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« on: June 29, 2010, 08:46:06 PM »
Ian did not say the African American is gay, :roll: he say that African
Americans do not wish to come out as readily for fear of being shunned.
Religion was listed as a factor.
Why do you watch 2 seconds of a video and post a commentary
about it?
It is better to watch and listen and then post your commentary.
Like at the end, they ask him about Kurt Cobain, and he say that
the forensic evidence proves that Kurt did not commit suicide.
That comment intrigues me about that mystery.
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« on: June 28, 2010, 02:32:46 PM »
Another person asked if we should try another approach.
Do you think it should be wise to start asking the Jacksons, the
Estate, the Media some hard questions and no longer accept
ambiguous answers from them?
Everything so veiled, and no longer needs to be listed.
One problem I am finding is the use of the word "passed".
The first definition in the dictionary defines: "To move on or ahead;
proceed". Tito in "Remembering Michael" also uses "passed".
WHY did the coroner or a doctor NOT come out on the steps at
UCLA and tell the public statement of "death" and autopsy reports-
when it is protocol for many less famous people.
WHY did the family not have a viewing (IF Michael died), for the fans?
Yes, that is their own private business, but that business had led others
to believe that the murder left him unrecognizable, which has led to
more fear and questions.
I have written for some answers and receive same ambiguous answers
and subtleties in search of Rockwell. Well, the next step is talking in
person to found relatives, but is that dangerous or unwise?
While speaking of Rockwell, I also must ask and want answers to Wylie
Draper. WHY the LATIMES have no obituary on him? Can someone
find an obituary in the GA newspaper? I cannot.
Common sense would tell me to delete while rational; maybe the
investigation should only draw on what the media publishes and our
response to them?
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« on: June 27, 2010, 09:30:12 PM »
A spokesman for Joe refused to comment on claims he is offering fans the chance to pose with his three grandchildren for cash.
Why would the spokesman not just say "this is bs!..of course that is
absurd"
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« on: June 27, 2010, 09:21:33 PM »
I have heard "theories" that Michael Jackson died on the 23rd or
24th of June. Of course there are those who believe it was much
earlier than then.
We do not know the identification of the person on the stretcher going
into the UCLA.
I have heard June 25th was STAGED. This from friends in California.
But they also cannot back this up, because when everyone hears
Michael is at UCLA, the media took charge and the script was played
out.
I have heard when Farrah Fawcett died, they use this day. If the
outcome was not a lot attention payed to Michael Jackson from the
world, they could say it was over-shadowed, instead the entire world
did grieve, and it became what it is and according to script.
I cannot say which it was, but I BELIEVE it was on the 23rd or 24th,
personally. On the 23rd of June, I and friends was to start a vacation,
and "I" felt something bad was to happen and worried to headache
and nagging feeling.
What I felt was we may have a wreck or "something wasn't right".
We left on early June 25th, and arrived at our destination to the news
that Michael had died. I then knew my premonition was about him.
That along with all the other misinformation and stumbling has led me
to believe what I believe.
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« on: June 26, 2010, 11:55:17 PM »
If Michael died, I believe it to be on the 23 or 24th of June.
The rest is a script put into place with enough time to get the
story straight with the right officials and photographers.
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« on: June 26, 2010, 11:45:32 PM »
I viewed a show on celebrity deaths and just caught the end of
it. They showed excerpts of Anna Nicole's and
it show the coroner coming out and addressing the public
with findings of her death/autopsy results. He is giving the
public address.
It also show her funeral and the people had REAL tears and
look miserable and in grief.
Then, they show Michael Jackson excerpt and the only tears
they show were Paris at her speech at the memorial.
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« on: June 26, 2010, 06:19:44 PM »
by reading_on » Sat Jun 26, 2010 12:16 pm
I looked before I posted. I hope I am not doubling up.
I so enjoyed this documentary. Ian was so good to Michael. He blatantly told the world that Michael was not a child molester. Proudly and firmly he told the world that the facts said there was no truth to it. He allowed people to speak on Michael's behalf to reiterate that he was no child molester. Calmly and firmly they told the world that the truth about those accusations will come to light.
He didn't talk about relationships at all, and I know some of you thought that he would and that his book was bad because he quoted what others had told him. This documentary made me feel like Michael has somebody in his corner. Somebody that really investigated things.
He interviewed people that really cared for Michael, you can tell. However Frank Dileo said something that struck me odd. Something like this. The nurse shook her head and said he's been dead for 2 hours. He's brain dead.
Thank you for posting this.
I have written before and tried to let people KNOW that Ian was NOT
out to get Mike. At least 5 posts I say this.
Some yahoos even dispel Ian and NEVER read his book or anything else
he write, such as on Kurt Cobain. a LOT of what he says about Kurt
is/was true, and some came out years later.
He never lied, he said the book on Michael Jackson was written on
SOURCES primary.
Good or bad, there is always some truth in the middle. and by way,
I AGREE with Ian on his descriptive word "spin-masters".
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« on: June 23, 2010, 11:23:55 PM »
From July 2, 2009 from article on Santa Ynez Valley:
'Meanwhile, all sorts of catering, gardening and unmarked trucks have been coming and going through the Neverland gates."
