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« on: August 31, 2010, 05:11:50 PM »
You don't worry about me.....oh im sorry, nobody wasn't talking to YOU in the first place :roll: It's maybe not my place to say this, but this is an ARMY OF LOVE you have joined here. It's sickening and disappointing, to say the least, to see these arguments taking place. I hope Michael doesn't see this. It's definitely not the kind of support he needs right now. :cry:
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« on: August 29, 2010, 03:41:45 PM »
I am speechless, speechless
That's how you make me feel
Though I'm with you I am far away and nothing is for real
When I'm with you I am lost for words, I don't know what to say.....
Happy Birthday Michael.....It's all for L.O.V.E.!!
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« on: August 26, 2010, 11:14:47 AM »
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9 minutes ago by TMZ Staff
A woman in Coventry, England was caught by a surveillance camera petting a stray kitten ... and then tossing it in a garbage can.
[youtube:1qh1pic3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FObxOfwAvF0&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:1qh1pic3]
Word is the cat was found 15 hours later in good shape. Let's hope they catch the crazy woman.
WTF is this doing on top of the TMZ page??? :? I've only just seen this but my interpretation is that the cat was loved (petted), then thrown in with the garbage........ but despite all that WORD IS the cat was found in GOOD SHAPE!!! Sounds like it could apply to Michael to me :lol: :lol: :lol:
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« on: August 26, 2010, 11:02:54 AM »
something is just around the corner? I agree. I don't "get" this redirect as we've already covered the house coincidence thing. The phrase "......you never know what's just around the corner" springs to mind.
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« on: August 26, 2010, 10:58:56 AM »
I parked right in front of Elvis' home on 144 Monovale Drive on 6/25/10 n I had no idea Elvis used to live there. There was definitely some strange activity goin on in that house. I wish I would have known, I would have payed alot more attention to what was goin on. Interesting! What do you mean by "strange activity"?
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« on: August 26, 2010, 10:53:00 AM »
The story was that Lisa, right after the funeral, was taken by the mother and by the bodyguard of the karate fella that she was then engaged to, and took her to Europe to leave her there with Gladys Presley's cousin until she grew up, because there were a lot of death threats Elvis was getting and kidnap threats towards Lisa She said I'm not wanting to sue or anything for money, but I want to know why they left me there and never came back for me, why mother did that. I don't understand this. Why would Priscilla take Lisa Marie to Europe for safety, which would indicate she was afraid for her life (Lisa's) and then just abandon her. :shock: Also... She was frightened of all things by the Church of Scientology. Scientology, which Priscilla and Michael's former wife were both heavily involved with...she was fearful for herself and her children. She had two daughters. She didn't want to do it. Finally she agreed to and Fox said we want to do an investigation and see if this girl's a phony first. We'll have our investigative reporters do a routine deal, and so they did. They called me back from New York and said we definitely want to do it because this girl checks out. We found out that she has money being sent to her by Graceland. It goes to Japan. Their name is laundered off of it and then it's sent to her in Upsila, Sweden. The girl lived like a queen. She never worked. Her husband never worked. He said furthermore, we checked the lady that's supposed to be her mother there in Upsila and we found from her medical records; I don't know how the newspaper found all of this stuff; that she had had an operation to where she couldn't have children before the age that Lisa would've been born...that she physically could not be her mother. So, they wanted to do it. We had it all set up and they were gonna pay my way over and then a bizarre thing happened. Lisa's fears were evidently well-founded because she called me up in tears and said my closest friend, who is the god-mother for my children, was brutally murdered and her body parts were scattered around on the playground where my children go to school...a private school. She said I don't want to do the interview. She said we're moving to another location and I'll get back to you later. She sent me the Swedish newspaper which verified what she had said. :shock: :shock: Is this story about the god-mother true?? Does anyone in Sweden know of this?? (I am moving house so I don't have time to check.....also missing out on a lot of hoax news recently :cry: :cry: ) If she is afraid of the Church of Scientology, it sounds as though, if it's true, she is suggesting that they murdered the god-mother of her children!! Bizarre is an understatement here. Personally, I don't believe the story about a Lisa Marie double. I read the other thread and although the girl looks like Elvis, the Lisa Marie we know looks more like a combination of Elvis and Priscilla, as you would expect. Also, Lisa Marie as a child looks identical to Riley as a child. You are not allowed to view links.
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Register or LoginI wanted to post a couple of photos here, but I don't know how to do that. There's one of Elvis with Lisa Marie as a toddler and another of Lisa Marie with Riley at about the same age or maybe just a bit older. They look identical.
