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General Hoax Talk / Just a random question

« on: May 18, 2010, 03:02:01 AM »

this really has nothing to do with the hoax and more about my curiosity...

how come michael never wore his wedding ring when he was married to lisa marie? she wore hers (i've seen in pictures), but he didn't wear his. in fact, i think the only time i've seen the ring on him was in the "Blood on the Dancefloor" video. was it because he didn't want to upset his girl fans?

just wondering, thanks =]

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Other Odd Things / Whilst browsing...

« on: May 14, 2010, 03:59:04 AM »

so my finals are coming up, hence my extreme need to procrastinate the inevitable. i stumbled across this site...it had a TON of info (very detailed may i add) that i honestly didn't know about. you guys may already
know some of the stuff, but in case you didn't here you go:

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now this site goes back (i stumbled across it posting in the 08s). remember how we've been told to go back in order to see now (or the future)? well here's just a few things that caught my eye. if you have time, i suggest you browse through this. ironically, this closed may 25, 2009. the person who was blogging opened up a "small blog" a mere 7 days before michael "died."

Michael Jackson and Children Attend Costume Party
Yesterday, October 29, 2008, Michael Jackson and his three children attended a costume party. Prince had on a costume from "V for Vendetta", Paris was dressed up in a butterfly mask, and Blanket was the grim reaper. Michael Jackson was wearing a conservative outfit and signed autographs for the fans that had gathered. This marks the fourth photographed appearance by Michael Jackson in the past week after months of obscurity.
please note the children's costumes. v for vendetta= justice, butterfly=rebirth, grim reaper= death. the last halloween he was publicly with his children. NOT a coincidence

This interview was with Corbin Bleu and how he met michael. this is to dispel the frail rumors.
Jimmy Kimmel: Where did you meet him?
Corbin Bleu: Kenny Ortega, director of High School Musical, has done Michael's tour numerous times; he's worked on music videos. And, it was--he actually came to the High School Musical concert in Los Angeles.
Jimmy Kimmel: Michael Jackson?
Corbin Bleu: Michael Jackson came to the High School Musical concert.
Jimmy Kimmel: Really?
Corbin Bleu: With his kids. His kids are huge fans, go figure.
Jimmy Kimmel: Wow.
Corbin Bleu: And, he actually came to the backstage, and you know of course all these huge bodyguards come in and they check the surrounding and make sure there's no cameras. And then Michael walks in, he's got these big shades on. And, I mean, he's so cool. He's a guy, that's first of all. He's a dude... Most people, if you see him, a lot of people think of him as you know, more of a frail kind of person. Dude walks in, he's a big guy, he's got a strong handshake.
Jimmy Kimmel: Really?
Corbin Bleu: Yeah. He's very much of a, you know, he's a dude... The crazy part was that afterwards, we had to do the show, knowing that he's sitting right there. And we could see him. And my bit in the show is almost an entire homage to him. I mean, between the outfit, I pop up on the stage, a lot of the moves. I'm sitting up here going, "Michael Jackson's watching me dance right now!" I mean, it was just one of the most surreal moments of my life. But I grew up being so inspired by him, and loving him. I love his work.
Jimmy Kimmel: See, if that was me and my kids and you were doing like my moves, I'd be going, "That's mine. I did that. He stole that from me. You know that right? Okay." And we'd keep going, but that's how I work.


Does anyone know who Joby Rogers is? Apparently he is/was michael's "official subsitute." Seems like a nice guy. excerpt from an interview:
MJJR.net Interviews Joby Rogers
October 22, 2008

