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I'm bumping this topic because I have emailed with Craig Harvey myself and know how weird his answers are so I believe this post to be true. I am not sure if Molly would still get a notification of this topic after more than a decade and maybe still have the original emails, but I think it's interesting to see that the spokesperson working for the LA County Coroner's office would even entertain the idea that the death certificate is bogus. And yes he actually implied that, I do have my original emails saved.

Other Odd Things / Re: A spotting in Finland?

« on: August 06, 2021, 03:09:10 AM »

Never seen her in my life. Who do you think she looks like?

Other Odd Things / Re: A spotting in Finland?

« on: August 06, 2021, 02:59:32 AM »

Nope, I get a white page.

Other Odd Things / Re: A spotting in Finland?

« on: August 06, 2021, 02:34:00 AM »

The picture is way too small, I can't make out who that is.

Michael Jackson News / After court victories, Michael Jackson estate eyes revival

« on: August 06, 2021, 02:30:15 AM »

After court victories, Michael Jackson estate eyes revival

By ANDREW DALTON
July 30, 2021

BEVERLY HILLS, Calif. (AP) — Michael Jackson’s musical legacy never left, but a kind of comeback is coming.

With a series of court victories that bring the end to serious legal crises, with a Broadway show beginning and a Cirque du Soleil show returning after a long pandemic pause, the Jackson business is on the upswing 12 years after the pop superstar’s death.

Very recently, things looked grim. The 2019 HBO documentary “ Leaving Neverland ” raised child molestation allegations anew. The once-dead lawsuits brought by the two men featured in it had been revived by changes in the law. And a decision in the estate’s appeal of a $700 million tax bill was taking years to arrive.

“I was always optimistic,” John Branca, the entertainment attorney who worked with Jackson through many of his biggest triumphs and now serves as co-executor of his estate, told The Associated Press in an interview at his Beverly Hills home. “Michael inspired the planet and his music still does. There was never any doubt about that.”

The optimism was warranted. A succession of court decisions came. One accusers’ lawsuit was dismissed in October. The other was tossed out in April. In May, a ruling in the tax case slashed the bill dramatically. The estate suddenly stands nearly clear of a dozen years of disputes. That means Branca expects that in the next 18 months it can finally be taken out of probate court and turned into a trust for Jackson’s three children, who are all now adults.

And the focus of the estate can now shift back to presenting Jackson to the world.

The first priority is the revival of the Cirque du Soleil show, “Michael Jackson: One” at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino in Las Vegas. It is slated to reopen Aug. 19 after a coronavirus closure of nearly a year and a half, in time for a major celebration there planned for Jackson’s Aug. 29 birthday.

The Broadway show, “MJ: The Musical,” will follow quickly on its heels, the first of several planned projects.

Branca said the delay of well over a year, as happened for all of Broadway, was “frustrating” but he has renewed excitement about “MJ: The Musical” and shared new details.

“It’s not a chronological depiction of Michael’s life,” he said. “It’s more impressionistic, inspired by Michael’s life and his music. It takes place as Michael is preparing for a tour and MTV wants to get an interview. Michael’s very press shy, and slowly but surely as they develop a relationship begins to talk about different parts of his life that then get enacted in the show.”

Two-time Pulitzer Prize winner Lynn Nottage wrote the show’s book. Tony Award-winner Christopher Wheeldon is directing and choreographing. Broadway newcomer Myles Frost will star as Jackson, after Ephraim Sykes dropped out to shoot a movie. Rehearsals resume in September, and previews begin in December.

Branca said he’s proud of the diversity the show will bring to the stage.

“The cast is obviously largely Black,” Branca said, “In an era where that’s sorely wanted on Broadway.”

Successes aside, Branca feels lingering bitterness about director Dan Reed’s “Leaving Neverland” and what he felt were American media outlets that “don’t have the time or the wherewithal to do the research to figure out what’s true and what’s not true.”

Hence, the estate’s last lingering lawsuit, now in private arbitration, is one that it brought itself, and one Branca very much wanted filed, against HBO over the documentary.

“I was very angry at HBO and Dan Reed and I still am because here’s the thing: You can say anything you want about somebody who’s dead. They’re not here to protect themselves,” Branca said.

The two men featured in the documentary are appealing the dismissals of their lawsuits. HBO has defended “Leaving Neverland” as a valid and important piece of documentary journalism.

Ironically, the victory handed to the estate in its tax case came in part because the judge believed the value of Jackson’s image and likeness had been severely diminished by such allegations at the time of his death, despite his acquittal at his 2005 trial for child molestation. It was one aspect of an all-around victory for the estate that’s bringing a far smaller bill that’s being calculated now.

Under the guidance of Branca and his more behind-the-scenes co-executor John McClain, the estate has brought in $2.5 billion in revenue in the past 11 years, and Jackson has remained the top earning deceased celebrity every year since his death at age 50 from a lethal dose of the anesthetic propofol.

But Branca says the way Jackson’s musical legacy echoes through modern artists may be his most impressive legacy.

“Kanye West, Drake, Beyoncé, Usher, Justin Timberlake, Justin Bieber, Ariana Grande — they all point back to Michael,” Branca said. “His influence is really enormous.”

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This story has been corrected to show Jackson’s birthday is Aug. 29, not Aug. 27.
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Honest Journalism ~ Vindicating Michael Jackson / Authorities: There's Never Been Evidence Michael Jackson Was A Pedophile!

« on: August 06, 2021, 02:20:48 AM »

Old article I found on MJKIT. Interesting to see how -before Wade came up with his nonsense- even the yellow journalists from Radar Online had to admit Michael could never have been a pedo.

