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« on: April 06, 2011, 08:05:38 AM »
Distraction. This is exactly what I have been thinking about the TS thread as a whole, but I have been hesitant to express my opinion. Nevertheless, here it is. Please forgive me in advance, if necessary.
I actually read through all the TIAI info as well as a number of TS’ posts and redirects a couple of months ago as a lurker on this site. I ultimately chose not to get too wrapped up in TS’ input because it hurt my brain to think about it.
I’ll explain. In the past month or so, one of the MJDH members (I don’t remember who) basically posted that she was frustrated with TS’ posts because she felt like his input was just one big circle without end. I agree. TS seems to suggest infinite questions (problems) in need of answering and then provides clues (seeming tidbits towards solutions) that keep hoaxers’ attention continually focused on solving questions that, for the most part, can only be answered with best guesses (hence, the never-ending circle). For one example, if all of TS’ numerology puzzles were suddenly solved, what difference would it make? In short, what is the overall purpose of TS’ posts? Some say his input is meant to get members to think for themselves so as not to get distracted (from a bigger picture). However, the irony is that TS’ info potentially absorbs hoaxers’ attention/thinking (to the extent of craving his posts) to the point that the focus on comprehending his convoluted writing and riddles is in itself a distraction. This is not to suggest that TS is deliberately creating a distraction (maybe he is, maybe he isn’t). The point is that absorption in his posts—and thereby, absorption in his way of thinking—is contrary to thinking for one’s self.
It’s all about conscious attention. That’s my perspective, anyway.  Thank you for your post, starchild! I personally find it very possible that TS is deliberately creating a distraction. When I wrote above "Do you mean that someone wants to distract us so we cannot see the important thing?" I actually meant that that "someone" is TS. Maybe we really should start a new thread about this topic, as Souza suggested. As I see, this is important to many of us.
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« on: April 05, 2011, 08:32:01 AM »
maybe this is one of those times when we are looking for something that just isn't there because someone suggested that there was something. make any sense?
no sorry, :oops: can you please explain.
maybe this will help
[youtube:m0gh27eq]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo[/youtube:m0gh27eq]
off topic, sorry, and DON'T READ MY POST IF YOU WANT TO ENJOY THE VIDEO I'm just so proud of myself that I caunted the 15 passes right and also saw the gorilla. :lol: I couldn't/didn't pay attention to the gorilla all the time it was there, I just saw it for a moment and got surprised about someone wearing a gorilla costume. ------------------- Do you mean that someone wants to distract us so we cannot see the important thing?
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« on: April 05, 2011, 03:32:57 AM »
I cannot clearly understand Dr. Patrick Treacy's english, but (in the second video) when he talks about an area around Michael's nose having a hypersensitivity at 2:13 he says "but I don't want to get into too much detail because I certainly don't want to break Michael's confidence in any way" Or did I mishear something?
Why does he want Michael to confide in him in the future???
He could've meant his medical confidentiality about the patient as a doctor. However, in this case (hoax) confidence might have a double meaning
Yes, I also think he meant it as a patient-doctor agreement/rule, a doctor cannot talk about his patients' problems even after their death (except at court). BUT the way he formulated this sentence is a bit strange. Maybe he got used to saying "I don't want to break ......'s confidence", and this is why he said it like this now too... But Michael "died" - why didn't the doctor say something like "but I don't want to get into too much detail because I don't want to talk about Michael's personal problems, (even after his death)." Saying "I certainly don't want to break ....'s confidence" refers to someone who is alive IMO. But again, maybe he just got used to say it this way...
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« on: April 04, 2011, 10:20:28 AM »
I cannot clearly understand Dr. Patrick Treacy's english, but (in the second video) when he talks about an area around Michael's nose having a hypersensitivity at 2:13 he says "but I don't want to get into too much detail because I certainly don't want to break Michael's confidence in any way" Or did I mishear something? Why does he want Michael to confide in him in the future???
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« on: April 04, 2011, 08:19:36 AM »
Wow, this information and the picture really made my day! 
Didn't waste your money for nothing, - welcome to the forums.
Maybe it's me but I can't discover any 25.Can you point to where I should look? If you still haven't found it. And in case someone else doesn't either, here is a picture where I've circled the number "25" so everyone can spot it easily!