MJJR.net: At one point, you received a signed document by Michael Jackson which named you as his "official substitute" after evaluating the work of more than 100 impersonators. How did this endorsement come about and what's the story behind it?
Joby Rogers: I was submitted along with many other impersonators for a chance to make an appearance as Michael in NYC. I was informed that Michael himself would be making the final decision. I received a signed letter from Michael stating the following: "I, Michael Jackson, have been fully furnished by both my team and the team of Mr. Valentine (CTA) with pictures, video and sound samples. After viewing one hundred sixteen different (116) possible substitutes, it is the decision I, Michael Jackson, have made to have Mr. Joby Rogers affiliated with Concept West Agency located in Nevada to be my official substitute."
MJJR.net: Some impersonators will do anything for financial gain. Edward Moss, for instance, has parodied Michael Jackson on a variety of negative outlets including the Scary Movie franchise, Date Movie, Mad TV skits, and more. In the past, you've stated that you would not accept any offer which was demeaning towards Michael. What are your thoughts on the impersonators who jump at all opportunities, regardless of their context?
Joby Rogers: I'm really cautious when it comes to doing appearances as "Michael Jackson". I prefer to make appearances as Michael in performance settings. I was actually offered the Edward Moss part in "Scary Movie 3" in the Spring of 2003. Miramax Films and I communicated for weeks about what it was exactly they wanted me to do. I turned them down when they refused to give me the details of the scene I was to portray Michael in. When I finally saw the scene that Moss participated in I was relieved that I had given up the part. I do not believe in adding to the negative media surrounding Michael. In 2005 I was interviewed by local, national and international media about the recent trial surrounding Michael Jackson and it's effect on the business of impersonating. I went on record declaring my belief that Michael Jackson was innocent and would be verified as such. If there is one thing that Michael is guilty of, it's trusting the wrong people. When you have the kind of money that Michael has, friends are not on your payroll. The one constant fact I've learned during my 20 plus years in Show Business is this: "The answer to 9 out of 10 questions is 'Money'." I had the pleasure of talking with Aphrodite Jones, a best selling crime novelist who covered the 2005 trial directly from the courtroom. At the onset of the trial she too was part of the negative media attacks. As the trial went on and all the facts were presented she left the one year ordeal with a completely different outlook on Michael. She was convinced without a doubt of his innocence. In retrospect the media reported very little about the facts presented in the trial and more on the pajamas Michael wore or what his prison uniform might look like. Which explains why so may people were shocked when Michael was acquitted. If the public was presented with the facts instead of tabloid news coverage they would have not been so surprised at fourteen (14) the not guilty verdicts.

This picture is on pg 10. It's dated November 11 2008. This is what is written:
"You make me sooo happy. I can feel your energy through the walls. The sky is the limit. Higher consciousness always. Working hard, as always. Music, film, performance. I love you. Michael Jackson." (Nov. 11 2008)
my question is....does he mean in that order? music- "this is it," film- "TII," performance=comeback? but FILM was thrown in there.
[attachment=0:6m03ew6j]20081112LetterB.jpg[/attachment:6m03ew6j]


Page 10 also has a picture going through a KFC drive thru on Halloween night. (ha ha)
 Page 8 talks about about T-pain collaborated with michael for his new album (what?!). Page 8 also has 2 pics of inside the Holmby Hills house.

lastly, this was obviously posted before TII. this was the "rumored" set list apparently leaked by the Daily Mirror. tabloid, i know. but i think the second half of the song choices are rather interesting :
Billie Jean
Wanna Be Startin' Something
Rock With You
The Way You Make Me Feel
Don't Stop Till You Get Enough
I Just Can't Stop Loving You
Human Nature
Smooth Criminal
Girlfriend

Man in the Mirror
Beat It
One Day in Your Life
Heal the World
You Are Not Alone
Remember The Time
Thriller


man in the mirror=reflection, beat it= a fight, one day in your life ( i didn't know the song, lyrics are good: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login), heal the world= what we need to do, you are not alone= he hasn't left us this entire hoax, remember the time= we're getting articles going back to june 25th, thriller= resurrection
[i could be completely whacked out on this. it just seemed to FIT]

sorry for the long post. and sorry if the info has already been shared. i just haven't seen it, so i thought i'd spread the love. if we want to look forward, we have to look at the past. this hoax is HUGE. it's been going on for a while, we've just been blind.

eyes open folks.

much love.

