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Also consider this:

1. The Jacksons did "re-post" the tweet. Remember they deleted posts on purpose so that the tweet would show up at the bottom of the page again.
2. It doesn't make sens to have all the numerology if this where only a cover up. Why refer to the bible, Illuminati and Elvis Presley if you want to make a believable cover up? Not wise.
3. Why all the slip-ups and happy faces??
4. Why the Gilda connection, surely that was Michaels idea.
5. Why would someone like TS spend so much time on something like this?? He doesn't get any money or fame out of it and he is not covering anything up. Quit the opposite! TS want's to expose the Illuminati and promote a message of LOVE.
6. If you can connect the dots you can clearly see that there is a Christian message behind all of this, a message of LOVE.
7. The list goes on and on and on...

I don't have time to list them all but... Use common sens people!  ;)

Too bad I've read those posts bilion times already, and I'm using common sense...
The Army of Love tweet disappeared.. Marlon tweeted a lot of non sense tweets, and if it was  a proof why didn't they delete tweets again to let it reappear...?
You love slips-up but you are totally ignoring Randy....
How can you be sure that TS is not hiding something...? I can't be....
Gilda connection into a SONY movie.....
Illuminati and NWO things are all over the web do you think TS has exposed them? I don't think so....
The message of love is something that mj has spread during all his life, so it's anything new...
I can go on for hours.... but I keep repeating myself over and over again......

You are not getting my point. If you put all the pieces together one of the theories makes MUCH MORE sens then the other.
I can't explain all the details but I can see the big picture in this. I think the problem is that you don't want to believe in the evidence that TS provides. You said you where a skeptic from the start and that's good! You are free to believe whatever you believe, I'm just saying that one of the theories makes much more sens then the other because one of them presents a big picture, the other doesn't.

Btw. No one trying to cover up a crime would tell us to look for the truth in the bible, tell us to follow to the Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6, a prophesy about Jesus Christ)... A person covering up a murderer wouldn't have that biblical knowledge and insight in my opinion because it is not in their nature. Again. Doesn't make any sens.

And as for the Randy quote (about the new album I guess?).. Doesn't change the big picture.

Not trying to "convert" anyone. Just expressing what I believe :)

With L.O.V.E.

[blackmailing]

Have I missed something? Yes I have read the thread on Eliza but I just don't get how people can so easily forget everything we have learned about MJ and his 'death' over the last year an a half..not all of this was what TS said, I didn't come here because of TS, I came because I knew something wasn't right and things didn't add up. So does this mean you were all just here because of what TS said?[/u] And now there is doubt, MJ was murdered? Please help me understand this. Thank you.

True. I came into the hoax side before even knowing about TS. And after I found out TS I said from the very beginning that it's something shady what I feel about him and his purpose, that my 6th sense which almost never fails me was telling me it's something bad, someone with bad intentions behind it. Since day 1.

And yes, you are right, I myself, like many others I am not here because of TS. The clues we have don't come from TS. Almost none of the important ones.

What happened lately here speaks fot itself, and shows how lies don't live long enough to become old. Sooner or later something has to spill the beans.The problem, i think, it is becuse the people who believe(d) TS blindly and trusted his intentions and took his "evidence" as EVIDENCE, they now fell down from a too high altitude.They hit the ground and they feel like the whole foundation is shaken. Shaken why? Because of TS? He never showed any proof and I keep saying that. People who now think that the whole situation is an illusion, if they do think like that, should do it based on other considerations and not on TS/TIAI.Weigh things and let aside TS. The ones who believe that TS was the base in it all no wonder they feel like they have no base now. The truth is that TS/TIAI never was the base.And if TS/TIAI has been doing a blackmailing mission then look what happened- it is revealed.

Again: what exactly was revealed and what are the lies TS told us?