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I did my own little research on it, and to me it looks like it says "2520". Which doesn't really make any sense to me..
(adjusting the levels and continuing the sentence, now it says "2520 SEE U", or "2520 SEELU", not sure. There's something between the E and U.) Thank you angranity for making the picture any clearer. I see the 25 now and there seems to be written more next to it but I can't exactly see if these are numbers or letters.
Thank you angranity for showing where the 25 is - I haven't come back to this thread since I posted it... Can you post the photo you made with Photoshop? Because - just as for allforlove - it's unclear to me whether there are letters or numbers there after the 25. By the way, I don't really think it was done on purpose. As I said, maybe this is how a plough tractor works. I just found it interesting, that's all 
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« on: April 01, 2011, 05:55:08 AM »
It sounds very silly It made me remember Michael Jordan trying to Moonwalk in the Jam video :lol: He was so cute when he defended himself by telling "hey I have muscels here you know"
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« on: April 01, 2011, 05:31:42 AM »
Thank you AngelGraduatedbyMJ! I watched it on Google Maps and then started to "look around" in Neverland - as I've have never watched it before. It is crazy that I even care about what I saw there, because I know that our minds react to every little nonsense during this hoax, but eventually I decided that I post it. It's April Fool's Day, so why not to be a little silly It is nothing interesting - I just should figure out how a plough tractor works :lol: Why does it cut a 25 into the ground when it works in a corner?
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« on: March 28, 2011, 10:02:13 AM »
Yes, that has been the roughest part for me, as I've said a lot. With Katherine being religious it is very hard for me to think she would lie, EVEN if Michael is her son or to protect him. I think there must be more...something to make it NOT be a lie or she'd be in trouble with the elders. That keeps me thinking that IT'S A MOVIE. I know a lot of you don't think so, but FOR ME, to piece Katherine into it w/o lies and risk what she believes (yes I know what a mother would do for her child, I am a mom, but weigh God vs son)it has to involve on HER part, a movie so it's acting.
But, like you Lovely One, I still believe no matter what it is Katherine or anyone is saying and even if he never comes back, even if the family eventually says no hoax, I'll still believe. One of the main reasons I still think Michael is probably alive is because the family hasn't reached out to us telling to stop believing in a hoax because Michael really died.
They did not do it, although they know that thousands of fans believe that Michael is alive and are looking for the truth. I just cannot imagine that they could be so heartless that they wouldn't tell us to stop in case Michael is gone. This is a huge family, if he was gone, at least one of them would tell us to stop. But they don't do...
BUT if the family, some day, will tell us that this is not a hoax, Michael is really dead, I will say a final goodbye to Michael.
I want to stop this nightmare very soon, I want to decide somehow what to believe: he is alive or he is dead. I don't want to search the truth about it for ages. I hope Michael and/or his family will help us in this question soon.
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« on: March 27, 2011, 05:20:35 PM »
Another article about his book:You are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginJermaine to pen Michael Jackson memoir Thursday, March 17, 2011 "I have read so much about what people think they know about Michael but this is about what really happened” ~ Jermaine Jackson by Sonia Lowe Los Angeles—This quote is the lead in for a tell-all book Jermaine Jackson is currently penning about his famous brother titled, "You Are Not Alone: Michael, Through a Brother's Eyes.* Publishers Simon & Schuster recently announced that the former Jackson 5 brother's memoir will hit the shelves in fall 2011. Jackson says his book said the things Michael "never got the chance to say"and offers readers "the truth as we know it." He said his family did not want the forthcoming trial of Dr Conrad Murray over his brother's death to be "the final word on how Michael is remembered". "Everyone has said it all about Michael and us, they cannot say anything more - now it is our turn," he added. Jermaine Jackson, who was in family band The Jackson 5 with Michael, said he did not want his brother's life or death "to be an eternal mystery". The book will be released in the UK and the rest of the world by HarperCollins. It was reported, King of Pop Sisters Janet and La Toya Jackson also have books due out this year.
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« on: March 25, 2011, 07:37:22 PM »
Liz' final resting place is blocked out on the DC. If it's all over the news that she is buried at FL, why block it? I don't think she's at FL. Maybe this is how TMZ received the DC. I read that the news of Elizabeth Taylor's funeral came out only a few hours before it started, so maybe it was blocked out because Elizabeth's family didn't want the crowd to gather there. Maybe they weren't 100% sure when the DC would get out for the public, so they thought that if it was out too soon, people would get enough time to go there. I'm just guessing though, I don't know the procedure how a DC gets to the press.