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Kenny Ortega / Was Michael Involved with Kenny Ortega before?

« on: April 28, 2010, 01:35:20 AM »

so you know how you get on youtube and you watch one video and then that leads to another and then another...yeah well on my random quest of michael videos, i stumbled across this beauty.

i know the sound is off, but that's not really the point. this has to be before 2000 because the speaker is talking about michael doing a benefit concert with other artists "before the millennium."  what's interesting is that the speaker says one of his partners is kenny ortega. now, this may be a different kenny ortega than the one who "directed" TII, but who knows. listen at .08

[youtube:j10ib3v2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uM7L5GMgiEM&feature=related[/youtube:j10ib3v2]


you know, a lot of people believe this hoax has been planned for many years. maybe michael picked out his "director" before 2000?

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Hoax Videos / Haven't you always wondered...

« on: March 26, 2010, 01:10:32 AM »

who is in the back seat?!
i know this could be considered "old news"...but as far as i'm concerned, any evidence -whether it was back in june or now- that helps with this hoax is good. i was browsing youtube looking at "michael jackson alive" videos (i have a life, i swear) and i came across this...
[youtube:3vaqttkr]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLdzEL25vPI&feature=related[/youtube:3vaqttkr]

i, for one, have always wondered who was in the back seat of the car. you can CLEARLY see that there's a person in the back as they drive in. and then, obviously, there's someone in the backseat when they leave. i have never seen a video as clear as this one, and it really does look like someone wearing sunglasses and a mask. what do you guys think??

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The Illuminati Theory / "Moonwalker" Clues?-Leave Me Alone/Smooth Criminal

« on: March 20, 2010, 04:40:47 AM »

i just watched moonwalker -gasp- for the first time. Now i'm still 50/50 on this illuminati thing, but i did find some things very, very interesting. Now, for a recap, "Moonwalker" was the movie that was released to coincide with michael's "Bad Tour." This is about the time (it's been speculated) that michael broke free (or woke up) from the illuminati stronghold. Now, "Leave Me Alone" had TONS of symbolism in it. I picked up on a few (i'm new to this whole "spot the illuminati symbol" game).

Background: the "Leave Me Alone" video seems to be about all of the tabloid crap that michael had to deal with. The next few images show michael's love for liz taylor- of course the media took it in a strictly sexual love, and not how michael actually felt- love for a friend. Notice the pyramid before you enter the "shrine to elizabeth taylor"....[attachment=3:3ibx3l35]Clipboard01.jpg[/attachment:3ibx3l35]

then inside the "shrine" notice there are 2 pyramids...on pillars...[attachment=2:3ibx3l35]Clipboard03.jpg[/attachment:3ibx3l35]

then, you see that you were actually inside michael's head (mind control? something/someone messing with him in his head?)[attachment=1:3ibx3l35]Clipboard04.jpg[/attachment:3ibx3l35]

then you see michael break free from the amusement park that has been created around him...(perhaps showing that he wants to be free from "michael jackson" they created and wants to be himself?)[attachment=0:3ibx3l35]Clipboard05.jpg[/attachment:3ibx3l35]


then, following the music video leads into "Smooth Criminal." Within the first few seconds, michael, wearing the infamous striped suit, gets shot at by a large amount of machine guns. the viewer is left to assume the worst (death). the next scene michael and his friends are in sort of a paradise/heavenly area (It looks like Neverland? There are some on here who suspect he is there now- concrete, security guards, 2 helicopters seen there, etc). but then after that, you see michael wasn't hit- he changes into a black suit with, of course, a fedora (HAT MAN?). he continues to be chased by the bad guys (illuminati?) and by his friend katie- who keeps screaming "michael" (um..how many of us have posted "MICHAELLLL"- i'm guilty). he finally confronts the bad guys, turning into a robot (lightman?) and then taking off in a spaceship, leaving his friends to think he's never coming back. Well, he does! And then he takes them down a corridor...and guess where it ends...THE STAGE. And michael sings "come together" (beatles catalog anyone?).