These questions have been already answered....
But let me try again:

1-10. Review of Evidences that TIAI is Genuine

#1. MJ investigation complete, only two days after TIAI announced this update.
#2. 333 pages of FBI files, planned release on same day as TIAI Revealed.
#3. $9.99 while LaToya shopping, connecting with "99" days after 9-9-09.
#4. Six 911 articles on TMZ, the day after TIAI conspiracies on Google (911, etc).
#5. Murray on TMZ news four times, the same day as the TIAI Murray redirect.
#6. Vendetta on 11-5; Evan Chandler / Emerald City on 11-17 (70th anniversary).
#7. 2012 trailer, a week before "Jackson" and many other MJ parallels came out.
#8. TII Resurrection scene in a graveyard (not funeral & casket, etc).
#9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc).
#10. TII would show the MJ "Return" (this very word is now on the DVD).
#11. 1998 autograph codes; 77 days & 7 days all pointed to 9-9-09, and was fulfilled by several TII and MJ related events.

TMZ...SONY.....TMZ....SONY......
What he wrote in Update #6 and 9/9/10 is not correct.....and we have already explained why....
Then..?
The army of love is not new.... The Jacksons' tweet about it it's not on the main page anymore...
"if u don't think our emotion is real, all I can do is pray for you. see truths when they r revealed to you. ur eyes don't lie - media does" this tweet doesn't prove ANYTHING...
Memorial and Burial were organized by AEG, and Kenny Ortega, who spread lovely tweets, full of clues, but he suddenly disappeared after the release of TII in the cinemas.
He wrote that MJ planned something big and innovative and at the same time he wanted to outthink Sony.... that huge innovating project was TII...... a SONY movie..
TS gave us proofs that was an hoax and not a murder BUT all those proofs ARE weak and TMZ connected...
Etc...Etc...Etc...

So TMZ, SONY and the Jackson family are all in this together to cover up a crime?
All this with huge clues and numerology witch Michael was involved in planing??

Well that is just not realistic thinking... It simply just doesn't make sens.

Connect the dots.

Who said the Jackson family are in this with TMZ and SONY...? Re-read Randy's tweets,please... They speak volumes....
WHY they never gave us a little hint about TIAI and TS if this hoax is SO important?

Again. Use your common sense and also read.

4-32. Would a "Death Hoax" Murder Plot Convince the Family???

If there was a conspiracy to murder MJ (and don't get me wrong, that is a very real possibility): what would be the point in all the complexity, trying to make it look like MJ faked his death? Would they do all that, just to convince a few thousand hoax believers? {http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=6929}

More and more MJ fans are now thinking maybe MJ was murdered (including former hoax believers); so I guess it didn't work very well, if they were trying to convince all the fans that it was a death hoax.

But far more even than the fans, the murderers would need to shield themselves from detection by the family; because the family would be motivated to catch the murderers, as much or more than most fans. And in this case, several family members are already well known in the music industry (Jackson Five, Janet Jackson, etc). So as much or more than any other family, the murderers would want to avoid detection by the Jackson family—because they have the influence to do something about it.

Now get ready for the murder-theory destroying question: if they planned a murder to look like a hoax, what is the likelihood that they could //succeed in convincing the //family that MJ faked his death???????

The only way that a murder (made to look like a hoax) could work, is if the family was in on the murder plot—whether for money, or their own lives were threatened, or because they all hated him and wanted him dead, or something. I'm not trying to say that any of these things are true; but we are turning every stone, so to speak.

It is quite unlikely that even one family member would want MJ dead, much less the entire family. It is also unlikely that any family member could be bought with money to help in a murder plot; and again, certainly not the entire family. The threat of death is no doubt a stronger motivation than money; but true love is stronger than death—so if there's even one family member that truly loves MJ, then the whole family could not be in on a murder plot.

Yet another problem is that we have Jermaine and others saying that they know all about it, and they are going to spill the beans. So I guess the huge, long-term, and very complicated plot to murder MJ and make it look like a hoax—it didn't work! And they had to be planning it for many years: including the will dated 7-7-02, and the 1998 autographs (somehow they convinced or forced MJ to do this). All that ingenuity, and it failed!

Yet another problem is the many indications not only of the hoax, but also of the return and bam. Wouldn't it be better to make it look like a hoax with no return, so that the hoax believers would not be expecting to see MJ again (then they could believe the hoax for decades, and not wonder what happened to MJ)? In fact, wouldn't it be a whole lot easier to murder MJ with an entirely different plan—having nothing to do with a death hoax? They could make it look like an accident (car or airplane), or maybe a suicide; perhaps a "crazy" person could just shoot him (Lennon), etc.