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Authorities: There's Never Been Evidence Michael Jackson Was A Pedophile!
Posted on May 05, 2011 @ 03:43PM
By Jen Heger
Radar Legal Editor

With Katherine Jackson ratcheting up the debate about her son Michael Jackson's relationship with children by saying he was no child molester, a well-placed government source tells RadarOnline she's right.

"The Los Angeles Department of Children and Family Services absolutely agrees with Katherine that her son never molested any child in cases the department investigated," a source told RadarOnline.

Michael Jackson was investigated by DCFS on and off for at least 10 years. The department undertook a first extensive investigation of allegations made by an underage accuser in 1993."Michael was fully cooperative during all of his interactions with DCFS," the source said. "Michael was interviewed for hours without his lawyer. He held nothing back. He couldn't understand why these allegations were being made against him. DCFS cleared him on any wrongdoing in ALL investigations.

Did Michael put himself in precarious situations that most normal people wouldn't? Absolutely . . . The questioning was very, very hard on Michael, he just couldn't fathom that anyone could accuse him of being a child molester."

Another accuser, in 2005, "had absolutely no credibility," the source said. "There were differing accounts of what happened from the accuser and his family members."

Los Angeles' DCFS also investigated claims of abuse last year involving Michael Jackson's three children. Michael's nephew, Jaafar, allegedly used a stun gun on Michael's son, Blanket. After an extensive investigation, DCFS again took no action in the 2010 stun gun incident.

"Katherine was questioned by officials from the department, and as always, she was cooperative but saddened," the source said. "Katherine feels that her family has been targeted by opportunists over the years, and she just hopes that was the last time she ever has to go through that."

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Revisiting Old Stuff / Re: A Complete list of Information and Facts regarding the MJ Death Hoax (MJHD)

« on: August 05, 2021, 03:09:12 AM »

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Drugs

There were no drugs found in Michael Jackson’s home until the second search by Police (after the Jackson family and others had been inside the home.)

The Annoncement of the death

A Report from the entertainment gossip website TMZ announces Michael Jackson’s death before any serious source gets the information. They were reporting the news only minutes after Michael Jackson had been confirmed dead by doctors at UCLA.

Death certificate

From the coroners office, Michael Jackson's death certificate was not signed by a physician. DR. Conrad Murray, Michael’s personal Doctor refused to sign it, as did the physicians at the coroners office – why??

Currently Michael Jackson has no legal death certificate (there has been one issued and released to the public, but it is not signed by a doctor or coroner).

All of the doctor's involved in Michael Jackson's case at UCLA Medical Center refused to sign the death certificate.

Autopsy

There is no official cause of death. Toxicology reports are impatiently anticipated which could take up to six weeks from the death, we have 2 ½ to go.

There are reports that the family are waiting for Michael’s Brain to be released back to them before the bury the body…he has been dead for 4 weeks now, and is still not buried.

Dr Conrad Murray

Conrad Murray had been Michael's doctor for 11 days, and was hired by AEG the promoter for the London O2 Concerts. A couple month's prior to this, Michael had passed a 5 hour fitness test for insurance purposes, with a clean bill of health. So why exactly was a cardiologist hired for Michael, and that too only 11 days prior to his ‘death'?

Apparently, Conrad Murray was a 'shady' physician to begin with, he even had declared bankruptcy in the 90's. His prior activity is certainly suspicious, and he of course makes an easy candidate to blame for Michael's ‘death'. Also note that the heaps of drugs that the LAPD has supposedly located, must have been there prior to Conrad's employment. Not only that, but to build an addiction and tolerance to them requires years, not just 11 days. So unfortunately Conrad is a poor physician who is possibly being framed for a crime that does not exist. Michael was a close friend of physicians such as Deepak Chopra – so why would he settle for a shady doctor?

Murray was to earn a monthly salary of $150,000; but according to AEG Live, the concert promoter, Jackson had not signed the contract at the time of his death = not hired yet + not allowed to practice in the UK and California apparently = why was he with Michael Jackson then??

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Michael Jackson’s live-in cardiologist doesn't have a defibrillator. This same Cardiologist doesn't know how CPR is done? He performs it on the bed, rather than a hard surface?

He has no possession of drugs to counteract the effects of propofol (there is one), and No defibrilator? Hmmmm

Minutes after Michael Jackson is taken away by ambulance, Dr. Murray disappears, and his car is impounded by police and searched for evidence.

It is announced that there is “no foul play” suspected after only 1 day, and that Dr. Murray is not a suspect in any dealings with Michael Jackson’s death. 3 weeks later homocide is suspected?

Why is it that Dr. Murray was to accompany Michael Jackson to London, when he is not licensed to practice medicine there?

Oddly, there seems to be only one picture in existence of Dr. Conrad Murray. Even the papparazzi can't seem to find him.

Dr. Murray “is not a suspect but only a witness” and yet he hires an attorney anyway and has the attorney speak for him in interviews.

Some articles state Dr. Murray as a holistic doctor. He's also not licensed to prescribe any medication which could have harmed Michael Jackson in the state of California. He also couldn't administer such medication legally. Why would Michael Jackson allow this doctor into his life if he couldn’t even prescribe any drugs he may have needed/wanted?

The Family

Katherine Jackson Michael’s Mother was seen shopping at Target for Camping Gear the day after her son died. She also went to get her nails done the day of his Memorial.

Janet Jackson and the Jackson family removed Michael's belongings from the house that he was renting in LA on June 27th.

Debbie Rowe Days after Michael’s death claimed she wanted custody of their chilren then retracted her intention days later.

Joe Jackson when asked during the first interview after Michael’s death how he and the family were doing, takes the opportunity to promote his new record label – he also reported that Michael Jackson's kids who had just lost their father were doing “great”.

