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Other Odd Things / Re: Another strange thing about the so called 'funeral'
« on: December 21, 2009, 02:27:08 PM »
Quote from: "Whitesocks"
Another odd thing about the funural:

I think it is very strange that there are no children, only Michaels Children are present.

Your right.  :?

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Hoax Videos / Re: New Video 24
« on: December 21, 2009, 01:40:02 PM »
Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"

Paris is an extremely extremely sensitive topic to me... All of Michaels children are..

I'm have no issue with that at all.

Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
I'm sorry if you think I was disrespectful.. I'm sorry if you think that I got pissed at you because you didn't "agree" with me..

That is hardly the case at all..

Im not going to argue with you or fight with you because that is not what we are here for...

You were disrespectful in your comments to me. I was offended enough to comment about it. That's where I have an issue. I don't comment on everything I agree or disagree with regarding the hoax. I just keep things in the back of my mind, and maybe or maybe not things will be presented that convinces me of an idea or debunk it.

When you apologize, you should do so for things you have done. Don't apologize for my thinking you offended me. Don't use 'if' as if my feelings are hypothetical. You didn't even have to say you were sorry, but only needed to clarify your statements. It would have then been up to me to apologize for misunderstanding. If you are sorry, that means you acknowledge the offence and are apologizing for it. There is no "if you feel" or "if you think." (I'm sorry. I do feel I'm sorta stepping over the line with this.  :? )

Anyways, we came here to discuss the hoax, but some discussion are more spirited  than others.  ;)


Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
Just like you say I shouldn't "assume" to know anything about the emotional state of Michael's children.. Well, honestly you shouldn't assume that I "don't" know..

One thing that needs to be stressed is that you NEVER know who is behind these videos or who is in the know of anything....

It's just silly to assume..

I only KNOW that there are Youtube accounts with persons posting videos pertaining to Michael Jackson hoaxing his death. I don't presume to know more about you than that. Insider or not, what you present is all I can interpret.


Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
I'm not reading too much into anything... I make these videos for a reason and its not just for shits and giggles..

That's nice that you don't intend to "unsubscribe"...  I wouldn't mind if you did...

Honestly? If every person on my channel unsubscribed right at this second I wouldn't flinch..

I appreciate the love, the support, the encouragement.. The feedback.. Really I do..

But my purpose is to simply put out there what I know....

People watch your videos because you have good insight that earned their respect. I don't agree on everything. That's just that.  :)


Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
You talk about opinions?

It's my opinion that anybody that knows anything about what Michael has been through, should completely relate to Paris..

Its not using her.. Its not "exploitation" for a hoax..

She is an almost 12 year old young lady.. She got on the stage and told the world that her father is AMAZING.. Despite what people have said about him... He is a GOOD person..
Paris is 11.. Im going to go out on a limb here and say that she is VERY much like her father.. Sensitive.. She got emotional and she cried.. It doesnt have anything to do with the "hoax"..
What was needed to be said was said.. But she is smart.. "I love him so much"...

Daddy "has" been not "was"... She's smart

But her emotions were real.

Don't believe that.. I don't care if you don't believe it.. But it is MY opinion that anybody that could say she was faking, isn't getting it..
Thats all..

You shouldn't assume that people who think she was faking doesn't get it. It would be just as wrong for me to assume that since your so extremely, extremely sensitive regarding his children that you have become deluded and read too much into every emotion they display.

I find your reasonings sound and well presented, but I disagree.


Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
As far as your previous comment about there only being a "few" pictures of these children looking upset? Browse through them again..

Paris= Very smart... Knows how to work a camera...but was still upset about this

Prince=Pissed off... (i'll get to this in a later video)

Blanket= very scared and confused by what was going on

final conclusion= EXTREMELY real emotions coming from those children..

What the HELL would be boring about that day??? Even if Michael was sitting there as himself....

yeah..

I have nothing else to say on this.. You are free to think for yourself..

Again.. I encourage that..

ok i'll shut up now..