Also consider this:

1. The Jacksons did "re-post" the tweet. Remember they deleted posts on purpose so that the tweet would show up at the bottom of the page again.
2. It doesn't make sens to have all the numerology if this where only a cover up. Why refer to the bible, Illuminati and Elvis Presley if you want to make a believable cover up? Not wise.
3. Why all the slip-ups and happy faces??
4. Why the Gilda connection, surely that was Michaels idea.
5. Why would someone like TS spend so much time on something like this?? He doesn't get any money or fame out of it and he is not covering anything up. Quit the opposite! TS want's to expose the Illuminati and promote a message of LOVE.
6. If you can connect the dots you can clearly see that there is a Christian message behind all of this, a message of LOVE.
7. The list goes on and on and on...

I don't have time to list them all but... Use common sens people!  ;)

[blackmailing]

Have I missed something? Yes I have read the thread on Eliza but I just don't get how people can so easily forget everything we have learned about MJ and his 'death' over the last year an a half..not all of this was what TS said, I didn't come here because of TS, I came because I knew something wasn't right and things didn't add up. So does this mean you were all just here because of what TS said?[/u] And now there is doubt, MJ was murdered? Please help me understand this. Thank you.

True. I came into the hoax side before even knowing about TS. And after I found out TS I said from the very beginning that it's something shady what I feel about him and his purpose, that my 6th sense which almost never fails me was telling me it's something bad, someone with bad intentions behind it. Since day 1.

And yes, you are right, I myself, like many others I am not here because of TS. The clues we have don't come from TS. Almost none of the important ones.

What happened lately here speaks fot itself, and shows how lies don't live long enough to become old. Sooner or later something has to spill the beans.The problem, i think, it is becuse the people who believe(d) TS blindly and trusted his intentions and took his "evidence" as EVIDENCE, they now fell down from a too high altitude.They hit the ground and they feel like the whole foundation is shaken. Shaken why? Because of TS? He never showed any proof and I keep saying that. People who now think that the whole situation is an illusion, if they do think like that, should do it based on other considerations and not on TS/TIAI.Weigh things and let aside TS. The ones who believe that TS was the base in it all no wonder they feel like they have no base now. The truth is that TS/TIAI never was the base.And if TS/TIAI has been doing a blackmailing mission then look what happened- it is revealed.

Again: what exactly was revealed and what are the lies TS told us?

These questions have been already answered....
But let me try again:

1-10. Review of Evidences that TIAI is Genuine

#1. MJ investigation complete, only two days after TIAI announced this update.
#2. 333 pages of FBI files, planned release on same day as TIAI Revealed.
#3. $9.99 while LaToya shopping, connecting with "99" days after 9-9-09.
#4. Six 911 articles on TMZ, the day after TIAI conspiracies on Google (911, etc).
#5. Murray on TMZ news four times, the same day as the TIAI Murray redirect.
#6. Vendetta on 11-5; Evan Chandler / Emerald City on 11-17 (70th anniversary).
#7. 2012 trailer, a week before "Jackson" and many other MJ parallels came out.
#8. TII Resurrection scene in a graveyard (not funeral & casket, etc).
#9. TII would Reveal the hoax (Smooth Criminal, no RIP, BAM statement, etc).
#10. TII would show the MJ "Return" (this very word is now on the DVD).
#11. 1998 autograph codes; 77 days & 7 days all pointed to 9-9-09, and was fulfilled by several TII and MJ related events.

TMZ...SONY.....TMZ....SONY......
What he wrote in Update #6 and 9/9/10 is not correct.....and we have already explained why....
Then..?
The army of love is not new.... The Jacksons' tweet about it it's not on the main page anymore...
"if u don't think our emotion is real, all I can do is pray for you. see truths when they r revealed to you. ur eyes don't lie - media does" this tweet doesn't prove ANYTHING...
Memorial and Burial were organized by AEG, and Kenny Ortega, who spread lovely tweets, full of clues, but he suddenly disappeared after the release of TII in the cinemas.
He wrote that MJ planned something big and innovative and at the same time he wanted to outthink Sony.... that huge innovating project was TII...... a SONY movie..
TS gave us proofs that was an hoax and not a murder BUT all those proofs ARE weak and TMZ connected...
Etc...Etc...Etc...