Also, Joe Jackson and Jesse Jackson were seen laughing outside the family home, less than 2 days after Michael died! while Joe gave a thumbs up to the media?…

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LaToya Jackson Two and a half weeks after her brother’s death, LaToya is claiming that Michael was murdered and that she knows who did it. She also stated that if the persons responsible did not come forward, that she would expose them. Interestingly she was paid quite a large sum for the interview in which she voices these claims. If your brother had been murdered and you knew who did it, wouldn’t you want to tell the world without the promise of a paycheck?

The Memorial

There are many strange and odd occurances which took place during Michael Jackson’s Memorial. Here are what we have taken note of:

The gospel choir singing the Return of the King
The tearless speech from Paris Jackson
The words on the screen at the end of the Memorial ‘I’m alive and I’m here forever’.
No one in Michael’s family cried
No real freinds attended the memorial – no close friends like Diana Ross, Liz Taylor, Macaulay Culkin, Quincy Jones, etc.
The extra “s” on “pain” in the ‘Will You Be There’ monologue at the memorial. Michael Jackson never would have recorded a “mistake” and allowed it's release.
La Toya stating that ‘Michael is watching all of you’ referring to the people in the Nokia Arena.
The picture Micheal directing a video clip.
Kenny Ortega at the memoriaL, saying “Michael was here a week ago” when Michael had “died” nearly two weeks ago.
Marlon Jackson feels the need to share a story about when Michael was disguised as someone else and that he knew it was his quite easily…was this an appropriate story for a memorial? And why this particular one of all the stories he could have shared after spending 50 years with his younger brother?
Final slide at the memorial is MJ at the end of Librarian Girl, behind a movie camera directing unsuspecting participants in his music video.
The entire memorial was conducted as a Jehoviah’s Witness ceremony, even though Michael Jackson was reported to have converted to Islam in 2006.

The Corpse

The family INSISTED on having the casket at the public memorial although it was a closed coffin. The reason as stated by the Jackson family was that his face was damaged by CPR and attempted Resuscitation, however, other reports say he looked peaceful and like he was sleeping moments after he died.

With the family giving this reasoning that the body was not viewable for the public because of the damage during CPR how is it suitable then to allow his children and family to view body?

In a final twist, this same body disappeared after the memorial. Nobody knows where it went or where it is currently being held. What we do know is that is STILL has not been buried.

The will

Michael Jackson's will was at first not found, but then later miraculously found, however it was dated from 2002.

Finances

Michael Jackson was apparently in debt for hundreds of millions of dollars before his death. Record sales of albums and merchandise shot through the roof after his death.

Autopsies

We have been led to believe that there may have been 3 different autopsies performed on Michael Jackson’s body.

The angle that Michael Jackson was drug addicted at the time of his death has been pushed from day one and the long awaited toxicology report will shed light on this theory.

UCLA Medical Center refused to release an official report on the death of Michael Jackson.

Neverland

Michael Jackson is still not 'buried' as far as we know, although it had been expressed by the Jackson family that they wanted him to be buried at Neverland. California law would not allow this to take place as it was private residence.

Neverland was gussied up before Michael Jackson passed away, even though he had expressed no desire to ever return to living there. The gardens had been replanted and the property was being maintained again after neglect.

Neveland ordered 32000 lbs of concrete – no one knows why but its in there somewhere.

Jermaine Jackson says in an interview with Larry King, ” Oh its hard to point where my brother will be, right over there by the train station, there’s a place for him.' Huh?

The Children

The custody hearing for Michael Jackson’s children keeps being delayed. It was expressed in Michael Jackson’s will that he wanted his children to live with his mother, Katherine Jackson.

Pepsi

Also, mysterious source releases Pepsi accident video which reportedly MJ wanted released back in 1984 but Pepsi refused. Pepsi is angered by the video's release.

I read some where that Michael Jackson apparently bought all of the footage from the Pepsi commercial shoot so that the video could never be leaked to the public like it has now been. The article I saw this in also states that this footage was in Michael's possession and that the only way for it to be leaked to the media is through someone close to him who has betrayed him.

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Why has the Pepsi footage been released now after his death? Why does everyone all of a sudden need to see what he went through? Why not do that during the trial if it was his camp doing it?

E'Casanova

E’Casanova is a Michael Jackson and impersonator who has one of the biggest likenesses to all of the Michael Jackson ‘doubles’ that exist. There has been speculation that it was E’Casanova who attended the O2 Conference as Michael Jackson, rather than Jackson himself. Strangely, E’Casanova's twitter page blocking everyone out – does he have something to hide?

Liz Taylor

Liz Taylor’s reasoning for not attending her ‘best friend’s’ memorial was that she couldn't bring herself to “mourn in public” and stated that her feelings were private. She could, however, bring herself to tweet about it which is even more public and impersonal. For that matter, why does Liz Taylor even HAVE a Twitter account, which she started back in March? Conveniently her first post ever mentions Dr. Klein who was Michael Jackson’s plastic surgeon.

Dr. Arnold Klein

Michael Jackson’s skin doctor Arnold Klein was completely rebuilding the star’s ravaged face in the run-up to his This Is It comeback shows.

Klein desperately tried to make the King of Pop appear “more normal” for his 50-date run at London’s O2 Arena after years of cosmetic surgery left the singer’s face severely scarred and acne-ridden

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AEG Live

AEG Live, the company who were in charge of promoting the London O2 concerts, who hired Dr. Conrad Murray as Michael’s personal physician, who insisted that he pass a 5 hour medial prior to signing him on for the concerts, who initially announced 10 performances, then upped it to 50, who took out an insurance policy that specified that if the artist (Michael Jackson) died of self induced circumstances and not natural death, it could get it's money back.