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« on: August 19, 2010, 07:10:39 AM »
I am not sure to have understood correctly, this jargon is indeed difficult to comprehend for me too (in english moreover) all I understand is that Lisa Marie Presley is making an action (summary judgement). What I have always in mind is that LMP simply had to give her DNA if she was so sure that Eliza is not Elvis' half-sister and easily prove it. She could have done it before..
"A party moving (applying) for summary judgment is attempting to eliminate its risk of losing at trial, and possibly avoid having to go through discovery, by demonstrating to the judge, by sworn statements and documentary evidence, that there are no material issues of fact remaining to be tried. "
This paragraph is bugging me...does it mean that a kind of "agreement" is possible ?
I think that there is something else behind this action. The timing is not random.
No agreement.
LMP is trying to have the judge decide that there isn't enough evidence or the evidence that Eliza has supplied isn't enough to support Eliza's claims and therefore the case doesn't warrant a trial.
Eliza can appeal the application for a summary judgment before the judge even looks at the case but she can also do nothing at this point.
In essence LMP is claiming insufficient evidence (or some other aspect of faulty evidence, countering evidence etc) to require a trial and asking the judge to dismiss the case before it ever gets to trial.
1.The judge can decide in favour of LMP's motion and dismiss the case.
2. LMP risks losing the case right here; the judge could decide that there is enough evidence in favour of Eliza's case and no trial is required.
3. The judge can also decide that the case should go to trial.
If the judge decides on a summary judgment in favour of LMP, Eliza can appeal that and again have her case heard at trial.
If the judge decides against LMP in a summary judgment and goes to trial, then this gives LMP grounds for an appeal AFTER the trial has occurred and a judgment has been given in the trial.
Or the judge could decide to deny the motion for a summary judgment and then go to trial.
Before there is a trial though, there are more steps that would have to be done (discovery, preliminary hearings maybe), asking for a summary judgment is a way of speeding things up and keeping costs down. It is asking the judge to decide the case without all the in-between steps to get to trial. It is now up to the judge where this is headed.
This whole thing could be going on for a while yet.
Thanks for this explanation in "layman's" English....it's much clearer now!!
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« on: August 18, 2010, 01:59:56 PM »
The original numerology post has now reappeared on Linda's website along with some more interesting revelations about "999" with the following explanation: MONDAY, AUGUST 16, 2010
On Sunday, August 8, 2010 I posted an article which I only left on my site for a very short time...just a matter of hours. I then removed it for personal reasons. I have decided to now publish it again:You are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login....personal reasons.....hmm!!!
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« on: August 18, 2010, 05:56:31 AM »
I take this as meaning that the media will talk about elvisandmj.com as soon as Eliza is declared a legal heir of Vernon (assuming nobody objects). I believe the date of the judgement is September 20th right?
The Judge is scheduled to rule on the Motion by September 10, 2010. Because no opposition is expected, Eliza's request will likely be granted and an order should be entered legally recognizing her as the heir to Vernon Presley.
This is the date provided on the Probate Lawyer Blog, but since LMP is contesting maybe there will be a delay?
i see this redirect as TS's reassurance that we can at least count on good ol' TMZ in breaking the news on Eliza 
Where did you find information that LMP will contest?? I must have missed that part. :?
I read it in the TIAI 17/8 thread, here's the link to Mo's post about it:
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Interesting that this was filed on 8/16, the 33rd anniversary of Elvis's "death". Does anyone know what the entries on this docket report actually mean? .......any lawyers out there?!! :geek:
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« on: August 17, 2010, 04:14:52 PM »
this eliza elvis thing has really been bugging me and after thinking about it for a while isnt it possible that eliza could be vernons brother vesters child. i mean vernon and vester married two sisters gladys and clettes. and didnt eliza mother say that vernon was not her father so maybe her dad is vester. wouldnt that still give her that same dna match? could someone please answer that.
I don't think the DNA results would be the same. However, that's not the point. I think a lot of questions that are still being asked would be answered by going back to TIAI Update #6: Michael and Elvis, DOuble-Bam This Summer or You are not allowed to view links.
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Eliza has a DNA sample from a person by the name of Jesse Presley. This DNA sample proves that Eliza and Jesse are half siblings and Jesse in turn is biologically related to the known cousins on both sides of the family tree to Elvis Presley. Because Elvis never had any full siblings (other than a twin, Jessie, who was stillborn), no one else could match cousins on both sides but Elvis himself. ... Eliza also sent the results to another independent DNA company to verify the results. The lab owner, Dr. Donald Yates, said publicly that the DNA supported Eliza’s claim and that Jesse had to be Elvis. And yes, he said, this means that Elvis is alive..........And now we can be certain that Elvis did fake his death, which means that we can also be certain that MJ faked his death!