So TMZ, SONY and the Jackson family are all in this together to cover up a crime?
All this with huge clues and numerology witch Michael was involved in planing??

Well that is just not realistic thinking... It simply just doesn't make sens.

Connect the dots.

[Does this mean the world is ready to believe Eliza?]

Okay, since this is all only because of Mo's recent post about the DNA evidence, I will try again. I already replied in that thread that the fact that Eliza's DNA proof didn't go through a court progress wasn't new at all. The lawyer would have mispresented the case, Eliza is a fake, now TS is a fake and Sony, TS and TMZ are covering up a murder plot. All because Mo posted something that has been available to you all since the start. Mo, as you were a little pissed off that I never posted that information, here it is and notice you have had this info since day 1.

The Elvis Presley Conspiracy (Part IV): What does it all mean?

Many people have contacted me wondering about the final installment in The Probate Lawyer Blog's coverage of Eliza Presley and her efforts to prove she's telling the truth about The Elvis Presley Conspiracy.  Here are the prior installments to refresh your memory.  I promised I would share my personal thoughts about Eliza's DNA and other evidence.

Now I am able to report that I have read all of Eliza's reports from the Paleo-DNA Laboratory in Ontario, Canada, which analyzed the DNA.  In fact, it's only one of many labs that have examined the DNA at different times.  But it's the only lab to have issued reports about all the various samples.

This Paleo-DNA lab reports show:

Eliza and "Jesse" are "1.6 x 10 [to the fifth power] times more likely to be half-siblings as compared to an untested, unrelated person of the general population.  These statistics indicate that these two individuals are likely to be biologically related as half-siblings sharing one parent."  The report shows a match of 9 out of the 13 "loci" tested.
The likelihood of Jesse being Eliza's father is zero (apparently 11 out of 13 matching "loci" is needed for that).
Jesse and Brenda Smith [the recognized maternal first cousin of Elvis] are 418 times more likely to be related than someone from the general population, suggesting they are biologically related.  6 out of 13 "loci" match.
Jesse and Donna Presley [the recognized paternal first cousin of Elvis] are 45.7 times more likely to be related than the general public, again indicating they are likely to be biologically related.  5 out of 9 "loci" match.
Eliza and Donna Presley are 31.95 times more likely to be related, so once again, they are likely to be related.  5 out of 9 "loci" match.
The 2002 FOX TV Jesse sample was a 100% match with the 2008 Jesse sample (the pink envelope sent to Eliza).  All 13 out of 13 "loci" match.
The matching number of "loci" determines if there is a genetic match of kinship.  The closer the relationship between people tested means more "loci" will match.  Each person would match himself or herself 100%, and no one else (unless there was an identical twin).

With these reports, there are way too many matching "loci" for all of this to be a coincidence.

These reports show that Eliza and the person now referred to by many as "Jesse" are half-siblings, and Jesse in turn is biologically related to the known cousins on both sides of the family tree to Elvis Presley.  Because Elvis never had any full siblings (other than a twin, Jessie, who was stillborn), no one else could match cousins on both sides but Elvis himself.

Think about it -- who else is related that close to your cousins on both sides of your family?  Only you and your siblings.  Even your children and parents wouldn't match as close because they only share half of your DNA.

And I'm not the only one who read the reports and came to this conclusion.  Suzanne Stratford did another report for FOX 8 TV News about Eliza's DNA evidence, which you can watch here.  This report concludes that the samples do match.

Eliza also sent the results to another independent DNA company to verify the results.  The lab owner, Dr. Donald Yates, said publicly that the DNA supported Eliza's claim and that Jesse had to be Elvis.  And yes, he said, this means that Elvis is alive.  Here's a Memphis newspaper article about it.

Does this mean the world is ready to believe Eliza?

Not quite yet. Elvis' death is a "truth" that has been accepted for more than 30 years.  Eliza is literally trying to rewrite history.  She's going to need absolute, undeniable proof before she can garner widespread acceptance.  But, she's spent too many years of her life battling those who don't want the truth to come out to stop now.

While the evidence I've seen is strong and compelling, I believe the public will need to see something more direct and concrete to prove a conspiracy this strong.  Relying on blind samples provided by cousins, outside of the court process, is not enough to change the history books.

