, what day would it be: … During the funeral wouldn’t even fit with the original Thriller, because the dead did not hop out of their caskets during a funeral—no, they came out of their graves. … ‘R’ = MJ Resurrection (9-9-09), MJ Return, MJ hoax Revealed!!! … Let’s see how many ‘R’ votes we can get between now and October 28 …”
Notice here that I connected the “Resurrection” with 9-9-09, which was already 9 days past at that time; so I was not using resurrection in the sense of returning to public view—I used the word “Return” for that. I used the word “resurrection” in the sense of a concept, related to the hoax and especially the Thriller II film segment (graveyard scene, see R20 & R21 below).
As already stated, the cinema version of the movie did “Reveal” the hoax to a degree (no MJ RIP; Smooth Criminal hoax death, hoax death actor in original “Gilda” had same birthday as MJ {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Macready}; and MJ “bam” statement at end, etc). And the home version will reveal it even more (see R20 & R22 below).
Then what about the MJ “Return” to public view, when will that be? Well, the sad thing is that potentially he could’ve returned at Halloween; but we were not ready. We did not understand the NWO conspiracy aspect of the hoax, or the seriousness of it; in fact, the old MJHD was forbidding discussion on this subject! And just a few days later, it went down and was out for about a week. We simply were not ready for MJ to return yet; if he had, in all the excitement, people would’ve had little or no interest in studying into the NWO aspects of the hoax.
Since people were not ready for the MJ return at Halloween: immediately after the TII movie was released, TIAI was set up. The purpose of TIAI was (and still is) to give MJ fans, and especially hoax believers, a better understanding and bigger picture of the hoax and the reasons for it; this in turn would help prepare the way for the MJ “Return”![/size]
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R20. 2 to 3 Hours of Additional Footage on “THIS IS IT” DVD/Blu-ray
{http://www.collider.com/2009/10/31/exclusive-director-kenny-ortega-says-expect-2-to-3-hours-of-additional-footage-on-this-is-it-dvdblu-ray/}
This was a video clip of an interview with Kenny Ortega, about the fact that the DVD and Blu-ray versions of “This Is It” would have 2 or 3 hours of additional footage. Please notice that this redirect was on November 22, which was a week before the official release date (and specific content) was made public. That did not happen until November 30 {http://www.michaeljackson.com/us/news/michael-jacksons-it-dvd-and-blu-ray-release-date-announced}.
Once the DVD release date was made public, the website gave the specifics of what would be included in the additional footage {http://www.thisisitmovieondvd.com/, then click “Special Features” at the top}.
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Maybe I'm off topic but I would like to point out the red parts in TS' post. As I've said before, I was never a follower of TS, doesn't mean that I assume that he is fake, not at all, but to me it wasn't necessary to follow him to learn more about the hoax. What strikes me as very strange is that TS is saying that WE were not ready for a return, otherwise Michael COULD HAVE returned/bammed at Halloween!!! In 2009!!!! What he is saying that we first had to learn more about NWO aspects of the Hoax. And now, TWO years later, knowing much more about NWO and many many other aspects, are we still not ready??? Ofcourse, there could be many other aspects and problems Michael faced during these past two years, so maybe HE is the one now who is not ready to return (if he will return at all), but that's not what TS implies in his post. He specifically is saying that it's US, WE are not ready.
Maybe I'm reading it all wrong, and I don't want to accuse TS in any way, but I feel this is striking remark of him that contradicts the sequel of the hoax.
I hope members over here are not mad at me for writing this, we agreed that, as long as we discuss things in a respectful way, we could ask anything. Like I've said, I know not too much about TS and maybe he proved himself right for many times now, but this is very odd to me.
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« on: January 17, 2012, 06:05:08 AM »
After reading 6 pages of comments it's become clear that there are members who are genuinely cautious and skeptical...but there are others who are openly cynical. There is a huge difference between the two.
Yes, that's how it is Love4Michael. I really hope I'm now thrown in the same bucket. I tried to make it clear from the very beginning and I hope people understand, noticing from everyone's way of talking, and notice the difference between the way I bring up the discussion, or the way others bring up the discussion. I want this thread to stay open for us, who genuinely need some answers, who are not here to stir shit and then be entertained by it. This is not a "TS/TIAI bash thread", it's a "TS/TIAI discussion thread". Maybe the ones who want to be sarcastic and throw shit just for their "entertainment" can open a separate thread for it. Some of us do want serious debate and real talk. I hope you understand.
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« on: January 17, 2012, 01:34:50 AM »
I hope the thread will stay on serious discussion and not turn again into an ironical/cynical bullying thread.
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« on: January 16, 2012, 03:44:53 PM »
There is no attack against anybody. people perceive it as attack because it doesn't fit to what image they have about some person.
So far all the discussions about this have been left in the air, forgotten, banned, people shut up. I just want to have a place where we are free to express our concerns, thoughts and opinions without being slammed. Some of us honestly don't want fights. Just answers and understanding. We are free and democratically we have the right to discuss this subject too, because no one bashed anyone. This is serious and real talk, not bashing.
There is an obvious connection between TS and STUDY/Tim Simkin. At least, if you state you don't find ANY connection, this doesn't mean anything?- the name used, the slogan used, the religious aspect and the numerology. These are evidence of connection that in my opinion are stronger than other subtle clues. You see it with your eyes. From here all the questions and discussions, and debate over the entire purpose of all this.
Like fordtocarr said, I put here my thoughts also- some of us can just stay away. Leave it all and stay away. But Michael fought all his life to bring people together, to not discriminate anyone, to not separate anyone. This context of "you don't believe, you don't belong" is discriminating. Is Michael's message really so much about religion? Is Michael's will to have so many people leaving? If anything, it should unite us, not separate us. It's obvious and everyone knows, that as long as you perpetrate a religious message there will be always a reason for separation. Because there are people with other convictions, other religions, others are atheists.
It's true that TS/TIAI didn't have only religious subjects, but many are based on religious aspects and Bible study and Lord preaching, studying the Ark of the Covenant, etc.
I really believe in my heart and you don't need to be his mother or brother to understand that a man like Michael, who tried to unite people as one allover the world, would not go with the principle of "you don't believe, you don't belong". TS said once something of this sort: "have you noticed how some are ready and willing to rather have MJ dead than accept they are wrong?" when it was a discussion about the numerology and how people questioned it. Have you really thought how much such statement hurts? How can one say something like that? It's making you to feel guilty for not accepting it.
This is one of my concerns, others brought up other concerns. For me it's about what Michael WANTS. Like fordtocarr said- is this what Michael wants?
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