Well, I'll keep looking. If I'm wrong I wouldn't be ashamed to admit it. We discuss to sharpen each other and to refine.  :D

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Hoax Videos / Re: New Video 24
« on: December 20, 2009, 09:54:56 PM »
Quote from: "TruthSeekerMaura"
Quote from: "teensy"
I think Paris gave a great performance. The kids looked bored. They could have been standing on the street watching traffic go by. I think your 'grief' photos are few compared to the whole lot. I've been back and forth many times wondering if the Jackson's were grieving, but there not! Ironically, your video convinces even more so that the children, especially Paris, was faking. I doubt Michael would have them on display when they are so visibly 'upset'. I would be disgusted if his children were upset and crying, while his family is giggling, smirking and smiling.

I hope that doesn't sound harsh. I don't mean it to be.  :)

I cant believe you can watch that  shit and say those kids were faking.. Didnt you get it at all? She was never crying about his death.. It was about what was done to him..

All I can say is wow.. I can seriously understand why Michael wanted to disappear.. honestly..

Bored?

wow..

Wow.  :?  I didn't say or imply the she was crying over his death. This is a hoax.  :|

Honestly, you didn't get my point, and are more concerned about your POV to understand. I think your reading too much into his children's emotional state, particularly Paris. I understand, with evidence you presented, why you feel the way you do, but I disagree. We don't know these kids. We have a hard enough time with Michael, but now people think they know and understand his kids. Their reasonings, their emotional state, their motivations for the things they do. Are you someone with insight to know?  

She absolutely must have feelings regarding the treatment her whole family gets from the media, but that does not mean that is why she was 'crying' at the memorial. That is only speculation. It's possible, but you can't know that unless you ask her. You don't know what she was thinking at the time.

I don't get it. You don't put it pass Michael to fake his death, but you can't fathom his daughter using crocodile tears.

If Michael using his children's real grief/distress to make his hoax more believable, that is digusting. It's exploitation. It's putting them on display in front of the media voltures.

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All I can say is wow.. I can seriously understand why Michael wanted to disappear.. honestly..

Regarding this...all I can say is that I expected more from you. Like Michael did this to get away from fans or people like me! You say this because I have a different view on circumstances we can only speculate about but cannot confirm. When there is evidence to support both sides! You say people need to think for themselves, yet when not in line with your's you say something like that!

That is low. I really can't believe you said that. I not trying to start stuff or planning to hold a grudge. I subscribe, and still plan to watch your videos as soon as they come out. But that comment is disrespectful.

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Hoax Videos / Re: New Video 24
« on: December 20, 2009, 08:04:44 PM »
I think Paris gave a great performance. The kids looked bored. They could have been standing on the street watching traffic go by. I think your 'grief' photos are few compared to the whole lot. I've been back and forth many times wondering if the Jackson's were grieving, but there not! Ironically, your video convinces even more so that the children, especially Paris, was faking. I doubt Michael would have them on display when they are so visibly 'upset'. I would be disgusted if his children were upset and crying, while his family is giggling, smirking and smiling.

I hope that doesn't sound harsh. I don't mean it to be.  :)

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Other Odd Things / Re: Another strange thing about the so called 'funeral'
« on: December 19, 2009, 09:44:49 PM »
Quote from: "Dancing_Machine"
Quote from: "TheKingWillReturn"
Dancing_machine, That is my point, A reality tv "Star" has people linning the streets for her funeral, she was only a reality tv star, Michael was The King Of Pop, A legendary recording artist and nothing for him??? I Don't get it??  :roll:  :?:

This is big evidence of this being a hoax.
Cause the family couldn't have got the streets blocked unnecessary if no one died.

Good point!  :D

They were telling fans for days not to come down there because they would be kept away. Weren't people who didn't have tickets kept 2 blocks aways? They really made sure to keep people away from the memorial. Access was under strict control.

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Other Odd Things / Re: YOU SHOULD SEE THIS. I'm crying so bad at the moment
« on: December 19, 2009, 09:21:50 PM »
Why is that picture radiating happiness? This is at an memorial that, IMHO, wasn't cheerful and was confusing to watch.  :?  That picture is so odd.