There are only two ways to do so.

One would be for Lisa Marie Presley to come forward and provide a little saliva for a DNA test. The attorney for Elvis Presley Enterprises said in the past that Lisa Marie won't, because once she does it for one person, then she'll have to do it for everyone claiming to be related to Elvis.

The problem with that excuse is that Eliza is the only one who has ever presented enough evidence to convince a judge to reopen a Presley Estate.  No one else has gotten that far.

Second, if Lisa Marie provides her DNA once, there would be a record of it and she wouldn't have to ever submit it again.  The one sample could be tested against anyone claiming to be related to Elvis.  So why not do it?

So far, she refused to cooperate when asked by the FOX TV News team in Cleveland, even though it would have quickly ended this entire debate.  In fact, Lisa Marie moved to London shortly after Eliza Presley's lawsuit was refiled last August.

Eliza tells me that she will try to compel Lisa Marie to provide her DNA through the ongoing court case, but if Lisa Marie remains in Europe, that's not going to happen.

Which means there is only one other option to conclusively expose the conspiracy to the world.  Vernon's grave would have to be exhumed and his body tested.  And while they're at it, Elvis' grave should be opened as well.

I know, it sounds very distasteful, and I've asked Eliza about doing that very thing.  She doesn't want to do it, unless she absolutely has to.  When I first asked her about that possibility, she said it was "unthinkable".

I for one believe there is no choice if Eliza wants to prove she's telling the truth ... unless Lisa Marie Presley changes her mind and donates a little saliva.

Exhuming bodies of famous people for DNA testing has been done before.  Here's an article I wrote about famed football player George "The Gipp" Gipper.  His body was exhumed for testing because of people claiming to be heirs.

In the book I co-wrote with Danielle Mayoras, Trial & Heirs:  Famous Fortune Fights!, we include the story of Sonny Bono.  A sample was taken from his body for paternity testing, based on a claim of someone who said he was Bono's secret love-child.

Will Eliza's journey come to this?  We'll have to see.  Eliza Presley's court case is back on track and scheduled to come to a head this summer.  Hopefully, Lisa Marie will reconsider her position and not force Eliza to do what she really doesn't want to do -- seek court permission to exhume Vernon's body.

Until that moment comes, we have to examine the evidence that's there.  Is the DNA evidence foolproof?  No.  While Dr. Yates and others are prepared to say, under oath, that it's definitive, there is the issue of proof in terms where the samples came from.

Eliza can establish the chain of custody showing how she obtained the samples.  But for people to accept it, they have to believe her tale about how she got the DNA.

In other words, what if she's making the whole thing up?  That's something I've thought about at length (I am a lawyer, after all).  If Eliza invented all of this, and the DNA isn't from Presley relatives but is really from her own cousins, and none of them are Elvis relations, then all of the following would have to be true:

Jesse would have to be "in on it," because his DNA matches Eliza's -- so they really are half-siblings.
That would mean either she or Jesse would have had to track the other down, despite their age difference, because Eliza was adopted as a baby and didn't know she had a brother.
They would have also had to track down cousins from both sides of Jesse's family, which again would have been tough because Eliza was adopted.
The would-be-scam would have been started back in at least 2001, because that's when the Dr. Hinton book about Elvis being alive was published.
The scammers would have had to fool Suzanne Stratford and her bosses at FOX 8 TV News (unless they're in on it, of course), because they never would have done the stories if they thought Eliza and Jesse were committing fraud.
They would had to have fooled Dr. Yates and his DNA company, as well as Shirley Mason (the graphologist), among many others -- not to mention the Missouri Attorney General.
Plus, they would have had to plan to submit the Jesse DNA to FOX 8 TV News back in 2002 and then wait to spring their master plan into action in 2008, because Eliza's 2008 sample from the pink Elvis envelope and the 2002 Jesse sample that FOX 8 TV News had tested match each other.  Why begin a scam in 2001 only to wait until 2008 to see it through?

Not to mention the fact that if this was all a master scheme to defraud the public, through a court proceeding, why would they have done it knowing that it would be so easy for their plan to fall apart?  Elvis Presley Enterprises simply has to march into court with the DNA of Lisa Marie, or either one of the two cousins tested for that matter, and they could prove in a snap that it's not true ... unless, of course, it IS true.