Hmmm.

So there you have it..a full summary of the strange and unexplained events surrounding Michael Jackson's death. Obviously much of this information is open to interpretation, however even the most believing person who insists that he has indeed died, would have to admit, that this is very far from an open and shut case.

Revisiting Old Stuff / A Complete list of Information and Facts regarding the MJ Death Hoax (MJHD)

« on: August 05, 2021, 03:08:43 AM »

As I am going through old stuff I come across a lot of old posts that might be interesting for the newer members (or anyone who tuned in too late to be a part of that chaotic first few months) because it has lots of info as was reported or found back then. So even though links might not work anymore, people might get an idea of what went on those first few months. Needless to say the information might be outdated and inaccurate at times in hindsight, but nevertheless I believe it may be of value looking back 12+ years later. This post was posted on the original MJHD forum on July 25th, 2009 by Amy, who was the admin of that forum back then. I have to split it up in two because it exceeds the maximum allowed length of 20000 characters.

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There are few who would deny that when the news of the death of Michael Jackson was announced on June 25th 2009, we all believed it to be true…well almost all of us.

The story sounded very credible. The image that was released of Paramedics desperately trying to resuscitate Michael Jackson in the back of an ambulance , the live footage that we all saw and the statements to the press given by the Jackson family members had us all saddened and ready to begin mourning the loss of the greatest Entertainer of our time.

Then, as the days went on, cracks began to show in the tightly woven fabrication of Michael Jacksons 'death'. Flaws in the events that took place the day he died, conflicting information given by the Jackson Family and the Media and unrealistic coincidences began to appear, raising more and more doubt as to the validity of the claim.

Too many questions are still unanswered, and more questions are popping up each day in regard to his final resting place, where his body is currently being held, when the illusive toxicology report from his two autopsies will be released, why his death certificate has not been signed, and on and on it goes.

Michael Jackson Hoax Death has analysed all of the information fed by the Media in the weeks following the death of ‘The King of Pop’ and has made many conclusions of it’s own.

Whether you personally believe Michael Jackson is dead or alive, the facts and analysis of these facts below are undeniable. We have not fabricated any of these facts, we have merely pointed out the obvious, and have collaborated all of the information that has already been fed to us by the media.

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“The Truth is like the Sun, You can shut it out for a time, but it ain’t goin’ away”

Elvis Presley

Before the ‘Death’ of Michael Jackson

Even before his death, different ears and teeth had been observed on Michael Jackson in various images since the late 80's creating a general suspicion in regard to just how often his ‘decoys’ were used in place of the ‘real thing’.

In December 2008 someone called in a radio show in the United States and claimed Michael Jackson had died from a drug overdose. After investigation it was all put down to a hoax, but not before many distraught fans had heard the news and a local TV station reported it. View the Report Here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

From December 2008 – February 2009, it was reported that Michael was suffering with a serious skin infection that could lead to flesh eating bacteria, had emphysema, needed lung transplants, and had intestinal bleeding. It was even reported that Michael felt that he was going to die shortly. He was photographed on wheelchairs, and was at the point that he could not even walk.

However, a couple months later – he rocked the world with news that he will be launching the O2 concerts. Not only that, but AEG released footage of him dancing on stage in perfect form, 2 days prior to his death. It is rumored that Michael used illness as a means of seeking media attention, something that he had learnt from his close friend Elizabeth Taylor. In fact, he once even ‘collapsed' prior to a concert – which was cancelled. In addition, he reportedly used illness as a means of not attending public events. How is this not different then, only on a larger scale?

Body plastinated posthumously

Michael was obsessed with mannequins, and had these placed all around his residences. He was a very lonely person who wanted to have people close to him in his life. The only company that he could have were mannequins. There are reports that Michael's staff contacted Gunther Von Hagens to have his body plastinated posthumously.

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Was this only posthumous or did he have replicas of his body created? Michael's trainer admitted that Michael loved pulling pranks, such as sending mannequins in ambulances to throw off the Paparrazzi. How do we know that what has happened now is NOT a prank??

London

Michael Jackson was acting strange at the O2 Concert announcement in London and very unlike his usual self, and there is much speculation about whether or not this person who conducted this Press Conference was in fact Michael Jackson, or a ‘look alike’

Michael Jackson’s hairstyle was changing frequently between straight hair/curly hair during his appearances. At the O2 conference, he had a very fluffy straight hair style and in the ‘final rehearsal’ footage, he is sporting a curly longer hair style, similar to the hairstyle he wore 10 years ago.
There are conflicting reports at to the true state of Michael Jackson’s health in the lead up to his London Concerts. Some say he was healthy, some say he was very frail and fatigued.

Michael Jackson made a phone call to a nurse to discuss medical problems on Fathers Day when he allegedly had his own LIVE-IN doctor LIVING with him (Dr. Conrad Murray).

Michael Jackson hated touring and it is reported that he initially only signed on to perform 10 concerts in London. Due to all 10 shows selling out in a matter of minutes, AEG, the concert promoters, released another 40 shows without Michael’s permission, taking the final tally of concerts to 50, over the period of 10 months, against his will

How did Michael Jackson pass a 4-5 physical health examination by an independent doctor for Lloyds of London to insure his concerts if he was “frail,” “sickly,” or “drug addicted?”

Cherilynn Lee, claims Michael Jackson had begged her for the drug Diprivan, although she is only a NUTRITIONIST. Why would he call her? Especially when he had his own personal doctor, and especially when he hadn't spoken to her in three months anyway and supposedly owed her money. (Could owing her money be a motivation for her coming out with this ridiculous story?)

