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Other Odd Things / Re: Michael did join the Nation of Islam in 2003

« on: June 11, 2010, 04:10:13 AM »

Here you can find the differences between the Islam and the Noi :

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What does the original Islam thinking about them ? It's very confusion that they used Islam in there name. I would not like it if i was a member from the religion Islam becuase they had very bad image.

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Other Odd Things / Re: Michael did join the Nation of Islam in 2003

« on: June 11, 2010, 03:59:52 AM »

Alberto Alvarez, the bodyguard was also member of the NOi...the last i sas him was in December 2009 with Grace and the kids at karate kids...
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Both times mentioned Alberto Alvarez in Pomona Californien....it must be the same one and the right one.

In the 911 call Alvarez askes Murray something and he dosn't answer...all the stories about that situation in the Carolwood house makes me thought that Murray hadn't good conections to the others....not very close to Alvarez and so on.
I can't find something about Murray and the NOI...

Then what about Murray ?

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TMZ Articles / Re: MJ Auction -- Distasteful or Good Business?

« on: June 11, 2010, 03:33:24 AM »

That i found from early 2009 :
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Other Odd Things / Re: Michael did join the Nation of Islam in 2003

« on: June 11, 2010, 02:55:43 AM »

I try to be a part of this discussion, but it gets to deep that i could it do in english, so i only give some toughts....sorry..

I thing that the NOI isn't a religion ? I had found the differences between the Islam and the NOi....i will edit...

I have a link that shows that the trial began in summer 2003, the surch warrant at neverland was in November 2003.
Here are the details...again Michael Joseph Jackson....by the way...
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What was when the NOI had Michael in there hands with anything and he was afraid of them ? The hoax seems to be a plan from him and friends outside the NOI. Directly after his death the family said that there ppl around him that separate him from the family and friends.
Members of the NOi are all around him...the hoax must be planned...the filming of TII rehersal and so much more can't be done in one week ! The phonecall to Farrakhan was only for alibi ?

Murray and Alberto Alvarez are not to find after the death for 1 or 2 days ? Does anybody know if they had connections to the NOI ?
Maybe they helped him to get away from the NOI ?

If he join the NOI in 12/2003...can be not his own will but he hasn't a other chance....can you understand what i will say ?
He never made public that he was a member.

Dieter Wiesner, a german long time manager from Michael had tapes with phonecalls from Michael.....he fear for his life, he said that Dieter can't trust anybody, not Michaels Nanny, not the bodyguards !!!! Both are NOI members !
I have the link, but it is in german.
Dieter Wiesner had to left when the NOI take over all management in 2003, but the phonecalls are after that.

Here a article where they write that the NOI separate Michael from his family....it can't be his will but he can't do something against it ? Scary, because this we can read ever and ever. If they are not friends. they are surching for Michael and that can be the reason that members of them are around Joe...Majestic Magnificient and others at the Murray Trial.
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Maybe the NOI new that there are not one Michael Jackson ( one though) and if he dosn't join they tell the whole world.....there must be something !

Jermaine was a muslim, not a member of the NOI.

Maybe Alvarez and Murray where the only ones in the house that helped him to get away ?

I will noone hurt, thats only some thoughts in my head...can be that all was absolut difference, but i had the feeling that Michael wasn't happy with the NOI.

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TMZ Articles / Re: Forever Michael Memorial -- Not MJ Approved

« on: June 10, 2010, 11:18:17 AM »

Yesterday in thetopline on the voiceplate side stands " Forever young !" Not Forever Michael where today stand : in Memory of.... :cry:

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Michael Jackson News / Re: You really need to see this. . Louis Farrakhan about MJ

« on: June 09, 2010, 12:08:36 PM »

He is an exellent speaker who knows what to say and how to look.
What he say in public and what he think must not be the same....I can be wrong but i have no good feeling with him.
He needs new members and he is an old man of 77 years and he know how to act to become what he wants.
His permanent smile when he speaks about Michael in interviews in confusion....i think he isn't honest.
I had googled him today and there are articles about him that are not very nice.
In the UK he is a "persona non grata" and can't travel to the UK since 1986....there must be a reason that he can't change this status.
Much hoax activities come from the UK.....can be concidence...
He made such statements to catch the Michael Jackson fans....if i had not such a bad feeling when i saw him i find the speeches not bad....but every politicion makes speeches and acts absolut different !

who knows..what we must judge from his videos is the way he pictured Michael. At least he didn't talk trash about him like some ppl did

Sadly it isn't so easy...the one who speaks good is good and the one who speaks bad is bad...so sad, but it isn't so. It's business and everyone makes what is the best for his image, his money or what else.
Don't bite the hand that feeds you..this is a slogan that shows how to act.

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Michael Jackson News / Re: You really need to see this. . Louis Farrakhan about MJ

« on: June 09, 2010, 11:55:46 AM »

Yes, there are videos on youtube before the Death, but i am sure he used him always and he never ever could speak bad about him....he needs the fans !
I never heard him say that he don't like the white ppl or other bad things....he does everything for a good image outside, but we know it from the politic...it's all empty words !
Please read the links i had posted, they show the difference between the original Islam and the NOI.
In one video...i saw it last year he sad that he knew Michael since he go to Neverland !
Michael said in the Bashit Interviews some thinke that Farrakhan mentioned in interviews,,, from families and the children....has he to speak for Farrakhan . Daes he use him ?
Farrakhan has the gift to speak and the ppl are all with him.