In other words, if this was a fraud, it would be so easy for the "Presley" camp to disprove it that no one would think they could get away with it   Yet no one has come forward in the court case to stop Eliza.

I'm sorry, but I just don't buy how they could have pulled all this off if it was a giant scam.  As hard as it was for me to believe, as an attorney, that Elvis may actually be alive, I find it much more believable that all this evidence is legitimate than Eliza and several others having engineered this entire scam years ago, knowing that it would involve testing of DNA.

But again, no one will believe it for certain unless Lisa Marie Presley cooperates or Vernon's body is exhumed.

That will silence all the doubters.  There would be no way to fake that DNA.

Stay tuned until this summer.  That's when the real fun begins.

http://www.probatelawyerblog.com/2010/0 ... -mean.html

What redirect or explanation should TS give you and for what? This info we all already had for months, if only people would READ before they freak out.

So, why were we attacking TS again?

Word!!  :D

[To TS:]

To TS:

If you made up all this, to cover your crimes, then don't you think it's the fucking time to come and have the balls to SPEAK? People called me crazy because I always felt you are involved in something BAD. I just think we DESERVE an explanation, so drop the stupid redirects and Bible quotes and come and SPEAK!
Don't you think it's the time yet? What do you want? To gather millions of people blindly believing you and then your mission will be fulfilled? (to cover the crimes)

PLEASE READ

5-10. Hoax, Accident, Murder, or Suicide?

Speaking of truth: some have questioned why the TIAI information is cold or mechanical, and not very flowery or intimate; and a similar question has been asked, why I don't respond to PM's, etc. When the time is right, the reasons for these things will be very clear. Yet to a certain extent, I will attempt to explain (or re-explain) these things now; and then more fully, at the right time.

I already spend a very large amount of time on the redirects and updates, etc. So I really don't have time left to communicate on other levels, as well (PM, e-mail, etc); sorry, but that's just the way that it is (at least for now).

If the information comes across as cold: please recognize that it is cold in the sense of being cold-hard evidence, but not coming from a cold or hard heart. In fact, although I have complimented numerous people by name (or username) in this forum and elsewhere: I have never once mentioned any forum member by name in a negative context. At times, I have responded to specific complaints, etc; but in those cases, I have not given any name (or link to the statement that I am responding to). I have done this because I'm not here to hurt anyone's feelings; I'm only here to defend truth.

Since this website is for MJDH INVESTIGATORS: I do my best to provide cold-hard tangible evidence for the sake of investigation—not for the sake of exhilaration! If investigation leads to truth which makes you happy, that's great! But consider it as a bonus, and not the ultimate purpose. The ultimate purpose for genuine investigation is to find out the truth—regardless of whether the truth you find makes you happy or sad, etc.

In fact, many non-believers have accused us of thinking that MJ is alive merely because we are in denial, and don't want to accept that he is dead. But if we are real investigators, then our feelings should not get in the way of our investigation. We should want to know if he is really dead; and if he's really alive, then we should be able to back it up with cold-hard facts, not mere wishful fantasies.

This is why the information that I provide is, for the most part, cold-hard evidence. In fact, beware of anyone who tries to convince you of anything whatsoever (whether related to MJ or not)—based primarily upon warm fuzzies, and not upon good solid evidence. Personally, I never have and never will try to convince you of anything, without some fairly strong evidence to back it up.

And this is why I have spent a lot of time on the hoax numerology. It may seem cold, dry, and mechanical; but it is tangible evidence, that you can sink your teeth into. It is positively not based upon feelings; and at least for those who understand statistics, it is a category of hard evidence stands head and shoulders above all of the other evidence. As stated in the title of Update #4, it truly is the "Greatest Proof of Hoax, Not Murder".

One idea expressed against the numerology was that the numbers are not what we should focus on; rather, we should focus on the real good clues like "pains" in the memorial. This person most likely has not spent years in music production. If this was a murder plot: it would be very easy to edit the "s" sound into the audio. We could even do it back in the analogue days, when everything was on tape; but now with computers and digital, it's a thousand times easier.