They were either really have a memorial at Neverland, or the
gardeners and truck drivers got fed well, or ...?
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« on: June 21, 2010, 07:57:22 PM »
I notice periodically we list movies of interest. Some may have clues or not. Some may be for enjoyment purposes. If you have other movies, can you list them? Mister Lonely - about Michael Jackson impersonator in a wonderland setting. This is weird movie. The Loved One - a film that spoofs Forest Lawn cemetery. Two films with interest titles coming out in 2011 are: Body Guard of Lies - I sorry, but I can't but think of these MJ bodyguards but have no idea what movie actually about. Missing William - no idea, but find it of intrigue if we change the title to Missing Michael. 
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« on: June 19, 2010, 10:20:47 PM »
by BlackVelvet » Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:06 pm You are not allowed to view links.
Register or LoginI put youtube explaining what I mean.This is supposed to be "last rehearsal two days before he died", but this is MUCH EARLIER footage.All body language and hair of Jackson here remind me of a video he did, of which name escapes me.I think he was wearing a white shirt, anyway long curly hair like here (I know could be a wig) but face shape is not so surgery enhanced.I think this last footage is at least ten years previous to that.Maybe video I am thinking of is around same time he did video with Lisa Presley. I earlier just posted same observation on TII picture topic without reading on this topic! He look WAY too young in TII and not 50! I am not sure if the hoax started earlier, they filled after hoax, or they just needed to recoup the money they were not going to lose!
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« on: June 19, 2010, 08:34:16 PM »
Michael Jackson in TII, looks 10 years younger than he is!
Now, either he has on a ton of make-up, (and why all the make-up
for a REHEARSAL?), or this is technology. Taken from another
place and another time.
Not to say, Michael was not a handsome man at 50, but without
the make-up or technology, he look more his age. There is very
contrasting pictures when he behind the camera or throwing hands
in the air with dancers and KO.
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« on: June 17, 2010, 09:13:48 PM »
I think this can be determine by the following:
DID 02 dude have the stains, and scraped hand, and is the
02 dude the SAME one that that Tohme :evil: was forcing to get
into building. If so, I believe it to be Michael Jackson.
There is no reason why imposter/michael would try to BAIL.
SO, if there is no scape on 02 Michael Jackson, he is a double
and get paid no matter what. He could be lined up already in
building, because Michael Jackson DID not want to go to give
the speech.
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« on: June 17, 2010, 09:02:32 PM »
The Exley pictures alone are worth the magazine.
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« on: June 15, 2010, 11:04:28 PM »
by mumof3 » Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:05 pm
I read somewhere that michael had a fall that is why he had marks on his hands I always felt it was michael there but not him self ie he was upset angry alMost made up to not look like himself for some reason when I fist saw him I thought what the heck is wrong but it's him I am pretty certain but I have never sen the video of him falling so don't k ow what that was about
Michael Jackson had a fall from the CAR transporting him to 02.
He did not want to do the 02 announcement. I had wondered if he tried
to get OUT of the car. But that is only my thoughts. I never saw the video,
but someone saw it happen.
DID Michael have marks on his hands at 02? If so, this supports that
rumor. Or one could ask, if that was Michael Jackson that had the fall?
Did Tohme pull him back inside?
I either thought when I see him walk inside, that he high on oxycotin or
it not him at all.
I think everyone is getting paid off, there were more loose-lips in the
beginning.
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« on: June 15, 2010, 10:56:10 PM »
by truthprevails » Wed Jun 16, 2010 3:11 am Zen wrote:Some of you need to get a grip! :roll: I will and want to watch the documentary. Some of you haven't even read any one item this Ian write, but are simply told what to do and do so. Please do not "fan site" me. I always think for myself and many others share my opinion. I entitled to my opinion and do NOT tell you what to watch or what to believe. Sony's and AEGs dream! :roll: Zen, you do have a right to watch what you want - no one is going to enter your house and force you not to! But everyone also has a right to protest against certain things, and can choose to do so. I personally think that Michael and his body of work (speeches, interviews, songs, concerts, Moonwalk, Dancing the Dream, Moonwalker...) say everything there is to know about the man. Everything that matters to me, at least. And I'm sick and tired of every person and their dog opining on Michael regardless of how informed or uninformed they are!! Too many profiteers, too many lies, too many impersonators and copy-cats, too many attention seekers... Ugh! As Michael said, "Money is the root of all evil." :evil: What I have bolded, I am in complete agreement with. After 35 years of supporting Michael Jackson, I am SICK of every tribute, every club, every singer, comedian, long-lost friend, talk show hosts using Michael Jackson to BOOST their ratings. 3 years ago, you could not find one person on the street that give a damn, and suddenly they ALL in the streets. That ok if Michael is Alive, but if he gone, it don't mean a dam thing to Michael, not when it really mattered. I don't think it right EITHER, that one group of "fans" would try to shut up or boycott something, they haven't even picked up and read first. THEY the ones who don't have to watch or read and NOBDOY telling them to do so. I read everything and get all perspectives, because the TOTAL truth is somewhere in the middle. 
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