Read TIAI Update #6: Michael and Elvis, DOuble-Bam This Summer again.....the answers are all there!!!
first of all im not doubting that elvis faked his death i came to that conclusion years ago long before ts ever even wrote anything about it. and i also did not need ts to come to the conclusion that michael had faked his death as well. my problem is with this eliza person who is trying her best to make people believe that she is elvis sister. i was just thinking that since lisa marie wont give up her dna its because she doesnt need to because she knows that this jesse and eliza are not vernons children and instead they are his brothers kids.
Why would Lisa Marie want Eliza to be legally recognized as the heir to Vernon Presley and therefor legally recognized as the biological daughter of Vernon Elvis Presley if to her knowledge Jesse and Eliza are children of Vernon's bother..? Can you give me one good reason for that?
i think you may need to reread what i wrote. i never said that lisa marie wanted eliza to be reconized as the heir to vernnon presley.what i said was that maybe jesse and eliza are the heir to vester not vernon and thats why lisa wont give up her dna.
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i was just thinking that since lisa marie wont give up her dna its because she doesnt need to because she knows that this jesse and eliza are not vernons children and instead they are his brothers kids.
In case this would be the true, then Lisa Marie still APPROVES Eliza being legally recognized as the heir to Vernon Presley by willingly not providing DNA to prove the opposite. So my question still stands: Can you give me one good reason for that?
just because lisa marie wont provide dna does not mean that she approves. maybe she knows that the court will prove that eliza is not vernons child.
I really think you will need to READ again. A Motion for Default Judgment was filed, asking the Chauncery Court in Tennessee to enter a default judgment on Eliza's Complaint to Determine Parentage and Heirship against Lisa Marie Presley and all other surviving or unknown heirs of Vernon Presley.
Elize PROVED that she is Vernon's daughter, the court has absolutely NO obligation to prove that she is not Vernon's daughter, nor will or can the court prove that she is not his daughter.
well maybe you know something that noone else knows but the last i heard/read that eliza is tryng to find out if vernon is her father and it has not been proven yet. but if you can show me somewhere where it says that vernon is definitely elizas father then please do. and if you can provide that then tell me why are they talking about exhuming vernons body?
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this still does not prove that eliza is vernons child. like i said before she wont know until they exhume the body of vernon. now maybe you should try and reread all of it again to get a better understanding.
"The truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time but it ain't goin' away"......Elvis Presley
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« on: August 17, 2010, 11:22:12 AM »
this eliza elvis thing has really been bugging me and after thinking about it for a while isnt it possible that eliza could be vernons brother vesters child. i mean vernon and vester married two sisters gladys and clettes. and didnt eliza mother say that vernon was not her father so maybe her dad is vester. wouldnt that still give her that same dna match? could someone please answer that. I don't think the DNA results would be the same. However, that's not the point. I think a lot of questions that are still being asked would be answered by going back to TIAI Update #6: Michael and Elvis, DOuble-Bam This Summer or You are not allowed to view links.
Register or Login. Eliza has a DNA sample from a person by the name of Jesse Presley. This DNA sample proves that Eliza and Jesse are half siblings and Jesse in turn is biologically related to the known cousins on both sides of the family tree to Elvis Presley. Because Elvis never had any full siblings (other than a twin, Jessie, who was stillborn), no one else could match cousins on both sides but Elvis himself. ... Eliza also sent the results to another independent DNA company to verify the results. The lab owner, Dr. Donald Yates, said publicly that the DNA supported Eliza’s claim and that Jesse had to be Elvis. And yes, he said, this means that Elvis is alive..........And now we can be certain that Elvis did fake his death, which means that we can also be certain that MJ faked his death! Read TIAI Update #6: Michael and Elvis, DOuble-Bam This Summer again.....the answers are all there!!!
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« on: August 17, 2010, 10:31:06 AM »
Many of you said LMP was in the hoax (i don't remember whose blog was it but someone posted an analysis of something LMP said about The Scenario & how Michael didn't want to end up like Elvis), the sunflowers and so on, yet she didn't agree to give a DNA sample when Eliza asked..that could have proved that "Jesse" was maybe not Elvis, but someone close to the family.
Where does LMP stand now and why didn't she give the sample? Is she then out of the hoax? Isn't she aware of Michael's hoax anymore?
You're always changing the stories to support your theories.