The "s" may be evidence that something is strange; but it isn't the least evidence against murder. And there are many other clues that have been found and discussed, and yet could be from a murder plot, not a hoax plot. This is why I focus mainly on the clues from MJ himself before the "death", and from the rest of the family; these are the sources for clues that are the most reliable (least likely to be involved with murder).

Much of the numerology and timing came from MJ before the "death"; and even after 6-25-09, the family was involved in the memorial and burial timing (as well as the Liberian Girl pictures, etc).

Next to the numerology, Gilda is the greatest proof of hoax, not murder—because it comes from MJ himself. Being a big fan of old movies: no doubt MJ knew that Mundson/Macready, who faked his death, shared the same birthday with MJ {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilda; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Macready}. Yet this is not nearly as strong as the numerology—because Gilda by coincidence is one chance in thousands (the quantity of Hollywood movies available for MJ to remake, especially old ones); but the numerology timing by chance is one chance in trillions or more.

Quite the opposite of the numerology being useless, it is actually the key which unlocks the rest of the hoax: when, why, how, who, etc. It shows the "when", with all the times that were planned; and it also shows that it was planned for many years—which rules out the idea that MJ got sick, and all of sudden decided to fake his death, or any other "last-minute" fake death theories (almost died, but was revived at UCLA, etc).

The 12:21 and the 9-9-09 show some of the major "why's" of the hoax: the end of the world is near (12-21-2012); turn the NWO upside down (666 to 999); and 777 + 999 = 1776 represents the greatest demonstration for freedom (July 4, 1776), as well as exposing the Illuminati (May 1, 1776), etc.

Although the "how" and "who" of the hoax are not as important as the "when" and especially "why"—yet the numerology does give a few clues even in these areas. It shows some of the "how"—such as no MJ double just happened to die at the exact year, day, and hour. It shows that MJ does have some help from government agents: 333 FBI pages released (the Dangerous formula); and on top of that, it was planned for release on the end of the world date: 12-21 (except it got delayed one day by bad weather). This in turn helps to explain some of the legality questions, etc.

The numerology even shows some of the "who": such as Kenny Ortega, TII director; he would be the one to have the poster come out on 9-9-09, and release the film 7 weeks later, and edit the duration to 111 minutes (and add the bam after the credits, etc). This also explains why Kenny was closely involved with the memorial and burial {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Ortega; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyNOOkPVilg; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qlnGWwU7_8; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=675UewpIJtU}. The family did not think that he was a murderer, even though some had already mentioned murder before the burial.

Last but not least: the numerology shows very powerfully that the MJ "death" was not an accident (homicide), or murder (intentional), or suicide. It couldn't be an accident, because few if any of the times would've happened by chance. Murder is a little more plausible, because it would provide a source for all the timing being planned. However, the huge problem here is that the family was involved in at least some of the timing (like the burial).

Worse yet, MJ is the source of much of the numbers and timing; so if MJ was involved in planning his own murder, it would qualify more as assisted suicide. And again, would the family help him carry out a suicide plan? Would they go along with the Liberian Girl pictures, as well as the hoax numerology timing?

For some strange reason, there are people who must want to believe that MJ is really dead—in spite of all the evidence. Well, even though suicide with the help of the family is totally bizarre: it fits the evidence far better than the accident or murder theory!

So for those who just can't resist the urge to think that MJ is really dead, here is some excellent advice from jacilovesmichael (redirect for 4-8). "And think of this: even if he did kill himself, there's no way it was an accident. I would never believe in that theory. But either way, he has exposed the lies in the media and the corruption in our world. And either way, everything was planned. Dead or alive, I've been awakened by what ever happened or didn't happen on June 25th."

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so they also get money. This  looks more "trustful" day by day. At this moment  nothing could make me think they are not related to SONY to cover a crime. That's why TS is desperatelly promoting anything by SONY. It's horrible... I can't believe what's happening

You got to be kidding me? If Sony is covering up a crime then the Jackson family is doing the same thing... You got to put all the pieces together, not just a few of them.

With L.O.V.E.

In regards to what mjj4ever777 wrote I just want to share with you something that TS wrote awhile ago when he was still operating under the signature STUDY.