Michael has a Spirtituell adviser June Gatlin....she is with the NOI and Farrakhan too. There is a video on youtube where she is singing at a event " Believe " Farrakhan was there !

There are so many conections and i rearly don't know if they ae helping or not.....i have a feeling that not... :cry:

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Michael Jackson News / Re: You really need to see this. . Louis Farrakhan about MJ

« on: June 09, 2010, 11:35:36 AM »

Here more, please i am so sorry it's german but it is intersting and please use a translation to read it !
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Michael Jackson News / Re: You really need to see this. . Louis Farrakhan about MJ

« on: June 09, 2010, 11:28:48 AM »

Here the wikipedia info about the nation of gods and earth...the moon and the number 7

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Michael Jackson News / Re: You really need to see this. . Louis Farrakhan about MJ

« on: June 09, 2010, 11:18:40 AM »

There is a Group from the NOI called the Nation of Gods and Earth...i only found a german article...there was mentioned the Number 7 ! as a importend number and much other we find with Michael.
And here something about the NOI...at the end Michael Jackson was mentioned ....that was new...i read it since nearly 10 months.

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OK, it's Wikipedia......but not all must be false...

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Michael Jackson News / Re: You really need to see this. . Louis Farrakhan about MJ

« on: June 09, 2010, 11:00:56 AM »

He is an exellent speaker who knows what to say and how to look.
What he say in public and what he think must not be the same....I can be wrong but i have no good feeling with him.
He needs new members and he is an old man of 77 years and he know how to act to become what he wants.
His permanent smile when he speaks about Michael in interviews in confusion....i think he isn't honest.
I had googled him today and there are articles about him that are not very nice.
In the UK he is a "persona non grata" and can't travel to the UK since 1986....there must be a reason that he can't change this status.
Much hoax activities come from the UK.....can be concidence...
He made such statements to catch the Michael Jackson fans....if i had not such a bad feeling when i saw him i find the speeches not bad....but every politicion makes speeches and acts absolut different !

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Other Odd Things / Re: Did you know the"Drill" is from the Nation of Islam army

« on: June 09, 2010, 05:30:03 AM »

I try to find a few simple words...because english isn't my native language and it's not easy to write about such an importend theme...
It all confusing that i found on my investigations about the NOI....i found the leader Farrakhan is a racist, he don't like the white, the jewish ppl, don't want mixed marriages and so on...
But in his speeches and there Homepage they are fighting for absolut legal rights for the black ppl.
I live in germany and i am sure only a few ppl here knows that in the US the black ppl has still not the same chances like the white or every other . I was rearly shocked when i read this. Ever the same old story...
I rearly don't know if the NOI is good or bad and i don't know if Michael liked them or not !
Farrakhan knew him since many years...maybe he helped him to become so big as he was and Michael has to be loyal and a shining example of a black men who reached so much success.
Otherwise.....Michael does so much that the NOI not want....he get white....if he had vitiligo he has the chance to use makeup in dark colour or self tannings to be black...his nose wasn't a nose from a african american. He marries to times a white women...Debbie is jewish ! He has white kids. He makes rumors about drug consum and ti be gay...both are not so akzepted from the NOI.
It seems like he did all he could that they let him go......but they where still there.
They where very present at the Memorial....Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and nearly every speaker there. If Paris didn't made her speach at the end and the most only remember this....much more ppl would have wondered why so much political speeches at a memorial has taken place, but so all remember Paris.
They are around the family...Majestic Magnificant is always at the Murray dates with Joe Jackson and he seems to have contact to " Justice for Michael "
The NOI may believe Michael is dead...so i feel it....
I like PPl  , with every skin colour...we are all one !
I noticed that nearly every black person who was around Michael and the Jackson has contact to the NOI and Farrakhan has contact to Obama.
If i was living in US and where black i think i was at the NOI too if i had so bad chances only about my skin colour.
But i don't know if Michael fear the NOI or likes them.
Farrakhan has speak against the Swin Flu vaccination and Michael wanted to do the same in London. That was another conspiracy and i am glad that i hadn't that vacination take.
Because the media could write much i don't know if Farrakhan is a racist....i only hear from himself that we are all one and we must unite.
If he fights against the Illuminati/NWO and so on....it was a less easy think for them to public articles to show him i a very bad light that he dosn't get so much members.
What i don't like is the military touch in the Drill....Soldiers of Love.....Army of Love....Love and Military in my eyes don't belong together.
Only a few thoughs... :|

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TMZ Articles / Re: Forever Michael Memorial -- Not MJ Approved

« on: June 08, 2010, 11:18:08 AM »

I think they mean June 2010 with that kind of writing June 10. I had seen in a article the writing June09 and June10 and it means the year....i think

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TMZ Articles / Re: Forever Michael Memorial -- Not MJ Approved

« on: June 08, 2010, 11:03:19 AM »

Here is the side rom voiceplate who was organized the event...
Look at the top of the side .....Forever young....not Forever Michael...
i hope i am wrong but can it be t the black area where you can klick Skip intro...i see two eyes....i must be wrong...i need new glases...
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The 911 call came from the Beverly Hills Hotel i think at the sunset boulevard.
This is the Beverly Hilton at the Wilshire boulevard.

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MJ Tributes / Forever Michael

« on: June 08, 2010, 03:20:09 AM »

This event was supposed to be at the 26. June :
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Please have a look at the homepage from the voiceplate.com who made the event :
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Look in the highest line at your monitor ! Not Forever Michael ! There it is : Forever young !!