Michael all of a sudden begins to take his kids out in public minus veils in the weeks leading up to his “death”.

In a coincidental move, Michael Jackson re-hired the prominent entertainment lawyer John Branca just three weeks before his passing after John Branca has resigned from being Michael’s lawyer in 2006.

Michael did not hire any dancers or choreographer for his upcoming concert. View video…
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All of Michael Jackson's London concerts were postponed – from the 8th to the 13th July, the concerts from 10th July moved to March 2010.
The recording by AEG of Michael Jackson’s ‘Final Rehearsal’ was conveniently recorded in Full HD Audio and Video.

A friend of Michael's, Gotham Chopra on the 10th July tweets: Had the most fascinating dinner last night with that guy that runs the world from behind the curtain. View it here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

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There are too many conflicting stories about what really happened the day he ‘died’ (and the night before – some say he was awesome during rehearsals and others say he was lethargic).

Addicts do all kinds of things that hurt their friends and family. The argument that he wouldn't abuse drugs because it would hurt is children just doesn't work. He already admitted to a dependence in the past. It wouldn't surprise me if it had happened again, especially if the rumors about his health issues were true. If in fact Michael Jackson had been abusing the drug propofol for 15 years how is it possible that it could never had effected him before?

The 911 call

Why are there conflicting stories about finding Michael Jackson collapsed/not breathing?

Joe Jackson said something about him going to bed night of the 24th and not waking up. Other reports state that he got up on the 25th June, walked across to Dr Murrays room from his room saying he wasn’t feeling well, and collapsed, and somewhere else states that he was already in the Doctors room. Latoya later says that Michael was found in Murray's room, not in his own room.

We have also heard reports that Michael Jackson’s son Prince was in the room and thought ‘Daddy was joking’ while he was convulsing on the floor – because he could be quite the prankster? Hrmmmmm…

With so many guards and other personnel in the household was there nobody available to make an immediate phone call to 911?

When the 911 call was finally made it was not until 30 minutes after Michael Jackson collapsed?

The staff member who finally did make the call to 911 was very polite and mentioned that there was a “gentleman” who was in need of assistance – why didn’t he say it was Michael Jackson?

The 911 operator HUNG UP on the caller saying “call us back if you need any more help”. This is 100% against 911 protocol, the 911 operator is to stay on the line until authorities arrive. Why wouldn’t they need more help – THERE IS SOMEONE DYING!

How and why was the famous 911 call released? And how was it released to the public so soon? Wouldn’t this be very private and kept under lock and key?

It is a widely known fact that cell phones have GPS tracking. Even without knowing Michael Jackson's full address the doctor could have used his cell phone to call 911 immediately and they could have been able to track him. Also, Michael Jackson lived very close to the UCLA Medical Center and if he'd just said it was ‘Michael Jackson's house’, they would have known where to go.

Dr. Murray claims there was no land line in Michael’s room as he was paranoid about ‘phone taps and bugs’ which is his excuse regarding the delay of the call to 911.

I’m sorry but no phone or didn't know the address? Ridiculous.

Everyone in L.A. knows where that house is. All you have to do is scream “MICHAEL JACKSON IS DYING, PLEASE HURRY.” Trust me, they would know where to find him. A house phone would have produced the address anyway.

Other strange inconsistencies are that the person who made the 911call was never questioned by police and has disappeared without a trace.

The person making the call was entirely ‘too calm’. This was Michael Jackson that was lying there, not breathing, not to mention his own employer.

The person making the call never identified himself, which is standard procedure for 911 operators.

The person making the call never identified Michael Jackson.

The 911 operator says ‘to call back' if they need to and disconnects. Standard procedure is to stay on the line until paramedics arrive. The operator cannot verify that there is a doctor in the residence and it does not matter if there was. They have to stay on that line.

Paparrazzi WOULD be there at his house quickly. They have police scanners and as soon as a call is placed, they would be there (again, everyone in L.A. knows where he was living).

As far as the details of what actually happened, they are very hazy…Did Michael Jackson collapse or did he die in his sleep?

Why did Michael Jackson’s personal doctor and cardiologist, Doctor Conrad Murray perform CPR on the his BED?
Did Michael Jackson die in his own bedroom or the doctor's room?

It was reported that the kids were home…when did they leave the house? With whom?

The Ambulance

The Ambulance that is filmed backing out of Michael Jackson’s driveway is going extremely slow with no hint of emergency, without sirens or lights.

Footage of the ambulance leaving the residence show an extremely slow moving ambulance. It appears to have trouble backing out. The sirens are not on. The guard at the gate is not helping the driver manoeuvre out of the driveway, although Michael is supposedly near death inside of it.

There are two ambulances pictured : one of them seems to obviously show that Michael Jackson, in the ambulance, is frowning with a large vein protruding out of his forhead. An unconscious person doesn't frown or have ‘veins’ protruding. (interpretation, not fact).

The last pictures

The breathing apparatus in the picture is not properly over the mouth of the person or over his nose, nor are the chest compressions being performed in the right place. This from trained paramedics?

There has been much speculation as to whether or not the person photographed is actually Michael Jackson or not.

Why was there the need to have News footage of the ‘body’ of Michael Jackson being flown via helicopter from the UCLA Medical Center to the Morgue? Why was the ‘body’ flown via helicopter in the first place? If he was indeed dead, then what was the rush to get him there? Driving and getting caught in traffic wouldn’t have really made much difference.