"Yes, this whole hoax and plan is for a bigger purpose than just exposing the media. It is time for everyone to STUDY peace: peace in our own lives, and peace in our world. Search for clues about the truth in the Bible, just as you have done with this hoax investigation. Pay attention to the details, and follow "The Prince of Peace" (Isaiah 9:6)." - http://mjkit.forumotion.net/the-numbers-theory-for-all-theories-regarding-the-numbers-theory-f58/from-mjhd-excellent-the-9-9-09-prediction-did-come-true-this-is-it-settles-the-question-is-mj-alive-t1766.htm

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." - Isaiah 9:6

To all of you who aren't familiar with the Bible, this is actually a prophecy about Jesus Christ written about 740 years BC. Jesus Christ, who we all know is a huge inspiration to Michael.

Ts wrote: "follow The Prince of Peace".

Jesus himself said: "I am the way and the truth and the life..." - John 14:6

Just a thought! :) With L.O.V.E.

thank you for your post.i have to clarify do you have any thoughts to ad about who michael might be ect. ect. or are you just making a straight up statement? :roll:

I am simply underlining what STUDY/TS wrote:

"Search for clues about the truth in the Bible, just as you have done with this hoax investigation. Pay attention to the details, and follow "The Prince of Peace" (Isaiah 9:6)."

In this context "the Prince of Peace" is Jesus Christ.

Michel Jackson is a human being just like you and me.. Just slightly more famous ;) and of course a genius!
I was certainly not trying to say that Michel is Jesus or anything like that... Just a clarification :)

L.O.V.E.

In regards to what mjj4ever777 wrote I just want to share with you something that TS wrote awhile ago when he was still operating under the signature STUDY.

"Yes, this whole hoax and plan is for a bigger purpose than just exposing the media. It is time for everyone to STUDY peace: peace in our own lives, and peace in our world. Search for clues about the truth in the Bible, just as you have done with this hoax investigation. Pay attention to the details, and follow "The Prince of Peace" (Isaiah 9:6)." - http://mjkit.forumotion.net/the-numbers-theory-for-all-theories-regarding-the-numbers-theory-f58/from-mjhd-excellent-the-9-9-09-prediction-did-come-true-this-is-it-settles-the-question-is-mj-alive-t1766.htm

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called: Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." - Isaiah 9:6

To all of you who aren't familiar with the Bible, this is actually a prophecy about Jesus Christ written about 740 years BC. Jesus Christ, who we all know is a huge inspiration to Michael.

Ts wrote: "follow The Prince of Peace".

Jesus himself said: "I am the way and the truth and the life..." - John 14:6

Just a thought! :) With L.O.V.E.

Happy Birthday Michael!! :D Love you more  :!:  Keep up the good work!

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Update #7 is coming up! I'm excited!

Thanks TS! :D God bless you.

Both TS and Marlon uses the phrase "Study Peace"... I will show you  :)

In TIAI Revealed, Part 1: Who Is Behind TIAI? TS wrote and provided us with the following link:

I am also the one who revealed the 1998 MJ autograph codes, and predicted the 9-9-09 connections to "This Is It" a couple days before 9-9-09; and indeed that prediction came true http://mjkit.forumotion.net/the-numbers-theory-for-all-theories-regarding-the-numbers-theory-f58/from-mjhd-excellent-the-9-9-09-prediction-did-come-true-this-is-it-settles-the-question-is-mj-alive-t1766.htm.

If you go to the bottom of this post you will see that STUDY aka TS writes "It is time for everyone to STUDY peace" and right next to it he provides us with the following link to the Michael Jackson funeral program http://new.etonline.com/documents/mjackson_funeral_program_et_090409.pdf in which Marlon signs "Study Peace"... Coincidence?

Also, if you have a look at the ALLJACK5ONS Twitter page http://twitter.com/alljack5ons Marlon signs "Study Peace - Mar Mar" and don't forget that they just deleted old posts because someone wanted the "Army of L.O.V.E" post to show up again... Coincidence?

To me it's pretty clear, TS and Marlon is the same person  ;)

I joined the Army of LOVE years ago by making that change (Study peace indeed: Isaiah 9:6) but now it's official and I am really excited! Thanks TS and thank you Michael, what you are doing is simply amazing. It takes some real courage (and guidance (Psalm 119:105)) to do something like this. You have my full support!

Keep the faith and LOVE to you all!