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« on: July 17, 2010, 07:57:12 PM »
@ MJ2981958 have you ever thought ;Why is it that doctors call what they do practice? 
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« on: July 17, 2010, 07:09:14 PM »
I forgot to mention medical bracelets are specially given to every patient on steriods even if they are taking for few weeks only , its a medical negligence not to give it to your patient , hopefully we end up this discussion nicely !take care you all
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« on: July 17, 2010, 07:05:59 PM »
i just read first few posts and the last one , if it was a medical bracelet worn for a brief time then i can safely say its for steriods which are prescribed for a very short time and taper off gradually to avoid side effects , by the way the steriods would be for discoid lupus which was said to be in remission , now does it make sense 
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« on: July 11, 2010, 11:13:30 PM »
everytime we hear a different story .... thats sad
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« on: July 11, 2010, 11:05:50 PM »
coming back to the topic ...... @mj2981958 you mention something about marijuana , i remember reading that somewhere too but someone mention it doesnt belong to michael and the family took a notice and inform the investigators , may be thats why it wasnt found in the body , i can only guess
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« on: July 11, 2010, 10:20:49 PM »
absent pulse doesnt always mean a person is dead , there are many conditions with absent pulse like aortitis , atheroma , coarctation of arota , emboli ,takayasu disease,polyarteritis nodosa,giant cell disease , improper technique to feel the pulse , weak pulse sometimes cannot be felt at all , apparently the patient is still breathing with no palpable pulse,but yes if heart stop beating then there would be no pulse and eventually breathing stops person would die , why i said loss of consciousness first because once heart fails to pump blood , the respiratory centres detect as body running out of oxygen, patient would take deep breath and black outs ,followed by heart stop pumping blood , respiratory rate increases and finally apnea results with no breathing at all in Michael case if he was breathing with no pulse i doubt he had too weak pulses detectable at that moment by low blood pressure as result of lethal propofol doses its a huge responsibilty to declare someone dead there are critaria set for more than 7 signs for its diagnosis and thats why only physician certify death after confirmation here is a link for those interested to read You are not allowed to view links.
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Register or Loginrespiratory arrest if left untreated within a minute or so, a patient whose breathing has ceased will enter into cardiac arrest. Within a a few more minutes, they will begin to sustain irreversible brain damage. In order to prevent this, it is of the utmost importance that patients in respiratory arrest be diagnosed and treated as quickly as possible. patient with pulse and apnea die if left untreated , in agonal respiration its shallow breathing with no pulse both condition are deadly with the latter having high mortality .but still person is alive for few minutes about cardio pulmonary arrest here you can read in detail and from this authentic medical site ,which i always ask other members to do , read only authentic medical articles on internet, You are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login the second one about cardiopulmonary arrest during pregnancy , these terms do exist thats why i said cardiac arrest and respiratory arrest sometimes occur to gether or follows eachother a gerenal term cardio-pulmonary arrest is used by doctors take a look You are not allowed to view links.
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« on: July 11, 2010, 08:57:34 PM »
Sudden cardiac arrest symptoms are sudden and drastic:
1.Sudden collapse
2.No pulse
3.No breathing
4.Loss of consciousness
Sometimes, other signs and symptoms precede sudden cardiac arrest. These may include fatigue, fainting, blackouts, dizziness, chest pain, shortness of breath, palpitations or vomiting. But sudden cardiac arrest often occurs with no warning.
let me clear loss of consciousness (LOC) simply doesnt mean loss of consciousness, there are many reasons and many signs follow it , cardiac arrest patient USUALLY loses consciousness first than absent pulse and breathing other signs , respiratory arrest and cardiac arrest CAN occur together in clinical practice its hard to distinguish what happen first thats why a general term CARDIOPULMONARY arrest is used
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« on: July 11, 2010, 08:20:23 PM »
didnt they say he was in coma then suffers cardiac arrest prior to death ? what i know dr murray found him unconscious with faint femoral pulse and shallow breathing which means he was in coma , the drugs he was given that day depress the respiratory centre , and blood presssure drops too , hence the weak pulse (low bp is one of cause of weak pulse )
those who slip into coma have pulse and normal breathing drive , with cardiac arrest the first sign is loss of consciousness followed by no pulse no breathing
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« on: July 11, 2010, 07:29:08 PM »
The heart has an internal electrical system that controls the rhythm of the heartbeat. Problems can cause abnormal heart rhythms, called arrhythmias. There are many types. During an arrhythmia, the heart can beat too fast, too slow, or it can stop beating. Sudden cardiac arrest occurs when the heart develops an arrhythmia that causes it to stop beating. This is different than a heart attack, where the heart usually continues to beat but blood flow to the heart is blocked.
There are many possible causes of cardiac arrest. They include coronary heart disease, heart attack, electrocution, drowning, or choking. There may not be a known cause to the cardiac arrest.