I won't be posting but i'll be waiting for your answers. Surely the fact that LMP didn't give a DNA sample means that she is fully aware of both hoaxes and that both her father, Elvis and MJ are both alive!!
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« on: August 17, 2010, 10:01:33 AM »
As far as I know there's not going to be another hearing in this case, as a Motion for Default Judgment was filed on August 6.
On August 6, 2010, Eliza's attorney filed a Motion for Default Judgment, asking the Chauncery Court in Tennessee to enter a default judgment on her Complaint to Determine Parentage and Heirship against Lisa Marie Presley and all other surviving or unknown heirs of Vernon Presley.
If I understand the Tennessee law about this correct it means that if no one opposes, Eliza's request will automatically be granted and an order should be entered legally recognizing her as the heir to Vernon Presley.
Since Lisa Marie Presley and other unknown heirs have not opposed previously, it's unlikely that someone will oppose now.[/b]
Thanks Mo. It's clearer to me now. So the "victory", the bam, seems to be 100% sure because as you say nobody is likely to make an opposition now, they had the opportunity to do so before. I feel like the Presley family knows that Eliza is well Elvis' half-sister.
According to The Probate Lawyer Blog "........ .The Judge is scheduled to rule on the Motion by September 10, 2010. Because no opposition is expected, Eliza's request will likely be granted and an order should be entered legally recognizing her as the heir to Vernon Presley" I'm assuming that he won't rule until then as someone may oppose at the last minute, but does this mean we have a potential "victory" on 9/9/10? 
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« on: August 17, 2010, 05:28:21 AM »
Would someone be able to please do a side-by-side photo of the handwriting sample from the TMZ article and of Jesse/Elvis writing? I don't know how. ![]()
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and to throw in MJ's, a mix of caps and cursive:
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Thanks JukeBox!
I'm not a handwriting expert but the capital "E" at the beginning of the letter to Linda and the "E" when Elvis initials his poem looks quite similar. Also the slant of the writing looks very similar. Can't tell for sure since one is in caps and the other is in cursive...but looks like it's written by the same hand!
It's already been established by a certified graphologist that Jesse's and Elvis's handwriting match, and that she would testify in court under oath that "Elvis has to be ALIVE, the handwriting is UNMISTAKABLE". You are not allowed to view links.
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« on: August 14, 2010, 04:07:04 PM »
It seems to me that TS’s recent redirects are trying to tell us something more about the connection between Elvis and MJ, not to try and convince skeptics, but because it’s important for us to be aware of this.
Up until now we have established and believe that MJ studied the master and copied Elvis’s fake death possibly with the help of further information from LMP.
However, the last few redirects are showing us that there is more to the relationship than that, and, as Angel wrote, it “is far stronger than any of us imagined”.
I think the redirects have demonstrated that MJ knew Elvis very well. They met whilst The Jackson 5 were performing in Las Vegas and Elvis brought Lisa Marie to see the show. Following MJ’s marriage to Lisa Marie, it’s not inconceivable that he and Elvis developed a close relationship (they appear to have a lot in common!). If MJ started planning his hoax in or around 1998, maybe Elvis was there with him, helping him from the very beginning, perhaps even without the knowledge of Lisa Marie, which would explain her shock and surprise when MJ “died”. Judging by her Myspace blog, I think this was genuine and she was probably only made aware of the hoax later.
Having lived just “across the road”, it could well be that Elvis knew something about the property on Carolwood Drive. Perhaps it has underground “Vaults”, passages or excape tunnels??!! There have certainly been a lot of references to "Michael Jackson's Secret Vault" on TMZ recently.
Who knows, Elvis is in “hiding" somewhere, living his life as Jesse away from the public eye, and is obviously an expert at avoiding attention. MJ could very well be with him, and they are coming to the final leg of their “Incredible Journey” together…..or maybe just embarking on a new “Incredible Journey”!!
Good thoughts, but since there is no recent info about Elvis & MJ, it's hard to think about what they might have discussed, it's all speculation.
I think there IS more to it, but how are we going to figure that out?
Could be that CD has underground spaces, maybe that is why the house is extra guarded now. But the one in Bel Air has a Bat Cave. He could have built a batcave at Neverland with all the concrete that was delivered there, he could be at Hayvehurst Avenue. He could be my next door naighbour that I never see. And that's not important, because it's not the purpose that we find him.
There must be more with the Elvis connection, but I still can't put my finger on it...
I agree with you, there has to be more to it. TS isn't going over old ground, telling us what we already know about this connection; he is trying to point out something that we don't know......yet! I realise it's not important to know where MJ is, but it's just an intriguing thought, picturing them together huddled over a computer plotting the next move!!!
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