i'm not saying michael had this entire hoax planned out in the 80s. i think this hoax is very intricate, but i don't think it's taken 20+ years to create. do i think he was thinking about something like a hoax (and not planning it-yet)? yes. The similarities between "Moonwalker" and what is going on now is really amazing. I think there's a ton of symbolism in it, but you have to have your eyes open to see it. i think when michael put out a movie, music video, or song, there was a reason behind it. There's a message in "Moonwalker." I definitely take it as a sign. does the illuminati exist? is michael trying to tell us something? hm, eyes are slowly opening up.

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Messages to Michael / Paging Michael Jackson

« on: March 17, 2010, 02:07:30 AM »

Dear Michael,

Okay, sir, look. Things are getting a little heavy. I am definitely not complaining about the amount of clues we're getting. March seems to be the busiest month. However, you have got to understand that these clues are flying us everywhere. The Sony deal, Jermaine's loose mouth, the Jackson 5 tweets (to name a few) are throwing us in different directions.

Please understand, we are trying. We're trying to understand your purpose for it. We've got our eyes and ears open and are taking in everything that's being given to us- all around the world. We are here.

I'm not asking for you to return right now. I know you got your plans and your business to do. I respect it, I truly do. I'm not going anywhere and I am not giving you a time line to return. I know this is your game, we'll play it according to your rules. But, PLEASE help us understand these clues (specifically the Sony deal). Please Michael. We've got people who think it's a bad thing while others think it's a joke. Personally, I don't know what the hell is going on.

I'm not looking for answers (you'll give them when you're ready), I'm looking for direction.

We love and miss you very, very much. I'm sure you know that. I hope you don't feel lonely. You've got women on this forum from 13 to 60 all wanting your fine bod. And this is true, die hard love Michael. It's not fake, it's as pure as you can get (okay, minus our obsession with the gold pants-i'm guilty too :oops: ).

We want to help you with this, so please help us.

Love you always and forever, boy.

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Other Odd Things / An Open Letter to Michael....

« on: March 01, 2010, 12:50:20 AM »

Okay, so this technically has nothing to do with the hoax (meaning I have no evidence or suspicious finds to share). So I apologize in advance!!

Somebody mentioned in one of the topics that they wanted to send a letter to Michael at Neverland. I think this is an excellent idea. However, I strongly, strongly believe that either Michael himself or someone very close to him checks this forum. (I mean, seriously, the work on here is beyond impressive.)

So, I propose we write letters in this topic, as if we were speaking directly to him. Who knows...maybe we'll get answers/ specific responses to our words here on his impending "BAMsday."

Here I begin with mine....



Dear Michael,

These last 7 going on 8 months have been hard without you. The phrase, "You never know what you have until it's gone," takes on a whole new meaning with your absence. You mean a lot of things to a lot of different people. To me though, you've always been just a decent, genuine human being. It's hard for us fans to really grasp that you are actually just like us. I think it's a combination of your voice that can cause goosebumps and convey messages people don't even realize, your selfless giving, your unconditional and unmeasurable love for your fans....and your sexiness on stage....that makes it hard to NOT think of you as a sort of holy legend. We don't get many of those throughout history, and THANK GOD I'm alive to witness you.

I hope wherever you are and whatever you're doing, you are filled with peace, love and relaxation. You gave so much of yourself for so many damn years. I could only utter "Thank You" for the rest of my life, and it still wouldn't be enough. To say you've been treated unfairly is a gross understatement. Finally, when people speak of Michael Jackson, they recognize you for the extraordinary person you truly are.

Whether you decide to come back to us or not, just know that this girl wants only happiness for you. You said numerous times that you were lonely...well Michael, we're here. I'm here. I'll love and support you to the very end (even when it's not really the "final curtain call" ).