Without medical attention, the person will die within a few minutes. People are less likely to die if they have early cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) and defibrillation. Defibrillation is delivering an electric shock to restore the heart rhythm to normal. he need an urgent " effective " CPR and call for help unlike 47 delay , compression on beds with one hand beneath and other on chest by the person doing it for the very first time ..... sigh
Coma is totally a different identity , there are 4 grades of coma , but not going in to detail let me tell you its simply means lack of consciousness
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« on: July 11, 2010, 07:19:06 PM »
Heart attack is different from Cardiac arrest , as propofol leads to cardiac arrest and respiratory depression , so i assume you mean cardiac arrest ...with heart attack, people do have pulse and spontaneous respiratory efforts but cardiac arrest is defined as no pulse no breathing and lose of consciousness , its different from coma too
The media broke news , Micheal was in coma later on he suffers cardiac arrest and then ....
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« on: July 11, 2010, 06:01:18 PM »
@mj2981958 im glad finally you got my point ,communication gap is to blame not your english its perfect , dont worry Somewhere I think we should appreciate the original author for the time and effort she put in here believe me reading all 50 plus pages and then interpretation of medical terminology is not an easy task for a lay man , Its really bad some body misguided her and thats how i felt the need to clear misunderstanding so that everyone should know the facts , just like fews days back i was truely disguisted by an author writing a book exclusively on the drugs found in Micheal body during autopsy ,Im sure he must have made alot of money what he sold half truth ? will he ever confess of not doing a thorough research before making something available to public , so sad ...please dont waste your precious time and money reading rubbish By keeping an open mind to any possibilty , there is a chance of with -holding certain information for the court trails thats why few things still missing in this report , it just my personal opinion ,at the end of the day its up to everyone to decide what they believe
Im hoping someone from the media reading my post, will write about Dr Klein and Murray lies instead of dissecting his personal life , I clearly remember dr Klein said about an open I.v line at TMZ live during his first interview, post 25th june , and there wasnt anything mention in this report , if someone would do it, that day i will feel my efforts didnt go in vain ! they can take the credit for it i dont mind ,but please stop writing and misleading others, Take care members , Godbless you all
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« on: July 10, 2010, 07:10:51 PM »
@ PJ4MJ Thankyou for your appreciation ,you are very kind ,by the way you dont need to google and search for any medical terminology forever ,you can have my email address i try to help you as much as i could , Godbless you
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« on: July 10, 2010, 07:06:00 PM »
@ loma i mention above there is nothing as arthritis of FINGER NAILS ,i think someone misguided the person who made the original post
@ mj2981958 why did you underline those 3 paragraphs ? did someone ask you those question just wondering but in anycase you might have read all the links i mention above , if the puncture wounds were by i.v lines i dont think dorsum of foot specially a site between big toe and second digit make sense , like i said earlier , its a very poor decision on anyones part to have cannula at or near joint , plus the importance of venous cut down or CVP lines comes when patient is collapsed by dehydration or whatever reason plus with no superficial veins , uum venous cut down comes first Cvp only done by physicians ,in in- hospital settings and in complicated cases
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« on: July 10, 2010, 07:01:48 PM »
@mj2951958
To answer your last question i need to know exactly how many days mj was on propofol , and then count the puncture wounds as mention in the report, while examining the wounds, description must be accurate in every detail and situation should be noted with reference to fixed anatomical points , various terms are used to describe severity of an injury , whether a wound is due to accident , suicide or murder is determined by a synthesis of different findings including its nature , severity , site , position of body clothing and other collateral police finding
One thing worth mentioning ,post mortem finding should never be discussed and reporters should be refered to the police press liasison officer . i remember reading a case back in 1957 when the victim of Evans and Allens who were the last 2 criminals in Uk to hang , had been battered and stabbed, at no time during the investigation was the stabbing mention until alluded to , incriminatingly by Evans in his statement to police .
What i know these autopsy reports become public records if some crime is involve OR once on going investigation is done , now you can think either ways ! to me it seems when the report was released the invesigation was completed , but then trials should have begun much earlier but why they keep on saying its an on going investigation i dont get it
Although its unethical to release autopsy pictures to public besides above all not everyone bear to view them but i have been told both autopsy report and pictures of criminal nature is a public record in United states and probably that was the reason Ms Katherine was much concerned about it
but if some one wants to be 100% sure of that he /she can email and get L.A coroner s opinion on releasing the pictures
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« on: July 10, 2010, 06:33:04 PM »
@ pj4j But i want to add something , i mention height measurements in cm mostly but not always , few forensic pathologist prefer cm others inches ,but i admit there are chances of making errors and its something not unusual , but in this high profile case the autopsy lasted 7 hours versus normal which take 3 hours maximum , so i believe they did a thorough examination here is a link of regular autopsy sheet you can view it You are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login@ gema NO its not done by students its by forensic pathologist in criminal cases and pathologist resident and seniour doctors in in-hospital set up , students can only observe or assist the physicians
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