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« on: March 24, 2011, 01:08:49 PM »
However long it takes, it has to reach a conclusion, and I'm in it for the long haul. As has already been mentioned, the phrase "I'll see you in July" is echoing in my head. We don't know what's going on behind the scenes, if this was always planned, the delay, remember how everything in this hoax has been delayed and delayed. I can see why some are getting restless and even taking a break/leaving, but it's not our hoax remember? Not our schedule he's supposed to be fitting into. Hopefully the "I'll see you in July" and the pattern of the many delays mean that we come to the end of this hoax soon. I don't want to end up like Elvis' fans who still believe that he is alive but they DON'T KNOW IT.
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« on: March 23, 2011, 10:46:59 AM »
We are so lucky we had Elizabeth among us.
I pray for her family and friends to be strong and find inner peace. She was very ill, I think it was probably better for her, and knowing it may helps her loved ones to accept her death. But it's always hard to lose someone, mostly a wonderful person.
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« on: March 23, 2011, 10:03:31 AM »
For those who are frustrated about TS or think He's playing games, please open a thread here: You are not allowed to view links.
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Thank you. Okay, and sorry for the last one, I answered as I read the posts one after the other.
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« on: March 23, 2011, 09:54:27 AM »
@DreamsandTruth.....very well said and respectfully written. Those are my thoughts exactly. I am very frustrated. We are a great group here, a big family, sharing our feelings with each other, and helping each other a lot - not just in connection with the hoax, which is beautiful.
And as there is always something good in bad things too: our frustration helps us a lot to use our brain much harder, and to be this nice to each other here - because we are in the same shoes, and it's easier together. Still hard, but much easier. Both mentally and spiritually.
Thank you for your kind post, anewfan! I was a little worried that I couldn't be respectful enough, mainly because I haven't read more posts from TS. But I was shocked by his attitude, and I just had to tell it.
What I'm worried about a little is that maybe TS is using the old political trick: by telling us what to focus on now, he/she distracts us from those things we should really deal with.
I am very frustrated too but I disagree with the bolded portion. TS has no power that you or me don't give to him. So pay attention if you want, or go research some other aspect of the hoax. There's something in this for everyone, it's multifaceted, the hoax has always been that way.
It's much like a non-linear, open world video game. You're plunked down into an environment at the beginning of a story. What path you chose to get to the ending is totally up to you. It plays a lot like Dead Rising, where the game length is a predetermined number of days. When the clock runs out, the game is over, and you will get an ending of some sort. If you complete all the objectives, you'll get the best possible ending, Ending A. If you miss certain parts you'll get Ending B, C, D, etc through Ending H. No matter what, the end, and the truth, will be revealed according to it's own timeline.
So the way I see it, TS is one aspect of the hoax. You can do the TS thing, you can forum hop, you can chat crawl, you can blog surf, you can do 100% independent research, or you can do any combination thereof... it doesn't matter what we, you and I and everyone, do. It's Michael's hoax and it doesn't need us to figure it out for it to be revealed. The end will come even if we do nothing but sit on the couch and wait for it.
It's the waiting that is making me frustrated btw, not TS.
I absolutely agree with you bec, I didnt mean that TS has power over us. What I wanted to say is that maybe this is his intention. I found people here much smarter than to fell for TS's distraction if this is really what he/she wants. I know that everyone here follows several kind of threads. "It's the waiting that is making me frustrated btw, not TS." - Yes I thought it's the waiting. This is what I think makes everyone frustrated... and the suspense/doubtfulness. Because there is at least a little in every of us, I think. We don't KNOW what is happening, we are just guessing... We don't see the whole picture.
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« on: March 23, 2011, 09:29:01 AM »
well i certainly hope not too many of us are in on it because it doesn't seem like there are many of us left. droppin' like flies around here.
and not only am i seeing faces every where it seems like every pic i see any more someone has vitaligo :lol: Well, a good family like ours also helps when someone has a mental problem, so don't you worry suspicious mind! :lol:
does this mean you will come visit me when they finally put me in that rubber room :|
I intend to help you before they would put you there. Prevention is always better.
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