The Hospital

There has been No information from ONE single staffer at UCLA confirming/denying that Michael Jackson was even there. There are conflicting reports about the true state of Michael Jackson’s well-being when he arrived at the hospital. Some say he was DOA – Dead on Arrival, having officially died at his home – which would explain why the ambulance that picked him up was in no rush – however the Jackson Family have stated that he was in ‘A Coma’ upon arrival at the hospital, and they were hugging him and that he ‘looked peaceful’ like he was ‘sleeping’, and later died while doctors and a medical team were working on him for a further 60 minutes. On one hand you have LaToya saying that MJ was still warm when she saw him in the hospital, and Jermaine saying how cold he felt when he saw him.

Conveniently a fire alarm went off while Michael Jackson was at the hospital – the hospital had to be evacuated. View the info here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

It was reported that many members of Michael Jackson's family were already at the hospital when he arrived, his mother, his children, Jermaine and LaToya though there are no eye witnesses to verify this. If this is in fact true, how did his own children make it there before he did, when he was taken via ambulance? How is it that Jermaine made it there before his brother when he supposedly heard the news about his brother on the radio (which he states during an interview with Larry King at Neverland).

House and staff

Within a few hours of the cardiac arrest, Michael Jackson's close staff personnel were fired. It seems like a very bizarre and prompt decision. The Jackson family were permitted to enter the House and promptly took carloads of items.

There are news clippings of this in youtube, where you can see that even bed sheets and blankets were removed from his house. The Jackson family stated that they were concerned that these would be stolen. However, the LAPD investigation into Jackson's death resulting from drug overdose and possibility of homicide was launched on the 28th. At this point, his belongings from his rented house had already been removed by the Jackson's. Despite this, the LAPD investigation contends that they found IV stands, IV bags, prescription medications and oxygen tanks. So if Michael's belongings had already been removed, what exactly did the LAPD find and how do we know that these were firstly even present, and secondly if they had not been ‘planted’ there by the family? This took place before the police arrived at the scene and closed the scene for investigation.

Another convenience is that the Survellience tapes from the Security CCTV went missing (or never existed because the system was turned off) of the events surrounding Michael's “death”.

The “collapse” was allegedly recorded and then the tape cuts. The Hard drive where the CCTV footage of the house and grounds was auto downloaded is erased.

Jackson always kept a few million dollars in cash and certain items of jewelry with him where ever he went. These items are missing and no cash was found in the home.

Other Odd Things / Re: What color is Michael Jackson?

« on: August 05, 2021, 02:29:35 AM »

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Just a thought but his skin got lighter after the Pepsi accident, what if he used Glutathione
for his scars from the burn and also his acne he had (usually you don't get such a smooth skin if you had acne very badly) and it was a sight affect and then he went along with it?

That wouldn't explain the obvious vitiligo spots we see through the years though.

Random MJ Talk / Plastic surgeon on Michael Jackson

« on: August 04, 2021, 12:38:52 PM »

Good and honest analysis pointing fingers at the right people: greedy doctors.

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Michael's Reasons to hoax his death / Re: Theory that MJ had to go into hiding because of his fight against Bioterrorism

« on: August 04, 2021, 09:50:08 AM »

Clicking on a link on the website linked in the above post, this comes up. Sounds crazy as hell, but nothing surprises me anymore, so maybe worth looking into as I can't find the Russian source, who speaks Russian?

Russia's FSB Reports Pop Icon Michael Jackson Assassinated By CIA

FSB sources are reporting to President Medvedev today that American pop icon Michael Jackson was “most assuredly” assassinated by the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) after an examination of data transmitted by a Russian Military’s Kosmos 2450 satellite show “conclusively” that immediately prior to the music stars death in Los Angeles an electromagnetic pulse consistent in pattern to EMR weapons looted from the former Soviet Union by the United States was employed at the “exact coordinates” of the rock stars home.

To the type of technology being perfected by the US Military-Industrial Complex based upon former Soviet Union research used in these kinds of assassinations we can read about as reported by Cheryl Welsh, president, Citizens Against Human Rights Abuse, in her landmark 2001 report “Electromagnetic Radiation (EMR) Weapons: As Powerful As The Atomic Bomb”, and which says:

“A newly declassified U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency report says- extensive Soviet research into microwaves might lead to methods of causing disoriented human behavior, nerve disorders or even heart attacks.... A copy of the study was provided by the agency to The Associated Press in response to a request under the Freedom of Information Act. The Pentagon agency refused to release some portions of the study, saying they remain classified on national security grounds.”

Even more importantly, since Ms Welsh’s landmark report in 2001, the US has continued perfecting this insidious technology they’ve named Active Denial System (ADS), and as we can read as reported by New Scientist in their 2005 report titled “US Military seeks new non-lethal weapon; the prototype of the phaser?”, and which says:

“The US military is funding development of a weapon that delivers a bout of excruciating pain from up to 2 kilometres away. Intended for use against rioters, it is meant to leave victims unharmed. But pain researchers are furious that work aimed at controlling pain has been used to develop a weapon. And they fear that the technology will be used for torture.”

To the ‘final’ employment of these weapons [3rd photo, left] we can also read:

“In January 2007, Theodore Barna, an assistant deputy undersecretary of defense for advanced systems and concepts told Reuters that "We expect the services to add it to their tool kit. And that could happen as early as 2010”.

Apparently the military is still unsure about ADS after all the tests. Air Force Secretary Michael Wynne didn't help clarify the issue when he suggested that the military should use the “pain ray” at crowds in the United States before deploying it in Iraq. It would be hard to imagine that Americans would be feeling okay about trying such weapons on themselves even if they believe they are not lethal.

Wagner suggested a new nickname for the weapon; the “death ray”, since it’s well-known that exposing mammals to microwaves make them explode. He sent an email all around the U.S. in which he used a live example to prove his theory.”