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Other Odd Things / Re: FBI Files Will Be Released 12/22
« on: December 19, 2009, 09:11:09 PM »
I'm intrigued. I've marked it on my calender.  :geek:

I do hope we get a more comprehensive look at all the Ish Michael has been through, even if we already know most of it. It will be interesting to get the information from the perpective of the Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI).

Learning about Michael and all he has been thought has really open my heart, and made me respect him more and more.  :oops:

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Other Odd Things / Re: MJ's will to be revoked in Jan 2010
« on: December 19, 2009, 08:29:45 PM »
Quote from: "LLJ"
Hi

I heard MJ's will is going to be revoked on 28 Jan 2010. Not sure if it has been discussed here?

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I clicked on the link and didn't see anything about Michael's will. Can you help? :)

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Other Odd Things / Re: I'm crying so bad at the moment
« on: December 19, 2009, 08:08:48 PM »
Thanks for posting the song and the lyrics, LiberianGirl! That seems to be a definity clue. The line is said more than once in the song, not a one-time random thing.

Does anybody remember this song before his death? I never looked up his and Paul's duets or heard any others, besides TGIM and Say, Say, Say.

Though, I'm not saying it didn't exist before either. Just curious.  :)

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Hoax Videos / Re: My Newbie 23
« on: December 19, 2009, 07:52:12 PM »
Another great video.  :D

What an ironic slip of the tongue for Jermaine to make.  :roll:

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Random MJ Talk / Re: i hate times like this
« on: December 17, 2009, 08:07:07 PM »
I feel that way sometimes as well. When I think about the evidence that made me believe in the hoax I feel so much better. Also, I try to keep a positive light on the hoax. Their are a lot of different takes on the reasons and events involved with the hoax. When there are disturbing things regarding Michael, I try to see if that's fits with the image he created, things he said. If a thoery doesn't connect-the-dots I leave it alone. I try to steer clear of desperate and sad feelings. Those emotions get me twisted up and believing anything and nothing.

If the doesn't work I say, "Chuck Michael Jackson and his hoax!!  :evil: " Then comeback when I've calmed down.  :oops:

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Other Odd Things / Re: Mums The Word
« on: December 16, 2009, 01:52:56 PM »
I'v definitlynoticed this lack of coverage. It's seems that after the burial MJ news took a dive.

Isn't it weird how all the Murray news is coming from tabloids(TMZ). How they just happen to be there whenever Murray moves, but no other new organizations can manage to get their own coverage. Their all sharing the same footage and pictures.

I thing news organization either now or strongly suspect that this is a hoax. They have way more resources than we do and there are a whole lot of clues.

They're waiting for Michael's next move.  8-)

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Quote from: "mjj_fan"
one i forgot to mention was when paramedics said they couldnt recognise him he looked old and was bald according to media , well , he had discoid lupus leading to baldness although it was told by dr  arnold the disease was in remission, another fact vitiligo is associated with another disease leading to baldness , and to be very honest when i saw mj mugshot from 2005  trial i could hardly believe it was him ,

But think of the ambulance photo. It definitly looked like Michael. He wasn't bald. Unless they decided they decided to slap him on some make-up and a wig, then take him to the hospital.  :roll:

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Other Odd Things / Re: This is DEFINITELY not Mike.
« on: December 15, 2009, 08:42:57 PM »
I haven't really thought why doubles were used. I just accepted them as apart of the hoax. Thinking about it brings up a lot of whys.

I don't think there were ever meant to be a concert. That This Is It was supposed to be a movie. A hoax is all about illusion. Maybe there is a message in the fact that he is mixed in with doubles. It's a clue.

I can't think right now. My mind is blow wide open. I am flooded with questions.  :?

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Hoax Videos / Re: Look closely at Paris!
« on: December 15, 2009, 05:26:12 PM »
I think she is figeting. A lot. It would be easier to have it on the side where her ear isn't exposed. But I do think Janet was trying to calm her down. She was figeting a ot.

When I watch this I find more suspicious behavoir. Like when Marlon finishes he speech, he starts 'crying' and the family goes into a huddle. You can clearly see Janet smiling, and you can see Jackie smiling. Jackie looks like he can barely keep in a laugh. :!:

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