To the reason behind the CIA needing to assassinate Michael Jackson, these reports continue, was an out of court settlement the pop icon signed with son of the king of Bahrain, Sheikh Abdullah bin Hamad al-Khalifa, this past November in London, and which stated, in part, that in exchange for millions of dollars previously lent to Mr. Jackson by the Sheikh, Mr. Jackson would allow his sold-out United Kingdom concerts to be a “platform” for warning the World of a soon to occur mass genocide event.

Both Michael Jackson and Sheikh Abdullah bin Hamad al-Khalifa have been long standing supporters of the fearless Austrian investigative journalist, Jane Burgermeister, who is warning the world that the greatest crime in the history of humanity is underway, and as we can read:

“Jane Burgermeister has recently filed criminal charges with the FBI against the World Health Organization (WHO), the United Nations (UN), and several of the highest ranking government and corporate officials concerning bioterrorism and attempts to commit mass murder. She has also prepared an injunction against forced vaccination which is being filed in America. These actions follow her charges filed in April against Baxter AG and Avir Green Hills Biotechnology of Austria for producing contaminated bird flu vaccine, alleging this was a deliberate act to cause and profit from a pandemic.

In her charges, Burgermeister presents evidence of acts of bioterrorism that is in violation of U.S. law by a group operating within the U.S. under the direction of international bankers who control the Federal Reserve, as well as WHO, UN and NATO. This bioterrorism is for the purpose of carrying out a mass genocide against the U.S. population by use of a genetically engineered flu pandemic virus with the intent of causing death. This group has annexed high government offices in the U.S.

Specifically, evidence is presented that the defendants, Barack Obama, President of the U.S, David Nabarro, UN System Coordinator for Influenza, Margaret Chan, Director-General of WHO, Kathleen Sibelius, Secretary of Department of Health and Human Services, Janet Napolitano, Secretary of Department of Homeland Security, David de Rotschild, banker, David Rockefeller, banker, George Soros, banker, Werner Faymann, Chancellor of Austria, and Alois Stoger, Austrian Health Minister, among others, are part of this international corporate criminal syndicate which has developed, produced, stockpiled and employed biological weapons to eliminate the population of the U.S. and other countries for financial and political gain.

The charges contend that these defendants conspired with each other and others to devise, fund and participate in the final phase of the implementation of a covert international bioweapons program involving the pharmaceutical companies Baxter and Novartis. They did this by bioengineering and then releasing lethal biological agents, specifically the "bird flu" virus and the "swine flu virus" in order to have a pretext to implement a forced mass vaccination program which would be the means of administering a toxic biological agent to cause death and injury to the people of the U.S. This action is in direct violation of the Biological Weapons Anti-terrorism Act.”

Interesting to note, too, is on the day of Michael Jackson’s assassination, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that their mathematical models show over 1 million Americans have contracted swine flu and that of the 58,000 confirmed cases around the World the US has over half of them, and even worse, Emergency Containment Areas are now being reported being set up in that troubled country.

Sadly though, and with an acknowledgement that this World star had led a much troubled life, it can never be taken away from Michael Jackson the real love he had for all of humanity and best expressed by him in the chorus of his anthem to the human race, We Are The World:

Heal the world

Make it a better place

For you and for me and the entire human race

There are people dying

If you care enough for the living

Make a better place for

You and for me.

[Ed. Note: Western governments and their intelligence services actively campaign against the information found in these reports so as not to alarm their citizens about the many catastrophic Earth changes and events to come, a stance that the Sisters of Sorcha Faal strongly disagrees with in believing that it is every human beings right to know the truth. Due to our missions conflicts with that of those governments, the responses of their ‘agents’ against us has been a longstanding misinformation/misdirection campaign designed to discredit and which is addressed in the report “Who Is Sorcha Faal?”.]

Translation to Spanish by: Sister Maru Barraza, Mazatlán, Mexico

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Michael's Reasons to hoax his death / Theory that MJ had to go into hiding because of his fight against Bioterrorism

« on: August 04, 2021, 09:40:07 AM »

Ok, so I am looking through the old forums (MJHD & MJKIT) and I found a post that peaked my interest, certainly looking back, knowing what we know now and more so what is happening right now in the world. I'm just sharing it here to get a good discussion going. This was posted on MJKIT on September 7, 2009 by White_Orchid, read the original post here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

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MJ-Death Hoax Theory-MJ battles CIA & Illuminati
Long post merely scratches surface of Big MJ story.
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We all owe a debt of thanks to Jane Burgermeister. Jane was the whistleblower that 'SWINE FLU' was 'manufactured' in the labs.... and uncovered that the 'VACCINATION' may cause more harm to people than good. Jane, along with FBI, launched 'BIOTERRORISM' lawsuit against CIA/WHO (World Health Organization).
MJ supported Burgermeister and rumor was MJ woanted to use his O2 concerts as platform to WARN people about swine flu BIOTERRORISM....maybe the MJ dath Hoax is being used to get message out instead of stage...?of 'swine flu vaccination'.
Why BIOTERRORISM?
1) Eugenics-Hitler used Gas Chambers for ethic cleansing, today the goal is to REDUCE world population becuase too many people using too much stuff causes global warming which overburdens planet..so less people=less stuff/resources used=stable planet as per New World Order plan.
2) drug company BAXTER supplying global 'vaccination' would make a TON OF MONEY $$$$$
Who would want to kill people with BIOTERRORISM?
Full story beyond scope of this post but plenty documentation on net. Classic battle between good and evil. WHO (World Health Organization), drug company Baxter, CIA, NWO (New World Order), Illuminati, governments of countries around the world who will innoculate their populations with 'vaccination' without first open investigation of BIOTERRORISM versus Burgermeister, MJ, FBI,Pope Benedict.
MJ ostensibly planned to use his O2 concerts as platform to get message to world about 'swine flu eugenics'. Today, we only have clues....an endlessly repetetive rehersal footage of MJ/dancers 'goose stepping with straight arm Heil Hitler salute' singing "They Don't Care About Us'...was song chosen by MJ as anthem against 'swine flu eugenics'?
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Burgermeister has been fired from her job and has her own wesite if you want to contact her directly_http://www.theflucase.com/
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URL link to start your search about relationship between MJ/Burgermeister, WHO, NWO (new World Order) Illuminati, CIA,etc at URL_
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Google 'New World Order' for statements and position on 'global overpopulation'.
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On July 7/2009, global eyes turned to MJ Memorial and so not too much publicity on meeting between Pope and Barack Obama. Pope/Pres meeting was important and serious ...Pope messgae to Obama was global governments have social responsiblities to well being of all peoples...and charity a part of social responsibility. Euenics is not 'charitale' act so allusion to BIOTERRORISM clear. Pope used YouTube to get message out to global audience. Pope social encyclical is 21 Chapters, see Chapte 4 for relevance to charity/social responsibilty of governments__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzIW2A1UDDA&feature=PlayList&p=570AFA8F60C0BFB1&index=22
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Did MJ have to go into hiding because his life was in danger? E'Cas had terminal illness so was plan to utilize E'Cas death as cover-up? Did MJ 'unveil his kids to public because he knew that our public eye would protect his kids? Did Mrs. Jackson request 3rd autopsy because she 'knew' that dead body was not her son? Was Dr. Murray 'truth'message really an message to us from MJ via the doc?
Hoax has "list of doubles' _ie, 2 public services=memorial + funeral, 2 death certificates, etc etc. We don't have the 'why to the doubles' piece of puzzle yet.
Is MJ death hoax dragging on so long to purposely DISTRACT of from swine flu BIOTERRORISM? October/November is start of flu season....and the VACCINATION' is supposed to be 'READY' Be sure to educate yourself so youcan have an informative discussion with your doctor about the flu shot.
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Don't make mistake of overlooking importance of symbollism. Symbollism used to convey message and meaning since man's drew art on cave walls. MJ's lyrics were genius and rich with symbollism. Another 'double' clue that we were given was choice of MJ funeral picture from the BAD era. Then, we get pictures of MJ Dancers posed with MJ BAD picture. MJ BAD picture is clue and MJ BAD picture appearance is doubling.
Have you asked yourself why older MJ BAD picture chosen for display at MJ funeral?
I believe BAD pic chosen because BAD was based on theme of social injustice. MJ suffered many social injustices and manmade swine flu pandemic qualifies as worldly social injustice. Is there a micro/macro thing going on here?

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Post could go on for volumes so I leave you with fun game and suggestion to Google symbollism. Focus on MJ BAD pic_goto MJJ Pictures and consider 'full' BAD picture. Also, focus on weird funeral picture of 'smiling' MJ dancers' who are POSED with MJ BAD picture.
Initially, 'smiling MJ dancers' offended me which in turn 'twigged' me to look more closely as posed pictue itself seems to be another clue.MJ BAD pic is very simple composition but is RICH in symbollism which greatly enriches meaning.

Historic symbollism examples for those who don't have time toGoogle...or check out Google for sybollsim insights into colors of yellow, purple, white black+mourning, only text in pic is MJ beltbuckle spelling :'BAD'. Numbers are important to Freemasons, so Google signficance. BAD adds up to 13=a crucial Masonic number. Note 'cold empty fire instead of warm burning blaze suggesting dead/empty house, note painting over fireplace and stone/granite floors/walls signifying'secrets'(Illuminati/Freemasons), note flowers Irises and liles which are flowers of 'mourning'. Note 3 lilies tossed into cold stone hearthgate and 4 lilies cradled in MJ arms like royal scepture which signify transition between old and new traditions...old dead way is Masonic Illuminatis and new way is future of mankind free of Masonic skulldugery...3 is significant Masonic number so 3 lilies tossed into cold firehearth refers to death of Masons/Illuminati...4 liles in MJ arms refer to 4 corners of the globe_a new world free from control by Masons/Illuminati. etc, etc,etc.

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Finally, Music, movies and media have integral cultural 'influence' on society. MJ taught us improtance of not taking things at 'face value'. Instead, question things,become involved, be AWARE_use critical analysis when determining _perception versus reality_good versus evil_truth versus manipulation_information versus disinformation, etc'.
We are given an important clue in photo of smiling MJ dancers' posed in a curvy line 'like a snake' with last dancer completing circle by holding MJ BAD picture 'frame'.

Note double entendre with 'frame' reference as literal picture frame and allegorical reference to MJ 'framed' by bogus molestation charges, bankruptcy rumours, drug addiction,etc. 'Snake' analogy refers to 'dragon motifs' used on many MJ clothes....MJ destiny include dragonslayer....making the world a better place....starting with the man in the mirror..etc.

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The dancer holding the picture frame completes the circle like a SNAKE THAT SWALLOWS ITS OWN TAIL...an analogy to global political battles caused by death of western capitalism...governments resistance to change and desperation to hold onto the old ways (Masonic Illumonati) ony hurts us all...as MJ lyrics...lift yourself up,...and make the world a better place...our surival depends on everyone GETTING INVOLVED...quote says it better than me..."....Western liberalism is really under attack but its half-face friends are more dangerous thab its avowed enemies. When the snake finally swallows its tail we will depend on the true believers to throw off their lethargy and step into the void...." (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login)

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I believe that MJ lives...and believe the message is for us to pick up his reins and fight the good fight....our voices will be the impetus of change ...and maybe then MJ can safely return to us...
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